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So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.   |
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position. "
Some could argue it's a move against Donald Trump's protectionism, but at the same time it's also a move against the EU. The EU is one giant protectionist bloc. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Some could argue it's a move against Donald Trump's protectionism, but at the same time it's also a move against the EU. The EU is one giant protectionist bloc. "
Wow... so does that mean that some in the world, including the UK is BENEFITING from Trumps election ?
Fascinating.... so does that mean Trump isn't so bad after all ????  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You guys know that the EU and the US will both be part of the negotiations for future changes to the WTO and are two of the biggest voices in it..."
yes we do. The negotiations are over though, did you not know that? 110 countries had to ratify it and that has now happened. It comes into force. Hard luck |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position. "
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for? "
err, because it is news 
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for?
err, because it is news
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that"
How is it news? It's the organisations raison d'être. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for?
err, because it is news
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that
How is it news? It's the organisations raison d'être."
so when the Director General of the WTO Roberto Azevedo yesterday called the new FTA 'the biggest reform in global trade in a generation' it's not news? 
Do you agree that this is good news for the UK with regards to their negotiations with the EU and are you happy with that? Or would you rather the EU had the upper hand? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position. "
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for?
err, because it is news
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that
How is it news? It's the organisations raison d'être."
Exactly |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for?
err, because it is news
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that
How is it news? It's the organisations raison d'être.
so when the Director General of the WTO Roberto Azevedo yesterday called the new FTA 'the biggest reform in global trade in a generation' it's not news?
Do you agree that this is good news for the UK with regards to their negotiations with the EU and are you happy with that? Or would you rather the EU had the upper hand?"
Keep reading the papers |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why do you say that like it's news? That is the whole point of the WTO! What did you think it was for?
err, because it is news
maybe you've not kept up with it. It now weakens the EU's hand but I suppose you're sad about that
How is it news? It's the organisations raison d'être.
so when the Director General of the WTO Roberto Azevedo yesterday called the new FTA 'the biggest reform in global trade in a generation' it's not news?
Do you agree that this is good news for the UK with regards to their negotiations with the EU and are you happy with that? Or would you rather the EU had the upper hand?
Keep reading the papers "
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year."
If that's the case why didn't the WTO do this year's ago then? Seems funny now with the timing of the election of Donald Trump and he starts talking about Protectionist policies for the USA, suddenly 4 months later the WTO announce this. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year."
and by the way, if you ever want advice about which way the pound is heading, forget about your daily updates, just ask me  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year.
If that's the case why didn't the WTO do this year's ago then? Seems funny now with the timing of the election of Donald Trump and he starts talking about Protectionist policies for the USA, suddenly 4 months later the WTO announce this. "
It has been doing it for years! Shows how much you have been paying attention. |
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year.
If that's the case why didn't the WTO do this year's ago then? Seems funny now with the timing of the election of Donald Trump and he starts talking about Protectionist policies for the USA, suddenly 4 months later the WTO announce this.
It has been doing it for years! Shows how much you have been paying attention."
They've not been doing it enough though have they! The EU's protectionist walls are crumbling, you better get used to it! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So, the WTO is to introduce new lower global tariffs and reduce red tape to encourage more free trade and help smaller businesses to export. More good news for the UK in the wake of Brexit and bad news for the EU's bargaining position.
Why? That is the reason that the WTO exists. Did you not know that? This has fuck all to do with fuck all other than the WTO fulfilling its role to ensure that global trade commences smoothly, freely and predictably.
I feel life these days is all about Brexiters who have suddenly become international trade and commerce specialists after a course of reading a tabloid a day since June last year.
If that's the case why didn't the WTO do this year's ago then? Seems funny now with the timing of the election of Donald Trump and he starts talking about Protectionist policies for the USA, suddenly 4 months later the WTO announce this.
It has been doing it for years! Shows how much you have been paying attention.
They've not been doing it enough though have they! The EU's protectionist walls are crumbling, you better get used to it!"
You complain about the EU taking a long time to do things with 28 members. The WTO has 164 members and you are surprised it takes them a while to agree things  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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From the WTO website:
"The World Trade Organization (WTO) deals with the global rules of trade between nations. Its main function is to ensure that trade flows as smoothly, predictably and freely as possible.”
So yeah OP, amazing news. In other news, McDonalds made some cheeseburgers today. |
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Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense."
hilarious
Can I refer you to your first post when you said the US and EU woujd be involved in negotiations? And now you say its already agreed?
Yes it was 'agreed' in 2013 but it has only just been ratified by enough members that it can now come into force!
You can live in denial along with the other EU fanatics if you like but this now helps the UK. If we come away with no deal after negotiations with the EU and have to trade on WTO terms then those terms will be better than they were a week ago.
Can anyone argue with what? |
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"Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense.
hilarious
Can I refer you to your first post when you said the US and EU woujd be involved in negotiations? And now you say its already agreed?
Yes it was 'agreed' in 2013 but it has only just been ratified by enough members that it can now come into force!
You can live in denial along with the other EU fanatics if you like but this now helps the UK. If we come away with no deal after negotiations with the EU and have to trade on WTO terms then those terms will be better than they were a week ago.
Can anyone argue with what?"
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By *anesjhCouple
over a year ago
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"Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense.
hilarious
Can I refer you to your first post when you said the US and EU woujd be involved in negotiations? And now you say its already agreed?
Yes it was 'agreed' in 2013 but it has only just been ratified by enough members that it can now come into force!
You can live in denial along with the other EU fanatics if you like but this now helps the UK. If we come away with no deal after negotiations with the EU and have to trade on WTO terms then those terms will be better than they were a week ago.
Can anyone argue with what?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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What everyone seems to forget is that when we leave (EU) we have to join (WTO). When we join we join as associate members as opposed to full members. We have to be approved by existing members - just like the 28 club we are in. Of course Argentina is going to say yes come on in mate? It's not going to be as easy as implied - but hey let's see. We have some amazing negotiators on here who will sort us out. Let's just see what it's like in 2019? |
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"What if the deal may gets with America is a bad one is she prepared to walk away from that one to?"
May seems to be putting all her eggs in one basket on regards the USA
Yet the orange buffoon has stated America first, no way is any trade deal with him going to be favourable to us.
He knows we are going to be desperate and will exploit that. Anyone who thinks different really needs a reality check. |
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"What everyone seems to forget is that when we leave (EU) we have to join (WTO). When we join we join as associate members as opposed to full members. We have to be approved by existing members - just like the 28 club we are in. Of course Argentina is going to say yes come on in mate? It's not going to be as easy as implied - but hey let's see. We have some amazing negotiators on here who will sort us out. Let's just see what it's like in 2019?"
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"Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense.
hilarious
Can I refer you to your first post when you said the US and EU woujd be involved in negotiations? And now you say its already agreed?
Yes it was 'agreed' in 2013 but it has only just been ratified by enough members that it can now come into force!
You can live in denial along with the other EU fanatics if you like but this now helps the UK. If we come away with no deal after negotiations with the EU and have to trade on WTO terms then those terms will be better than they were a week ago.
Can anyone argue with what?"
Arent you the sneaky mis-quoter?
My comment CLEARLY says we'd be majorly involved in FUTURE negotiations. I wasnt referring to this deal as well you know.
Talk about living in denial. You have to lie about the words written on this very page.
The FTA doesnt change the situation at all since anyone who knows anything about it knew this was coming.
And since you clearly know little about any of this. You do realise that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for some key British exports. How are British farmers going to compete with Irish farmers when their prices suddenly increase by 50%? Or are you relying on the good reputation of British beef to justify a 50% increase among EU consumers? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Theres an outstanding level of ignorance on display here from people who know literally nothing. Less than nothing in fact.
The agreement that came into force today was agreed in 2013. Thats 4 years ago. FOUR YEARS AGO. It has not one thing to do with Donald Trump and it doesnt effect the bargaining position for Brexit because people were already well aware of the deal since theyve been working on its implementation for the last four years.
Honestly, Im astounded at the complete lack of any basic knowledge of anything to do with international trade on display here from certain people who spend their time here trying to tell others they dont know what theyre talking about.
Id be embarassed to post such obvious nonsense.
hilarious
Can I refer you to your first post when you said the US and EU woujd be involved in negotiations? And now you say its already agreed?
Yes it was 'agreed' in 2013 but it has only just been ratified by enough members that it can now come into force!
You can live in denial along with the other EU fanatics if you like but this now helps the UK. If we come away with no deal after negotiations with the EU and have to trade on WTO terms then those terms will be better than they were a week ago.
Can anyone argue with what?
Arent you the sneaky mis-quoter?
My comment CLEARLY says we'd be majorly involved in FUTURE negotiations. I wasnt referring to this deal as well you know.
Talk about living in denial. You have to lie about the words written on this very page.
The FTA doesnt change the situation at all since anyone who knows anything about it knew this was coming.
And since you clearly know little about any of this. You do realise that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for some key British exports. How are British farmers going to compete with Irish farmers when their prices suddenly increase by 50%? Or are you relying on the good reputation of British beef to justify a 50% increase among EU consumers?"
I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you |
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you"
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you 
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU. |
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over a year ago
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU."
Britain is a member of the WTO as are all the other 27 countries of the EU then they have an extra seat as the EU. I really don't care what figures you come up with, the point is we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU than we were a week ago. True or false? |
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU.
Britain is a member of the WTO as are all the other 27 countries of the EU then they have an extra seat as the EU. I really don't care what figures you come up with, the point is we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU than we were a week ago. True or false?"
Britain is a member through the EUs membership. Once you leave the EU you will no longer be a member and will have to reapply.
You are in the exact same position as you were a week ago and a month ago. This has no bearing because everyone already knew about this.
Your bargaining position is this: If the EU doesnt make a trade deal with the UK then UK goods will be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The cost of goods from the EU to the UK will also be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
That is undisputably the position we're in. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't EU tariffs with 3rd countries already lower than the new highest possible tariffs by the WTO?
If that's the case, it wouldn't have the slightest impact on UK-EU trade relationships.
The WTO report says that this will help the 110 least developed nations, which of course doesn't include the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU.
Britain is a member of the WTO as are all the other 27 countries of the EU then they have an extra seat as the EU. I really don't care what figures you come up with, the point is we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU than we were a week ago. True or false?
Britain is a member through the EUs membership. Once you leave the EU you will no longer be a member and will have to reapply.
You are in the exact same position as you were a week ago and a month ago. This has no bearing because everyone already knew about this.
Your bargaining position is this: If the EU doesnt make a trade deal with the UK then UK goods will be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The cost of goods from the EU to the UK will also be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
That is undisputably the position we're in."
'The UK is a WTO member in its own right and does not need to reapply' - Maika Oshikawa, WTO head of accession negotiations. Now either he is wrong or you are. Which do you think it is? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU.
Britain is a member of the WTO as are all the other 27 countries of the EU then they have an extra seat as the EU. I really don't care what figures you come up with, the point is we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU than we were a week ago. True or false?
Britain is a member through the EUs membership. Once you leave the EU you will no longer be a member and will have to reapply.
You are in the exact same position as you were a week ago and a month ago. This has no bearing because everyone already knew about this.
Your bargaining position is this: If the EU doesnt make a trade deal with the UK then UK goods will be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The cost of goods from the EU to the UK will also be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
That is undisputably the position we're in.
'The UK is a WTO member in its own right and does not need to reapply' - Maika Oshikawa, WTO head of accession negotiations. Now either he is wrong or you are. Which do you think it is?"
Indeed the UK is a part of WTO, and will not need to re-join. However the UK uses the EU schedule of tariffs at the moment. So when the UK leaves the EU the UK will have to negotiate its own tariff schedule with all the members. I don't know what happens until then, or if we don't get a schedule in place in time.
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I don't think you understand it and ok I missed out FUTURE, but as the current deal took about 15 years to get ratified I don't think we need to worry about that quite yet, do you
Coincidence that you missed out the most important word and changed it from a correct sentence to one that suited you
So the situation is that WTO tariffs are as high as 50% for key British exports, Britain isnt even a member of the WTO yet and a more advantageous deal wouldnt get negotiated, ratified and implemented for possibly another 15 years.
Sounds like something to worry about to me. The WTO deals would cripple the UK economy. Every country has better deals with their closest trading partners than WTO, except the UK if it cant negotiate one with the EU.
Britain is a member of the WTO as are all the other 27 countries of the EU then they have an extra seat as the EU. I really don't care what figures you come up with, the point is we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU than we were a week ago. True or false?
Britain is a member through the EUs membership. Once you leave the EU you will no longer be a member and will have to reapply.
You are in the exact same position as you were a week ago and a month ago. This has no bearing because everyone already knew about this.
Your bargaining position is this: If the EU doesnt make a trade deal with the UK then UK goods will be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The cost of goods from the EU to the UK will also be subject to tariffs of up to 50%. The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
That is undisputably the position we're in."
This is true but what also is true is that with such hi tariffs the uk will just not but the French wine, pate' Italian wines ect |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
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The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU. "
True though it would probably mean a backwards step in quality & standards in many areas. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't EU tariffs with 3rd countries already lower than the new highest possible tariffs by the WTO?
If that's the case, it wouldn't have the slightest impact on UK-EU trade relationships.
The WTO report says that this will help the 110 least developed nations, which of course doesn't include the UK."
So as no one has corrected me, should I assume that everyone agrees with me? (I doubt the OP would agree with me if I said that the world wasn't flat) |
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By *oo hotCouple
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU. "
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
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Around 85% of UK small businesses don't trade with the EU but are hamstrung by having to conform to unnecessary EU regulation. Why should 85% of uk small businesses have to pander to the minority 15% that deal directly with the EU? It makes no logical sense what so ever. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
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But now they can buy and sell baby stuff to Laos, or specialise in luxury cars from Kazakhstan or Yemen, and recruit staff from Panama or the Central African Republic. I mean maybe they dont know anything about those countries, or have any contacts there, or know their legal and regulatory framework, or speak the language, but it will all be fine.
There is a saying in business "If you want to grow your business, tell all your customers to fuck off and find some new ones" if you follow that simple rule, you can't help but make millions. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
True though it would probably mean a backwards step in quality & standards in many areas."
It would lead to cheaper prices in the shops thats for sure. Besides Billions of consumers all over the world in large markets like the USA and China get by great with what you call 'a backwards step in quality and standards', I mean it's a wonder how billions of people manage to live and get by with these 'substandard goods' you think the rest of the world produce outside of the EU. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
Around 85% of UK small businesses don't trade with the EU but are hamstrung by having to conform to unnecessary EU regulation. Why should 85% of uk small businesses have to pander to the minority 15% that deal directly with the EU? It makes no logical sense what so ever. "
What kind of unnecessary regulation are you talking about? There must be a huge list of completely unnecessary regulation if you say it hampers business. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
Around 85% of UK small businesses don't trade with the EU but are hamstrung by having to conform to unnecessary EU regulation. Why should 85% of uk small businesses have to pander to the minority 15% that deal directly with the EU? It makes no logical sense what so ever.
What kind of unnecessary regulation are you talking about? There must be a huge list of completely unnecessary regulation if you say it hampers business. "
This was all covered during the referendum campaign and many small businesses who don't trade with the EU highlighted many EU regulations which they have to adhere to and add extra expense to their business but are not necessary for them to trade outside of the EU where the bulk of their business is. The top 100 EU regulations cost UK business £33.3 billion every single year. |
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
Around 85% of UK small businesses don't trade with the EU but are hamstrung by having to conform to unnecessary EU regulation. Why should 85% of uk small businesses have to pander to the minority 15% that deal directly with the EU? It makes no logical sense what so ever.
What kind of unnecessary regulation are you talking about? There must be a huge list of completely unnecessary regulation if you say it hampers business.
This was all covered during the referendum campaign and many small businesses who don't trade with the EU highlighted many EU regulations which they have to adhere to and add extra expense to their business but are not necessary for them to trade outside of the EU where the bulk of their business is. The top 100 EU regulations cost UK business £33.3 billion every single year. "
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The EU can replace UK goods with other EU countries goods. The UK cant replace all EU goods with UK goods.
The UK can replace EU goods with non EU goods from all over the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Try telling that to a business owner who has spent years building their business based on an open EU. I know of three personally who are facing big (and unnecessary) changes - one is a large retailer of prams, push chairs and baby mobility items. Another is a car repair centre that specialises in German cars and the other is a recruitment consultancy for service personnel.
Around 85% of UK small businesses don't trade with the EU but are hamstrung by having to conform to unnecessary EU regulation. Why should 85% of uk small businesses have to pander to the minority 15% that deal directly with the EU? It makes no logical sense what so ever.
What kind of unnecessary regulation are you talking about? There must be a huge list of completely unnecessary regulation if you say it hampers business.
This was all covered during the referendum campaign and many small businesses who don't trade with the EU highlighted many EU regulations which they have to adhere to and add extra expense to their business but are not necessary for them to trade outside of the EU where the bulk of their business is. The top 100 EU regulations cost UK business £33.3 billion every single year. "
You do realise that the vast majority of referendum campaign propaganda on both sides was fictitious bullshit....not just remain like you constantly try to imply
The quality and safety standards we have in Europe are some of the highest in the world but your happy to settle for less obviously.
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