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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
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over a year ago
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Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing') |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing') "
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing') "
Do you really honestly think the intelligence services go about their day saying "oh, no, let's not nab him, some lefties might get upset". Seriously? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
Do you really honestly think the intelligence services go about their day saying "oh, no, let's not nab him, some lefties might get upset". Seriously? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.
-Matt"
How much? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
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I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere about UKIP and the EU and toasters.
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By *anesjhCouple
over a year ago
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
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....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east. |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
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We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists"
Of course we don't. Privatising and selling off everything they can get their hands on. Dismantling public services. Tax breaks to the corporations and rich. Even soon maybe voting on fox hunting. Not right wing at all!
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists"
You have a very right wing government. |
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east."
The Tories backed the Iraq war, which makes "Yeah but what did your team do!" even more useless and unproductive than it normally is. |
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By *anesjhCouple
over a year ago
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east.
The Tories backed the Iraq war, which makes "Yeah but what did your team do!" even more useless and unproductive than it normally is. "
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over a year ago
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east.
The Tories backed the Iraq war, which makes "Yeah but what did your team do!" even more useless and unproductive than it normally is. "
Parliament....the MPs were who backed the Iraq war. Not any particular party...... after being fed a pack of lies by Tony Bliar....... |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing') "
Complete and utter crock..
Feckin hilarious that you actually think like that..  |
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east."
Libya?
Well that was soppy bollock's Cameron.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists"
Civil services are not meant to be left or right, they act in the interest of the population and government. The point of a secular and democratic nation is to have a law and judiciary system which is neutral and acts based on evidence.
If you want a politically biased or left/right leaning police and law system, move to a fascist or communist country. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists
You have a very right wing government."
And I'm fairly sure that quite a few Labour MPs voted against action in Iraq.
Let me just think of their names..... |
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east."
I believe it was Thatcher and Major. Arming Afganistan for the cold war and also with Libya and Iraq in the later years |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
Complete and utter crock..
Feckin hilarious that you actually think like that.. "
She mistook Philippines for Spain. Trump loves Philippines ways. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
Complete and utter crock..
Feckin hilarious that you actually think like that.. "
Really? So what should be done about UK citizens returning from fighting in Iraq and Syria for example? And how many terrorist attacks have Spain suffered since the Madrid train bombing? They don't take any chances because of a fear in the drop in tourism |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
Complete and utter crock..
Feckin hilarious that you actually think like that..
Really? So what should be done about UK citizens returning from fighting in Iraq and Syria for example? And how many terrorist attacks have Spain suffered since the Madrid train bombing? They don't take any chances because of a fear in the drop in tourism"
At least three more. The disarmament only happened last year. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
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I suggest a read up on the LIFG and how it was born.
Are they active in Manchester? Maybe we might get an insight soon.
MI5 and GCHQ are not political. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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So if MI5 arrested this bastard and locked him up what would they have charge him with ? Or should they have sent him to guantanamo bay so he could have come back and sued us for millions, its easy to be clever in hindsight, I wonder which party would have kicked up the most fuss about arresting "innocent" muslims |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"So if MI5 arrested this bastard and locked him up what would they have charge him with ? Or should they have sent him to guantanamo bay so he could have come back and sued us for millions, its easy to be clever in hindsight, I wonder which party would have kicked up the most fuss about arresting "innocent" muslims "
And that's the problem with lone suicide bombers - it'd be hard to stop them, unless we had concrete evidence tat they were in the act of making the bomb or going to detonate it. Even then they would be hard to stop because they don't really advertise their presence until its too late.
However, we do know that ISIS prey on disillusioned and disenfranchised youth - maybe it is alienation amongst young muslims that we need to be addressing. |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
Complete and utter crock..
Feckin hilarious that you actually think like that..
Really? So what should be done about UK citizens returning from fighting in Iraq and Syria for example? And how many terrorist attacks have Spain suffered since the Madrid train bombing? They don't take any chances because of a fear in the drop in tourism"
personally i would like someone to have had the bollocks to say to those leaving to fight for IS that they will not be welcome back and if they choose to do so then they are locked up and their families fund that directly..
this is not the same as when those on the left in the main went to join the International brigade and fight the fascists in the 30's..
your point that some sort of pc liberal do gooders have effected the security services in their job in protecting us is laughable and without any foundation..
the truth is that they as with the border agencies, police, fire service, HSE and the NHS has been cut under Osborne and Camerons austerity since 2010..
not saying that if there had been no cuts at all then no attacks would have taken place but those professionals have been saying they are short for the last couple of years and have been ignored..
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May I point an unpleasant truth out...
While so many are pointing fingers of blame at the police and security services. They have all seen their budgets slashed in recent years by politicians. However for the most part they are still be keeping us safe.
People here are saying he was known he should have been under surveillance. Obviously he was not, therefore it is safe to assume that our 'watchers' had been tasked to shadow risks deemed to be much more dangerous. Watchers cannot be in 2 (or more) places at the same time and it requires a team of over 100 to keep a single person under total surveillance 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If blame for this bombing lays anywhere it lays with the Tories and their cuts over the last 7 years, but regardless of how much I dislike Tory politicians I refuse to blame them for this because I do not have all the facts. All I do know is our security services need to intercept every attack to stop the Jihadists and that is impossible. |
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over a year ago
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"We should never of took any one back into the uk who went to Syria or Iraq anyone who wanted to go we should of payed for there flight "
ok so where exactly can you deport and English citerzen to?
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"We should never of took any one back into the uk who went to Syria or Iraq anyone who wanted to go we should of payed for there flight ok so where exactly can you deport and English citerzen to?"
If they've been fighting for Isis, the gallows |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
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This wad mooted in the french media regarding attacks in france.
The authorities knew them and had them on radar.. So there may possibly be a balancing act as when to say 'we have enough intel lets arrest them' or not |
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"We should never of took any one back into the uk who went to Syria or Iraq anyone who wanted to go we should of payed for there flight ok so where exactly can you deport and English citerzen to?
If they've been fighting for Isis, the gallows"
if there was no invasion of Iraq there would of been no isis fact...so there would of been no one for him to go fight with |
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"We should never of took any one back into the uk who went to Syria or Iraq anyone who wanted to go we should of payed for there flight ok so where exactly can you deport and English citerzen to?"
my firm belief is that if you have allied yourself to an organisation who has a record of terrorism here then you have in effect turned your back upon this country and no longer qualify as a citizen..
stay there or if you do come back you are incarcerated for several years and your family pay for that..
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"Internment must be considered now !
I know it isn't perfect !
But what is ? "
internment failed in the 70's and only served to act as a recruiting tool for the IRA, blanket sweeping up of any group is counter productive..
we don't give all 18 year old's in one street an asbo because one 18 year old has one.. |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere about UKIP and the EU and toasters.
-Matt"
Funny you bring up Ukip as the OP's post seems to have been inspired by the speech Paul Nuttall made at the launch of the Ukip manifesto today. All the people on here criticising Theresa May and the tories are in full agreement with what Ukip said today. |
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"We should never of took any one back into the uk who went to Syria or Iraq anyone who wanted to go we should of payed for there flight ok so where exactly can you deport and English citerzen to?
my firm belief is that if you have allied yourself to an organisation who has a record of terrorism here then you have in effect turned your back upon this country and no longer qualify as a citizen..
stay there or if you do come back you are incarcerated for several years and your family pay for that..
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Don't agree with you often but am in full agreement with you on this particular point.  |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere about UKIP and the EU and toasters.
-Matt
Funny you bring up Ukip as the OP's post seems to have been inspired by the speech Paul Nuttall made at the launch of the Ukip manifesto today. All the people on here criticising Theresa May and the tories are in full agreement with what Ukip said today. "
UKIP will take votes from both parties now. |
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east."
Tony Blair. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
....Who was prime minister when they kicked the hornets nest in the middle east.
Tony Blair. "
On which specific occasiion? You could easily say John Major.... |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists
You have a very right wing government.
And I'm fairly sure that quite a few Labour MPs voted against action in Iraq.
Let me just think of their names..... "
Well one was George Galloway, who was thrown out of the Labour party for his opposition to the Iraq war and his firm criticism of Tony Blair. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists
You have a very right wing government.
And I'm fairly sure that quite a few Labour MPs voted against action in Iraq.
Let me just think of their names.....
Well one was George Galloway, who was thrown out of the Labour party for his opposition to the Iraq war and his firm criticism of Tony Blair. "
Yes, yes it was. Can you think of any others? |
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"So if MI5 arrested this bastard and locked him up what would they have charge him with ? Or should they have sent him to guantanamo bay so he could have come back and sued us for millions, its easy to be clever in hindsight, I wonder which party would have kicked up the most fuss about arresting "innocent" muslims "
That would be a toss up between Labour, SNP, Lib dems or The Greens. |
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"Internment must be considered now !
I know it isn't perfect !
But what is ? "
So your solution is to try something that was done before that backfired completely. Thats not very clever now is it?
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing')
So with a right wing government in charge its still the fault of the left wing. If May burnt her toast would that be the fault of the liberals too?
We don't have a right wing government or police force, they are too busy meeting quotas to catch terrorists
You have a very right wing government.
And I'm fairly sure that quite a few Labour MPs voted against action in Iraq.
Let me just think of their names.....
Well one was George Galloway, who was thrown out of the Labour party for his opposition to the Iraq war and his firm criticism of Tony Blair.
Yes, yes it was. Can you think of any others?"
I already named a few. Arming Afghanistan was Thatcher. Libya was Thatcher. Iraq was John Major. Doint forget their American counter parts. |
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"So if MI5 arrested this bastard and locked him up what would they have charge him with ? Or should they have sent him to guantanamo bay so he could have come back and sued us for millions, its easy to be clever in hindsight, I wonder which party would have kicked up the most fuss about arresting "innocent" muslim"
Minority Report comes to mind. Thankfully we live in a democracy. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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Interesting article on the BBC news app. Details the huge task facing security services. Around 3000 people "on the radar". It's not physically possible to watch them all. I know some people must point fingers and blame someone, we'd need to recruit many thousands of new agents to watch all of them, can't afford that and people would gripe about police states and being watched...... Our intelligence and security services do a damn good job but they aren't perfect. And sometimes one mistake leads to the sort of atrocity seen this week.  |
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"Interesting article on the BBC news app. Details the huge task facing security services. Around 3000 people "on the radar". It's not physically possible to watch them all. I know some people must point fingers and blame someone, we'd need to recruit many thousands of new agents to watch all of them, can't afford that and people would gripe about police states and being watched...... Our intelligence and security services do a damn good job but they aren't perfect. And sometimes one mistake leads to the sort of atrocity seen this week. "
Ita a tough job and very resource heavy. But if there hadnt been cuts made over the last few years... |
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"Interesting article on the BBC news app. Details the huge task facing security services. Around 3000 people "on the radar". It's not physically possible to watch them all. I know some people must point fingers and blame someone, we'd need to recruit many thousands of new agents to watch all of them, can't afford that and people would gripe about police states and being watched...... Our intelligence and security services do a damn good job but they aren't perfect. And sometimes one mistake leads to the sort of atrocity seen this week.
Ita a tough job and very resource heavy. But if there hadnt been cuts made over the last few years..."
It would still have happened for ffs. Not remember 7/7? And as the Muslim population grows throughout Europe, so it becomes more difficult to police and so the number of attacks will grow. Take your head out of your arse |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Interesting article on the BBC news app. Details the huge task facing security services. Around 3000 people "on the radar". It's not physically possible to watch them all. I know some people must point fingers and blame someone, we'd need to recruit many thousands of new agents to watch all of them, can't afford that and people would gripe about police states and being watched...... Our intelligence and security services do a damn good job but they aren't perfect. And sometimes one mistake leads to the sort of atrocity seen this week.
Ita a tough job and very resource heavy. But if there hadnt been cuts made over the last few years..."
So what is to blame for the french, german and all the attacks in other countries, is that the fault of the uk governments attempt to balance the books |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Which Home Secretary deported "Islamist hate preacher" Abu Qatada?
Was it Blunkett, Clarke, Straw or May?"
Yes and look how long it took to do!! Because of all the doo gooders banging on about his human rights ect.
Not to mention the countless thousands it cost the tax payer  |
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"Ffs. Nab him for what? There are thousands across Europe acting in exactly the same way and thanks to the fears of accusations of racism and religious victimisation from 'liberal' do gooders nothing gets done about it. (Except for maybe in Spain where someone like him would have 'gone missing') "
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He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher. |
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"Which Home Secretary deported "Islamist hate preacher" Abu Qatada?
Was it Blunkett, Clarke, Straw or May?
Yes and look how long it took to do!! Because of all the doo gooders banging on about his human rights ect.
Not to mention the countless thousands it cost the tax payer "
Didnt he get set free by the Jordanians after deportation .It would have been cheaper to execute him . |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher."
Believed to be 3000 on a watch list, 500 active cases and 50 under close surveillance. |
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher."
What happens if someone you know happened to be a left or right wing terrorist? Would you think it fair that you got locked up as well?
And where do we draw the line? If someones convicted of terrorism just their family is punished? Or their friends? Or the people they knew pretty well but not exactly friends? What about friends of friends?
What about false imprisonments like the Guilford 4 and Maguire 7? Where English police framed, among others, a 14 year old child and an English woman for terrorism. And got convictions. Should that miscarriage of justice resulted in execution? Because the judge of both those cases stated that treason should have been the charge and execution the sentence. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher.
What happens if someone you know happened to be a left or right wing terrorist? Would you think it fair that you got locked up as well?
And where do we draw the line? If someones convicted of terrorism just their family is punished? Or their friends? Or the people they knew pretty well but not exactly friends? What about friends of friends?
What about false imprisonments like the Guilford 4 and Maguire 7? Where English police framed, among others, a 14 year old child and an English woman for terrorism. And got convictions. Should that miscarriage of justice resulted in execution? Because the judge of both those cases stated that treason should have been the charge and execution the sentence."
Big difference between not guilty and innocent |
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher.
What happens if someone you know happened to be a left or right wing terrorist? Would you think it fair that you got locked up as well?
And where do we draw the line? If someones convicted of terrorism just their family is punished? Or their friends? Or the people they knew pretty well but not exactly friends? What about friends of friends?
What about false imprisonments like the Guilford 4 and Maguire 7? Where English police framed, among others, a 14 year old child and an English woman for terrorism. And got convictions. Should that miscarriage of justice resulted in execution? Because the judge of both those cases stated that treason should have been the charge and execution the sentence.
Big difference between not guilty and innocent"
That answered none of the questions I asked. And they were innocent, they had alibis and the cops behind it were convicted and sentenced for framing them. None of them were in the area and none of them were even together at the time. |
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"Reports popping up everywhere about how the security services missed opportunities to nab the suicide bomber and his friends and family over the last few years.
Guess who was Home Secretary at the time?
Evidently neither strong nor stable
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Theresa May was home secretary at the time but when you look at the alternative on offer at this general election there is no contest. Corbyn is weak and unstable. Jeremy Corbyn has voted against anti terror laws in Parliament time and time and time again since he became an MP. All those who think he somehow played an important part in the peace process in Northern Ireland are also wrong, Corbyn voted against the Anglo - Irish agreement in 1985 which was an important part of starting the peace process. His voting record in Parliament is there for all to see. |
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher.
What happens if someone you know happened to be a left or right wing terrorist? Would you think it fair that you got locked up as well?
And where do we draw the line? If someones convicted of terrorism just their family is punished? Or their friends? Or the people they knew pretty well but not exactly friends? What about friends of friends?
What about false imprisonments like the Guilford 4 and Maguire 7? Where English police framed, among others, a 14 year old child and an English woman for terrorism. And got convictions. Should that miscarriage of justice resulted in execution? Because the judge of both those cases stated that treason should have been the charge and execution the sentence."
Firstly, don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say lock people up who knew someone?
But, I would say we need a return to coomon sense. If there is sufficient evidence that someone is an active terrorsist sympathiser, non-uk citizen , they should be deported. Not in the farcical way Abu Hamza was either, just reviewed by judges, then acted on.
Secondly, no return from precribed lications e.g Syria, unless pre-aujorised in exceptional cases.
So where do you draw the line? |
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"He was on a watch list, with about 3,000 others.
'Unfortunately' people who haven't done anything criminal, but are under surveillance, can't have action taken against them.
He was a friend of several other suicide bombers. But how many friends do they have.
Where is the balance between human rights of suspects and the general population?
I think we need to get tougher.
What happens if someone you know happened to be a left or right wing terrorist? Would you think it fair that you got locked up as well?
And where do we draw the line? If someones convicted of terrorism just their family is punished? Or their friends? Or the people they knew pretty well but not exactly friends? What about friends of friends?
What about false imprisonments like the Guilford 4 and Maguire 7? Where English police framed, among others, a 14 year old child and an English woman for terrorism. And got convictions. Should that miscarriage of justice resulted in execution? Because the judge of both those cases stated that treason should have been the charge and execution the sentence.
Big difference between not guilty and innocent"
In law no one is innocent and everyone is either guilty or not guilt, including you and me. Are you suggesting that people who are not guilty should be punished along with those who are guilty? And do you include yourself in the list of not guilty people who should be punished any how?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Has anyone asked the question why a British citizen was in Libya in the first place? Was he recruited by the UK security services to destabilise the Gadaffi regime as part of Cameron's foreign policy clusterfuck?
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"Has anyone asked the question why a British citizen was in Libya in the first place? Was he recruited by the UK security services to destabilise the Gadaffi regime as part of Cameron's foreign policy clusterfuck?
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Which one? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The geezer born in Manchester, to parents who fled Gadaffi (his mum was a nuclear engineer).
He turns up in Libya at the time of the overthrow of the Gadaffi regime - remember, the one orchestrated by UK and France cos Obama took a back seat).
Story comes out this week he was one of 100+ Britons evacuated from Libya when the regime started to fall.
He blew up Manchester Arena last year.
Can't remember his name.
Why was he in Libya? That's the question I'm wondering if anyone has asked.
Was he recruited as part of the UK/France effort to destabilise Gadaffi and created a civil war? |
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"The geezer born in Manchester, to parents who fled Gadaffi (his mum was a nuclear engineer).
He turns up in Libya at the time of the overthrow of the Gadaffi regime - remember, the one orchestrated by UK and France cos Obama took a back seat).
Story comes out this week he was one of 100+ Britons evacuated from Libya when the regime started to fall.
He blew up Manchester Arena last year.
Can't remember his name.
Why was he in Libya? That's the question I'm wondering if anyone has asked.
Was he recruited as part of the UK/France effort to destabilise Gadaffi and created a civil war?"
Oh. Probably. Gadaffi had to go, he was going to unite the African nations. We can't have that. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
What was a kid from Manchester doing in Libya at the very same time the UK Government had a foreign policy objective to destroy the regime?
Did he turn when he was over there?
An ISIS flag was seen draped from his bedroom window in weeks or months before he blew up the Aria Grande concert.
The community reported it to the authorities. Nothing was done. Why? |
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"What was a kid from Manchester doing in Libya at the very same time the UK Government had a foreign policy objective to destroy the regime?
Did he turn when he was over there?
An ISIS flag was seen draped from his bedroom window in weeks or months before he blew up the Aria Grande concert.
The community reported it to the authorities. Nothing was done. Why?"
Probably worried they'd get called racist. |
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