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"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!! "Didn't the airlines say Brexit would be bad though? | |||
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"If you really want to get into experts opinions of what's happening I would highly recommend mark Blyth's book austerity a history of a dangerous idea. . Not only is he brilliant but he explains things in easy to understand no nonsense or check out his many lectures on YouTube if your not the reading type. https://youtu.be/nwK0jeJ8wxg. . . Oh and by the way he also predicted brexit, trump and the Italian vote." thanks for that, he pretty much nails it  | |||
"If you really want to get into experts opinions of what's happening I would highly recommend mark Blyth's book austerity a history of a dangerous idea. . Not only is he brilliant but he explains things in easy to understand no nonsense or check out his many lectures on YouTube if your not the reading type. https://youtu.be/nwK0jeJ8wxg. . . Oh and by the way he also predicted brexit, trump and the Italian vote." Interesting clip...I'll have to get the book..thanks | |||
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"If you really want to get into experts opinions of what's happening I would highly recommend mark Blyth's book austerity a history of a dangerous idea. . Not only is he brilliant but he explains things in easy to understand no nonsense or check out his many lectures on YouTube if your not the reading type. https://youtu.be/nwK0jeJ8wxg. . . Oh and by the way he also predicted brexit, trump and the Italian vote. thanks for that, he pretty much nails it "Hang on, Blyth appears to be ..... an expert! | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!! "See praise for Blyth above! | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630" You call that a cartoon? Now this is a proper cartoon! www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAq17S7JNI | |||
"If you really want to get into experts opinions of what's happening I would highly recommend mark Blyth's book austerity a history of a dangerous idea. . Not only is he brilliant but he explains things in easy to understand no nonsense or check out his many lectures on YouTube if your not the reading type. https://youtu.be/nwK0jeJ8wxg. . . Oh and by the way he also predicted brexit, trump and the Italian vote." Will check him out thanks for info | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! ". He's deadly serious with that quote at the end. …the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you.. . Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history! | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
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Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!"Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then! | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
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Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then! ". I don't know, I can't answer for everyone. I read a few books and watch a few lectures and use that feedback into my own observations in life, Blyth doesn't hide the fact that he's Pro government Pro taxs but he's honest enough it seems in his assessments of human habits and government failures with no biased views of left or right. I think the main thing you could learn from him is you don't have to like the answers he gives but it serves well to understand why he gets them and to his credit in his book he points out he has more questions than answers to complex problems and that's how it should be, because understanding how we got here is sometimes more important than what to do about it | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630" A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
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Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then! "so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro? | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?"He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work. The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here. But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great! | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!! "And you thought you were joking! | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
"no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past."So can you name an expert who has identified the problem and decided that staying in the EU is what should be done about it that you equal admire and respect? | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past.
So can you name an expert who has identified the problem and decided that staying in the EU is what should be done about it that you equal admire and respect?"no. The EU is the problem | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past.
So can you name an expert who has identified the problem and decided that staying in the EU is what should be done about it that you equal admire and respect?
no. The EU is the problem"So you don't give a shit about experts, their training, their education, their years of experience, absolutely none of that matters if their opinion differs from yours. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past.
So can you name an expert who has identified the problem and decided that staying in the EU is what should be done about it that you equal admire and respect?
no. The EU is the problem
So you don't give a shit about experts, their training, their education, their years of experience, absolutely none of that matters if their opinion differs from yours."I don't give a shit about economists and their predictions no. And I don't give a shit any longer about opinions on Brexit, I made my own mind up from what I've learnt and through experience and believe I am right. And I'll let you into a secret (there are no experts on Brexit)  | |||
"And I'll let you into a secret (there are no experts on Brexit) "well, I'm not sure if that's a first or not but we actually agree on something here! Blimey, whatever next? The problem, of course, is that you appear to think that even though there are no experts we should do this anyway. I, on the other hand, think this is yet another reason why we shouldn't have done it. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
See praise for Blyth above! .
He's deadly serious with that quote at the end.
…the Hamptons is not a defensible position. The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you..
.
Thats the thing when you have PhD in economics and history!
Oh, so what some would describe as a "self-appointed chancer" then!
so what do you think he's got wrong? In particular on the matter of the Euro?
He may well be right, I haven't questioned his work.
The thing about it that makes this so funny is that you, and others, who are usually so against experts, are sitting here praising Blyth's work. He is, by any definition, exactly the sort of expert that is usually derided on here.
But here, he's an expert who says what you want to hear so he's great!
no, the difference is that he has identified the problem and what should be done about it. The 'experts' who get derided on here are the ones who predict the future when they have failed to do so in the past.
So can you name an expert who has identified the problem and decided that staying in the EU is what should be done about it that you equal admire and respect?"Wait a minute... On a previous thread a while ago, you quoted Steve Keen as an expert who predicted the 2008 crash. You didn't realise until I pointed out that Steve Keen campaigned for Brexit. .... Funnily enough, you've never quoted Steve Keen again .... | |||
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"I notice that the experts at the Bank of England have been giving their expert opinions on their own experts. Andy Haldane, chief economist at the Bank of England is quoted as saying. "Our forecasts are just about as good as Michael Fish's" and he added "my profession is in crisis" "Oh I almost missed this bit. He also added. "If an economist ever tells you they are certain about anything, that is the time to worry." So as all of this comes from one of their hallowed experts I can assume that the remoaners on here will accept it without question. | |||
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"Of course they will,they are all experts or so they tell us.Gut feeling and common sense told me to vote out " Really? You don't think you or anyone else were in any way influenced by the last couple of decades of anti EU, anti immigration propaganda pumped out by the torygraph, the daily bile, the scum and the news of the screws? Or the regular hard right tory whinging when the EU and ECHR stopped them trampling over our basic freedoms? | |||
"Of course they will,they are all experts or so they tell us.Gut feeling and common sense told me to vote out Really? You don't think you or anyone else were in any way influenced by the last couple of decades of anti EU, anti immigration propaganda pumped out by the torygraph, the daily bile, the scum and the news of the screws? Or the regular hard right tory whinging when the EU and ECHR stopped them trampling over our basic freedoms?" I cant say for anyone else but I was not influenced by anyone if the EU had stayed a trading block instead of getting involved in politics it would have been better for everyone. | |||
"Of course they will,they are all experts or so they tell us.Gut feeling and common sense told me to vote out Really? You don't think you or anyone else were in any way influenced by the last couple of decades of anti EU, anti immigration propaganda pumped out by the torygraph, the daily bile, the scum and the news of the screws? Or the regular hard right tory whinging when the EU and ECHR stopped them trampling over our basic freedoms? I cant say for anyone else but I was not influenced by anyone if the EU had stayed a trading block instead of getting involved in politics it would have been better for everyone. " It's ridiculous for anyone to say they weren't influenced unless you lived in complete isolation, in which case you would never have even heard of the EU. You have been influenced, a thousand tiny ways. | |||
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"It's ridiculous for anyone to say they weren't influenced unless you lived in complete isolation, in which case you would never have even heard of the EU. You have been influenced, a thousand tiny ways." Some people see the propaganda that is pumped at them every day for what it is and refuse to believe anything without checking the facts, some people see the propaganda, lap it up and revel in it's bigotry, the majority don't notice it and refuse to believe they are being conditioned. Remember its the feckless workshy drug addled that are sleeping rough on the streets and they deserve no sympathy (even if they are veterans of Afghanistan who were discharged as soon as they got home with undiagnosed PTSD and other mental illnesses). It is not the greedy fat cats and the greedier multinationals they steal for or the government that enables them to defraud our country that are responsible for need for foodbanks. It's the idle disabled and terminally ill shits who refuse to work on zero hours contracts who are to blame... I could go on but like the marks of good confidence tricksters the world over most of the victims refuse to even see that they have been conned let alone admit it third parties. | |||
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"Of course they will,they are all experts or so they tell us.Gut feeling and common sense told me to vote out Really? You don't think you or anyone else were in any way influenced by the last couple of decades of anti EU, anti immigration propaganda pumped out by the torygraph, the daily bile, the scum and the news of the screws? Or the regular hard right tory whinging when the EU and ECHR stopped them trampling over our basic freedoms?" Funny that because I thought we had a labour government from 1997 until 2010. The scum and the news of the screws as you put it were Labour supporting newspapers during those years. Have you forgot how Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Alistair Campbell and Gordon Brown were all bosom buddies with Rupert Murdoch and Rebecca Brooks while they were in power? From 2010 until 2015 we had a Tory/Lib dem coalition government. The tories have been in power now for a year and a half. | |||
"It's ridiculous for anyone to say they weren't influenced unless you lived in complete isolation, in which case you would never have even heard of the EU. You have been influenced, a thousand tiny ways. Some people see the propaganda that is pumped at them every day for what it is and refuse to believe anything without checking the facts, some people see the propaganda, lap it up and revel in it's bigotry, the majority don't notice it and refuse to believe they are being conditioned. Remember its the feckless workshy drug addled that are sleeping rough on the streets and they deserve no sympathy (even if they are veterans of Afghanistan who were discharged as soon as they got home with undiagnosed PTSD and other mental illnesses). It is not the greedy fat cats and the greedier multinationals they steal for or the government that enables them to defraud our country that are responsible for need for foodbanks. It's the idle disabled and terminally ill shits who refuse to work on zero hours contracts who are to blame... I could go on but like the marks of good confidence tricksters the world over most of the victims refuse to even see that they have been conned let alone admit it third parties." That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ? "Meaning?  | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. " In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning? "You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries. | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? " So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!! | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!!" I think its very likely that all racists voted Leave | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!! I think its very likely that all racists voted Leave" why? Thought it would mean we'd get more Asians coming to the UK? | |||
but is it not racist to give preference to Europeans over say, Thais, when it comes to living in the UK? | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!!" No, I'm applying consistently a logic proposed by a brexiter. Although that brexiters initial premise is actually flawed, as fat cat bankers and multinationals are less able to influence the EU than they are the Uk and indeed the EU are starting to attack some of the tax havens and tax avoidance and sharp corporate practices of multinationals. Whereas we all know the racists voted leave, we know that the Leave campaigns were full of racist imagery and rhetoric and we also know that there was very little condemnation of this by the majority of leave people - there was some, but it was piffling in volume. I'm sure most were a little uncomfortable with it, but by largely keeping schtum, you gave your tacit approval, I'm afraid. But lets not get into this, it's for you lot and your conscience to live with, I was merely throwing his own nonsense reasoning back in his face to make a point. | |||
" Although that brexiters initial premise is actually flawed, as fat cat bankers and multinationals are less able to influence the EU than they are the Uk and indeed the EU are starting to attack some of the tax havens and tax avoidance and sharp corporate practices of multinationals. Whereas we all know the racists voted leave, we know that the Leave campaigns were full of racist imagery and rhetoric and we also know that there was very little condemnation of this by the majority of leave people - there was some, but it was piffling in volume. I'm sure most were a little uncomfortable with it, but by largely keeping schtum, you gave your tacit approval, I'm afraid. But lets not get into this, it's for you lot and your conscience to live with, I was merely throwing his own nonsense reasoning back in his face to make a point. " Of course a cynic might say that the eu is going after the fat cats and corporations to avoid the stare of public opinion looking at them | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!! I think its very likely that all racists voted Leave" That is quite possible. But it is also probable that Brexiters in general are not racist. It is an odd slur to raise. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries."Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again? Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post. Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then? | |||
" That would be the greedy fat cat bankers and greedy multi national companies who for the most part supported the Remain campaign during the referendum and wanted Britain to stay in the EU. If you are a Remainer then you are on the same side as them. In that case can I use that same logic about Leave voters and racists? So are you saying all leave voters are rascists then !!! No, I'm applying consistently a logic proposed by a brexiter. Although that brexiters initial premise is actually flawed, as fat cat bankers and multinationals are less able to influence the EU than they are the Uk and indeed the EU are starting to attack some of the tax havens and tax avoidance and sharp corporate practices of multinationals. Whereas we all know the racists voted leave, we know that the Leave campaigns were full of racist imagery and rhetoric and we also know that there was very little condemnation of this by the majority of leave people - there was some, but it was piffling in volume. I'm sure most were a little uncomfortable with it, but by largely keeping schtum, you gave your tacit approval, I'm afraid. But lets not get into this, it's for you lot and your conscience to live with, I was merely throwing his own nonsense reasoning back in his face to make a point. " So lets follow the application of logic your following then. By not voting either way 30 % of the electorate gave their tacit approval to leave. Thereby making the referendum about 67% to leave, 33% to stay. A resounding leave majority. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?"Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone? | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone? "I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks. Any comment on the BoE economist yet? Thought not. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not."Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing. So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care? How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care? How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them? How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right? Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad. So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea."So change the subject from the economy to defence and climate change then. Where do you go when a few generals and climate scientists say "our forecasts are as good as Micheal Fish's" then? Oh wait a minute. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
Didn't the airlines say Brexit would be bad though? "yep ryanair for one. pats favorite airline .he even praised them on his profile. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea.
So change the subject from the economy to defence and climate change then.
Where do you go when a few generals and climate scientists say "our forecasts are as good as Micheal Fish's" then?
Oh wait a minute."I'm saying that leaving the EU has a lot of impact on a lot of different subject areas. I just find it stupendously arrogant for Leave voter to believe they know better than then experts from all these different and diverse fields. | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea.
So change the subject from the economy to defence and climate change then.
Where do you go when a few generals and climate scientists say "our forecasts are as good as Micheal Fish's" then?
Oh wait a minute."This myth that CLCC like to put about that no experts what so ever supported Brexit is nonsense. Plenty of experts supported leaving the EU in all the areas that CLCC listed. There may have been more experts supporting Remain but there is an old saying "quality over quantity". | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea.
So change the subject from the economy to defence and climate change then.
Where do you go when a few generals and climate scientists say "our forecasts are as good as Micheal Fish's" then?
Oh wait a minute.
I'm saying that leaving the EU has a lot of impact on a lot of different subject areas. I just find it stupendously arrogant for Leave voter to believe they know better than then experts from all these different and diverse fields. "But you've spent months banging on about "economic experts" telling us how bad Brexit will be for the economy and forecasting everything from the black death and WW3 to a plague of Locusts. Then suddenly one of the leading experts turns around and says that they got it wrong and you can't even leave a comment about it. The closest we got was a subject change on a different thread. The title of THIS thread is very clear and I would have thought you would be chomping at the bit to get a comment on it regarding something so important to you. So as I said before. When it doesn't suit you, you either hide behind the couch or resort to personal digs. Yep The measure of the man. | |||
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"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea."we're still all waiting with bated breath as to your comments about all the economic experts that are now changing their tune - by far the majority of your anti-Brexit, anti-UK posts on these forums have been based upon the economy and Brexiters' unwillingness to take heed of experts. Now that those economists are all starting to say - "actually, we were wrong", you are trying to change tack - but you have specifically been asked about economic experts here. Whilst you're answering the question, maybe you could also comment on Vince Cable's assessment of our need to control immigration - or perhaps you think he has turned into a thick rascist bigot now? | |||
"By experts do you mean English immigrants who have settled in a foreign state who like to pretend they are not immigrants ?
Meaning?
You know, the people who complain about immigrants in this country, when they themselves are immigrants in other countries.
Seeing as it wasn't even your post show me the evidence for that remark. Or are you being Mystic Meg again?
Notice you are still hiding behind the couch rather than commenting on my earlier post.
Any comment on the BoE's chief economist then?
Just the way I read it. Sorry, did it cut a little close to the bone?
I tend to refrain from those sort of comments. So should you. If you can't win the argument then either admit that you have lost rather than resorting to the petty personal attacks.
Any comment on the BoE economist yet?
Thought not.
Here is the comment I made on the other thread about the same thing.
So the experts in defence that said leaving the EU will weaken our defence are right in your eyes, and you just didn't care?
How about the experts in academia that said leaving the EU would be bad for our universities and research industries, they have already been proved right with a huge drop in uni applications, were they right, and yet again you didn't care?
How about the experts in policing and security who again said that leaving the EU would put the UK at risk. Were they right too? If so, why didn't you listen to them?
How about the environment experts who said that leaving the EU would be bad for the environment? I recall that being rubbished by the Leave side before the referendum, and yet we have already seen a whole government department scrapped, the Department for Energy and Climate Change. Were those experts right?
Its not unusual for experts in one subject area to disagree, however we have had someone unusual, virtually all experts in each subject area agreeing over Brexit, that its bad. Something that is completely unheard of, is for virtually Every expert in virtually Every subject area (just a few are named above), to all agree on a single decision. That whatever way you look at it, Brexit is bad.
So I still agree with the thousands of experts, from so many subject areas, that Brexit is a straight up shit idea.
we're still all waiting with bated breath as to your comments about all the economic experts that are now changing their tune - by far the majority of your anti-Brexit, anti-UK posts on these forums have been based upon the economy and Brexiters' unwillingness to take heed of experts.
Now that those economists are all starting to say - "actually, we were wrong", you are trying to change tack - but you have specifically been asked about economic experts here.
Whilst you're answering the question, maybe you could also comment on Vince Cable's assessment of our need to control immigration - or perhaps you think he has turned into a thick rascist bigot now?"I wouldn't expect an answer any time soon. Hiding behind the sofa methinks. | |||
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"I have always talked about ALL the different areas that Brexit is shit for us, the Leavers always want to drag it back to the economy, but even then, when you really push them on the point, they conced that we might actually we worse off, they dont know." Clearly, we have been reading different threads then. | |||
"I have always talked about ALL the different areas that Brexit is shit for us, the Leavers always want to drag it back to the economy, but even then, when you really push them on the point, they conced that we might actually we worse off, they dont know. Clearly, we have been reading different threads then." And, indeed, they have been posting on all things other than economics to invisible threads.... The UK's economic performance no longer fits in with their rhetoric, so it will be dropped from now on. They did, however, quote Steve Keen as one of their eminent experts.... Only to have it pointed out that Steve Keen actually campaigned for Brexit! They've still not commented on how thick, racist and bigoted Vince Cable has become yet.... | |||
"I have always talked about ALL the different areas that Brexit is shit for us, the Leavers always want to drag it back to the economy, but even then, when you really push them on the point, they conced that we might actually we worse off, they dont know. So leaving the EU will be worse for our economy, worse for our defence, worse for our research and academic community, worse for policing and security, worse for the environment, worse for the environment, and for what? So that it doesn't say European Union on the top of your passport, woopdy do, what a stunning victory. Let's also not forget the Leavers who dont believe in the British constitution, such as parliamentary sovereignty, a politically neutral and professional civil service, an independent judiciary, independent monetary policy committee. Such is your hatred of the EU, you are willing to destroy the UK to achieve getting out of it. However it is something to point out the hypocrisy of people who are the most ardent and vociferous supporters of Brexit, have themselves taken advantage of things such as free movement, and have chosen to live in the EU after the UK leaves. " Yet another long winded answer that still doesn't comment on Andy Haldane, Steve Keen, or even Vince Cable. Maybe time for switching the subject to "The effect of Brexit on the Depressed River Mollusc".
Bet there's loads of experts you could quote on that one. | |||
"but its not all experts... it just those who disagree with their position..... keep up with the plan will ya!!!
Didn't the airlines say Brexit would be bad though?
yep ryanair for one.
pats favorite airline .he even praised them on his profile."There is a full page interview with Michael O Leary in today's Sunday Times . People will still be flying regardless of Brexit. Some airlines such as IAG may need to re structure in order to address the issue of global rules that limit foreign control of local airlines . Michael O Leary is no fan of the Brussels bureaucratic machine . | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. " I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past." What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? | |||
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"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past." This is true but you're missing the point. By and large the Brexit camp have portrayed experts as bad. If you want to talk about economists then say economists. Those possessing expertise, such as pilots, are still experts. Words are important, use them. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. This is true but you're missing the point. By and large the Brexit camp have portrayed experts as bad. If you want to talk about economists then say economists. Those possessing expertise, such as pilots, are still experts. Words are important, use them." why is a pilot an expert? I can drive a car, does that make me an expert? | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. This is true but you're missing the point. By and large the Brexit camp have portrayed experts as bad. If you want to talk about economists then say economists. Those possessing expertise, such as pilots, are still experts. Words are important, use them." I thought that we would normally refer to people such as pilots and doctors pilots as trained professionals and the experts to which we are referring are those making economic predictions about the future which are impossible to predict. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. This is true but you're missing the point. By and large the Brexit camp have portrayed experts as bad. If you want to talk about economists then say economists. Those possessing expertise, such as pilots, are still experts. Words are important, use them. why is a pilot an expert? I can drive a car, does that make me an expert?" Look up the definition of the word expert please. | |||
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"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics?" Like the polling experts who were all wrong about the UK general election, the EU referendum and the USA Presidential election? | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Like the polling experts who were all wrong about the UK general election, the EU referendum and the USA Presidential election?" Also true, but again you're still lumping all experts in together, which gives ammunition to people accusing you of anti-intellectualism. Why not use the phrase "political experts"? | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics?" Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt."OK, you've broadened your definition of expert, but there's still many more types of expert to consider, as many as there are fields to practice in. And while all experts can be wrong, and while it's also true that some experts are more credible than others, I think what gets a lot of people's backs up is that experts in general seem to be under attack. This doesn't mean we shouldn't question and debate the opinions of so called experts, that's how progress is made. However, that's not the same thing as saying all experts are to be rubbished. Experts can be experts because of both skills and/or knowledge, so the definition includes pilots, doctors and yes drivers (if sufficiently trained), as well as economists and political pundits. So, I don't think just throwing the word expert into a critical sentence without thinking about it is helpful or productive. All that then happens is people fall back on "you're patronising me/you're stupid" arguments and doesn't actually listen to anything else. Jesus it's depressing at times 
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"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt."Until I say that you had never got close to being an expert and then you tried to claim you were one! | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt.
Until I say that you had never got close to being an expert and then you tried to claim you were one! "Whatever. 
Fancy commenting on the economy BTW?
Thought not. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt.
Until I say that you had never got close to being an expert and then you tried to claim you were one!
Whatever.
Fancy commenting on the economy BTW?
Thought not."I thought it was hilarious when you described yourself as a "self-appointed chancer"!
I have made plenty of comments about the economy, but you dont have to listen to them, or to me, just look at the pound. Look how it fell when May said we would leave the SM on Sunday, by lunchtime on Monday she was having to back track. | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt.
Until I say that you had never got close to being an expert and then you tried to claim you were one!
Whatever.
Fancy commenting on the economy BTW?
Thought not.
I thought it was hilarious when you described yourself as a "self-appointed chancer"!
I have made plenty of comments about the economy, but you dont have to listen to them, or to me, just look at the pound. Look how it fell when May said we would leave the SM on Sunday, by lunchtime on Monday she was having to back track."Not made many comments in the economy recently though... And your range of economic experts that you can quote is rapidly depleting..... | |||
"Great cartoon in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20630 A pilot's expertise has been fastidiously assessed throughout his very comprehensive training and throughout his career. He is subjected to regular physical and psychological assessment. In comparison to bankers, think tank pundits, party politicians and FTSE company directors (a right virtuous collective there!) - just where is the comparison? Tony Benn had a list of questions to establish the credibility of such people who would seek to influence our decisions. I think this is a really good point - there is a huge difference between expertise i.e. skills based on training and experience and dealing with a deterministic system, such as an aircraft, and 'economic expert opinion', which is just slightly better than random guesswork based on how a chaotic non-deterministic system has responded in the past. What about all the other experts that Brexiters also ignore and denigrate though, outside of economics? Funny isn't it? For months and months the OP has been banging on about economic experts and posting their doom laden forecasts as hard facts. Then suddenly the chief economist at the BoE (aka expert) holds his hands up and pretty much says "we got it wrong" and the OP drops the economy like a ton of hot shit. So what about all those other experts? Political experts? Yep, they seem to be regularly getting it wrong. Climate change experts? Right or wrong the jury is still out but they've got serious form for cooking the books. The military experts maybe? From what I've see they seem pretty much divided on this one so just pick your favourite. Other scientific experts? OK I can see how they may be worried about funding but until there is some meat on the bones of the brexit deal how can they give an expert opinion on something they can only guess about? Remainers constantly moan that there is no plan but then quote expert opinions about the plan. Make your bloody minds up.
At the moment I'm taking all expert opinion on brexit with a shovel full of salt.
Until I say that you had never got close to being an expert and then you tried to claim you were one!
Whatever.
Fancy commenting on the economy BTW?
Thought not.
I thought it was hilarious when you described yourself as a "self-appointed chancer"!
I have made plenty of comments about the economy, but you dont have to listen to them, or to me, just look at the pound. Look how it fell when May said we would leave the SM on Sunday, by lunchtime on Monday she was having to back track.
Not made many comments in the economy recently though... And your range of economic experts that you can quote is rapidly depleting....."If you say so, but the £ is still falling... | |||
