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"Thats right, brexit is only responsible for good news.No in your opinion it's responsible for everything as long as it's bad news!!"  | |||
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"Should I put up the price of the venison I sell onto my local butcher "Are times getting a bit tight for you? Sure, put the prices up if you need to. | |||
"Should I put up the price of the venison I sell onto my local butcher
Are times getting a bit tight for you? Sure, put the prices up if you need to."£40 for a Roe £80 for a Red or 4 given and one given back butchered meat and packed, that's been the deal for last 5 years, | |||
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"Food prices have risen because the pound became weaker as a direct result of the Leave vote. We import most of our food. The price of everything that we import has risen as has the cost of travelling abroad. That's one of two unambiguous consequences of Brexit. The other is an increase in manufactured exports. Does any Leavers believe that this is not the case?" Between 2013 and 2015 the pound gained 20% against the Euro, going from 1.17 to 1.41. Did food prices drop? Months before the referendum the IMF, the OECD and the BoE all said that the pound was overvalued by up to 20%, and needed to drop to benefit the economy. | |||
"Food prices have risen because the pound became weaker as a direct result of the Leave vote. We import most of our food. The price of everything that we import has risen as has the cost of travelling abroad. That's one of two unambiguous consequences of Brexit. The other is an increase in manufactured exports. Does any Leavers believe that this is not the case? Between 2013 and 2015 the pound gained 20% against the Euro, going from 1.17 to 1.41. Did food prices drop? Months before the referendum the IMF, the OECD and the BoE all said that the pound was overvalued by up to 20%, and needed to drop to benefit the economy." So by your logic the situation is even worse than I specified because there will be a long lag before prices will fall if the pound strengthens. Alternatively, should I assume that you are saying that inflation and manufacturing exports did not increase as a consequence of the vote? You didn't actually say. | |||
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"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. " PYO  | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. " Autonomous machines are coming until then prisoners and the unemployed can fill the gap. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO "Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production. Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish. "whats wrong with the Amish? | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?"There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to."They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase. Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour."So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive? 
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit. "Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food. Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now. "I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs. We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now. "A change in the value of the pound has no impact on the living or employment conditions of people in other countries, and we have employment laws in this country, so perhaps I am missing your point? | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
A change in the value of the pound has no impact on the living or employment conditions of people in other countries, and we have employment laws in this country, so perhaps I am missing your point? "Maybe the migrant workers see countries with improving economies as better prospects than our own. Food production and food consumption needs a radical rethink as we go forward. | |||
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"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
A change in the value of the pound has no impact on the living or employment conditions of people in other countries, and we have employment laws in this country, so perhaps I am missing your point?
Maybe the migrant workers see countries with improving economies as better prospects than our own.
Food production and food consumption needs a radical rethink as we go forward."Radical like cancel Brexit and make everything 20% cheaper? | |||
"When I lived in Israel all the moshavs had men from Thailand working on them.We could buy in our cheap labour from abroad on temporary contracts.Its not that difficult." There are lots of Thais in Israel, they are cheap, and not considered a security risk. Thailand is one of those rare countries that both import labour (Burmese for example) and also export labour. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
A change in the value of the pound has no impact on the living or employment conditions of people in other countries, and we have employment laws in this country, so perhaps I am missing your point?
Maybe the migrant workers see countries with improving economies as better prospects than our own.
Food production and food consumption needs a radical rethink as we go forward.
Radical like cancel Brexit and make everything 20% cheaper? "I look forward not back. The referendum has been and gone. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
A change in the value of the pound has no impact on the living or employment conditions of people in other countries, and we have employment laws in this country, so perhaps I am missing your point?
Maybe the migrant workers see countries with improving economies as better prospects than our own.
Food production and food consumption needs a radical rethink as we go forward.
Radical like cancel Brexit and make everything 20% cheaper?
I look forward not back. The referendum has been and gone. "Ok, so let's look forward to rejoining the EU then | |||
"When I lived in Israel all the moshavs had men from Thailand working on them.We could buy in our cheap labour from abroad on temporary contracts.Its not that difficult. There are lots of Thais in Israel, they are cheap, and not considered a security risk. Thailand is one of those rare countries that both import labour (Burmese for example) and also export labour." Why can't we use thai labour on our farms.In Israel they are provided accommodation and contracted for a few years. | |||
"When I lived in Israel all the moshavs had men from Thailand working on them.We could buy in our cheap labour from abroad on temporary contracts.Its not that difficult. There are lots of Thais in Israel, they are cheap, and not considered a security risk. Thailand is one of those rare countries that both import labour (Burmese for example) and also export labour. Why can't we use thai labour on our farms.In Israel they are provided accommodation and contracted for a few years." Because they don't meet the criteria set by the government. | |||
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"When I lived in Israel all the moshavs had men from Thailand working on them.We could buy in our cheap labour from abroad on temporary contracts.Its not that difficult. There are lots of Thais in Israel, they are cheap, and not considered a security risk. Thailand is one of those rare countries that both import labour (Burmese for example) and also export labour." they also export wife's a few old codgers from local pubs go over every year and abuse the females, these females wouldn't even consider these guys for a second would it not be a passport to UK | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive."How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis. If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned . Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds . The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees . | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to."Not to mention it'd be neigh impossible due to the population size vs workable agricultural land. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis.
If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned .
Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds .
The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees . "The UK is one of the least food self sufficient developed nations. As of 2016 and 2017 the UK intefnal market only supplied 49% of the consumed food within the country. Of the remaining 51%, 30% of foods based goods came from the EU. The remaining 19% was divided up mainly between the SEA nations, canada, NZ and OZ. The simple reality is that the sterling has not recovered and anythimg imported will increase to some variability in value. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis.
If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned .
Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds .
The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees .
The UK is one of the least food self sufficient developed nations.
As of 2016 and 2017 the UK intefnal market only supplied 49% of the consumed food within the country.
Of the remaining 51%, 30% of foods based goods came from the EU. The remaining 19% was divided up mainly between the SEA nations, canada, NZ and OZ.
The simple reality is that the sterling has not recovered and anythimg imported will increase to some variability in value."And that's why we need a reasoned debate and plan to take agriculture forward. If self-sustainability is the goal in food production, then the increase in land being turned over for crops for biomass fuel production is worrying. I'm not advocating that isn't important but a balance has to be identified and brokered. We complain that our diets contain too much sugar, but the scrapping of EU sugar quotas, has meant more beet production and higher yields. Whilst beet is a rotation crop, would a better crop be more advantageous to our needs? | |||
"Don't blame it on brexit, it was bound to happen anyway "  | |||
"When I lived in Israel all the moshavs had men from Thailand working on them.We could buy in our cheap labour from abroad on temporary contracts.Its not that difficult. There are lots of Thais in Israel, they are cheap, and not considered a security risk. Thailand is one of those rare countries that both import labour (Burmese for example) and also export labour. Why can't we use thai labour on our farms.In Israel they are provided accommodation and contracted for a few years." You would then moan there taking jobs of British people and bringing wages down as happens now when EU citizens come in and for the work your being very very two faced | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis.
If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned .
Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds .
The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees .
The UK is one of the least food self sufficient developed nations.
As of 2016 and 2017 the UK intefnal market only supplied 49% of the consumed food within the country.
Of the remaining 51%, 30% of foods based goods came from the EU. The remaining 19% was divided up mainly between the SEA nations, canada, NZ and OZ.
The simple reality is that the sterling has not recovered and anythimg imported will increase to some variability in value.
And that's why we need a reasoned debate and plan to take agriculture forward.
If self-sustainability is the goal in food production, then the increase in land being turned over for crops for biomass fuel production is worrying. I'm not advocating that isn't important but a balance has to be identified and brokered.
We complain that our diets contain too much sugar, but the scrapping of EU sugar quotas, has meant more beet production and higher yields. Whilst beet is a rotation crop, would a better crop be more advantageous to our needs?
"It's a complex issue with so many socio-economic factors in play that it'd be very impractical to have a public debate on the issue. The members of the public who are interested in the discussion already are discussing it. I'd say this, self sufficiency will be hard on practical ground for two reasons. A.) Market demands. We want oranges, grapes, olives...whatever. Many of our favourite imports have specific soil and temperature requirements which we don't have here, or that the cost of replicating would be too much. B.) Seasonal growing and seasonal yield. In Britain we can get one or two reliable harvests of most crops each year. Many other nations can either do more due to climate, or get greater yields. We really should encourage the internal dairy and meat market more, on the grounds of cheaper prices and environmentalism. E.g, the British lamb prices will drop if we can create more internal demand.This is good for all consumers. However, the way to encourage more lamb consumption is where you hit the wall. I mean you an lead the horse to the river but you can't make it drink. | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis.
If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned .
Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds .
The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees .
The UK is one of the least food self sufficient developed nations.
As of 2016 and 2017 the UK intefnal market only supplied 49% of the consumed food within the country.
Of the remaining 51%, 30% of foods based goods came from the EU. The remaining 19% was divided up mainly between the SEA nations, canada, NZ and OZ.
The simple reality is that the sterling has not recovered and anythimg imported will increase to some variability in value.
And that's why we need a reasoned debate and plan to take agriculture forward.
If self-sustainability is the goal in food production, then the increase in land being turned over for crops for biomass fuel production is worrying. I'm not advocating that isn't important but a balance has to be identified and brokered.
We complain that our diets contain too much sugar, but the scrapping of EU sugar quotas, has meant more beet production and higher yields. Whilst beet is a rotation crop, would a better crop be more advantageous to our needs?
"Also the future of biofuel is lab based and marine algal based, the terrestrial biofuel project was a failure, it'd be far better to encourage thatland to be used for agricultural produce | |||
"The farmers need EU nationals to come and pick the food. Which is what the fruit and veg producers want. So how can it be bought if they can't pick it. PYO
Grow your own, pick your own. Grow your own cotton if you want cotton clothing, raise some sheep if you want wool clothing. Want a car? Well you had better start mining some ore and building your own smelter. Want to use the internet, well you'll better be pretty handy at home made CPU production.
Brexiters seem to think the British public want to become Amish.
whats wrong with the Amish?
There is nothing wrong with the Amish, or for individuals who want to live that kind of lifestyle, but lots of people don't, and shouldn't be forced to.
They don't have to. But then they must be prepared to pay money for the food they purchase.
Pickers must be compensated as per the law, have the same level of employment protection, as well as statutory health and safety provision. Anything other is just promoting and condoning slave labour.
So they should just keep their mouths shut to the people who voted to make the food more expensive?
Pickers ARE compensated as per the law, they DO have the same protections. To suggest that they are slaves is just bullshit.
Re-read. I never said that. Labour costs and other costs are higher here than in countries further east. People have to accept that they will have to pay a fair price for their food.
Slave labour does go on. Fortunately Lincolnshire takes a very aggressive stance on this, and instances are very rare now.
I don't remember higher prices being sold as a benefit of Brexit. Quite the opposite. We are going to drop international good tariffs.
We won't need pickers as our agriculture will become uncompetitive. How can higher food prices have any correlation to Brexit . ? A lot of our food is produced in the UK and we only import some of it . Currency movements is not a one way ticket , out export market is now a lot more competitive. It is difficult to see how a few tweaks to duties can have any material impact on the country. In any event duties cancel out on a globa basis.
If the leaders of out top Plc were bothered about Brexit maybe we should be concerned .
Luckily for us they are happy to get on with the process and keep a significant number of the population in jobs in addition to paying dividends to pensioners and pension funds .
The EU ie simply a vast unelected burceaucy , what keeps the economy turning over are private and public companies who in turn generate the taxation that pays our public sector employees . "What strange reality are you in? As food prices went up after the crash in the value of the pound and 51% of our food is imported then that's probably the correlation
Every large UK company is making Brexit contingency plans. The larger ones can relocate, at a cost, if the required. They are less worried than the small to medium sized ones.
The UK has a vast, unelected bureaucracy. What are bureaucracies for? They don't exist for no purpose in the same way that the back office roles in any company have a purpose.
There is wastage but there is also a point to them.
In the case of a the EU they collect budgets and decide how to spend. They negotiate trade deals. They allow a huge free trade zone to exist and function. They set standards. They coordinate research. They investigate crimes. They investigate unfair business practices. There is also a proportion of pointless spending which should be eliminated. That happens in any organisation.
Can you agree with any if this or is it too hard to acknowledge anything other than your own opinion? | |||
"Food prices have risen because the pound became weaker as a direct result of the Leave vote. We import most of our food. The price of everything that we import has risen as has the cost of travelling abroad. That's one of two unambiguous consequences of Brexit. The other is an increase in manufactured exports. Does any Leavers believe that this is not the case? Between 2013 and 2015 the pound gained 20% against the Euro, going from 1.17 to 1.41. Did food prices drop? Months before the referendum the IMF, the OECD and the BoE all said that the pound was overvalued by up to 20%, and needed to drop to benefit the economy." That's just good old profiteering by companies. It's called market forces. A fact that might be interesting to you - the pound once was the world currency - a bit like the dollar but has slipped in the last 100 yrs. We used to get $4 -£ before WW2 & the £ was valued at 1.6€ but that was silly old Norman Lamont's fault as we crashed out of the ERM. Lessons to be learned from our past! | |||
