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"What the EU will do is clearly laid out here, https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/policy/conditions-membership_en These rules on accession have been in use for some time now. An independent Scotland would need to apply and go through the same process as any other country. Do say otherwise would be pure speculation." The bigger question of when and how an independent Scotland could join the EU or retain its membership is extremely uncertain: there is no precedent for part of a member state retaining membership when the member state leaves. There is nothing in writing on this and a clause of uncertainty; nothing is as black as white as it appears in your link; I do believe we will all realise this over the next year or two | |||
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"This forum does not allow direct links, copy and paste it in your browser. Note the middle paragraph. " its written by a unionist  | |||
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"A European Unionist? Any thoughts on the content of the letter?" eh no; here is what he says - an extract: . I should first make my own position clear, since I am a Scot living in Scotland, and I will be one of those entitled to vote in the Referendum. I am a moderate unionist in the sense that I still believe in the United Kingdom and believe that Scotland should remain part of it | |||
"Today it is the d day for the second referendum voting, how do you reckon it will go? I think it will go through "It has been suspended until tomorrow due to the incident at Westminster | |||
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"Today it is the d day for the second referendum voting, how do you reckon it will go? I think it will go through
It has been suspended until tomorrow due to the incident at Westminster"That is right it have, it gives them more time and maibe an advantage. | |||
"We thought it was put to bed in the "once in a generation/lifetime" referendum in 2014 when over 2 million voted to remain a part of the United Kingdom. The snp are not Scotland, they are hijacking Unionist voters who voted to remain in the EU to then assert that this is support for independence. I assure you, it is not." Who is the "WE" you are referring to? Is is you and the Muppet kezia dugdale? You and Ruth Davidson, or willie rennie none have good standing in Scotland. And you will realise it is not only the SNP shouting for independence so why single them out The people of Scotland will decide | |||
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"The reason I am singling out the snp on this issue is that the current debate is due to the snp minority governments proposal to seek a section 30 order of the Scotland act 1998, so they can legislate to hold one. Its is their responsibility, no one elses. " you just love that word "minority" ehhh 
and its not much of a minority, there is no other party close to them or indeed a threat
and whys that?
because the people of Scotland voted them in after reading their manifesto
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"SNP and Ukip Same thing just different colours riding on the wave of populism wake up and think of the the big picture " Two cheeks of the same arse.  | |||
"SNP and Ukip Same thing just different colours riding on the wave of populism wake up and think of the the big picture " that wave of populism has been flowing high from 1975 onwards | |||
"The fact that they are a minority government, the fact that the greens, who will vote with the snp minority government despite having a manifesto that stated that before they would do such a thing, they would seek a petition from one million voters on the electoral role. Making Patrick Harvie look like a stooge for the snp. The man and his party are complete hypocrites, his statement that “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage" rings quite hollow now. This is not the will of the people, it is the will of a minority government elected by 25% of the electorate." Get a grip! I wouldn't want to think of you as one of those Union Jack waving, Nazi salute giving neo Fascists that celebrated the result of the last Independence result in George Square but you're increasingly sounding like it. You know perfectly well that the voting setup for the Scottish Parliament was constructed in such a way as to give no one party an overall majority. The fact that the SNP achieved this in the last parliament shows their level of support. Have you also forgotten that every single Scottish seat at Westminster bar 3 went to the SNP at the last General Election. If Holyrood was elected in the same way as Westminster I don't doubt the SNP would have an unassailable majority. There is absolutely no point in saying 'only 25% of the electorate' because you're never going to get a 100% turn out. They were elected by the people that bothered to turn up and vote as were the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and, yes, even the Green MSP's who all got less votes. That's how it works. | |||
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"The fact that they are a minority government, the fact that the greens, who will vote with the snp minority government despite having a manifesto that stated that before they would do such a thing, they would seek a petition from one million voters on the electoral role. Making Patrick Harvie look like a stooge for the snp. The man and his party are complete hypocrites, his statement that “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage" rings quite hollow now. This is not the will of the people, it is the will of a minority government elected by 25% of the electorate. Get a grip! I wouldn't want to think of you as one of those Union Jack waving, Nazi salute giving neo Fascists that celebrated the result of the last Independence result in George Square but you're increasingly sounding like it. You know perfectly well that the voting setup for the Scottish Parliament was constructed in such a way as to give no one party an overall majority. The fact that the SNP achieved this in the last parliament shows their level of support. Have you also forgotten that every single Scottish seat at Westminster bar 3 went to the SNP at the last General Election. If Holyrood was elected in the same way as Westminster I don't doubt the SNP would have an unassailable majority. There is absolutely no point in saying 'only 25% of the electorate' because you're never going to get a 100% turn out. They were elected by the people that bothered to turn up and vote as were the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and, yes, even the Green MSP's who all got less votes. That's how it works. " If the 2015 GE had been run under a PR system, then the SNP would have got 31 seats in parliament. UKIP would have had 82 seats! Just a fact, not an opinion! | |||
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"The fact that they are a minority government, the fact that the greens, who will vote with the snp minority government despite having a manifesto that stated that before they would do such a thing, they would seek a petition from one million voters on the electoral role. Making Patrick Harvie look like a stooge for the snp. The man and his party are complete hypocrites, his statement that “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage" rings quite hollow now. This is not the will of the people, it is the will of a minority government elected by 25% of the electorate." Ha ha, very good, but not worth the effort of a serious response. Is your name perhaps David Mundell or fellow tory Murdo Fraser? | |||
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"The fact that they are a minority government, the fact that the greens, who will vote with the snp minority government despite having a manifesto that stated that before they would do such a thing, they would seek a petition from one million voters on the electoral role. Making Patrick Harvie look like a stooge for the snp. The man and his party are complete hypocrites, his statement that “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage" rings quite hollow now. This is not the will of the people, it is the will of a minority government elected by 25% of the electorate. Get a grip! I wouldn't want to think of you as one of those Union Jack waving, Nazi salute giving neo Fascists that celebrated the result of the last Independence result in George Square but you're increasingly sounding like it. You know perfectly well that the voting setup for the Scottish Parliament was constructed in such a way as to give no one party an overall majority. The fact that the SNP achieved this in the last parliament shows their level of support. Have you also forgotten that every single Scottish seat at Westminster bar 3 went to the SNP at the last General Election. If Holyrood was elected in the same way as Westminster I don't doubt the SNP would have an unassailable majority. There is absolutely no point in saying 'only 25% of the electorate' because you're never going to get a 100% turn out. They were elected by the people that bothered to turn up and vote as were the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and, yes, even the Green MSP's who all got less votes. That's how it works. If the 2015 GE had been run under a PR system, then the SNP would have got 31 seats in parliament. UKIP would have had 82 seats! Just a fact, not an opinion! " I'm not disputing that. What I'm trying to point out is that were the Scottish Parliament elected on a first past the post system like Westminster, the SNP would have a majority. Despite the fact I loath UKIP and all it stands for I also believe that PR is a better, more representative means of electing MPs. My argument was intended to counter the claim that 'only 25% of the Scottish electorate' voted SNP. | |||
"Tina, instead of smearing me as a nazi, could you try and refute what I post using facts rather than resort to Ad hominem. No amount of unfounded insults will silence me on this issue." Firstly, I didn't smear you as a Nazi, I said 'I wouldn't want to compare you' to a rabid group of Unionists that gave Nazi salutes. Not exactly the same thing, is it? As for countering you rather poor argument, I did try to point out that there is not point in claiming 'only 25%' of the electorate voted SNP and the reasons why it is irrelevant. You're the one taking the usual Unionist 'King Canute'view of the rising tide. | |||
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"The fact that they are a minority government, the fact that the greens, who will vote with the snp minority government despite having a manifesto that stated that before they would do such a thing, they would seek a petition from one million voters on the electoral role. Making Patrick Harvie look like a stooge for the snp. The man and his party are complete hypocrites, his statement that “If a new referendum is to happen, it should come about by the will of the people, and not be driven by calculation of party political advantage" rings quite hollow now. This is not the will of the people, it is the will of a minority government elected by 25% of the electorate." You do know even if all 6 Green MSP#s abstain the vote will still pass with SNP 63 MSP's As all pro union parites in Scotland will only get 60 in total And even that to try and go down the Green manifesto crap is unreal as the Tories clearly said in their 2015 manifesto to keep the single market so why the hell does no one care about that wee broken promise from the Tories So am interested in knowing this who does speak for Scotland ? As people seem to think Nicola doesnt and the SNP doesnt so who does speak for Scotland ? | |||
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"My mentioning of the green manifesto is "crap" yet you mention tory manifesto in return. Is that double standards? The greens are just the same as the tories then? Are they both liars. " So a pro indy party is not allowed to vote to allow an independence referendum to happen when that party is also pro EU. The thing is the Tories who as of this moment are the UK government promised to keep the single market now they dont care and no one seems to care about that its leave the EU at any cost. The Scottish people have the right to decide on if they thing the brexit deal is good for them of if they prefer a independent Scotland. | |||
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"The people decided, take it up with them. Unless you think they should disregard the vote and carry on. " No i think you will see i said the Scottish people should have the right to decide on if we agree on the brexit deal or if Scotland should be an independent country. i see the unionist parties are claiming the SNP have no mandate for a 2nd independence referendum how low will they go before they get wiped out in Scotland. They must love taking the pish out of themselves by claiming the SNP have no mandate are they then saying they have a mandate in Scotland as i could have swore in the Scottish elections in 2016 none of the unionist parties got voted in as the government therefore they have no mandate and on Tuesday with or without the Greens a 2nd independence referendum will in Holyrood and there is the clear mandate the Scottish government will have and for an unelected PM to block it offtt that would be unwise as she does not stand on a manifesto of her own and NO mandate it plays into the SNP and YES movements hands. You can see how shite feart the Tories are cling on to any old piss to stop independence the EU were clear 18 monthst which would be OCT 2018 and that is well within the time the SNP plan to hold another referedendum so people in Scotland will know the final deal on brexit. The Tories have gone and fucked up | |||
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"We voted as individuals not as a country. The vote was on the UK,s EU status not Scotlands. Trouble with having a vote on it is we might reject the Brexit deal and then choose to stay with UK. Then where will we be? The snp cannot offer EU membership as we don't comply with the rules of accession, so what do they have to offer except independence? Independence outside both the UK and the EU is the worst possible outcome and would be an absolute disaster for Scotland. But as we know the snp do say that inependence transcends all, we know EU exit is just an excuse. And the PM is elected, as she is an MP. Just like St Nicola when she inherited ecks job after his humiliation when Scotland rejected his doomed referendum. I, d be interested to know, who did you vote for to be PM? " I live in Scotland, I voted for the SNP, you know as I know, the snp are the only party who have Scotlands interests at heart and put Scotland first. I may not agree with all their policies, especially their views on firearm Law, but I do know they are the only party who put Scotland's interests first, unlike Scottish Labour & Conservative Ruth. Does anyone actually believe Ruth Davidson or Kezia Dugdale could do a better job as first minister of Scotland, they are simply puppets for their Westminster masters | |||
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"Tell me why do some scots want independence? Specifically I mean!" A wish to see the countries of Scotland and England stand together as equals. “There is a difference between partnership and subordination – the first encourages mutual respect, the second breeds resentment.” What is wrong with an Independent Scotland working along with England as two equals, as partners a truly "United" UK as equals. no if's no buts. | |||
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"We voted as individuals not as a country. The vote was on the UK,s EU status not Scotlands. Trouble with having a vote on it is we might reject the Brexit deal and then choose to stay with UK. Then where will we be? The snp cannot offer EU membership as we don't comply with the rules of accession, so what do they have to offer except independence? Independence outside both the UK and the EU is the worst possible outcome and would be an absolute disaster for Scotland. But as we know the snp do say that inependence transcends all, we know EU exit is just an excuse. And the PM is elected, as she is an MP. Just like St Nicola when she inherited ecks job after his humiliation when Scotland rejected his doomed referendum. I, d be interested to know, who did you vote for to be PM? " Right so is Scotland majority of 62% of remain voters being listened too by the PM ? I thought she said before she triggered article 50 she will look for a UK wide agreement Scotland doesnt NOT agree with her plans to leave the single market how is that listening and respecting our votes ? No She is NOT elected tell me what manifesto she stands on ? She does not have a mandate that is very clear. The problem is Nicola was elected in 2016 when the SNP won the Scottish election Its getting boring listening to this it was a UK vote yes thats true it was a UK vote but lets take a walk down memory lane back in 2014 the NO camp said vote NO and EU will be safe in the UK now fast forward to the present day and the EU is no longer safe in the UK so the Scottish people have every right to decide on what they want as the NO camp have broken their promise that the EU would be safe in the UK No voters have every right to change their minds. I dont get the big deal anyone that is pro union will still get to vote no in another independence referendum if thats what you want but you cant tell people they cant change their minds on independence if that think its the better opinion nothing wrong will finding out what the Tories have planned for brexit and then let the Scottish people decide on whats better in the UK out of the EU of an independent Scotland in the EU. | |||
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"Scotland did not vote as a country, it was individuals that voted. And they voted on the UK,s status in the EU not Scotlands. YOU are convieniently forgetting the 2 million that voted to stay in the UK. And we knew full well at the time that the EU ref was likely, even the snp white paper warned of it. And you, presumably, a yes voter voted yes knowing that our EU membership status would have ceased on the day of independence, that would have been in March last year. Leaving the EU never bothered you then so why the faux concern now? And what exactly is the point of the next vote? I see it, it's a choice between a so called hard brexit (worst case scenario) versus an equally hard Scottish exit from both the EU and the UK. That's based on known facts. It offers isolation and no prospect of rejoining the EU in the near future. A decade at least maybe. Who in their right mind would vote for that? And we haven't even started on the general economy, which has weakened significantly since the last on. No one votes to be worse off. Scotland certainly wouldn't. It's not that daft or blinded to facts by the nationalist cultists. " That 2 million you are on about were told a no vote would mean the EU would be safe in the UK now its not safe in the UK and those no voters are allowed to change their minds if they want. In 2014 none from the unionists were going about telling people there will be a EU referendum they were they going about telling people to vote no to make sure the EU would be safe in the UK. Again scare stories in 2014 a yes vote would not mean being out of the EU again if there was a yes vote in 2014 there would have been 2 years of talks with the UK and the EU so to say anyone would know 100% what those talks would have been at the very end must have some amount of powers that they can see into the future. Never bothered me ? No i have always been pro EU yes it needs reformed no doubt on that but the EU do alot of good things hell the EU didnt privatise alot of things in the UK that would be Westminster governments doing that. Have you seen the EU chiefs saying they would welcome a independent Scotland and fast track Scotland in the EU ? The union as in the UK is running out of scare stories and i find it sad that all the UK pro unionist parties have got to offer is to put Scotland down and tell us we need the broad shoulders of the UK to help us out that would be the UK that is in trillions of debt and that UK government is only adding to the debt by borrowing more and more and not meeting targets. | |||
"Scotland did not vote as a country, it was individuals that voted. And they voted on the UK,s status in the EU not Scotlands. YOU are convieniently forgetting the 2 million that voted to stay in the UK. And we knew full well at the time that the EU ref was likely, even the snp white paper warned of it. And you, presumably, a yes voter voted yes knowing that our EU membership status would have ceased on the day of independence, that would have been in March last year. Leaving the EU never bothered you then so why the faux concern now? And what exactly is the point of the next vote? I see it, it's a choice between a so called hard brexit (worst case scenario) versus an equally hard Scottish exit from both the EU and the UK. That's based on known facts. It offers isolation and no prospect of rejoining the EU in the near future. A decade at least maybe. Who in their right mind would vote for that? And we haven't even started on the general economy, which has weakened significantly since the last on. No one votes to be worse off. Scotland certainly wouldn't. It's not that daft or blinded to facts by the nationalist cultists. That 2 million you are on about were told a no vote would mean the EU would be safe in the UK now its not safe in the UK and those no voters are allowed to change their minds if they want. In 2014 none from the unionists were going about telling people there will be a EU referendum they were they going about telling people to vote no to make sure the EU would be safe in the UK. Again scare stories in 2014 a yes vote would not mean being out of the EU again if there was a yes vote in 2014 there would have been 2 years of talks with the UK and the EU so to say anyone would know 100% what those talks would have been at the very end must have some amount of powers that they can see into the future. Never bothered me ? No i have always been pro EU yes it needs reformed no doubt on that but the EU do alot of good things hell the EU didnt privatise alot of things in the UK that would be Westminster governments doing that. Have you seen the EU chiefs saying they would welcome a independent Scotland and fast track Scotland in the EU ? The union as in the UK is running out of scare stories and i find it sad that all the UK pro unionist parties have got to offer is to put Scotland down and tell us we need the broad shoulders of the UK to help us out that would be the UK that is in trillions of debt and that UK government is only adding to the debt by borrowing more and more and not meeting targets. " Remember There is no oil in Scotland Reported new finds today are lies Fake News Fake News | |||
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"I think it damages Scotland for investment as who knows what the future economic landscape would look like. Granted Brexit doesn't help, nor would another indy ref. It would just be pouring petrol on an already burning fire. And I don't think the people actually want one, the snp had a national survey recently and haven't even shared the results of it. Now I find that strange, if it was positive they would produce it and would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that it is forgotten and swept under the carpet speaks volumes. Their silence on it is deafening. We had one, a once in a generation/lifetime referendum that asked if we wished to be independent. We responded with the greatest turnout in history to return a no vote. We wanted to stay in the UK. A decisive result to be respected. We hoped. Why are those over 2 million voters being ignored? Conflating two different referenda to form the opinion that the 2 million have changed their minds is ludicrous and there is no evidence to support it. A no vote was a no vote, a remain vote was to remain. A remain vote was not a vote for Scottish independence. And should not be taken as such. " Well, lets just not bother voting for anything ever again! What an idiotic suggestion. | |||
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"When scotland becomes independent are we entitled to the same percentage of uk assets ? Surley we should be if we have to pay our part of the uk debt " yes indeed that has already been agreed, we also keep the oil, which should not worry anyone, because Westminster says there is none, so they cant whinge when we keep it | |||
"When scotland becomes independent are we entitled to the same percentage of uk assets ? Surley we should be if we have to pay our part of the uk debt yes indeed that has already been agreed, we also keep the oil, which should not worry anyone, because Westminster says there is none, so they cant whinge when we keep it" . Were only waiting for you to piss off with your free everything and then we'll frack that trillion barrels that are under London according to another oil company?? | |||
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"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? " No..... | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? " And of course if you don't like it here you can always bugger off back to Sweden...... | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? No....." I guess it depends of how they view democracy. | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? " No one has denied it. Any referendum is legally a "reserved" issue which means it's the UK Parliament's right to grant one at the "time of their choosing". As I've said all along, Scotland will not get a legally binding referendum until 2021. | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? No.....I guess it depends of how they view democracy." As I said, if you really believe we are turning into a dictatorship then why stay here?..... | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? No one has denied it. Any referendum is legally a "reserved" issue which means it's the UK Parliament's right to grant one at the "time of their choosing". As I've said all along, Scotland will not get a legally binding referendum until 2021." That is good, so few more more years. | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? " Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? | |||
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"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? " | |||
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"I think it damages Scotland for investment as who knows what the future economic landscape would look like. Granted Brexit doesn't help, nor would another indy ref. It would just be pouring petrol on an already burning fire. And I don't think the people actually want one, the snp had a national survey recently and haven't even shared the results of it. Now I find that strange, if it was positive they would produce it and would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that it is forgotten and swept under the carpet speaks volumes. Their silence on it is deafening. We had one, a once in a generation/lifetime referendum that asked if we wished to be independent. We responded with the greatest turnout in history to return a no vote. We wanted to stay in the UK. A decisive result to be respected. We hoped. Why are those over 2 million voters being ignored? Conflating two different referenda to form the opinion that the 2 million have changed their minds is ludicrous and there is no evidence to support it. A no vote was a no vote, a remain vote was to remain. A remain vote was not a vote for Scottish independence. And should not be taken as such. Well, lets just not bother voting for anything ever again! What an idiotic suggestion." It was once in a generation/LIFETIME opportunity! Europe ref in 1975, and another in 2016. Thats a fair bit of time between them. #indyref2 in 40 year? | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? " They are the only party full stop, to put Scotland first and fight for the rights of Scotland all other parties are run by puppets controlled by Westminster (ruth Davidson, kezia dugdale) | |||
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"Today; Tuesday 28th March, the topic of conversation will evolve around the number of 69 why is 69 so good today "I'm guessing its the number of MSPs voting to hold another independence referendum? | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? They are the only party full stop, to put Scotland first and fight for the rights of Scotland all other parties are run by puppets controlled by Westminster (ruth Davidson, kezia dugdale) ". This is the bit i cant get my head round, Scottish MPs sit in Westminster as a representative of Scottish people, Scotland is part of Westminster, its your government as well as mine | |||
"I think it damages Scotland for investment as who knows what the future economic landscape would look like. Granted Brexit doesn't help, nor would another indy ref. It would just be pouring petrol on an already burning fire. And I don't think the people actually want one, the snp had a national survey recently and haven't even shared the results of it. Now I find that strange, if it was positive they would produce it and would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that it is forgotten and swept under the carpet speaks volumes. Their silence on it is deafening. We had one, a once in a generation/lifetime referendum that asked if we wished to be independent. We responded with the greatest turnout in history to return a no vote. We wanted to stay in the UK. A decisive result to be respected. We hoped. Why are those over 2 million voters being ignored? Conflating two different referenda to form the opinion that the 2 million have changed their minds is ludicrous and there is no evidence to support it. A no vote was a no vote, a remain vote was to remain. A remain vote was not a vote for Scottish independence. And should not be taken as such. Well, lets just not bother voting for anything ever again! What an idiotic suggestion. It was once in a generation/LIFETIME opportunity! Europe ref in 1975, and another in 2016. Thats a fair bit of time between them. #indyref2 in 40 year? " What part of being lied to dont you get? That is why we are having another one wether unionists like it or not the unionist parties have no one to blame but themselves for bringing it to this ,we will be having a referendum in 2019 | |||
"Today; Tuesday 28th March, the topic of conversation will evolve around the number of 69 why is 69 so good today
I'm guessing its the number of MSPs voting to hold another independence referendum?"indeed 63 snp 6 greens | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? They are the only party full stop, to put Scotland first and fight for the rights of Scotland all other parties are run by puppets controlled by Westminster (ruth Davidson, kezia dugdale) .
This is the bit i cant get my head round, Scottish MPs sit in Westminster as a representative of Scottish people, Scotland is part of Westminster, its your government as well as mine"What I can't get my head around is the fact that the SNP won all but 3 of the Scottish seats at the last general election and hold the most seats in the Scottish parliament yet some people still seem to insist that they don't speak for the people of Scotland. The SNP will never win a majority in the Houses of Parliament as they'll only ever stand in Scottish seats. So how do they then make the voice of the Scottish people whom they represent heard and, more importantly, listened to. At the moment, that's plainly not happening. | |||
"I think it damages Scotland for investment as who knows what the future economic landscape would look like. Granted Brexit doesn't help, nor would another indy ref. It would just be pouring petrol on an already burning fire. And I don't think the people actually want one, the snp had a national survey recently and haven't even shared the results of it. Now I find that strange, if it was positive they would produce it and would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that it is forgotten and swept under the carpet speaks volumes. Their silence on it is deafening. We had one, a once in a generation/lifetime referendum that asked if we wished to be independent. We responded with the greatest turnout in history to return a no vote. We wanted to stay in the UK. A decisive result to be respected. We hoped. Why are those over 2 million voters being ignored? Conflating two different referenda to form the opinion that the 2 million have changed their minds is ludicrous and there is no evidence to support it. A no vote was a no vote, a remain vote was to remain. A remain vote was not a vote for Scottish independence. And should not be taken as such. Well, lets just not bother voting for anything ever again! What an idiotic suggestion. It was once in a generation/LIFETIME opportunity! Europe ref in 1975, and another in 2016. Thats a fair bit of time between them. #indyref2 in 40 year? What part of being lied to dont you get? That is why we are having another one wether unionists like it or not the unionist parties have no one to blame but themselves for bringing it to this ,we will be having a referendum in 2019 " . All this talk of unionist and nationalist parties, For a minute i thought i was back on that Northern Ireland thread! Certainly feels like it with some of the rhetoric spouted on here | |||
"Isnt it the start of dictatorship by denying their right for a referendum? Yes is the answer. When one country votes to elect a party on a manifesto policy that if a change happens then it should have the right call a referendum that is a mandate I will ask again if people think the SNP do not speak for Scotland then who do you think then does speak for Scotland ? They are the only party full stop, to put Scotland first and fight for the rights of Scotland all other parties are run by puppets controlled by Westminster (ruth Davidson, kezia dugdale) .
This is the bit i cant get my head round, Scottish MPs sit in Westminster as a representative of Scottish people, Scotland is part of Westminster, its your government as well as mine
What I can't get my head around is the fact that the SNP won all but 3 of the Scottish seats at the last general election and hold the most seats in the Scottish parliament yet some people still seem to insist that they don't speak for the people of Scotland.
The SNP will never win a majority in the Houses of Parliament as they'll only ever stand in Scottish seats. So how do they then make the voice of the Scottish people whom they represent heard and, more importantly, listened to. At the moment, that's plainly not happening. ". Its called representation by numbers, your like what 4 million population? , See you are represented, your just outvoted, thats called democracy, no malice just a simple numbers game, if you had another 47 million people living in Scotland you would be on par voting wise | |||
"I think it damages Scotland for investment as who knows what the future economic landscape would look like. Granted Brexit doesn't help, nor would another indy ref. It would just be pouring petrol on an already burning fire. And I don't think the people actually want one, the snp had a national survey recently and haven't even shared the results of it. Now I find that strange, if it was positive they would produce it and would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that it is forgotten and swept under the carpet speaks volumes. Their silence on it is deafening. We had one, a once in a generation/lifetime referendum that asked if we wished to be independent. We responded with the greatest turnout in history to return a no vote. We wanted to stay in the UK. A decisive result to be respected. We hoped. Why are those over 2 million voters being ignored? Conflating two different referenda to form the opinion that the 2 million have changed their minds is ludicrous and there is no evidence to support it. A no vote was a no vote, a remain vote was to remain. A remain vote was not a vote for Scottish independence. And should not be taken as such. Well, lets just not bother voting for anything ever again! What an idiotic suggestion. It was once in a generation/LIFETIME opportunity! Europe ref in 1975, and another in 2016. Thats a fair bit of time between them. #indyref2 in 40 year? What part of being lied to dont you get? That is why we are having another one wether unionists like it or not the unionist parties have no one to blame but themselves for bringing it to this ,we will be having a referendum in 2019 . All this talk of unionist and nationalist parties, For a minute i thought i was back on that Northern Ireland thread! Certainly feels like it with some of the rhetoric spouted on here" Thats just the way it is unionists voting to stay part of uk nationalists wanting independence dont see the big deal about it | |||
