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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit. |
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over a year ago
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit."
I thought that the trade talks between US & UK were to be conducted in total secrecy and we would only told what the deal was once we signed up for it? I know transparency was a big thing to the government, but this is at the behest of the U.S. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit."
May not be quite true.. what the UK government could do is actually the same in return... less landing slots for us airlines especially at places like Heathrow where they all want to fly into...
But yes it will likely mean prices going up |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit."
Pure rubbish,the US airlines want to fly into Heathrow and it is a two way thing |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit.Pure rubbish,the US airlines want to fly into Heathrow and it is a two way thing"
That's the point, American planes, American companies, American staff, all paying American taxes, not British planes, companies, staff etc. paying British taxes. |
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit.Pure rubbish,the US airlines want to fly into Heathrow and it is a two way thing"
You say 'rubbish', not based on facts but your kneejerk reaction. The UK has to take what landing slots it's given in the USA. Heathrow slots are attractive but that goes without saying, however few or many that the UK has in another country. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit.Pure rubbish,the US airlines want to fly into Heathrow and it is a two way thing
That's the point, American planes, American companies, American staff, all paying American taxes, not British planes, companies, staff etc. paying British taxes. "
One of the sticking points in the current UK-USA bi-lateral talks on aviation, is the fact that the biggest UK carriers aren't majority owned by the UK, a requirement of the USA.
The USA are also wanting more access to British overseas territories in the Caribbean, and a few other small administrative points.
The USA have started the negotiations as hard as they can, as would be expected. How much they come in towards our position will become clearer over the coming months. |
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit.Pure rubbish,the US airlines want to fly into Heathrow and it is a two way thing
That's the point, American planes, American companies, American staff, all paying American taxes, not British planes, companies, staff etc. paying British taxes.
One of the sticking points in the current UK-USA bi-lateral talks on aviation, is the fact that the biggest UK carriers aren't majority owned by the UK, a requirement of the USA.
The USA are also wanting more access to British overseas territories in the Caribbean, and a few other small administrative points.
The USA have started the negotiations as hard as they can, as would be expected. How much they come in towards our position will become clearer over the coming months."
Three guesses who will end up doing the most "giving"? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect |
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"Perhaps as a sign of things to come, early indications are that because of economic weighting, U.K. airlines will have fewer slots flying to the United States than they do at present. The U.K. outside of the EU does not command the equivalent economic power to be able to match US Airlines slot for slot. This is an early ndicator of how future bilateral trade deals will play out across the world as plucky little Britain accepts worse deals than we have now, because our economic presence in the world will be reduced to a “little country.”
We will still get to the US easy enough but more likely using American carriers than British ones.
It doesn’t matter about Airlines snyway - they are just the elites and Brexit means Brexit.
I thought that the trade talks between US & UK were to be conducted in total secrecy and we would only told what the deal was once we signed up for it? I know transparency was a big thing to the government, but this is at the behest of the U.S. "
The Remoaners know everything though |
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"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect"
. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?"
The problem is the UK won't be in the Open Skies agreement after we leave. That means we have to negotiate a new agreement. But as airlines work their schedules a year in advance, the airline's need to know within the next few months what is happening.
Ryanair have been the most vocal on this and have threatened all sorts of things, although Michael O Leary seems to have backed down from his "grounding of all his planes" plan. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?"
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
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"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
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well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where |
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"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where "
It's not just alternative flight companies customers can look at. For short flights to say Rep.of Ireland or France or Holland people could also look at going by car then getting the Ferry over sea crossing or in the case of France the channel tunnel by train. So there are serious alternatives for customers to look at. Bad business move by Michael O Leary at Ryanair if he goes down that route and could cost Ryanair millions in lost revenue. |
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well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where "
Just for a change youve completely missed the point.
If Ryanair stopped getting sales then the other companies wouldnt be able to take on all those customers. So either people will end up flying Ryanair or not flying at all.
If Ryanairs costs go up then so does every other airline. Theres no special way that costs increase for Ryanair and not anyone else in this situation. |
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"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where
It's not just alternative flight companies customers can look at. For short flights to say Rep.of Ireland or France or Holland people could also look at going by car then getting the Ferry over sea crossing or in the case of France the channel tunnel by train. So there are serious alternatives for customers to look at. Bad business move by Michael O Leary at Ryanair if he goes down that route and could cost Ryanair millions in lost revenue. "
Brexits great, people have always wanted narrower options when it comes to holidays. All that choice was so aggravating. Who'd want to take an hours flight from London to Paris when you can have 6 hours in a car instead!
But why stop there? Malaga is only 23 hours drive! Beats being on a plane for 2.5 hours. Much better to spend a days holidays getting there and a day getting back! Thats if you dont ever stop for breaks of course, if youre one if those weak people that needs sleep and food then you can expect it you be a 36 hour drive. So just the three days out of your holidays on the round trip. |
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Well at least your. Not going over the top then so if you don't fly Ryanair you really can't get another flight then and if flights do go up no one will be able to afford them we all better book butlins then eh |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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It's not just alternative flight companies customers can look at. For short flights to say Rep.of Ireland or France or Holland people could also look at going by car then getting the Ferry over sea crossing or in the case of France the channel tunnel by train. So there are serious alternatives for customers to look at. Bad business move by Michael O Leary at Ryanair if he goes down that route and could cost Ryanair millions in lost revenue. "
really.... just out of interest.. i live in newcastle....
how long would the travel time be for me between newcastle and dublin by the means you suggest?
okay... how about newcastle and paris?????
just curious like!
see... you can be flippant with your "one size fits all" solution.... but its not that easy for all...
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"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where
It's not just alternative flight companies customers can look at. For short flights to say Rep.of Ireland or France or Holland people could also look at going by car then getting the Ferry over sea crossing or in the case of France the channel tunnel by train. So there are serious alternatives for customers to look at. Bad business move by Michael O Leary at Ryanair if he goes down that route and could cost Ryanair millions in lost revenue.
Brexits great, people have always wanted narrower options when it comes to holidays. All that choice was so aggravating. Who'd want to take an hours flight from London to Paris when you can have 6 hours in a car instead!
But why stop there? Malaga is only 23 hours drive! Beats being on a plane for 2.5 hours. Much better to spend a days holidays getting there and a day getting back! Thats if you dont ever stop for breaks of course, if youre one if those weak people that needs sleep and food then you can expect it you be a 36 hour drive. So just the three days out of your holidays on the round trip."
The journey time from London to Paris on the Eurostar channel tunnel is 2 hours 20 minutes so not much extra inconvenience over flying! Judging by my own experience of flying with Ryanair the eurostar channel tunnel time of 2 hours 20 mins will probably be quicker than Ryanair as they are always delayed or late for one reason or another, Flying Ryanair is absolute shambles.
I do wonder if you are able to understand English as I never mentioned Spain or Malaga in my post, I said SHORT flights to nearby countries like Rep.of Ireland, France and Holland going by car and getting the ferry over is a serious and realistic alternative for customers.
I'm positive and optimistic an agreement will be reached between the UK and the EU though that will resolve all of this, but as per usual you and other remoaners look to be constantly negative and pessimistic pumping out your scaremongering rhetoric. Project fear never worked for Remain during the referendum you are seriously deluded if you think it's going to work now. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Well at least your. Not going over the top then so if you don't fly Ryanair you really can't get another flight then and if flights do go up no one will be able to afford them we all better book butlins then eh "
i think the point is more "if this is the direction that ryanair have decided to go, you can probably guess that others are going to be looking at similar options because they are all faced with the same problem...
point being if something isn't decided in the next couple of months no one is going to be able to guarentee any flight
at worst, they could have grounded all flights..... this way they are going to see thickets, but for example people booking holidays (hotels ect) are going to have to be very very careful because if the flight doesn't go.. the airline are not going to be held responsible if it is a open skies airslots issue... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" I said SHORT flights to nearby countries like Rep.of Ireland, France and Holland going by car and getting the ferry over is a serious and realistic alternative for customers.
I'm positive and optimistic an agreement will be reached between the UK and the EU though that will resolve all of this, but as per usual you and other remoaners look to be constantly negative and pessimistic pumping out your scaremongering rhetoric. Project fear never worked for Remain during the referendum you are seriously deluded if you think it's going to work now. "
the problem is you call everything "project fear".... the reality is that the aviation industry have been screaming about this all thru the process and with the schedules they know that time was always going to be tighter to sort out things like this...
a50 says two years to leave... airlines say they schedule 12 months in advance... and person would have said you then have 12 months to sort it out..... so if people do sweet FA for the first 9 months or the 12 you have.... you can't blame the airlines!!!!!
you picked the bloody leaving date for god sake!!!!
the answer anyone who leaves always says to any topic is "we'll get it sorted!!".....
so when does project fear become project real.... because the airlines are telling you what WILL happen is you don't get it sorted! |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"It is not just transatlantic flights that there may be a consequence.. as of September if there is no UK-eu agreement in place Ryanair have confirmed they will put a caveat on all tickets sold to/from UK that the ticket is provisional and the flight may not happen..
Smart thing to do as it protects them from any cases with regards to compensation claims for holidays ect. Fabio won't ppl just use easy jet monarch jet2 or any other cheap airline then ?
Wow... Did you really just write that?
1) Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe - where will the extra capacity come from if everyone chose to book with EasyJet/Jet2 etc - even assuming they had the same routes?
2) Why do you think that EasyJet and Jet2 will be exempt from any restrictions in the Open Skies Agreement? Ryanair are simply adding a legal caveat to their advance bookings which I suspect that every other airline will also do.
This is classic Brexitology. Think up a simple answer to a complex question and believe it to be the solution.
well we have only flew with Ryanair once and as customers we can choose who we fly with as everyone else can choose if prices go up we simply fly with another airline same as anything else if prices go up you look else where "
When you voted to Leave did you really vote to give yourself fewer choices and less flexibility? Did it occur to you that it was the EU via its Open Skies policy that opened up the airline market across Europe and enabled the low-cost operators to give you the choice and flexibility that you now have? |
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" I said SHORT flights to nearby countries like Rep.of Ireland, France and Holland going by car and getting the ferry over is a serious and realistic alternative for customers.
I'm positive and optimistic an agreement will be reached between the UK and the EU though that will resolve all of this, but as per usual you and other remoaners look to be constantly negative and pessimistic pumping out your scaremongering rhetoric. Project fear never worked for Remain during the referendum you are seriously deluded if you think it's going to work now.
the problem is you call everything "project fear".... the reality is that the aviation industry have been screaming about this all thru the process and with the schedules they know that time was always going to be tighter to sort out things like this...
a50 says two years to leave... airlines say they schedule 12 months in advance... and person would have said you then have 12 months to sort it out..... so if people do sweet FA for the first 9 months or the 12 you have.... you can't blame the airlines!!!!!
you picked the bloody leaving date for god sake!!!!
the answer anyone who leaves always says to any topic is "we'll get it sorted!!".....
so when does project fear become project real.... because the airlines are telling you what WILL happen is you don't get it sorted!"
When does project fear become project real? Good question!!! Has anything project fear predicted in the referendum actually come true yet?
As for Ryanair, you could publish a 100 page joke book about them as there have been that many jokes about Ryanairs service over the years. Ryanair are a joke!!! |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Judging by my own experience of flying with Ryanair the eurostar channel tunnel time of 2 hours 20 mins will probably be quicker than Ryanair as they are always delayed or late for one reason or another, Flying Ryanair is absolute shambles. "
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Of all the airlines flying to/from UK airports in the last full year stats (2016) Ryanair flights on average posted a 13.5 minute delay across more than 200,000 flights.
Several other "popular" UK carriers had the following average delays:
14.7 minutes (British Airways)
15.7 minutes (Jet2)
16.7 minutes (Thomas Cook)
18.1 minutes (Thomson Airlines)
20 minutes (EasyJet)
I guess you were just unlucky?
Some people are |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
The Council of Elrond |
Talking of airlines
Thomas Cook are inserting a Brexit clause for all holidays booked after March 2019. That may invalidate your insurance if Brexit means no flights etc and they cancel. Be aware |
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