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"Is anyone shocked that Shipyard workers in Glasgow have been "let down and betrayed" by the UK Government after it announced plans for work on new warships to be split up across UK Remember that promise back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum that if people voted no to independence 13 yes 13 frigates would be build on the Clyde Now surely those that are screaming out the SNP need to do there day job on delivering what they promised should then by logic be asking the same thing of the UK government ie the Tories to deliver on that promise to build 13 frigates on the Clyde or is it that people dont care about the shipyard workers on the Clyde losing out on work that was promised to them ? " Or it could be that people, either side of the border, don't remember that exact promise being made. | |||
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"Is anyone shocked that Shipyard workers in Glasgow have been "let down and betrayed" by the UK Government after it announced plans for work on new warships to be split up across UK Remember that promise back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum that if people voted no to independence 13 yes 13 frigates would be build on the Clyde Now surely those that are screaming out the SNP need to do there day job on delivering what they promised should then by logic be asking the same thing of the UK government ie the Tories to deliver on that promise to build 13 frigates on the Clyde or is it that people dont care about the shipyard workers on the Clyde losing out on work that was promised to them ? Or it could be that people, either side of the border, don't remember that exact promise being made." I think you should click on google and go to images and type in Scottish Labour and shipyards and up will pop a Scottish Labour leaflet saying 13 frigates Now last i checked Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were all apart of the Better Together shite so yes it was a promise Now all those shipyard workers on the Clyde are being shafted | |||
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"The only certainty was, that if Scotland voted leave in the referendum, then no warship would ever be built in Scotland." Ah thats right just by pass the fact 13 frigates were promised to be build on the Clyde now we are getting told no no its now across the UK and what no one cares about that it always comes right back to but...but ...but if we got independence this would happen Sweep the shite of lies from the UK under the carpet and pull the if Scotland with independence lol Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Why oh why would you not be saying the promise should be kept that 13 frigates should be build on the Clyde and not across the UK as that was NOT the promise | |||
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"https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/government-indicate-13-frigates-will-built-clyde/ This is what I came up with.But it was back in January. They way I see it if they spread the work load UK wide surely it benefits everyone. Also isn't going to be a modular type build where different parts are manufactured in different yards then maybe one yard puts all the parts together." Ah again though that was not the promise back in 2014 that these ships will be spread across the UK the promise was 13 frigates would be build on the Clyde Do people see that those workers on the Clyde have been told a pack of lies and now wll lose out on work that they were promised ? I get your point in being spread across the UK thats fair enough if you think that benefits everyone fair enough but that was never ever the promise and why should those shipyard workers on the Clyde lose out on work promised to them ? | |||
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"The original plan in 2014 was for 13 type 26 frigates. The 2015 Defence Review cut that to 8. Whichever yard was building them, would have seen a reduction in the order. Harsh but a reality in defence procurement. These next 5 Type 31s are a different ship totally. It should also be noted that the Clyde got the order for the 5 offshore patrol vessels, so Govan and Scotstoun have had 13 ships to build." So are you saying Shipbuilding unions are in the wrong for accusing the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? " Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? " Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? | |||
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"A minimum of 20 years of shipbuilding guaranteed on the Clyde, whereas with independence there would be....none. Pretty sure those ship builders, and associated businesses, would still be voting remain if they were given those options." Really have you asked them ? No wait a minute the pro hardcore unionists seem quite afraid of a democratic vote to have a new independence referendum to take place Again is no one that voted no back in 2014 not even willing to challenge the fact that the promised that the were sold in 2014 is being broken ? 1. Can a unionist honestly sit there and say back in 2014 that the no camp were telling people that 13 frigates will be build across the UK ? 2. Or was it back in 2014 the no camp were telling people 13 frigates will be build on the Clyde? Which one is correct 1 or 2 ? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? " It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? " Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? | |||
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"If the option is voting for,at least, 20 years worth of work or no work then it's a pretty easy decision for them. The GMB recently commisioned a report that showed the shipyards couldn't survive without RN orders. And importantly Gary Cook from the GMB pointed out the following: "Furthermore, and with a second independence referendum a real possibility, the Scottish government needs to demonstrate to our members how they would plan to sustain their jobs, wages, pensions, skills and local communities without MoD investment. This report is a reality check and shows that the fragile Scottish economy cannot do without the thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of pounds in wages supported by navy shipbuilding contracts.” It's up the the SNP to show how they would sustain these jobs. They've never done it as they know they can't. An indy Scotland's navy was supposed to have only 2 frigates according to the white paper (which was a joke of a document anyway) and they were to be taken from the RN, not newly built." Lets look at the record of the Scottish government (SNP) ON say shipyards Now back in 2014 The NO camp said vote no and shipyards would be safe in the UK Funny that as i seem to remember the SNP having to step in and find a buyer for the shipyards or else all those ship yard workers would be out a job and thats all in the UK. That would be SNP good lol So again have you asked all the workers on how they feel now about independence ? Or is it just your opinion ? | |||
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"Oh Kinky is only having fun....He knows if the SNP had prevailed in 2014, that his fellow Scots in the yards would be unemployed as would the myriad of companies who are sub contractors. He is also aware that the defence industry is a major employer So let us be happy that Scotlands yards have an order book for decades ahead and that many young local men and women will be able to serve apprenticeships that will ensure they have the means to raise families and contribute to the preservation of a way of life that has served Scotland well over the centuries " Ah good good your here i have a questions for you and be truthfully. Which party in Scotland that found a buyer for the very subject we are talking about ''shipyards'' ? Which side back in 2014 said with as no vote shipyards would be safe in the UK ? Was it the YES side or the NO side ? Willing to give the SNP credit for going out there and finding a buyer to save the shipyards that your UK government didnt seem to give a fuck about ? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? " How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....  | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+..... "Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes Now please be fair now and answer my question to you. 1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....
Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes
Now please be fair now and answer my question to you.
1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ? "I'm sure you are much more versed in the campaign literature than I am. You obviously believe that it does. So just provide us with a link and a quote. At least 13 ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more. That is good for the people employed directly, subcontracted, as well as all the other support services around the yards. | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....
Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes
Now please be fair now and answer my question to you.
1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ?
I'm sure you are much more versed in the campaign literature than I am. You obviously believe that it does. So just provide us with a link and a quote.
At least 13 ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more. That is good for the people employed directly, subcontracted, as well as all the other support services around the yards. "I dont need to provide nothing see there is the problem people not willing to do their own research wouldnt take you to look up At least 13 are build build on the Clyde ? Did you not hear Fallon ? Fallon announced that 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Now while Scottish shipyards will be able to bid for the Type 31 contracts where does it say there is guarantee that building work or assembly work would come to Scotland ? | |||
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"Ah Kinky i do love the way you play devils advocate to get your point across The No vote were told that the yards would be given Royal Navy work that would ensure there survival...And as you say answer honestly...They have 20yrs minimum work...Now the other yard, not yards you refer to is the one in Greenock...It did benefit from intervention ensuring it got Caledonian Mac Brayne ferry work...I applaud anything which is good for my fellow countrymen, UK wide as well as locally .....The question is do you Kinky ?" Please npow go back and answer these questions you seem to have missed them for whatever reason now trying answering these 2 easy questions 1. Which party in Scotland that found a buyer for the very subject we are talking about ''shipyards'' ? 2. Which side back in 2014 said with as no vote shipyards would be safe in the UK ? Was it the YES side or the NO side ? Humor me and answer them and please do it honestly | |||
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"Very easy to answer the No side have followed through and the upper clyde yards have minimum 20yrs work...The Scottish Govt stepped in and saved the lower Clyde yard....... "Are you actually afraid to name the SNP as doing something good ? LOL Right you have half arsed answered number one by saying it was the SNP that found a buyer would i be correct in that ? 2. Which side back in 2014 said with as no vote shipyards would be safe in the UK ? Was it the YES side or the NO side 3. After Scotland voted no to independence were shipyards and steel workers in danger in your UK ? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....
Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes
Now please be fair now and answer my question to you.
1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ?
I'm sure you are much more versed in the campaign literature than I am. You obviously believe that it does. So just provide us with a link and a quote.
At least 13 ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more. That is good for the people employed directly, subcontracted, as well as all the other support services around the yards.
I dont need to provide nothing see there is the problem people not willing to do their own research wouldnt take you to look up
At least 13 are build build on the Clyde ? Did you not hear Fallon ? Fallon announced that 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards
Now while Scottish shipyards will be able to bid for the Type 31 contracts where does it say there is guarantee that building work or assembly work would come to Scotland ? "So you can't provide a link or a quote to back up your assertions, and you can't count as high as 13? Yes, at least 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more, possibly a lot more. | |||
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"P.s i add this because you all seem to be forgetting Scottish Labour send out a leaflet back in 2014 saying that '' 13 type 26 frigates'' Would be build on the Clyde that then some how dropped to 8 then went to 3 remember " Labour aren't in government | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....
Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes
Now please be fair now and answer my question to you.
1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ?
I'm sure you are much more versed in the campaign literature than I am. You obviously believe that it does. So just provide us with a link and a quote.
At least 13 ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more. That is good for the people employed directly, subcontracted, as well as all the other support services around the yards.
I dont need to provide nothing see there is the problem people not willing to do their own research wouldnt take you to look up
At least 13 are build build on the Clyde ? Did you not hear Fallon ? Fallon announced that 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards
Now while Scottish shipyards will be able to bid for the Type 31 contracts where does it say there is guarantee that building work or assembly work would come to Scotland ?
So you can't provide a link or a quote to back up your assertions, and you can't count as high as 13? Yes, at least 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more, possibly a lot more."Again i dont have to provide nothing look it up do your own research | |||
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"P.s i add this because you all seem to be forgetting Scottish Labour send out a leaflet back in 2014 saying that '' 13 type 26 frigates'' Would be build on the Clyde that then some how dropped to 8 then went to 3 remember Labour aren't in government "Yes duh i know this But what are you honestly saying here ? Are you saying its now ok to break promises ? Do you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem's all formed Better together ? Can you show me where the Tories came out and said back in 2014 see that Scottish Labour leafet dont take it serious as we are not gonna build 13 type 26 frigates ? Nah didnt think so so they all must have agreed so why is it now ok to break promises ? | |||
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"Kinky is only taking the piss no one is this deluded and no one claiming to be a patriot can be upset at good news for there fellow countrymen......or are there some Nats so twisted that they pray for bad economic news so they can crow.....surely not "Waiting on answers lol | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? How many ships are being built? I put the number at 13+.....
Right you want me to answer ok i will but fair is fair i answer this question then you answer mine ok ? Yes
Now please be fair now and answer my question to you.
1. In 2014 did the NO camp tell Scottish people that if it was a no vote that 13 frigates all 13 btw would be build on the Clyde and not across the UK ?
I'm sure you are much more versed in the campaign literature than I am. You obviously believe that it does. So just provide us with a link and a quote.
At least 13 ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more. That is good for the people employed directly, subcontracted, as well as all the other support services around the yards.
I dont need to provide nothing see there is the problem people not willing to do their own research wouldnt take you to look up
At least 13 are build build on the Clyde ? Did you not hear Fallon ? Fallon announced that 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards
Now while Scottish shipyards will be able to bid for the Type 31 contracts where does it say there is guarantee that building work or assembly work would come to Scotland ?
So you can't provide a link or a quote to back up your assertions, and you can't count as high as 13? Yes, at least 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde, probably more, possibly a lot more.
Again i dont have to provide nothing look it up do your own research"Can you do enough research to find out how many ships are being built on the Clyde? | |||
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"P.s i add this because you all seem to be forgetting Scottish Labour send out a leaflet back in 2014 saying that '' 13 type 26 frigates'' Would be build on the Clyde that then some how dropped to 8 then went to 3 remember Labour aren't in government
Yes duh i know this
But what are you honestly saying here ? Are you saying its now ok to break promises ?
Do you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem's all formed Better together ?
Can you show me where the Tories came out and said back in 2014 see that Scottish Labour leafet dont take it serious as we are not gonna build 13 type 26 frigates ? Nah didnt think so so they all must have agreed so why is it now ok to break promises ?
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"Everyone is missing the point 13 frigates WERE promised to be build on the Clyde not for these ships to be build across the UK that was NOT the promise " Remember these are tories were talking about, especially a guy like cameron, one of the biggest slimy two faced sneaky bastards in recent history will say anything | |||
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"P.s i add this because you all seem to be forgetting Scottish Labour send out a leaflet back in 2014 saying that '' 13 type 26 frigates'' Would be build on the Clyde that then some how dropped to 8 then went to 3 remember Labour aren't in government
Yes duh i know this
But what are you honestly saying here ? Are you saying its now ok to break promises ?
Do you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem's all formed Better together ?
Can you show me where the Tories came out and said back in 2014 see that Scottish Labour leafet dont take it serious as we are not gonna build 13 type 26 frigates ? Nah didnt think so so they all must have agreed so why is it now ok to break promises ?
So you know then that if a party isn't in power, then they don't get to implement their policies. "Yes i know this again though Did you witness the Tories claim that Scottish Labour were talking shite about 13 frigates being build on the Clyde ? Nah didnt think so so they must have agreed with Labour on that or they would have called them out that they werent going to build 13 correct ? Are you honestly saying promises should be broken ? Are you going to that the promises from Better Together should be broken to the Scottish people ? | |||
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"Everyone is missing the point 13 frigates WERE promised to be build on the Clyde not for these ships to be build across the UK that was NOT the promise Remember these are tories were talking about, especially a guy like cameron, one of the biggest slimy two faced sneaky bastards in recent history will say anything" Yeah i know never trust a Tory that would also be the same David Cameron that was shite feart to put devo max / Home Rule on the Scottish independence referendum ballot paper but shat themselves when they seen YES was i the lead and then up pop the extra powers devo max Home Rule whatever you wanna call it yet Scotland is still fucking waiting for Home Rule | |||
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"Ah but here in Scotland we have a government that has no policies...It is all just a preamble to there only goal But it is all slipping away...Yes like ships from a Scottish yard...Down into the water.... Ah right thats your opinionthats your right. One problem with that can you answer then why is it people in Scotland are still voting to elect the SNP in Holyrood and still the SNP have a majority in Westminster ? Hell fucking Corbyn has to copy SNP policies to make him look good in England lmao " | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? " Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol" 13 ships are being built op..... | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op..... "Oh my now answering your own questions Trying answering mine with this bonus one LOL How many type 26 frigate ships are being build on the build the Clyde ? Remember now Scottish Labour claimed 13 type 26 frigates were being build on the build and by god its so damn easy to look that up on google and find that leafet from Scottish Labour Should Better Together thats all three parties not be held accountable for lying now ? Should they just get away with lying ? | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
Oh my now answering your own questions
Trying answering mine with this bonus one LOL
How many type 26 frigate ships are being build on the build the Clyde ? Remember now Scottish Labour claimed 13 type 26 frigates were being build on the build and by god its so damn easy to look that up on google and find that leafet from Scottish Labour
Should Better Together thats all three parties not be held accountable for lying now ? Should they just get away with lying ? "We have gone over this.... Labour didn't win the election. You keep saying it was a Labour leaflet, although you are unable to prove it with a link. However, we have a Tory government. Either way. *AT LEAST* 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op..... "P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26'' So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ? Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?"Thirteen Ships OP. The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships. At least 13 ships are going to be built. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built. "Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ? | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?"You seem incapable of reading posts properly. I have you some insight into defence procurement and strategic defence reviews very early in this thread. Defence requirements change on a frequent basis. Budgetary pressures come to bear. In 2014, the requirement was for 13 Type 26. The SDR of 2015 decided that 8 was enough and amended the order. The Clyde got 100% of that order, as well as other ships. If you had voted Leave, you would have got 0 ships, 0% of that order. Simple as. The Royal Navy do NOT allow foreign countries to build their warships. Of course, an Independent Scotland could order as many warships as they like to fill the gap. I'm sure Ms Sturgeon would have found the money from somewhere, but in the meantime, the Clyde workers would have followed the work to England. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
You seem incapable of reading posts properly.
I have you some insight into defence procurement and strategic defence reviews very early in this thread.
Defence requirements change on a frequent basis. Budgetary pressures come to bear. In 2014, the requirement was for 13 Type 26. The SDR of 2015 decided that 8 was enough and amended the order. The Clyde got 100% of that order, as well as other ships.
If you had voted Leave, you would have got 0 ships, 0% of that order. Simple as. The Royal Navy do NOT allow foreign countries to build their warships.
Of course, an Independent Scotland could order as many warships as they like to fill the gap. I'm sure Ms Sturgeon would have found the money from somewhere, but in the meantime, the Clyde workers would have followed the work to England."fraid not as brexit wouldnt allow them to | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ? "8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
You seem incapable of reading posts properly.
I have you some insight into defence procurement and strategic defence reviews very early in this thread.
Defence requirements change on a frequent basis. Budgetary pressures come to bear. In 2014, the requirement was for 13 Type 26. The SDR of 2015 decided that 8 was enough and amended the order. The Clyde got 100% of that order, as well as other ships.
If you had voted Leave, you would have got 0 ships, 0% of that order. Simple as. The Royal Navy do NOT allow foreign countries to build their warships.
Of course, an Independent Scotland could order as many warships as they like to fill the gap. I'm sure Ms Sturgeon would have found the money from somewhere, but in the meantime, the Clyde workers would have followed the work to England."I your opinion doesnt mean your opinion is somehow fact lol I suppose you thought RBS was moving to England too ? lol | |||
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"Don't go asking kinky questions, if the answer isn't on the Wings site then they're stumped "That's why they can't even figure out 8+5 | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ?
8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships. "Thank you for saying you think its 8 26 type frigates that was promised now watch and learn i will break my one rule just to see your next comment read and sweep - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQzITMspHWAhUjAcAKHWBNDSsQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM: Now can you name how many type 26 frigates that leafet says from Scottish Labour who were part of the Better Together camp ? Is it now ok to lie and now only have 8 type 26 when infact it was 13 ? | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ?
8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships.
Thank you for saying you think its 8 26 type frigates that was promised now watch and learn i will break my one rule just to see your next comment
read and sweep - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQzITMspHWAhUjAcAKHWBNDSsQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Now can you name how many type 26 frigates that leafet says from Scottish Labour who were part of the Better Together camp ?
Is it now ok to lie and now only have 8 type 26 when infact it was 13 ?
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"Dear God! I'm losing the will to live here! "Yup. Green party are obviously liars because they didn't implement their policies, same for the monster raving looney party, and UKIP, and lib dems, and BNP, and the English democrats etc etc etc. All liars because they didn't win the election! Ridiculous. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ?
8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships.
Thank you for saying you think its 8 26 type frigates that was promised now watch and learn i will break my one rule just to see your next comment
read and sweep - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQzITMspHWAhUjAcAKHWBNDSsQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Now can you name how many type 26 frigates that leafet says from Scottish Labour who were part of the Better Together camp ?
Is it now ok to lie and now only have 8 type 26 when infact it was 13 ?
Where have I said I think 8 type 26 frigates were promised?"Did you say this ? '' The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigate'' So again how many type 26 frigates were promised back in 2014 ? | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ?
8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships.
Thank you for saying you think its 8 26 type frigates that was promised now watch and learn i will break my one rule just to see your next comment
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Now can you name how many type 26 frigates that leafet says from Scottish Labour who were part of the Better Together camp ?
Is it now ok to lie and now only have 8 type 26 when infact it was 13 ?
Where have I said I think 8 type 26 frigates were promised?
Did you say this ? '' The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigate''
So again how many type 26 frigates were promised back in 2014 ? "Before you stated that I had said it, and now you are asking me a question? That's putting the cart before the horse. 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde. I know that pisses you off. You wanted independence and zero ships to be built. You didn't want more than £8bn to be spent in those shipyards. You didn't want thousands of people to be employed in high paying defence jobs. But unfortunately that's what you're getting. | |||
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"OP, how many ships are being built? Wait a mi are you asking me a question but failed to answer mine ? I will just wait thank you lol 13 ships are being built op.....
P.S CLCC i do seem to remember you put this in a previous comment above and i quote ''The Clyde is building 8 Type 26''
So i ask again how many type 26 frigates are being build on the build ?
Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?
Thirteen Ships OP.
The government are building at least 13 Royal Navy ships.
At least 13 ships are going to be built.
Right are now retracting what you said above ? You clearly said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde are you still standing by that comment ?
8 Type 26 Frigates, 5 off shore patrol vessels, (8+5=13) plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates. That is AT LEAST 13 ships.
Thank you for saying you think its 8 26 type frigates that was promised now watch and learn i will break my one rule just to see your next comment
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Now can you name how many type 26 frigates that leafet says from Scottish Labour who were part of the Better Together camp ?
Is it now ok to lie and now only have 8 type 26 when infact it was 13 ?
Where have I said I think 8 type 26 frigates were promised?
Did you say this ? '' The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigate''
So again how many type 26 frigates were promised back in 2014 ?
Before you stated that I had said it, and now you are asking me a question? That's putting the cart before the horse.
13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde. I know that pisses you off. You wanted independence and zero ships to be built. You didn't want more than £8bn to be spent in those shipyards. You didn't want thousands of people to be employed in high paying defence jobs. But unfortunately that's what you're getting.
"You said 8 type 26 frigates are being build on the Clyde i am asking you how many of the type 26 frigates were promised back in 2014 ? If you need to go back to that leaflet and you will find a number lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ?" Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships  | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships "Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ? So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ? Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs. Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell | |||
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"Fucking hell it's like smashing your head against a brick wall with the crap kinky's coming out with. " Ok then ignore me lol Fact is 13 type 26 frigates were promised now its damn well strange that some of you dont seem to care that it was dropped to 8 type 26 frigates Would that not be a broken promise ? | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
"What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work "You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ? Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people"They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now "I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ? | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
"No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland... quote David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year. | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
"Lmao So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ? | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? " So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made. | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made." WTF ? Do you know Labour were part of Better Together with the Tories and Lib Dems ? So what just because Labour are not in government you honestly think its ok to break that promise? Breaking news back in 2014 there was fuck all parties in the Scottish referendum there was a YES side and a NO side So the no side put forward the whole 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the clyde did you say the Tories come out and say no no we are not committing to that ? Did you hell so people are going with that 13 type 26 frigates would be build then it got dropped to 8 type 26 frigates and you people seem to think that shit is fine ? No wonder the UK is fucked no one wants to challenage fuck all lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?"Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ? | |||
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"The OP's point is valid that a promise or rather stated intent has been broken. It had no legal standing and the Govenment of the day can change any previous statement, intent or promise that has not been enshrined in statute or contracts signed. If the Clyde shipbuilders were able to operate a business model to compete with Global competitors then they would build more ships, and it the unions worked to support this concept their members would have guaranteed employment. Whilst the Government is using public money to pay for these ships I want them to get the best ships for as little as possible and any surpluses money can be spent on other defence procurement. " it hasn't been broken as Labour never got elected....how do we know if they had they wouldn't had kept to there commitment...but the fact is they were promised 13 ships and 13 ships are being build there | |||
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"The English Tories in the conservative, LibDems and Labour parties shafted the Scotts. Whats new the Tories shaft everyone. At least they haven't taken everything from you (yet) so save the anger for a while, let it brew and simmer, and don't worry 29/3/19 will be here soon and then you will find you have lots of reason and company south of the border to raise a great wailing and gnashing of teeth." Indeed wait till the great repeal act reveals its self ...then you know your going to get shafted a lot more by the Tories | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ? "Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election there was a YES side and a NO side and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ? Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao | |||
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"Is anyone shocked that Shipyard workers in Glasgow have been "let down and betrayed" by the UK Government after it announced plans for work on new warships to be split up across UK Remember that promise back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum that if people voted no to independence 13 yes 13 frigates would be build on the Clyde Now surely those that are screaming out the SNP need to do there day job on delivering what they promised should then by logic be asking the same thing of the UK government ie the Tories to deliver on that promise to build 13 frigates on the Clyde or is it that people dont care about the shipyard workers on the Clyde losing out on work that was promised to them ? " Your beloved leader Nicola Sturgeon is to blame you do not seem to want to be part of this great land so why should we give you jobs? | |||
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"The English Tories in the conservative, LibDems and Labour parties shafted the Scotts. Whats new the Tories shaft everyone. At least they haven't taken everything from you (yet) so save the anger for a while, let it brew and simmer, and don't worry 29/3/19 will be here soon and then you will find you have lots of reason and company south of the border to raise a great wailing and gnashing of teeth." Lmao just you remember your always welcome to come live in Scotland and get away from the mess of the right wing Tory UK brexit Scotland does have a way out | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao "No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built.... | |||
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"Is anyone shocked that Shipyard workers in Glasgow have been "let down and betrayed" by the UK Government after it announced plans for work on new warships to be split up across UK Remember that promise back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum that if people voted no to independence 13 yes 13 frigates would be build on the Clyde Now surely those that are screaming out the SNP need to do there day job on delivering what they promised should then by logic be asking the same thing of the UK government ie the Tories to deliver on that promise to build 13 frigates on the Clyde or is it that people dont care about the shipyard workers on the Clyde losing out on work that was promised to them ? Your beloved leader Nicola Sturgeon is to blame you do not seem to want to be part of this great land so why should we give you jobs?" How do you figure that out that Nicola is the blame ? Lol Breaking news : if Scotland were to become independent the British isles/ land is not going to break up lol All that will happen is the UK will cease to be a union Now now thats not showing me that the UK is a family of nations do you not care about a promise being made to Scotland to get 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde that was the promise Hell Home Rule was a promise anyone dare to say Scotland has has Home Rule ? Lol | |||
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"Indeed wait till the great repeal act reveals its self ...then you know your going to get shafted a lot more by the Tories " All hail the 65 pages of primary legislation that gives Tory ministers the right to use secondary legislation to tear up or rewrite 44 years of parliamentary approved EU regulations and UK laws enacted to enforce EU and UCJ directives... Donny must be proud of Mrs May... | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built.... "reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ? ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ? | |||
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"Indeed wait till the great repeal act reveals its self ...then you know your going to get shafted a lot more by the Tories All hail the 65 pages of primary legislation that gives Tory ministers the right to use secondary legislation to tear up or rewrite 44 years of parliamentary approved EU regulations and UK laws enacted to enforce EU and UCJ directives... Donny must be proud of Mrs May..." And no scrutiny from parliament thats the worst bit....so they the Tories could in theory write there own laws tearing up decades of workers rights consumer rights etc etc | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ? "13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote "Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ? Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ? | |||
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"Lmao just you remember your always welcome to come live in Scotland and get away from the mess of the right wing Tory UK brexit Scotland does have a way out " I have considered that. In fact in my youth I have spent much time working out of Tullock in both summer and winter. As a result I have come to the conclusion I would only want to live in the highlands and being 60 (pushing 61) years old I could not stand the damp in the winter or the midges in the summer. However I do have another option, it comes from my parents birthplace, they were both born in the South of Ireland so I have a right to an Irish passport!  | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?"The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland "At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ? You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao "But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election? | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
"Yes Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ? Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ? Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol"No, I mean is there anything directly from the official, better together campaign that mentions frigates. A poster, a video, a leaflet, a manifesto, anything like that from the offical campaign that mentions frigates. | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol"Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
No, I mean is there anything directly from the official, better together campaign that mentions frigates. A poster, a video, a leaflet, a manifesto, anything like that from the offical campaign that mentions frigates. "Ah see where your trying to go with this Lol So because Scottish Labour are the ones that put it on a leaflet that somehow thats not important ? Fact does not change a abit that ( Labour , Tory and Lib Dem ) were all part of Better Together Did you witness the Tories say we dont agree with Labour on this building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell So they were all happy to agree on that or they would have came out and said fuck no to that lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates "Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM: Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
quote
David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates
Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol "You sent a link with images on...im not doubting they weren't part of the no campaign...but nowhere does it promise on that link you sent to build 13 frigates | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates
Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol "Another little example of those that are using this Labour arent in government so it doesnt matter what they said pish Lets take the EU referendum now you all know there was no parties it was a remain side and leave side and both were saying all kinds of things so lets just take UKIP say they put out a leaflet why people should vote to leave are people on here saying no no because they aint government that should be withheld ? Are they fuck So please no more of that it was Scottish Labour who put the 13 type 26 frigates but they aint in government crap you all know Labour were part of that NO side back in 2014 so anything put forward from the NO side was to the people why now why is it you think its now ok to break the promise to have 13 type 26 frigate build on the Clyde ? Why do you think its ok to now only have 8 ? | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates
Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol
You sent a link with images on...im not doubting they weren't part of the no campaign...but nowhere does it promise on that link you sent to build 13 frigates "Oh love how you missed out TYPE 26 go back and read it and you will clear see it say 13 type 26 frigates that Govan and Scotstoun will get correct ? Sure as hell sounds like a promise to me | |||
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"So you dont have anything published by the better together campaign, or by the Tory party, that says they are going to build 13 type 26 frigates (even though today's announcement was about the type 31e), yet you still expect the Tories to stick to a campaign pledge that they never made? Sorry, but thats not how politics works." How many more times NO PARTIES simply reads Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were all part of Better together correct ? Now Labour put forward in Better Together 13 type 26 frigates would be build in Govan and Scotstoun correct ? See those Type 31e your own about those aint being promised to be build on the damn Clyde they are being build across the UK HELLO!!!! The Tories were in Better Together lol | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
Lmao
So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates
Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol
You sent a link with images on...im not doubting they weren't part of the no campaign...but nowhere does it promise on that link you sent to build 13 frigates "I will give you another example since you find it hard to see it was a promise Now lets say i tell you i will get you a Mars bar from the shop do you think that is me promising to get you Mars bar ? So in that leaflet Scottish Labour who lets not forget as its important were in (Better Together) said that Govan and Scotstoun will get 13 type 26 frigates lol that sounds like a promise to me but unionists dont care about that kinda stuff and they dont get it their own fellow no voters voted no to make sure these 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the Clyde logic goes out the window lmao | |||
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" Lmao So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ?" How can an opposition party promise anything..... you're making yourself look stupid. | |||
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" Lmao So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? How can an opposition party promise anything..... you're making yourself look stupid." How many more times? Back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there were no parties it was a YES side and No side Labour put forward as part of the NO side that Govan and Scotstoun would get 13 type 26 frigates build So lets be clear are you saying the NO side shouldnt keep to their promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? LMAO do you think in the EU referendum it was about which party was saying what ? No no it was a Remain side and Leave side correct ? Its flying right over your heed that you cant see that the NO side in 2014's Scottish independence referendum put forward that 13 type 26 frigate will be build on the clyde I suppose you think the No side delivered on Home Rule for Scotland is that another excuse people are going use - it was Labour that said that and they aint in government yes duh they are not in government but the point would be the NO side said Scotland would get Home Rule , Devo fucking max whatever you wanna call it lol Name one thing that the Better Together mob has actually delivered to Scotland since 2014 ? I bet you will be scratching your heed thinking of just one thing lol | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made. WTF ? Do you know Labour were part of Better Together with the Tories and Lib Dems ? So what just because Labour are not in government you honestly think its ok to break that promise? Breaking news back in 2014 there was fuck all parties in the Scottish referendum there was a YES side and a NO side So the no side put forward the whole 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the clyde did you say the Tories come out and say no no we are not committing to that ? Did you hell so people are going with that 13 type 26 frigates would be build then it got dropped to 8 type 26 frigates and you people seem to think that shit is fine ? No wonder the UK is fucked no one wants to challenage fuck all lol " Total bullshit! No reasonable person would hold a Conservative government to account for promises made in a Labour leaflet. No reasonable person would claim that a promise had been made in a leaflet and then refuse to either give any help to those wanting to find out exactly what the leaflet did say or even quote exactly what the leaflet did say themselves. No reasonable would hold the Labour party responsible for a decision by a Conservative government not to build 13 frigates but instead to only build 8. No reasonable person would argue the UK's defence policy should be dictated solely by the wants or needs of workers or businesses on the Clyde or some, so far unsubstantiated, promise made by a party not actually in government at the time or now. Your whole argument seems to be based on the totally unreasonable argument that a Conservative government should be bound by what the Labour party might have promised and that the Labour party should be held accountable for decisions made by a Conservative government. Just read that last part of that last paragraph again. Read it out loud then think about how totally ridiculous and unreasonable it actually sounds. | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made. WTF ? Do you know Labour were part of Better Together with the Tories and Lib Dems ? So what just because Labour are not in government you honestly think its ok to break that promise? Breaking news back in 2014 there was fuck all parties in the Scottish referendum there was a YES side and a NO side So the no side put forward the whole 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the clyde did you say the Tories come out and say no no we are not committing to that ? Did you hell so people are going with that 13 type 26 frigates would be build then it got dropped to 8 type 26 frigates and you people seem to think that shit is fine ? No wonder the UK is fucked no one wants to challenage fuck all lol Total bullshit! No reasonable person would hold a Conservative government to account for promises made in a Labour leaflet. No reasonable person would claim that a promise had been made in a leaflet and then refuse to either give any help to those wanting to find out exactly what the leaflet did say or even quote exactly what the leaflet did say themselves. No reasonable would hold the Labour party responsible for a decision by a Conservative government not to build 13 frigates but instead to only build 8. No reasonable person would argue the UK's defence policy should be dictated solely by the wants or needs of workers or businesses on the Clyde or some, so far unsubstantiated, promise made by a party not actually in government at the time or now. Your whole argument seems to be based on the totally unreasonable argument that a Conservative government should be bound by what the Labour party might have promised and that the Labour party should be held accountable for decisions made by a Conservative government. Just read that last part of that last paragraph again. Read it out loud then think about how totally ridiculous and unreasonable it actually sounds." Right so are you about to go and tell me that anything the NO side in 2014 can be withheld from the Scottish people ? Not very wise remember they were not any parties back in 2014 it was Just the YES and NO side | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made. WTF ? Do you know Labour were part of Better Together with the Tories and Lib Dems ? So what just because Labour are not in government you honestly think its ok to break that promise? Breaking news back in 2014 there was fuck all parties in the Scottish referendum there was a YES side and a NO side So the no side put forward the whole 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the clyde did you say the Tories come out and say no no we are not committing to that ? Did you hell so people are going with that 13 type 26 frigates would be build then it got dropped to 8 type 26 frigates and you people seem to think that shit is fine ? No wonder the UK is fucked no one wants to challenage fuck all lol Total bullshit! No reasonable person would hold a Conservative government to account for promises made in a Labour leaflet. No reasonable person would claim that a promise had been made in a leaflet and then refuse to either give any help to those wanting to find out exactly what the leaflet did say or even quote exactly what the leaflet did say themselves. No reasonable would hold the Labour party responsible for a decision by a Conservative government not to build 13 frigates but instead to only build 8. No reasonable person would argue the UK's defence policy should be dictated solely by the wants or needs of workers or businesses on the Clyde or some, so far unsubstantiated, promise made by a party not actually in government at the time or now. Your whole argument seems to be based on the totally unreasonable argument that a Conservative government should be bound by what the Labour party might have promised and that the Labour party should be held accountable for decisions made by a Conservative government. Just read that last part of that last paragraph again. Read it out loud then think about how totally ridiculous and unreasonable it actually sounds. Right so are you about to go and tell me that anything the NO side in 2014 can be withheld from the Scottish people ? Not very wise remember they were not any parties back in 2014 it was Just the YES and NO side" There were official campaigns, and this wasn't an offical campaign promise from the better together side that I can see. Out of interest, how many frigates were promised by the other side? The pro-independence side, how many frigates did they promise to build? | |||
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"Please go look at the Scottish Labour leafet as that clear as hell says 13 type 26 frigates not 8 so there it is right there in front of you that is a clear breach and broken promise now is that shit acceptable ? Labour are not in power...the Tories run the UK government as far as i know....Labour can say anything its wants but the fact is there not in power...is it that hard to understand...and something else you choose to ignore there's been a review since 2014 and that's what deemed to be needed...ffs your still going to build those ships
Ah right but did you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem were ALL apart of the Better Together team in 2014 ?
So just because a part is not in government thats now somehow acceptable to fuck over the Scottish people ?
Really is depressing how many unionists simply don't care about shipyard workers and their jobs.
Again did anyone hear the Tories come out and say Labour are talking pish and whoever is in government wont keep to that promise ? Did you hell
What the fuck does that matter....the people that took the decision are the Tories....with the aid of a review....you're going to build 8 frigates and a number of other vessels ....id say that was pretty good news for the Clyde shipyard....why on earth are you moaning...im sure the shipyards in England, Wales or Nth Ireland would give there right arms for that amount of work
You really didnt put that ? Need i remind you people voted NO to independence on that promise that 13 type 26 frigate were going to be build on the clyde ? And you now somehow dont think that shit matters ?
Way to go eh the people that voted to keep your UK union together and your telling them it doesnt matter about the promises made to Scotland yeah right my arse family of nations
Why i am moaning ? Ask yourself why unionists dont care about being lied too
AM pointing out a clear fucking lie from the UK and how much it doesnt respect Scotland and its people
They didnt vote no just because you were going to build a few ships...and if they didnt like you...the contracts would had gone elsewhere in the UK...you just being silly now
I knew you were going to say that yes you are correct there is all different reasons but that is one reason too
So again the promise was 13 type 26 frigates are you saying that promise doest matter to people now ?
No there was a promise to build 13 ships...ive just read the news release from BBC Scotland...
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David Cameron, the then prime minister, said the contract was evidence of a valuable union dividend, with thousands of Scottish jobs secured by UK military spending. The UK government promised a programme of 13 vessels, with work due to start this year.
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So when Scottish Labour said this in there leafet Govan and Scotstoun will get (13 type 26 frigates ) you dont think that sound like a promise ? Wow just wow
So what do you tell people that believed that the Clyde was going to get 13 26 type frigates ? Now its only 8 what do you honestly tell them suck it up and be happy your being lied to ?
Labour are not in power and wasn't then...i've quoted you the statement from the then Prime Minster...its says 13 ships....your building 13 ships....and furthermore work guaranteed for all those workers and the money they put back in the economy in the region...what do you exactly want to gain from this and what would you rather have those ships and jobs going elsewhere ?
Lol how many more times see back in 2014 in the Scottish referendum there was no parties it wasnt a bloody election
there was a YES side and a NO side
and that No side put forward saying Goven and Scotstoun would get 13 yes 13 type 26 frigates not 8 not 3 but 13 type 26 figates how is that hard to understand ?
Are you now somehow telling me the Tories dont need to deliver on the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates ? Again pointing out Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together to form the NO side and did you see the Tories say no no we are not going to commit to building 13 type 26 frigates ? Did you hell so on good faith the people voted no that 13 type 26 frigates were going to be build just like the Better Together cam p said they would and what now you alot seem to think its ok to get away with breaking promises coming up with shite excuses saying Labour werent in charge and are not the government lol
I suppose you lot think Home Rule has magically been delivered to Scotland lmao
No because its been reassessed since that vote....13 ships are being built....
reassessed = broken promise how can you not see that ?
ah right so you claim 13 ships are being build correct ? So when you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
13 ships that David CaMoron promised...i showed you the quote
Again you are only saying 13 ships is that to cover your arse lol ?
Am simply asking you the 13 ships you are on about is that 13 type 26 frigates ? Yes or No ?
The government of the time never promised 13 type 26 frigates...they promised 13 ships....i'll say it once more i provided you the quote from BBC Scotland
At the time of the Scottish referendum there was NO PARTIES again i will point out there was a YES side and a NO side to Scottish independence
The NO side with Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the No side put forward the promise to build 13 type 26 frigates
I will now ask again you say 13 ships are you saying its going to be the 13 TYPE 26 frigates that will be build ?
You really are going to take the word or BBC Scotland ? Lmao
But is there any literature from the actual campaign that mentions frigates? Or is it just from a party who unfortunately failed to win a majority at a general election?
Yes
Right do you think back in 2014 in the Scottish independence referendum there was parties campaigning under and YES side banner and a NO side banner ?
Now if the no side which was Labour , Tory and Lib Dem altogether put forward things they were promising Scotland do you not think they should be delivered by the winning side ? Or is it now somehow ok to break promises ?
Your so not getting it yes Labour put it forward as PART of Better Together
So here is another example Labour put forward Home Rule in 2014 so are you saying because they arent in government then that promise is ok to be withheld and not delivered to Scotland ? Lets not forget now extra powers was promised ie Home Rule but was not on the damn ballot paper in 2014 yet unionists couldnt be arsed what cause they won they dont care lol
Did that banner mention the 13 type 26 frigates
Oh yes the NO side did mention 13 type 26 frigates oh looky what we have here lol
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scottish+labour+frigates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvr9-X3JHWAhWpCMAKHf1JCrMQ_AUICygC&biw=1680&bih=944#imgdii=g6oSHWKl2m0ofM:&imgrc=4xPBOb_Ng9IfNM:
Oh and before you say thats only Scottish Labour saying that did you forget Labour were part of the NO side eh ? lol
You sent a link with images on...im not doubting they weren't part of the no campaign...but nowhere does it promise on that link you sent to build 13 frigates
Oh love how you missed out TYPE 26
go back and read it and you will clear see it say 13 type 26 frigates that Govan and Scotstoun will get correct ? Sure as hell sounds like a promise to me"It does actually say 13 type 26 frigates in the picture of the leaflet headed "Separation Shuts Shipyard" However I still think it's unreasonable to argue that a Conservative government should be held to account for promises made in a Labour party leaflet and even more unreasonable to hold the Labour party responsible for a decision taken by a Conservative government. However the most unreasonable thing in this whole argument is that we should build 13 type 23 frigates when we've now decided we only actually need (or more likely can only afford) 8. | |||
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" Honest question you - do you care about those shipyard workers on the Clyde ? Firstly, why should anyone care more about shipyard workers from Clyde anymore than a shipyard worker from any other UK shipyard? Secondly, if you had got your wish of independence, there would be zero Royal Navy ships being built on the Clyde, so what does that say about how much you care about the Clyde shipworkers? Again do i need to point this out in 2014 the promise was for 13 frigates to be build on the Clyde that was the promise There was no mention that this ships were going to be build across the UK i dare anyone to find that back in 2014 eh lol Yet again we go back to this BUT BUT BUT if Scotland voted independence lmao All you doing is letting the Tories off with a broken promise. Lets drop the what if on Scottish independence eh and deal with the fact promises are being broken by the UK that 13 frigates were suppose to be build on the Clyde not across the UK but on the damn Clyde Do you think the GMB union are in the wrong ? It's the "UK" that's doing this is it? Doesn't that include Scotland too then? The Clyde is building 8 Type 26 frigates, plus 5 off shore patrol vessels, plus an as yet unknown number of Type 31e frigates equals how many ships? Ok Type 26 programme was based on the assumption that 13 would be built - but that number was later cut to 8 correct ? 5 Type 31 frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards Again i will point this out 13 frigates were suppose to be ALL build on the Clyde The GMB union have accused the MoD of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde Do you now think the GMB union is wrong on what they are saying ? So fat you have only made reference to a Labour Party leaflet issued in the referendum saying that 13 frigates would be built on the Clyde (it would be helpful if you could actually quote what it actually said). Labour, at the time as now, where not the government so, unless you can find a government or even a Tory leaflet giving this so called promise I'm sticking by my original comment that I have no memory of such as promise being made. WTF ? Do you know Labour were part of Better Together with the Tories and Lib Dems ? So what just because Labour are not in government you honestly think its ok to break that promise? Breaking news back in 2014 there was fuck all parties in the Scottish referendum there was a YES side and a NO side So the no side put forward the whole 13 type 26 frigates would be build on the clyde did you say the Tories come out and say no no we are not committing to that ? Did you hell so people are going with that 13 type 26 frigates would be build then it got dropped to 8 type 26 frigates and you people seem to think that shit is fine ? No wonder the UK is fucked no one wants to challenage fuck all lol Total bullshit! No reasonable person would hold a Conservative government to account for promises made in a Labour leaflet. No reasonable person would claim that a promise had been made in a leaflet and then refuse to either give any help to those wanting to find out exactly what the leaflet did say or even quote exactly what the leaflet did say themselves. No reasonable would hold the Labour party responsible for a decision by a Conservative government not to build 13 frigates but instead to only build 8. No reasonable person would argue the UK's defence policy should be dictated solely by the wants or needs of workers or businesses on the Clyde or some, so far unsubstantiated, promise made by a party not actually in government at the time or now. Your whole argument seems to be based on the totally unreasonable argument that a Conservative government should be bound by what the Labour party might have promised and that the Labour party should be held accountable for decisions made by a Conservative government. Just read that last part of that last paragraph again. Read it out loud then think about how totally ridiculous and unreasonable it actually sounds. Right so are you about to go and tell me that anything the NO side in 2014 can be withheld from the Scottish people ? Not very wise remember they were not any parties back in 2014 it was Just the YES and NO side" No, I'm not going to say 'anything' the NO side said can be withheld or not delivered however I am going to say some things are no longer deliverable. To use your Mars Bar analogy. If I said to you "I'm going to the shops, i'll get you 13 Mars Bars" but when I get to the shops I find out i can't afford 13 Mars Bars so get 8 Mars Bars and 5 Milky Ways instead, does that mean I've broken a promise to you? | |||
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"The 8 Type 26 being built are the anti-submarine versions. The 5 that got cancelled off the order were general purpose, and these are to be replaced by the "budget" Type 31. A different ship altogether." The OP doesn't give a shit about the details, all they want to do is bang their independence drum as loud as they can. Not one person has agreed with the OP in the whole of the thread. As others have pointed out, it's not reasonable to expect that the party in power is held to a campaign pledge from another party. There is a much more interesting discussions to have about if 8 is enough type 26s, if a decent frigate can be made for £250m, who, if any, export customers are planned for the 6th type 31e onwards, if the UK/French anti-ship missile is a good idea, or if we should just purchase the US LRASM that can be fired from both a VLS aswell as the F35 giving a potent off the shelf capability today to both the RN and RAF. Recruitment issues for the forces etc. These are all much more interesting than the rubbish being peddled by the OP. | |||
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"The 8 Type 26 being built are the anti-submarine versions. The 5 that got cancelled off the order were general purpose, and these are to be replaced by the "budget" Type 31. A different ship altogether. The OP doesn't give a shit about the details, all they want to do is bang their independence drum as loud as they can. Not one person has agreed with the OP in the whole of the thread. As others have pointed out, it's not reasonable to expect that the party in power is held to a campaign pledge from another party. There is a much more interesting discussions to have about if 8 is enough type 26s, if a decent frigate can be made for £250m, who, if any, export customers are planned for the 6th type 31e onwards, if the UK/French anti-ship missile is a good idea, or if we should just purchase the US LRASM that can be fired from both a VLS aswell as the F35 giving a potent off the shelf capability today to both the RN and RAF. Recruitment issues for the forces etc. These are all much more interesting than the rubbish being peddled by the OP." Yes, although I see one idea being floated (no pun intended), is to bolt a big gun on the River class OPVs and call it a frigate, a move that will be surely resisted in the higher echelons of the RN. | |||
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"We could ask what percentage of the total number of type 26 required are being built on the Clyde? Strategic defence reviews happen, things change, and a leaflet from a campaign years ago doesn't have quite the same standing as a defence review. If every promise made in any campaign was legally binding, this countries finances would be 1000s of times worse than they already are. Has the SNP kept every promise they ever made in any publication? ??" Well even if you tried, it would be impossible to implement the policies of all parties, at the same time. Look at something like grammar schools, if one party says they will expand them, and one party says it will restrict them, how can you implement that? | |||
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"Kinky you and Jimmy Cranky minority government need to get over youselves. Education standards in Scotland are dropping. The economy is a disaster with a huge deficit created by the SNP bribing the prolitariate to keep them in power and taxes are the highest in the UK. Your socialist free for all is not working. SNP need to run Scotland properly within the UK before any one has confidence that they can do it as an independent nation. They have failed to do this hence the NO vote and support for independence falling. Time to face facts and to accept that Scotland will always be part of the UK." Who is telling you that education standards are dropping in Scotland i wonder ? Wow that really shows you you have not being paying attention only a few months ago it was all over the news that Scotland's ecomomy is out performing the rest of the UK by damn well miles lol Also fact check money is not devolved to Scotland and our Scottish government are not allowed to borrow so how can a government that is not permitted to borrow run up a deficit ? Better get onto the arseholes down in Westminster that are running the treasury as they are making are right tit of themselves running up a huge debt i the trillions but no no that something to be proud of lol You have been listening to Ruth Davidson too much lol You know when the SNP are doing the right thing when you have the Labour branch in Scotland saying to raise tax and then the Scottish Tories saying different so the SNP have t just right. Hell did you not see the Scottish council elections the SNP made it very clear that the Scottish government would give local councils the power to raise tax if they wish too and before the elections Labour had the majority of councils and guess what when they were given the power to raise tax they bottled and kept the council tax freeze so much eh for the Labour branch wanting to raise tax give them power and the fucking bottle it. So you think the SNP are not running Scotland properly may i ask what is it you want them to do ? Can i take a guess what your answer will be will it be the old crap line use the powers they have lol If you think the SNP is bad for Scotland name a party that you think could do better ? No its not thats your wishful thinking in the polls its neck and neck with independence. Ah right so i have to just shut up and stop believing in independence because you said i have to accept it lmao Take a look at the elections since 2014 notice a trend ? 2015 -SNP 2016 -SNP 2017 -SNP That means the SNP do have a triple lock mandate to have an independence referendum What are unionists so afraid of i mean do they not get that they will still be more than able to vote no again its like they are afraid that people are changing their minds on independence and you cant say they are not go to youtube and type in ''Journey to YES '' those were all no voters willing to now vote yes to independence then you have to take into count the newer 16-17 years that couldnt vote in 2014 and plus i think alot of EU citizens will be very pissed off in Scotland that the UK is treating them like horse shite | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work " I'm sorry to say Kinky, that the only person "not getting it" is you. And not for the first time. | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work " I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I'm sorry to say Kinky, that the only person "not getting it" is you. And not for the first time. "Right question for you Do you think that all three parties that formed Better Together were just allowed to say what they wanted to the people that then after the vote its just ok to withold everythng to what they said ? It dojnt matter who the fuck is in government those that promised shit in 2014 from the NO side need to be held accountable to what the promised or does that now not matter ? Where is Home Rule ? Oh wait i forgot it was Labour that came up with that so its allowed to be withheld because unionists say they are not in government Is that the way it works with unionists promise something then think its more than ok not to deliver on that promise ? Name one thing that Better Together delivered to Scotland ? | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum "Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ? So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao"No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public. I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that? | |||
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"Kinky I just hope that you are better at sex than politics otherwise you are wasting your time on Fab@" Thats a very unionist thing to do lol what things get pointed out and questions get asked unionists run a mile and your lack of answers to my questions say it lol Humor me So you think the SNP are not running Scotland properly may i ask what is it you want them to do ? If you think the SNP is bad for Scotland name a party that you think could do better ? | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that? "Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises"No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded. But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time.... | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time.... "''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ? As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ? Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK Which country were you meaning ? | |||
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"The only certainty was that if Scotland voted Leave, then the Royal Navy would not have it's ships built in Scotland. Do you have a copy of this so called "promise"? And I don't mean on some campaign literature....I mean on Goverment or MOD paper and signed by an authorised person?" Yes go look up Scottish Labour leaflets and you will see it clear states Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates are you now claiming thats not what it says ? Like i said Labour were part f your No side Are you telling me the extra powers that was btw not on the ballot paper should be witheld all because they werent on paper ? That would be interesting to have someone that is pro UK union state that they think the extra powers should be denied to Scotland because it wasnt on paper lol | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total.... "You didnt just say that So your saying it doesnt matter now You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ? Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet "Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland.. And read back i did say anyone that lies | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies "Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum. The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum "Your people did decide....they voted NO | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO "Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence Now lets look forward to the elections that have been 2015 - SNP 2016- SNP 2017- SNP So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum. | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum. "The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that. Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it. And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want | |||
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"The hilarious irony, that is obviously completely missed by the OP, is that if they had voted Labour, instead of presumably SNP, then we might have ended up with a Labour government, and they might have decided to build 13 type 26s! "Oh really ? Then please by all means can you explain why in the 2010 election Scotland voted 41 Scottish Labour MP into Westminster yet still Scotland got a Tory government we never voted for? You clearly dont have a clue on how bad Labour are up here in Scotland eh Also do you not remmber 2015 when Milliband stood there on live tv and said he would rather not form a government than do a deal with the SNP to lock the Tories out ? | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum.
The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that.
Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results
I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it.
And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want
"SNP still won the majority vote and the people gave them a mandate thats how that shit works In our opinion you think the result will be tha same. But it would appear the UK government and the pro unionsts are pussies to have another one. Ok you voted remain the problem you have is your country voted to leave the EU my country didnt vote to leave the EU and why in the hell shouldnt Scottish majority not be heard and for us to decide our future ? You said you not pro UK union correct and i quote ''Me im not pro union tbh'' So if your not pro union you are anti union lol Your the one that said that not me | |||
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""Name one thing that Better Together delivered to Scotland ?" Maintaining the Barnett formula, the one that funds and allows the snp government to do such "wonderful" things. Spending far in excess of that which it could raise. £13.3bn this year. " I love that you left out giving Scotland Home Rule What was it near federal state as can be lmao Yet strange the welfare powers that was going to be devolved was it fully devolved powers or was it that Westminster would still retain some of the powers ? How in the hell does that sound like Home Rule ? Not think this sounds better - Any money raised in Scotland stays in Scotland ? Why in the hell do you want to send money to a bunch of fannies that cant meet targats and are borrowing more and more and adding to the UK debt ? | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum.
The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that.
Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results
I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it.
And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want
SNP still won the majority vote and the people gave them a mandate thats how that shit works
In our opinion you think the result will be tha same. But it would appear the UK government and the pro unionsts are pussies to have another one.
Ok you voted remain the problem you have is your country voted to leave the EU my country didnt vote to leave the EU and why in the hell shouldnt Scottish majority not be heard and for us to decide our future ?
You said you not pro UK union correct and i quote ''Me im not pro union tbh''
So if your not pro union you are anti union lol Your the one that said that not me"A much greatly reduced majority as proved...personally i think your clutching at straws and quite desperate....we are not in 2014...2015 0r 2016 now...at the last election the SNP lost seats allover Scotland....they have run there course....there a one trick party as indeed UKIP were. As for me saying i'm not pro union doesn't mean i'm anti UK....the choice was in the hands of the Scottish people they said NO you lost...id agree with whatever you choose same way as i agree with whatever the outcome was of the Brexit vote.its called democracy. As for Brexit....we as people of the UK voted to leave the EU....YOUR NOT an independent state your part of the UK...and THE majority of the UK voted leave...its called democracy what is it that you don't understand on how it works | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum.
The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that.
Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results
I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it.
And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want
SNP still won the majority vote and the people gave them a mandate thats how that shit works
In our opinion you think the result will be tha same. But it would appear the UK government and the pro unionsts are pussies to have another one.
Ok you voted remain the problem you have is your country voted to leave the EU my country didnt vote to leave the EU and why in the hell shouldnt Scottish majority not be heard and for us to decide our future ?
You said you not pro UK union correct and i quote ''Me im not pro union tbh''
So if your not pro union you are anti union lol Your the one that said that not me
A much greatly reduced majority as proved...personally i think your clutching at straws and quite desperate....we are not in 2014...2015 0r 2016 now...at the last election the SNP lost seats allover Scotland....they have run there course....there a one trick party as indeed UKIP were.
As for me saying i'm not pro union doesn't mean i'm anti UK....the choice was in the hands of the Scottish people they said NO you lost...id agree with whatever you choose same way as i agree with whatever the outcome was of the Brexit vote.its called democracy.
As for Brexit....we as people of the UK voted to leave the EU....YOUR NOT an independent state your part of the UK...and THE majority of the UK voted leave...its called democracy what is it that you don't understand on how it works "Yes SNP lost seats but even though they lost seats they still managed to gain a majority of MP's what the hell does that say about the unionist branch offices that SNP lose seats but they still cant make a dent on the SNP majority lol Must be doing something right that people in Scotland are still electing them hehe one trick party ? Then why the hell is Corbyn copying SNP policies eh ? Ah right i get you so your saying Scotland's majority vote to remain in the EU have just to shut the fuck up and accept being dragged out of the EU with a UK government Scotland didnt vote for Yes Scotland is apart of the UK and as part of the UK our voices should be heard to not ignored If England wanna go and leave then thats their choice the majority voted for it then be happy with your brexit but Scotland didnt vote for it and will have a way out of this brexit mess David Davis refuses to meet the Scottish and Welsh governments Yet Michel Barnier will meet MSP in Holyrood speaks volumes eh that the UK government have little respect for Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland yet here is the EU willing to meet our MSP's in Holyrood. Still wondering why there is still plenty of pro independence supporters that are not going to go away and there is even no voters joined the YES movement to get away from the UK ? If the UK government do not treat Scotland with respect we are off packing our bags and see ya later lol | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum.
The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that.
Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results
I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it.
And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want
SNP still won the majority vote and the people gave them a mandate thats how that shit works
In our opinion you think the result will be tha same. But it would appear the UK government and the pro unionsts are pussies to have another one.
Ok you voted remain the problem you have is your country voted to leave the EU my country didnt vote to leave the EU and why in the hell shouldnt Scottish majority not be heard and for us to decide our future ?
You said you not pro UK union correct and i quote ''Me im not pro union tbh''
So if your not pro union you are anti union lol Your the one that said that not me
A much greatly reduced majority as proved...personally i think your clutching at straws and quite desperate....we are not in 2014...2015 0r 2016 now...at the last election the SNP lost seats allover Scotland....they have run there course....there a one trick party as indeed UKIP were.
As for me saying i'm not pro union doesn't mean i'm anti UK....the choice was in the hands of the Scottish people they said NO you lost...id agree with whatever you choose same way as i agree with whatever the outcome was of the Brexit vote.its called democracy.
As for Brexit....we as people of the UK voted to leave the EU....YOUR NOT an independent state your part of the UK...and THE majority of the UK voted leave...its called democracy what is it that you don't understand on how it works
Yes SNP lost seats but even though they lost seats they still managed to gain a majority of MP's what the hell does that say about the unionist branch offices that SNP lose seats but they still cant make a dent on the SNP majority lol
Must be doing something right that people in Scotland are still electing them hehe
one trick party ? Then why the hell is Corbyn copying SNP policies eh ?
Ah right i get you so your saying Scotland's majority vote to remain in the EU have just to shut the fuck up and accept being dragged out of the EU with a UK government Scotland didnt vote for
Yes Scotland is apart of the UK and as part of the UK our voices should be heard to not ignored
If England wanna go and leave then thats their choice the majority voted for it then be happy with your brexit but Scotland didnt vote for it and will have a way out of this brexit mess
David Davis refuses to meet the Scottish and Welsh governments
Yet Michel Barnier will meet MSP in Holyrood
speaks volumes eh that the UK government have little respect for Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland yet here is the EU willing to meet our MSP's in Holyrood.
Still wondering why there is still plenty of pro independence supporters that are not going to go away and there is even no voters joined the YES movement to get away from the UK ?
If the UK government do not treat Scotland with respect we are off packing our bags and see ya later lol"jeez this is like hearing cats.....the UK voted to leave Scotland is a region of the UK...NOT an independent state....London voted remain....should they also be pushing for independence from the Uk...your arguments make no sense what so ever.... YOU as a nation had the chance to break away from the UK....THE majority voted to stay...the SNP LOST that vote and feared very very badly at the last election...and will fear even more badly at the next one....there all but finished up in Scotland...its called democracy YOU and the SNP had your chance you fucked it up....just like we did as remainers in the Brexit vote | |||
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"Wow some people really dont get it Labour were part of the Better Together camp and they put forward that Govan and Scotstoun WILL GET 13 type 26 frigates that there is a promise from Better Together It now honestly comes across as if your all saying that it is somehow acceptable to withhold that promise to build 13 type 26 frigates i honestly cant believe what am seeing from people on here giving the excuse cause Labour are not in government its ok to withold a promise of 13 type 26 frigates So what are people telling me its ok for the Tories to withold building 13 type 26 frigates ? So any of you know Labour , Tory and Lib Dem all joined together in the Better Together ? God your really shafting your fellow unionists that helped keep the union together by telling them you dont care that a promise is being broken also seems like people dont give a flying fuck about those shipyard workers on the Clyde that were given a promise to have 13 type 26 frigates build on the clyde and even the type 31e is going across the UK that was not the promise but seems like your happy for those shipyard workers on the clyde to lose out on work I think the only person NOT getting it is you....but then your mind is clouded because the SNP lost the independence vote. Labour cannot and i'll state it again be held to task what the Tories do.... There was an MOD defense review after that and they decided they didn't need those 13 frigates....BUT they replaced them with OTHER ships to be built on the Clyde....now me if i was a worker there id be jumping for joy....as the government could had turned around and just built the 8 and the other ships elsewhere across the UK. Your arguments are fruitless on this and don't really make a lot of sense. As for being lied to....we as a country have been lied to by our politicians for years and years...and i include the SNP in that....the most recent bunch of lies came in the Brexit referendum
Ah right so your the very same so you think those that were in the NO side back in 2014 were allowed to say what the hell they want and and after the vote just withold everything they said ?
So yur saying because Labour are not in government thats more than ok to wthout what Scotland was promised by the Better Together mob ? Wow democracy eh
Which country are you on about ? 4 countries are i this UK union
If you think the UK is one country by that logic you must then think the EU is one country lmao
No i dont think they should be allowed to say or make up lies....but theres a HUGE difference here...and your not getting it.....THE WAS A MOD REVIEW after the vote....for all you and i know...they were telling the truth at the time....in the same way i dont believe Farage and the leave cronies should not be able to get away with blatantly misleading the public.
I'll end on this....THEY MIGHT not had been lies at that time because of the review...now just think about that?
Right so you agree with me they should deliver on their promise from 2014 to build 13 type 26 frigates correct ? You sad they shouldnt be allowed to say and and make up lies or withhold promises
No i dont agree...but they have kept there promise to a certain degree...they are building 13 ships on the Clyde which will guarantee work for a lot of years....that news is very good news for Scotland...and anyone who says its not is frankly deluded.
But i firmly believe that any and i mean any politicians that tell lies to either further themselves or there party should be held to account...once more i'll state it....things changed with the defense review.....those claims made in your leaflet could well had been true at that time....
''to a certain degree'' which means altered what the promised
So here we are again you say 13 ships are being build on the Clyde are you saying its going to be the 13 type 26 frigates ?
As other people above clearly are not saying that they are saying 8 type 26 frigates are being build so which is it
Is it 13 type 26 frigates ? Or 8 type 26 frigates ?
Also did you notice the type 31e are being build across the UK
Which country were you meaning ?
Your totally missing the point about the review....your judgement is clouded because you lost the vote..
Doesn't matter what type of ships they are....your getting to build 13 in total....
You didnt just say that
So your saying it doesnt matter now
You honestly going to tell that to people that voted no back in 2014 that were promised that 13 type 26 frigates will be build on the Clyde then it dropped to 8 and to you thats just ok and dont matter ?
Tell that to those shpyard workers on that Clyde eh that thought by voting no would make sure they would get to build 13 of the type 26 frigates
It really does show you how much the pro union side care about promises
the unionist parties could promise you the land of milk and honey and you would lap it up and even when they screw you it dont matter you tuck and run without putting up a challenge to those that promise you things
Take a long where is the people challenging the leave side on their lie about the 350million for the NHS thats all gone very quiet
Me im not pro union tbh....id give you independence any time...same as i would Ireland..
And read back i did say anyone that lies
Good , good you should get onto your MP then and tell them you want the UK union to end and you want an English independence referendum.
The people of Scotland will decide that but if your wanting the union to end then you know what to do and England to have their own independence referendum
Your people did decide....they voted NO
Yup correct back in 2014 the people of Scotland said no to independence
Now lets look forward to the elections that have been
2015 - SNP
2016- SNP
2017- SNP
So the Scottish people elected a party with a manifesto policy to have the right to hold an independence referendum if Scotland were to be forced out of the EU against our will
There is a triple lock mandate So the people of Scotland has the right to again to decide our future and to block it my god that would be so wrong and would only prove the UK is a dictatorship. No government has the right to deny people they right to change their minds on independence
Like i said though if your anti UK and want to see the break up of the UK get onto your MP and tell them you want an English independence referendum.
The SNP won with a greater reduced majority even you must admit that.
Then fine if that's what they voted for let the SNP push it through Holyrood...but i believe they have said now is not the time...but i'll bet you the result will be tha same as last time you voted...ie the election results
I was forced out the EU against my will....its called democracy...when you have a binding vote you have to accept the result....does not necessarily mean i agree with it.
And please don't try to put words into my mouth i'm NOT anti UK ....id just let you have independence like a lot of other English people would....the same goes with Nth Ireland and Wales if thats what the people want
SNP still won the majority vote and the people gave them a mandate thats how that shit works
In our opinion you think the result will be tha same. But it would appear the UK government and the pro unionsts are pussies to have another one.
Ok you voted remain the problem you have is your country voted to leave the EU my country didnt vote to leave the EU and why in the hell shouldnt Scottish majority not be heard and for us to decide our future ?
You said you not pro UK union correct and i quote ''Me im not pro union tbh''
So if your not pro union you are anti union lol Your the one that said that not me
A much greatly reduced majority as proved...personally i think your clutching at straws and quite desperate....we are not in 2014...2015 0r 2016 now...at the last election the SNP lost seats allover Scotland....they have run there course....there a one trick party as indeed UKIP were.
As for me saying i'm not pro union doesn't mean i'm anti UK....the choice was in the hands of the Scottish people they said NO you lost...id agree with whatever you choose same way as i agree with whatever the outcome was of the Brexit vote.its called democracy.
As for Brexit....we as people of the UK voted to leave the EU....YOUR NOT an independent state your part of the UK...and THE majority of the UK voted leave...its called democracy what is it that you don't understand on how it works
Yes SNP lost seats but even though they lost seats they still managed to gain a majority of MP's what the hell does that say about the unionist branch offices that SNP lose seats but they still cant make a dent on the SNP majority lol
Must be doing something right that people in Scotland are still electing them hehe
one trick party ? Then why the hell is Corbyn copying SNP policies eh ?
Ah right i get you so your saying Scotland's majority vote to remain in the EU have just to shut the fuck up and accept being dragged out of the EU with a UK government Scotland didnt vote for
Yes Scotland is apart of the UK and as part of the UK our voices should be heard to not ignored
If England wanna go and leave then thats their choice the majority voted for it then be happy with your brexit but Scotland didnt vote for it and will have a way out of this brexit mess
David Davis refuses to meet the Scottish and Welsh governments
Yet Michel Barnier will meet MSP in Holyrood
speaks volumes eh that the UK government have little respect for Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland yet here is the EU willing to meet our MSP's in Holyrood.
Still wondering why there is still plenty of pro independence supporters that are not going to go away and there is even no voters joined the YES movement to get away from the UK ?
If the UK government do not treat Scotland with respect we are off packing our bags and see ya later lol
jeez this is like hearing cats.....the UK voted to leave Scotland is a region of the UK...NOT an independent state....London voted remain....should they also be pushing for independence from the Uk...your arguments make no sense what so ever....
YOU as a nation had the chance to break away from the UK....THE majority voted to stay...the SNP LOST that vote and feared very very badly at the last election...and will fear even more badly at the next one....there all but finished up in Scotland...its called democracy YOU and the SNP had your chance you fucked it up....just like we did as remainers in the Brexit vote "The snp lost 22 seats at last election by tactical voting by the 3 unionist parties but still have more seats than the 3 of them put together so id say thats still a good result ,when the next indyref takes place in about 18months i think you will see the snp yes voters wiping the floor with the unionists and will easily win independence | |||
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"If you think that 63% of Scots voted for unionist parties is good for the snp? Then can I have a pint of what you,re drinking? Many of their seats have extremely slim majorities, one got in by only 2 votes! They are on the wane. They are still a major party but their popularity is falling due to their myopic obsession on independence to the detriment of the economy and services which they are in control of. The recent programme for government that includes "major reforms" in areas that they are responsible for, is an admission of ten years of failure. A decade wasted, sacrificed on the altar of independence." Is that you trying very hard to club together the unionist vote Now lets try again Now can you tell me how each of the unionists branches got in Scotland ? IN % please Scottish Labour - % ? Scottish Tory - % ? Scottish Lib Dem - % ? | |||
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"OP, how many frigates were promised by the independence campaign? " Ah thats right lets just skip right over what the unionist parties promised eh ? No no Scotland is at this very moment independent so lets keep to your UK right So how many type 26 frigates were promised by the Better Together mob ? This is cop out when it comes to calling out unionists lies its always comes right back to what if Scotland were independent no no deal with the present or i call out bullshit that unionists hate going into their fucked up history of lying and getting away with it because people wont challenge why they are not delivering on what they promised | |||
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"If you think that 63% of Scots voted for unionist parties is good for the snp? Then can I have a pint of what you,re drinking? Many of their seats have extremely slim majorities, one got in by only 2 votes! They are on the wane. They are still a major party but their popularity is falling due to their myopic obsession on independence to the detriment of the economy and services which they are in control of. The recent programme for government that includes "major reforms" in areas that they are responsible for, is an admission of ten years of failure. A decade wasted, sacrificed on the altar of independence." That was a general election not an indy referendum and many who voted for them parties are indy supporters also the 16 and 17 yr olds who will be allowed to vote in a referendum,really dont get where your coming from on snp on the wane as they are and will be the main party for many yrs to come and if you think the snp wasted a decade you should take your unionist glasses off as the snp done more good for scotland in that decade than labour done in 100yrs suppose we will just have to wait 18 months or so to find out whos right | |||
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"OP, how many frigates were promised by the independence campaign? Ah thats right lets just skip right over what the unionist parties promised eh ? No no Scotland is at this very moment independent so lets keep to your UK right So how many type 26 frigates were promised by the Better Together mob ? This is cop out when it comes to calling out unionists lies its always comes right back to what if Scotland were independent no no deal with the present or i call out bullshit that unionists hate going into their fucked up history of lying and getting away with it because people wont challenge why they are not delivering on what they promised " Well you are talking about a campaign pledge. So it's important to look at what both sides pledged. So what did the independence side pledge when it came to frigates? | |||
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"OP, how many frigates were promised by the independence campaign? Ah thats right lets just skip right over what the unionist parties promised eh ? No no Scotland is at this very moment independent so lets keep to your UK right So how many type 26 frigates were promised by the Better Together mob ? This is cop out when it comes to calling out unionists lies its always comes right back to what if Scotland were independent no no deal with the present or i call out bullshit that unionists hate going into their fucked up history of lying and getting away with it because people wont challenge why they are not delivering on what they promised Well you are talking about a campaign pledge. So it's important to look at what both sides pledged. So what did the independence side pledge when it came to frigates?" Right so you want to by pass what was promised to the people in Scotland ? How many type 26 frigates did Better Together promise ? Why do you think its acceptable to lie to people ? You know fine well it was 13 type 26 frigates yet Scotland only get 8 that is a lie to the Scottish people why in the hell is no one challenging that ? Do you not care about those shipyard workers on that clyde ? AS thats what is seriously sounds like | |||
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"OP, how many frigates were promised by the independence campaign? Ah thats right lets just skip right over what the unionist parties promised eh ? No no Scotland is at this very moment independent so lets keep to your UK right So how many type 26 frigates were promised by the Better Together mob ? This is cop out when it comes to calling out unionists lies its always comes right back to what if Scotland were independent no no deal with the present or i call out bullshit that unionists hate going into their fucked up history of lying and getting away with it because people wont challenge why they are not delivering on what they promised Well you are talking about a campaign pledge. So it's important to look at what both sides pledged. So what did the independence side pledge when it came to frigates? Right so you want to by pass what was promised to the people in Scotland ? How many type 26 frigates did Better Together promise ? Why do you think its acceptable to lie to people ? You know fine well it was 13 type 26 frigates yet Scotland only get 8 that is a lie to the Scottish people why in the hell is no one challenging that ? Do you not care about those shipyard workers on that clyde ? AS thats what is seriously sounds like" I'm saying lets compare both sets of pledges. But of course you are too cowardly to put up the non-existant independence pledge regarding friagtes. | |||
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