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Ok. Opening myself up for abuse here but I don't get why re-introducing Grammar Schools is wrong? Surely the cleverest shouldn't be held back to fit in with the majority? Bringing all the other schools up to the same standard is impossible to do, no matter what the well meaning want. |
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I think it's worth trying, I also happen to agree that the brightest should be pushed more and given free top level education and university!.
That doesn't mean less bright people should be thrown to the wolves but that it might be separate paths |
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Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things |
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Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question... |
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I don't think people were said to have 'failed' their 11+. That is something that the anti- Grammar brigade have added as a way of de-valuing a system that worked very well. Indeed versions of the 11+ are still in use in some counties.
The exam was a way of streaming people leaving Primary schools into their next Secondary school and Post WWII there were actually three choices. Sadly many of the 'Technical Schools' were never built or took on a different role hence some were called 'Secondary Modern'. And many very skilled engineers, tradesmen and apprentices for all industries were well served by those schools. Many children in Secondary Moderns were streamed into Grammars after a couple of years as late developers. Grammars were for more academically minded pupils who would flourish in that environment and the GCE 'O' level exam standards of those days proves the point! GCE 'O' Level were taken by all children if they chose to although Secondary Moderns used 'CSE' exams.
The 1980s saw a levelling down rather than a levelling up as the two systems were merged into 'GCSE'.
Comprehensives have been around since WWII but were really pushed as the 'leveller' system by Labour and the Lefties. Sadly they levelled down not up. |
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Great idea...in principle, however the reality is middle class plummy mummies paying to have their (academically limited)kids coached through the Kent test and hoovering up the grammar places at the expense of those less socially mobile. |
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The problem is the current system leaves a lot of children on the scrapheap , i should know im one of them left school with very few qualifications at least under the old system i would have learnt a trade
We really need to accept that not every child is studious enough for ca levels and uni |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The problem is the current system leaves a lot of children on the scrapheap , i should know im one of them left school with very few qualifications at least under the old system i would have learnt a trade
We really need to accept that not every child is studious enough for ca levels and uni "
That is a very good post but so un PC, why oh why do the media et al think that those that work with their hands are less valuable than those with a lot of qualifications, we need more with proper skills that generate gdp not more pen pushers that just push it about |
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I never quite understand why the lefties always try to stigmatise private education ( Tory toffs etc.) Yet they are the first to complain about grammar schools, which were the open door to excellence for kids from a less privileged background.
Many people say that the British education system falls way behind say Germany. However Germany has the equivalent of grammar schools.
So make your bloody minds up. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question..."
The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The problem is the current system leaves a lot of children on the scrapheap , i should know im one of them left school with very few qualifications at least under the old system i would have learnt a trade
We really need to accept that not every child is studious enough for ca levels and uni "
And yet the changes and money that will go into the new system is aimed purely at those children who will go on to A Levels and Uni. This isn't about helping vocational education in the slightest. |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure."
I am curious to know why you view not going to a Grammar school means being a failure? My opening post and follow up both said that I thought encouraging the cleverest was a good thing but that the rest of us deserve a good quality education as well. Whether that be academic or professional. I left school with 6 gcses. I then got a job and put myself through evening classes to get a professional qualification. I'm doing OK now, but sadly I have had to limit myself to just the three Ferraris |
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The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure."
Are you saying that by having Grammar School's the system's telling 80% of children they are a failure ?
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The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure.
Are you saying that by having Grammar School's the system's telling 80% of children they are a failure ?
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by that reasoning at the moment the system tells 100% of children they are a failure |
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things"
Lefties love comprehensive schools because they don't send their children to them. Socialism is about what happens to other people's children. |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question..."
I disagree.
School is basically a glorified baby sitting service with actual education ranking about 3rd or 4th in its objectives.
It's problems are nothing to do with funding. It's problems are that there are ~180,000 "dysfunctional families" in this country who breed chaos. They send their malnourished, ill-disciplined little bundles of joy to school where they proceed to disrupt everyone else's education. Ultimately, the teacher has no way to prevent or control this, they can only build up enough evidence to expell them and pass the problem to someone else. |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure."
Oh easy question first:
We now have the freedom post Brexit to spend the savings from the EU into whatever we choose. And why not education?
But then you are so very WRONG!
No its Lefties like you that deem a child who seems more suited to vocational or a skills trad rather than an academic one as 'failure' YOUR words not anyone else as I said in my post.
I did the 11+ and gained a scholarship to an excellent Grammar school. Note: My parents could not afford the school but it was available to 'someone like me'. As it happens I was not academically good enough and the day after my last GCE (I gained 5) I got a job on a building site and then did an engineering apprenticeship gaining my City & Guilds Tech certificate. Friends who were streamed into a Secondary Modern and Tech College after their 11+ did equally as well if not better.
There was no 'failure'. It was an exam set to assess which style of Secondary education would get the best out of that child. But then you Lefties always create the divisions and stigmas you profess to abhor ...  |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure.
Oh easy question first:
We now have the freedom post Brexit to spend the savings from the EU into whatever we choose. And why not education?
But then you are so very WRONG!
No its Lefties like you that deem a child who seems more suited to vocational or a skills trad rather than an academic one as 'failure' YOUR words not anyone else as I said in my post.
I did the 11+ and gained a scholarship to an excellent Grammar school. Note: My parents could not afford the school but it was available to 'someone like me'. As it happens I was not academically good enough and the day after my last GCE (I gained 5) I got a job on a building site and then did an engineering apprenticeship gaining my City & Guilds Tech certificate. Friends who were streamed into a Secondary Modern and Tech College after their 11+ did equally as well if not better.
There was no 'failure'. It was an exam set to assess which style of Secondary education would get the best out of that child. But then you Lefties always create the divisions and stigmas you profess to abhor ... "
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
I disagree.
School is basically a glorified baby sitting service with actual education ranking about 3rd or 4th in its objectives.
It's problems are nothing to do with funding. It's problems are that there are ~180,000 "dysfunctional families" in this country who breed chaos. They send their malnourished, ill-disciplined little bundles of joy to school where they proceed to disrupt everyone else's education. Ultimately, the teacher has no way to prevent or control this, they can only build up enough evidence to expell them and pass the problem to someone else. "
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
I disagree.
School is basically a glorified baby sitting service with actual education ranking about 3rd or 4th in its objectives.
It's problems are nothing to do with funding. It's problems are that there are ~180,000 "dysfunctional families" in this country who breed chaos. They send their malnourished, ill-disciplined little bundles of joy to school where they proceed to disrupt everyone else's education. Ultimately, the teacher has no way to prevent or control this, they can only build up enough evidence to expell them and pass the problem to someone else.
the Stasi are watching you "
I'm fucked anyway come the revolution. May as well go out saying what I think. |
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"The problem is the current system leaves a lot of children on the scrapheap , i should know im one of them left school with very few qualifications at least under the old system i would have learnt a trade
We really need to accept that not every child is studious enough for ca levels and uni
And yet the changes and money that will go into the new system is aimed purely at those children who will go on to A Levels and Uni. This isn't about helping vocational education in the slightest."
I admit i have not seen todays announcement but i would hope that grammar schools are just part of a larger plan that would also include a 21st century equivalent to technical college |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
The majority shouldn't be written off, yet you are advocating for a system that tells 80% of children that they are a failure.
Oh easy question first:
We now have the freedom post Brexit to spend the savings from the EU into whatever we choose. And why not education?
But then you are so very WRONG!
No its Lefties like you that deem a child who seems more suited to vocational or a skills trad rather than an academic one as 'failure' YOUR words not anyone else as I said in my post.
I did the 11+ and gained a scholarship to an excellent Grammar school. Note: My parents could not afford the school but it was available to 'someone like me'. As it happens I was not academically good enough and the day after my last GCE (I gained 5) I got a job on a building site and then did an engineering apprenticeship gaining my City & Guilds Tech certificate. Friends who were streamed into a Secondary Modern and Tech College after their 11+ did equally as well if not better.
There was no 'failure'. It was an exam set to assess which style of Secondary education would get the best out of that child. But then you Lefties always create the divisions and stigmas you profess to abhor ...
exctly, good post "
I'll second that. |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
I disagree.
School is basically a glorified baby sitting service with actual education ranking about 3rd or 4th in its objectives.
It's problems are nothing to do with funding. It's problems are that there are ~180,000 "dysfunctional families" in this country who breed chaos. They send their malnourished, ill-disciplined little bundles of joy to school where they proceed to disrupt everyone else's education. Ultimately, the teacher has no way to prevent or control this, they can only build up enough evidence to expell them and pass the problem to someone else. "
Sadly that is very true and as an ex school governor I've seen it so many times. |
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"The problem is the current system leaves a lot of children on the scrapheap , i should know im one of them left school with very few qualifications at least under the old system i would have learnt a trade
We really need to accept that not every child is studious enough for ca levels and uni
And yet the changes and money that will go into the new system is aimed purely at those children who will go on to A Levels and Uni. This isn't about helping vocational education in the slightest.
I admit i have not seen todays announcement but i would hope that grammar schools are just part of a larger plan that would also include a 21st century equivalent to technical college"
Absolutely. I went to a secondary modern and benefited from my local technical college. |
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"Also agree. The majority shouldn't be written off. More government investment in teachers and schools is what's needed. But where does the money come from?
I think I have just opened a massive can of worms with that question...
I disagree.
School is basically a glorified baby sitting service with actual education ranking about 3rd or 4th in its objectives.
It's problems are nothing to do with funding. It's problems are that there are ~180,000 "dysfunctional families" in this country who breed chaos. They send their malnourished, ill-disciplined little bundles of joy to school where they proceed to disrupt everyone else's education. Ultimately, the teacher has no way to prevent or control this, they can only build up enough evidence to expell them and pass the problem to someone else.
the Stasi are watching you
I'm fucked anyway come the revolution. May as well go out saying what I think. "
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"Does anyone else also think we should extend school leaving age to 18 with final 2yrs either doing a levels ,trade training or joining armed forces?"
In the sense that a 16 year old has precisely fuck all options if they don't continue education then yeah. Should we fill the army with riff raff - no. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Does anyone else also think we should extend school leaving age to 18 with final 2yrs either doing a levels ,trade training or joining armed forces?"
I guess you haven't noticed that the government has already raised the leaving age to 18 with the final two years doing formal education, apprenticeships or volunteering? |
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"Does anyone else also think we should extend school leaving age to 18 with final 2yrs either doing a levels ,trade training or joining armed forces?"
I could expand on that.
The German system will make kids do the whole year again if their year end results are not up to scratch.
For example: A kid at the end of say year 9 who has not reached the required standard will not go up to year 10 but have to do the whole of year 9 again.
After two failures they then have to go to a special needs school.
There are check and balances, as my stepson found out a few years ago. He did well enough to move up apart from in one subject that dragged his total down to having to do the year again. However he was allowed to revise during the summer holidays and resit the exam a few days before the start of the new term. He just scrapped through but during the holidays I could taste the fear that was coming from him.
He learned a good lesson though and was never in that position again.
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"Does anyone else also think we should extend school leaving age to 18 with final 2yrs either doing a levels ,trade training or joining armed forces?
I guess you haven't noticed that the government has already raised the leaving age to 18 with the final two years doing formal education, apprenticeships or volunteering? "
I must say i had no idea about this...
Good idea but I'd rather it be a collage based real job skills choice system that focuses on a couple of different sectors for the 2 years. |
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"Does anyone else also think we should extend school leaving age to 18 with final 2yrs either doing a levels ,trade training or joining armed forces?
I guess you haven't noticed that the government has already raised the leaving age to 18 with the final two years doing formal education, apprenticeships or volunteering? "
Not fully correct the third choice also includes work, and unofficiaally there is a fourth choice do none of the above but dont expect any out of work benefits. What i am suggesting is formal education till 18 |
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I don't see the problem with more grammar schools as long as they are available to all capable pupils no matter of class.
Everyone is different and has different abilities, talents and a willingness to learn and get on.
Some will never do well no matter how much you try and push them so why not give the talented a better chance and open up more higher tier schools.
I'm not a fan of the faith schools because they are trully exclusive to anyone who does not follow thier own personal brand of religion.
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As for my friends who went to the local comprehensive? They all did well in their relevant occupations but didn't need the same academic level as me."
Well its just as well the 98% in your year who didn't get to the grammer school didn't have any aspirations for academic course or careers that would have required them to complete such courses.
Also it was lucky for you, and the other 1%, that you had a special school to stop you from being held back by the other 98%. God know how you might have turned out if you had had to go to school with them! |
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As for my friends who went to the local comprehensive? They all did well in their relevant occupations but didn't need the same academic level as me.
Well its just as well the 98% in your year who didn't get to the grammer school didn't have any aspirations for academic course or careers that would have required them to complete such courses.
Also it was lucky for you, and the other 1%, that you had a special school to stop you from being held back by the other 98%. God know how you might have turned out if you had had to go to school with them! "
you don't know the first thing about grammer schools or the level students who didn't get into them attained do you? |
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As for my friends who went to the local comprehensive? They all did well in their relevant occupations but didn't need the same academic level as me.
Well its just as well the 98% in your year who didn't get to the grammer school didn't have any aspirations for academic course or careers that would have required them to complete such courses.
Also it was lucky for you, and the other 1%, that you had a special school to stop you from being held back by the other 98%. God know how you might have turned out if you had had to go to school with them!
you don't know the first thing about grammer schools or the level students who didn't get into them attained do you?"
I just wish that everyone would learn how to spell "Grammar" correctly. |
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As for my friends who went to the local comprehensive? They all did well in their relevant occupations but didn't need the same academic level as me.
Well its just as well the 98% in your year who didn't get to the grammer school didn't have any aspirations for academic course or careers that would have required them to complete such courses.
Also it was lucky for you, and the other 1%, that you had a special school to stop you from being held back by the other 98%. God know how you might have turned out if you had had to go to school with them!
you don't know the first thing about grammer schools or the level students who didn't get into them attained do you?
I just wish that everyone would learn how to spell "Grammar" correctly. "
good job they did away with them just before I was due to take my 11+ then eh, I'd have been on the scrapheap with the other 98%
then again, if I had gone to one I might be able to spell grammar
Funnily enough they gave us the 11+ exam anyway to determine which class we went into at the high school. I passed |
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things"
My children are educated to doctorate level, I hold two degrees, not because we're particularly brainy but my left/liberal thinking parents told me I'd have to fly to where a white man can walk!
I think children should be given the best start in life and think grammar schools a good idea.
Unfortunately, children left at the bottom will be those with parents like those flouting school uniform rules who think schools a joke anyway! |
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things"
Your first point is based purely on ignorance and bias, such things only serve to entrench and divide. Ditto it's also not just some on the 'right' who think the same..
had you said 'some' then yes I agree with you and I am in agreement with your second point as I suspect are many within the education system at the coal face who are 'left/liberal' leaning and have invested their working lives in trying to get the very best out of their charges..
Its a petty attempt at an insult to suggest that one can be left/liberal thinking on some things and not want the best for ones kids..
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things
My children are educated to doctorate level, I hold two degrees, not because we're particularly brainy but my left/liberal thinking parents told me I'd have to fly to where a white man can walk!
I think children should be given the best start in life and think grammar schools a good idea.
Unfortunately, children left at the bottom will be those with parents like those flouting school uniform rules who think schools a joke anyway!"
It is a joke.
School has got very little to do with education. Feminazis are always complaining "oh girls do better at school but then earn less money at work" - no shit sherlock. Maybe because the behaviours that get rewarded at school (blindly following rules and memorising other people's ideas) aren't the same behaviours that make one a productive member of the economy... just a thought. |
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things
My children are educated to doctorate level, I hold two degrees, not because we're particularly brainy but my left/liberal thinking parents told me I'd have to fly to where a white man can walk!
I think children should be given the best start in life and think grammar schools a good idea.
Unfortunately, children left at the bottom will be those with parents like those flouting school uniform rules who think schools a joke anyway!
It is a joke.
School has got very little to do with education. Feminazis are always complaining "oh girls do better at school but then earn less money at work" - no shit sherlock. Maybe because the behaviours that get rewarded at school (blindly following rules and memorising other people's ideas) aren't the same behaviours that make one a productive member of the economy... just a thought. "
 that's a bit misogynistic |
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"Agreed. The left/Liberal thinkers always seem to be in a race to the bottom. Have they not seen the educational standards compared to the rest of the world. It is worth a try and just might improve things
My children are educated to doctorate level, I hold two degrees, not because we're particularly brainy but my left/liberal thinking parents told me I'd have to fly to where a white man can walk!
I think children should be given the best start in life and think grammar schools a good idea.
Unfortunately, children left at the bottom will be those with parents like those flouting school uniform rules who think schools a joke anyway!
It is a joke.
School has got very little to do with education. Feminazis are always complaining "oh girls do better at school but then earn less money at work" - no shit sherlock. Maybe because the behaviours that get rewarded at school (blindly following rules and memorising other people's ideas) aren't the same behaviours that make one a productive member of the economy... just a thought.
that's a bit misogynistic"
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"Ok. Opening myself up for abuse here but I don't get why re-introducing Grammar Schools is wrong? Surely the cleverest shouldn't be held back to fit in with the majority? Bringing all the other schools up to the same standard is impossible to do, no matter what the well meaning want."
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"I don't think people were said to have 'failed' their 11+. That is something that the anti- Grammar brigade have added as a way of de-valuing a system that worked very well. Indeed versions of the 11+ are still in use in some counties.
The exam was a way of streaming people leaving Primary schools into their next Secondary school and Post WWII there were actually three choices. Sadly many of the 'Technical Schools' were never built or took on a different role hence some were called 'Secondary Modern'. And many very skilled engineers, tradesmen and apprentices for all industries were well served by those schools. Many children in Secondary Moderns were streamed into Grammars after a couple of years as late developers. Grammars were for more academically minded pupils who would flourish in that environment and the GCE 'O' level exam standards of those days proves the point! GCE 'O' Level were taken by all children if they chose to although Secondary Moderns used 'CSE' exams.
The 1980s saw a levelling down rather than a levelling up as the two systems were merged into 'GCSE'.
Comprehensives have been around since WWII but were really pushed as the 'leveller' system by Labour and the Lefties. Sadly they levelled down not up."
Theresa May used these words at Jeremy Corbyn in PMQs today. Maybe she's on here... |
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May: "there is selection today, but it's selection by house price"
Oh so true!! I'm starting to like her. So that's 2 prime ministers that own JC in PMQs... |
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"May: "there is selection today, but it's selection by house price"
Oh so true!! I'm starting to like her. So that's 2 prime ministers that own JC in PMQs... "
I noticed a very steely stare from Mrs May especially when she was putting the Corbyn in his place. Very effective when she pointed out that they were both the products of Grammar Schools.
Like you I do like the cut of her jib .... |
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"May: "there is selection today, but it's selection by house price"
Oh so true!! I'm starting to like her. So that's 2 prime ministers that own JC in PMQs...
I noticed a very steely stare from Mrs May especially when she was putting the Corbyn in his place. Very effective when she pointed out that they were both the products of Grammar Schools.
Like you I do like the cut of her jib ...."
To temper my enthusiasm, most professional boxers look good when they are fight an amateur. |
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"Ok. Opening myself up for abuse here but I don't get why re-introducing Grammar Schools is wrong? Surely the cleverest shouldn't be held back to fit in with the majority? Bringing all the other schools up to the same standard is impossible to do, no matter what the well meaning want.
Private Schooling is always the best option for educating your children, if you can afford the cost"
Educating for results? Or educating for life? You're not guaranteed a successful life if you goto private school. I know a few who failed in life because they were taught how to pass. Not how to survive in society.
I'm not familiar with grammar schools. I went to a state school where yearly fights against rival schools were common, kids setting fire to it and stabbings were normal. I turned out fine and got a post graduate degree.  So my doctor says  |
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"Ok. Opening myself up for abuse here but I don't get why re-introducing Grammar Schools is wrong? Surely the cleverest shouldn't be held back to fit in with the majority? Bringing all the other schools up to the same standard is impossible to do, no matter what the well meaning want.
Private Schooling is always the best option for educating your children, if you can afford the cost
Educating for results? Or educating for life? You're not guaranteed a successful life if you goto private school. I know a few who failed in life because they were taught how to pass. Not how to survive in society.
I'm not familiar with grammar schools. I went to a state school where yearly fights against rival schools were common, kids setting fire to it and stabbings were normal. I turned out fine and got a post graduate degree. So my doctor says "
Well that certainly sounds like a valuable experience we'd all want our children to go through, doesn't it!?
Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards? |
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Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards? "
I wouldn't wish it upon any future generation. The area I lived in was poor and dangerous. Since they closed the hospital's helping people with mental health and moved them to a tower pick near the school. There was no other choice. So either improve the quality of education. I checked the Ofsted results at my old school which is inadequate.
What would you suggest?
Plus this was a Tory government at the time of my education. |
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Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards?
I wouldn't wish it upon any future generation. The area I lived in was poor and dangerous. Since they closed the hospital's helping people with mental health and moved them to a tower pick near the school. There was no other choice. So either improve the quality of education. I checked the Ofsted results at my old school which is inadequate.
What would you suggest?
Plus this was a Tory government at the time of my education."
Quality of education and life. |
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Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards?
I wouldn't wish it upon any future generation. The area I lived in was poor and dangerous. Since they closed the hospital's helping people with mental health and moved them to a tower pick near the school. There was no other choice. So either improve the quality of education. I checked the Ofsted results at my old school which is inadequate.
What would you suggest?
Plus this was a Tory government at the time of my education."
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Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards?
I wouldn't wish it upon any future generation. The area I lived in was poor and dangerous. Since they closed the hospital's helping people with mental health and moved them to a tower pick near the school. There was no other choice. So either improve the quality of education. I checked the Ofsted results at my old school which is inadequate.
What would you suggest?
Plus this was a Tory government at the time of my education.
What would I suggest for what sorry? "
Oops, no question intended now I though it some more. But it did bring a new thought to mind.
To ensure your children go through a better education you need to find a good school, which is determined by where you live. I.e. selection by house price. Or if grammar schools are in place then your child has to be a smart 11 year old. What if you're not in the right area and your child is not smart enough... yet?
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Personally I'd prefer my children avoid those kind of kids because they won't meet them again as adults. People that go around stabbing and setting fire to things end up in prison, not the workplace. So I really don't see what life skill is gained by mixing with people that won't be around later in life - unless you want your children to become prison guards?
I wouldn't wish it upon any future generation. The area I lived in was poor and dangerous. Since they closed the hospital's helping people with mental health and moved them to a tower pick near the school. There was no other choice. So either improve the quality of education. I checked the Ofsted results at my old school which is inadequate.
What would you suggest?
Plus this was a Tory government at the time of my education.
What would I suggest for what sorry?
Oops, no question intended now I though it some more. But it did bring a new thought to mind.
To ensure your children go through a better education you need to find a good school, which is determined by where you live. I.e. selection by house price. Or if grammar schools are in place then your child has to be a smart 11 year old. What if you're not in the right area and your child is not smart enough... yet?
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Then you get stuck going to the kind of war zone you described. I don't think that's a fair system. That's why I hate comprehensive schools. |
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Then you get stuck going to the kind of war zone you described. I don't think that's a fair system. That's why I hate comprehensive schools. "
It isn't fair. |
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