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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Can anybody tell me why its a good idea to lower to voting age from 18 to 16? To me it'll just be an extra vote for the teens parents and I also think they're morn likely to vote for extremes. I think if 16 yr old Irish kids were allowed to vote Sinn Fein would be running the country because they're highly popular amongst young people or atleast they were when I was growing up. Plus 18 is young enough. |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can anybody tell me why its a good idea to lower to voting age from 18 to 16? To me it'll just be an extra vote for the teens parents and I also think they're morn likely to vote for extremes. I think if 16 yr old Irish kids were allowed to vote Sinn Fein would be running the country because they're highly popular amongst young people or atleast they were when I was growing up. Plus 18 is young enough. "
If you're old enough to join the armed services you should be able to vote. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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I believe voting is to young as is fighting for your country,I would like to see both go to 21,as these guys would be more mature in there decisions.
The voting age should not be lowerd in my view and hope it never is. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Can anybody tell me why its a good idea to lower to voting age from 18 to 16? To me it'll just be an extra vote for the teens parents and I also think they're morn likely to vote for extremes. I think if 16 yr old Irish kids were allowed to vote Sinn Fein would be running the country because they're highly popular amongst young people or atleast they were when I was growing up. Plus 18 is young enough.
If you're old enough to join the armed services you should be able to vote. "
The armed services minimum age in Ireland is 18. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You cannot join the armed services under 18 without parental consent."
I honestly think a vote for a 16yr old is just gunna be an extra vote for their parents politics. They'll either vote for what their parents tell them or vote for what the media is portraying as cool. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Any age is a line in the sand.
I’d be in favour of dropping it to 16 if it is supported by some kind of support in school which covers fact checking, critical analysis, awareness of cognitive biases and echo chambers etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Any age is a line in the sand.
I’d be in favour of dropping it to 16 if it is supported by some kind of support in school which covers fact checking, critical analysis, awareness of cognitive biases and echo chambers etc. "
Yes there is a great cognitive bias Codex you can google.Id post a link but m I'm fed up of getting time outs by overzealous moderators..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Any age is a line in the sand.
I’d be in favour of dropping it to 16 if it is supported by some kind of support in school which covers fact checking, critical analysis, awareness of cognitive biases and echo chambers etc.
Yes there is a great cognitive bias Codex you can google.Id post a link but m I'm fed up of getting time outs by overzealous moderators.. "
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
Are you saying if you don't pay tax you shouldn't be allowed to vote?
You can't join the army without parental comsent at 16.
You can't fight on the front line until you are 18.
You can't get married (except in Scotland) without parental consent at 16
You can't buy a knife at 16
You can't buy cigarettes at 16
You can't serve time in an adult prison at 16
You can't drive a car at 16
You can't buy alcohol at 16
You can't become a policeman/woman, firefighter, or paramedic at 16
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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16 year olds vote in the Scottish elections, great idea they bring youth and enthusiasm to the debate. Most 16 year olds have their own thoughts, views and concerns. If you don't bring them Into the debate you lose youthful ideas and creative knowledge. |
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"16 year olds vote in the Scottish elections, great idea they bring youth and enthusiasm to the debate. Most 16 year olds have their own thoughts, views and concerns. If you don't bring them Into the debate you lose youthful ideas and creative knowledge."
I think it should be 18-20. Any 16yr old thinking of going to university will vote Labour cause they believe Jeremy will abolish uni fees. Wisdom comes with age, can any of you on here say truthfully that you made better judgements at 16 ?? |
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"If you're old enough to join the armed services you should be able to vote. "
You are not!
You can join the junior forces at 16, but they are legally excluded from active service and may leave the forces at any time until their 18th birthday...
You can join the regular Armed Forces at 17 1/2 but have to then go through training, so no person under the age of 18 goes on active service.
The idea that if you can serve in the forces you should be able to vote is in reality the reason the voting age was reduced from 21 to 18, as at 18 you can be required to risk your life and maybe die in armed conflict by the country, as this is not the case for 16 and 17 year olds your argument is founded in fallacy.
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
Burton on Trent |
"If you're old enough to join the armed services you should be able to vote.
You are not!
You can join the junior forces at 16, but they are legally excluded from active service and may leave the forces at any time until their 18th birthday...
You can join the regular Armed Forces at 17 1/2 but have to then go through training, so no person under the age of 18 goes on active service.
The idea that if you can serve in the forces you should be able to vote is in reality the reason the voting age was reduced from 21 to 18, as at 18 you can be required to risk your life and maybe die in armed conflict by the country, as this is not the case for 16 and 17 year olds your argument is founded in fallacy.
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I joined 3 weeks before my 17th birthday. I handled my first automatic weapon before I was 17. I was serving my country, and potentially in harm's way, wether active service or not. To illustrate that, it was around the same time as some army recruits were killed by PIRA at Lichfield railway station.
Why shouldn't anyone in that position, or who has the potential by dint of their age to be in that position, vote. |
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"I joined 3 weeks before my 17th birthday. I handled my first automatic weapon before I was 17. I was serving my country, and potentially in harm's way, wether active service or not. To illustrate that, it was around the same time as some army recruits were killed by PIRA at Lichfield railway station.
Why shouldn't anyone in that position, or who has the potential by dint of their age to be in that position, vote. "
On that basis 9 year olds should get the vote, after all one of them was blown up in Warrington by PIRA...
Just to be clear being handed a weapon in the safe controlled environment of a weapons handling class, a range or even on an exercise (where you get blank rounds) is not the same as being issued your weapon and ammo and told go kill the enemy (who are trying to kill you). If you have been in battle you will know this, and it is wrong to pretend that the two are in any way similar. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"If you're old enough to join the armed services you should be able to vote.
You are not!
You can join the junior forces at 16, but they are legally excluded from active service and may leave the forces at any time until their 18th birthday...
You can join the regular Armed Forces at 17 1/2 but have to then go through training, so no person under the age of 18 goes on active service.
The idea that if you can serve in the forces you should be able to vote is in reality the reason the voting age was reduced from 21 to 18, as at 18 you can be required to risk your life and maybe die in armed conflict by the country, as this is not the case for 16 and 17 year olds your argument is founded in fallacy.
I joined 3 weeks before my 17th birthday. I handled my first automatic weapon before I was 17. I was serving my country, and potentially in harm's way, wether active service or not. To illustrate that, it was around the same time as some army recruits were killed by PIRA at Lichfield railway station.
Why shouldn't anyone in that position, or who has the potential by dint of their age to be in that position, vote. "
When you joined, you would have had to have your parents' consent.
Do you think you should be able to vote at 16, but only if your parents say you can?
You were potentially 'in harm's way'? What a drama queen. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Analysis of the Scottish referendum, which included 16-17-year-olds, showed there was very little difference in the voting patterns.
The rules are a mass.
At 16, society says you are old enough to have sex and children, get married, join the Army, pay tax. But not old enough to put an X on a ballot paper.
Thomson and Veneables were 11 years old or so when they were tried in an adult court on murder charges. They were deemed old enough to understand the responsibility of their actions.
If the state thinks someone of the age of 11 is old enough to understand what they are doing, then it is hypocritical to argue you are not old enough at 16 to know what you are doing with a ballot paper.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Any age is a line in the sand.
I’d be in favour of dropping it to 16 if it is supported by some kind of support in school which covers fact checking, critical analysis, awareness of cognitive biases and echo chambers etc.
Yes there is a great cognitive bias Codex you can google.Id post a link but m I'm fed up of getting time outs by overzealous moderators.. googled "
I was thinking a confirmation bias codex app would be very useful for young people and adults. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Analysis of the Scottish referendum, which included 16-17-year-olds, showed there was very little difference in the voting patterns.
The rules are a mass.
At 16, society says you are old enough to have sex and children, get married, join the Army, pay tax. But not old enough to put an X on a ballot paper.
Thomson and Veneables were 11 years old or so when they were tried in an adult court on murder charges. They were deemed old enough to understand the responsibility of their actions.
If the state thinks someone of the age of 11 is old enough to understand what they are doing, then it is hypocritical to argue you are not old enough at 16 to know what you are doing with a ballot paper.
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So you think the state should give 11 year olds the vote as well? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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So you think the state should give 11 year olds the vote as well?"
I said no such thing. I only compared the treatment of two 11-year-olds as adults in one context, and the denial of 16-year-olds as adults in a different context. |
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"And wearing khaki every day??? What's all that about? What's wrong with a splash of colour?
That's why I left. The fashions were soooo unflattering. "
Bryan Ferry tried his best to make it fashionable...I think he was ahead of his time. But he wasn't wearing the stuff we had. I remember my beret was about the size of a small helicopter landing pad. He also had the Ruperts trick of sewn creases on his trousers! At least the army taught me how to iron better than my mum! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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going by the election results since 2010 and the utter fucking mess the cunts who were voted for have gotten the country into, then the 16-18 year olds can't possibly do any worse with their ballot papers than the clowns who have voted for this catastrophic disaster we are in now .... give 'em the fucking vote for fucks sake! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.  |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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"16 year olds vote in the Scottish elections, great idea they bring youth and enthusiasm to the debate. Most 16 year olds have their own thoughts, views and concerns. If you don't bring them Into the debate you lose youthful ideas and creative knowledge.
I think it should be 18-20. Any 16yr old thinking of going to university will vote Labour cause they believe Jeremy will abolish uni fees. Wisdom comes with age, can any of you on here say truthfully that you made better judgements at 16 ?? "
Wisdom comes with age ...seriously....speechless lol.
I made some brilliant judgements at 16. As for your statement on they woukd Labour. Well in this country we see educating our young as a gift we can pass on not a service for the wealthy few. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is. "
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones! "
tbf this applies to more than just 16yo
From iPhone. While in fab. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones! tbf this applies to more than just 16yo
From iPhone. While in fab. "
Not during lesson times though was it! The average 16 year old can't leave their phone alone for a few minutes which doesn't make life easy!  |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones! tbf this applies to more than just 16yo
From iPhone. While in fab.
Not during lesson times though was it! The average 16 year old can't leave their phone alone for a few minutes which doesn't make life easy! "
We've got two children who are secondary school teachers. Both left leaning (as teachers tend to be).
In their careers they have had a combined total of about 30,000 11-18 year olds go through the schools that they have taught in.
They are both of the opinion that 16 and 17 year olds should not have the vote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones! "
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational."
I'd suggest direct experience of professional teachers of 30,000 teenagers across a broad spectrum of society, probably trumps your small experience of a dozen or so.
Maybe I'm wrong...I thought the larger the sample, the more accurate the results. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational."
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence! "
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs. "
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story! "
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"16 year olds vote in the Scottish elections, great idea they bring youth and enthusiasm to the debate. Most 16 year olds have their own thoughts, views and concerns. If you don't bring them Into the debate you lose youthful ideas and creative knowledge."
Also in the Indy ref many of the 16 year olds did investgate which way they should vote and gave many a politician a hard time on tv.
However there were 16 year olds voting one way because they thought they would not be able to see match of the day after separation and other 16 year olds voting the other way because the national football team was doing ok at the time and breavehart had been on the telly !!!
So some just like adults deserve the vote but some just like adults don t !!@ |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school. "
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too! "
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me. |
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But they hardly think independently do they at 16?
And even if they did, which they don't, they lack sufficient life experience to vote.
They cannot smoke, drive, drink, own a house at 16. They don't pay tax. They don't live independently. They are still at school. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me."
You will find everyone has a mind of their own, but they are influenced by the people around them, that is what any good parent does to help their child become a well rounded adult! Surely as a parent you would know this, perhaps you are only part-time!Gaining life/work experience promotes confidence and independent thinking to choose your path in life, this is what any teacher/ lecturer (like myself, sorry to disappoint you if you thought I was sweeping up!! ) is trying to achieve for their students. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me.
You will find everyone has a mind of their own, but they are influenced by the people around them, that is what any good parent does to help their child become a well rounded adult! Surely as a parent you would know this, perhaps you are only part-time!Gaining life/work experience promotes confidence and independent thinking to choose your path in life, this is what any teacher/ lecturer (like myself, sorry to disappoint you if you thought I was sweeping up!! ) is trying to achieve for their students. "
Everyone can get influenced by the media and the news and friends and family.Look at brexit with hundreds of anti immigrant stories run prior to brexit.To say 16 year olds are more susceptible is indicative of you condescending opinion of them. |
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16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me.
You will find everyone has a mind of their own, but they are influenced by the people around them, that is what any good parent does to help their child become a well rounded adult! Surely as a parent you would know this, perhaps you are only part-time!Gaining life/work experience promotes confidence and independent thinking to choose your path in life, this is what any teacher/ lecturer (like myself, sorry to disappoint you if you thought I was sweeping up!! ) is trying to achieve for their students.
Everyone can get influenced by the media and the news and friends and family.Look at brexit with hundreds of anti immigrant stories run prior to brexit.To say 16 year olds are more susceptible is indicative of you condescending opinion of them. "
Rubbish!
People saw the immigrants in their own communities and how it had ruined their community.
Go and ask those living in Calais, or Dover, or Folkestone for instance.
And 16 year olds are absolutely social media and peer group led.
And they have no real life experience.
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me.
You will find everyone has a mind of their own, but they are influenced by the people around them, that is what any good parent does to help their child become a well rounded adult! Surely as a parent you would know this, perhaps you are only part-time!Gaining life/work experience promotes confidence and independent thinking to choose your path in life, this is what any teacher/ lecturer (like myself, sorry to disappoint you if you thought I was sweeping up!! ) is trying to achieve for their students.
Everyone can get influenced by the media and the news and friends and family.Look at brexit with hundreds of anti immigrant stories run prior to brexit.To say 16 year olds are more susceptible is indicative of you condescending opinion of them.
Rubbish!
People saw the immigrants in their own communities and how it had ruined their community.
Go and ask those living in Calais, or Dover, or Folkestone for instance.
And 16 year olds are absolutely social media and peer group led.
And they have no real life experience.
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Actually andy if you googled it you'll find they were 277 anti immigrant news stories in the year leading up to brexit from mainly 2 news papers.It was almost daily between the two.The mail and the express .You can find all of this online. |
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So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express? |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?"
The numbers peaked to a frenzy of stories prior to brexit then dropped away since.Thats telling.Your free to ignore the analysis.The facts are irrefutable. |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express? The numbers peaked to a frenzy of stories prior to brexit then dropped away since.Thats telling.Your free to ignore the analysis.The facts are irrefutable. "
Those papers are middle market tabloids. Brexit wasn't decided by those readers. Their audience were already Brexit voters.
What swung Brexit were the voters would would and never did read those papers.
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express? The numbers peaked to a frenzy of stories prior to brexit then dropped away since.Thats telling.Your free to ignore the analysis.The facts are irrefutable.
Those papers are middle market tabloids. Brexit wasn't decided by those readers. Their audience were already Brexit voters.
What swung Brexit were the voters would would and never did read those papers.
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express? The numbers peaked to a frenzy of stories prior to brexit then dropped away since.Thats telling.Your free to ignore the analysis.The facts are irrefutable.
Those papers are middle market tabloids. Brexit wasn't decided by those readers. Their audience were already Brexit voters.
What swung Brexit were the voters would would and never did read those papers.
I will have to disagree "
How can you? Those papers played to their audience. That audience alone was not enough to cause Brexit. |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express? The numbers peaked to a frenzy of stories prior to brexit then dropped away since.Thats telling.Your free to ignore the analysis.The facts are irrefutable.
Those papers are middle market tabloids. Brexit wasn't decided by those readers. Their audience were already Brexit voters.
What swung Brexit were the voters would would and never did read those papers.
I will have to disagree
How can you? Those papers played to their audience. That audience alone was not enough to cause Brexit."
I just did andy for good reason.There are plenty of academic papers online that disagree with you,regarding the huge wave of anti immigrant propaganda aimed at the public to sway them.l eading up to the brexit vote.. |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?"
how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ? |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?"
Most were |
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Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most were"
Exactly. The ones we had to allow here because of the EU!
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most were
Exactly. The ones we had to allow here because of the EU!
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Uh huh. And so what are you proposing? We disallow anyone coming in who is Asian because they are Asian? There is a word for that kind of thinking. Starts with an R. Can you guess what it is?
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most were"
which Eu countries ? I thought they were British ? But will admit my memory is hazy on this. |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most werewhich Eu countries ? I thought they were British ? But will admit my memory is hazy on this. "
And the UK isn't in the EU?  |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most werewhich Eu countries ? I thought they were British ? But will admit my memory is hazy on this.
And the UK isn't in the EU? "
i missed where voting brexit helped get rid of uk nationals. |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most werewhich Eu countries ? I thought they were British ? But will admit my memory is hazy on this.
And the UK isn't in the EU? i missed where voting brexit helped get rid of uk nationals. "
Windrush...  |
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"So what? You think that people didn't see the truth with their own eyes?
Or perhaps the people of Dover and Folkestone are lying?
Perhaps the grooming scandals by Asian gangs in Oldham Rotherham are just being made up by the Daily Mail. Perhaps the Court hearings never happened. All just invented by the Daily Express?how many of the Asian gang were Eu nationals ?
Most werewhich Eu countries ? I thought they were British ? But will admit my memory is hazy on this.
And the UK isn't in the EU? i missed where voting brexit helped get rid of uk nationals.
Windrush... "
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16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I think children have a mind of their own and i hope your aware if you work in education(maybe your admin or something else).Teaching independent thinking is one of the core skills that secondary skills promote.It is in the secondary near me.
You will find everyone has a mind of their own, but they are influenced by the people around them, that is what any good parent does to help their child become a well rounded adult! Surely as a parent you would know this, perhaps you are only part-time!Gaining life/work experience promotes confidence and independent thinking to choose your path in life, this is what any teacher/ lecturer (like myself, sorry to disappoint you if you thought I was sweeping up!! ) is trying to achieve for their students.
Everyone can get influenced by the media and the news and friends and family.Look at brexit with hundreds of anti immigrant stories run prior to brexit.To say 16 year olds are more susceptible is indicative of you condescending opinion of them. "
Of course they can but wasn't this tread about 16 year olds getting the vote or am I going senial! Or are you just trying to change the goal post when it suits! I was just stating my experience not trying to be condescending, give them the chance to mature and gain experience before asking them to make such decisions, they will be better for it! |
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16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too! "
I wouldn't bother if I were you...I've already pointed out that two of our children are secondary school teachers, have direct experience of over 30,000 teenagers, and that they would in no way give 16 year olds the vote.
Amd btw, none of their colleagues, with much greater experience, would either.
But Bob knows best, because he's had vast and expansive experience of his daughter and half a dozen of her mates. |
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"I totally agree that most
16 year olds have a better grasp of politics and the world we live in than many adults .How many oaps are completely oblivious to the challenges of today and some of them couldn't tell you what day of the week it is.
Having worked in further education I would totally disagree with that statement, most are interested in the opposite sex and playing with their phones!
Having a teenage daughter who is as sharp as a pin regarding current affairs.I find many kids well balanced and informed and often idealist and rational.
I would suggest you spend a week at a local FE college and you would soon change that opinion! The vast majority of 16 year olds have no interest in politics what so ever, evidently your daughter does but that is probably to do with your influence!
I would suggest that isn't the case and her school encourages debate.Spme of the homework relates to current affairs.I suggest that you maybe question the students on their knowledge rather than assume they are ignorant of current affairs.
As usual Bob knows best!
My actual experience tells me otherwise and thats after many conversations! If the subject was about the latest games on playstation/xbox or the trendiest trainers it would be a different story!
Actually you keep telling me you know best from what you assume.Im just telling you what ive seen in terms of homework and the school encourages debate on world affairs.Its an outstanding school.
I am giving you my experience from working in an FE college, I am not assuming anything!Your experience from your childs homework is hardly a broad sample of 16 year olds is it and has I said before I am sure your strong views will have influenced them! I would say most young persons early political views will be influenced by their parents but I suppose you will disagree with that too!
I wouldn't bother if I were you...I've already pointed out that two of our children are secondary school teachers, have direct experience of over 30,000 teenagers, and that they would in no way give 16 year olds the vote.
Amd btw, none of their colleagues, with much greater experience, would either.
But Bob knows best, because he's had vast and expansive experience of his daughter and half a dozen of her mates. "
Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!! |
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majority of brexit voters were the other way i heard .......
over 55 and didnt really know or understand what they were voting for ..
i voted brexit never the less |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference "
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18. |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18. "
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
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So drinking and smoking and driving at 18 makes you an adult.
As someone who grew up in the 80s I was out earning money at 16,it was legal to buy cigarettes at 16 and drive a car at 17.It seems we've regressed.We gave 16 and 17 year olds more responsibility 30 years ago.So I can dismiss that argument about driving and smoking .The drinking hasn't changed.Although everyone I knew started drinking way before 18. |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
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16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote |
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What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote "
How exactly is someone who volunteers to join the armed services at 16 and is not allowed to fight until they are 18, being exploited? If all out war was declared, those kids would be sent home in case their training camps became targets. I joined up at 16, nobody exploited me. If they did, then when I left and joined a YTS it sounds like I was in a government funded slavery program compared to the army. |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote
How exactly is someone who volunteers to join the armed services at 16 and is not allowed to fight until they are 18, being exploited? If all out war was declared, those kids would be sent home in case their training camps became targets. I joined up at 16, nobody exploited me. If they did, then when I left and joined a YTS it sounds like I was in a government funded slavery program compared to the army."
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What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18. same bob paid lodge spent rest diwn pub as most normal teens did nothing changed at 18 for sure "
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Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!! "
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18. same bob paid lodge spent rest diwn pub as most normal teens did nothing changed at 18 for sure "
I knew you would of had normal working class background ,like my self.80% of my mates left school at 16 and went out to work.I agree there is no difference between 16 and 18 |
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I’m shocked that a lot of ppl think 16 yrolds are just kids if yr old enough to work for me yr old enough to vote to many older ppl like to think they have all the answers and younger ppl are just stupid and immature well it’s just not the case they are more informed now than anytime before |
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"I’m shocked that a lot of ppl think 16 yrolds are just kids if yr old enough to work for me yr old enough to vote to many older ppl like to think they have all the answers and younger ppl are just stupid and immature well it’s just not the case they are more informed now than anytime before "
Absolutely correct foxy.You are spot on!.
I am also shocked by some of the responses.I wonder if it's because those so against it ,feel younger people might choose labour over conservatives and this is the real reason they are against 16 year olds voting. Who knows.
I have much respect for the next generation of young people and from what you've written so do you foxy |
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Yes I do bob and your right its all diwn to politics this age rubbish iv got two teenagers and one in there twenty’s and there all way smarter and more mature than I ever was at there ages in this day and age we respect the old but look down our noses at the young some ppl on here were born old lol |
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"Yes I do bob and your right its all diwn to politics this age rubbish iv got two teenagers and one in there twenty’s and there all way smarter and more mature than I ever was at there ages in this day and age we respect the old but look down our noses at the young some ppl on here were born old lol"
It's often the case that those Tory voters bang on about respecting oaps and smear young people as ignorant hoodies who are violent and thick.Maybe its because we both have teenage kids that we are better informed and know teenagers are caring and intelligent people.
You are right somepeople are born old and miserable. |
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Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!!
You noticed that too? "
Let's be honest you could hardly fail not to notice it! Some people are never happier than when they are being miserable or trying to make everyone around them as miserable as they are!Probably falls out with himself everytime he looks in the mirror. |
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Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!!
You noticed that too? Let's be honest you could hardly fail not to notice it! Some people are never happier than when they are being miserable or trying to make everyone around them as miserable as they are!Probably falls out with himself everytime he looks in the mirror. "
Ad hominem much... |
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Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!!
You noticed that too? Let's be honest you could hardly fail not to notice it! Some people are never happier than when they are being miserable or trying to make everyone around them as miserable as they are!Probably falls out with himself everytime he looks in the mirror.
Ad hominem much... "
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Yes a 100% bona fide know it all! I am surprised he hasn't used the "R" word to close down the debate like he usually does but there's still plenty of time!!!!!!!
You noticed that too? Let's be honest you could hardly fail not to notice it! Some people are never happier than when they are being miserable or trying to make everyone around them as miserable as they are!Probably falls out with himself everytime he looks in the mirror.
Ad hominem much...
More likely to be " The truth hurts! "
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote
How exactly is someone who volunteers to join the armed services at 16 and is not allowed to fight until they are 18, being exploited? If all out war was declared, those kids would be sent home in case their training camps became targets. I joined up at 16, nobody exploited me. If they did, then when I left and joined a YTS it sounds like I was in a government funded slavery program compared to the army.
you seem to be confused as to the point your failing to make "
Ibelieve it was you who claimed 16 year olds were coerced into being exploited as child soldiers. Well, if that is the case, they seem to be very easily coerced. Probably not the best people to be voting then eh? By the way, my last four votes in general and local elections have been for the Green Party. Hardly a true blue am I? I know full well that giving 16 year olds the vote would sway things way to the left, but I still wouldn't give it to them. No doubt I am shooting myself in the foot by denying them the vote, but I honestly don't see that many kids that are aware enough to be given it.
Would you be happy to see anyone over 65 denied it? There seems to be plenty on here who would. |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote
How exactly is someone who volunteers to join the armed services at 16 and is not allowed to fight until they are 18, being exploited? If all out war was declared, those kids would be sent home in case their training camps became targets. I joined up at 16, nobody exploited me. If they did, then when I left and joined a YTS it sounds like I was in a government funded slavery program compared to the army.
you seem to be confused as to the point your failing to make
Ibelieve it was you who claimed 16 year olds were coerced into being exploited as child soldiers. Well, if that is the case, they seem to be very easily coerced. Probably not the best people to be voting then eh? By the way, my last four votes in general and local elections have been for the Green Party. Hardly a true blue am I? I know full well that giving 16 year olds the vote would sway things way to the left, but I still wouldn't give it to them. No doubt I am shooting myself in the foot by denying them the vote, but I honestly don't see that many kids that are aware enough to be given it.
Would you be happy to see anyone over 65 denied it? There seems to be plenty on here who would."
stick to the topic in hand instead of waffling about irrelevances |
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"Do many ppl think 18 yrolds know much more about life than 16 yrolds I dint think there’s a huge difference
What were you doing at 16 Foxy?.
I was working as an apprentice on a building site giving half my wages to my mum ,as were all of my mates.Spending the rest down the pub .I was still training when I turned 18.I can see no difference between 16 and 18.
Well everyone else can! Driving, drinking, smoking, making a Will, owning a house, which hospital/ward they attend.
16 is a child. 18 is an adult.
16 is old enough to be exploited by taxation without representation .... not to mention being coerced into the governments abhorrent policy of exploiting child soldiers ... let the kids vote
How exactly is someone who volunteers to join the armed services at 16 and is not allowed to fight until they are 18, being exploited? If all out war was declared, those kids would be sent home in case their training camps became targets. I joined up at 16, nobody exploited me. If they did, then when I left and joined a YTS it sounds like I was in a government funded slavery program compared to the army.
you seem to be confused as to the point your failing to make
Ibelieve it was you who claimed 16 year olds were coerced into being exploited as child soldiers. Well, if that is the case, they seem to be very easily coerced. Probably not the best people to be voting then eh? By the way, my last four votes in general and local elections have been for the Green Party. Hardly a true blue am I? I know full well that giving 16 year olds the vote would sway things way to the left, but I still wouldn't give it to them. No doubt I am shooting myself in the foot by denying them the vote, but I honestly don't see that many kids that are aware enough to be given it.
Would you be happy to see anyone over 65 denied it? There seems to be plenty on here who would.
stick to the topic in hand instead of waffling about irrelevances "
You are the one waffling about exploiting child soldiers.
I did an apprenticeship in the Army and wasn't exploited. In fact it taught me valuable skills and gave me opportunities I would never have had in a normal job. |
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I did an apprenticeship in the Army and wasn't exploited. In fact it taught me valuable skills and gave me opportunities I would never have had in a normal job."
tell someone who gives a shit |
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I did an apprenticeship in the Army and wasn't exploited. In fact it taught me valuable skills and gave me opportunities I would never have had in a normal job.
tell someone who gives a shit"
I wouldn't expect you to give a shit, just one of your usual irascible responses  |
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I think you should have to prove you understand the political system to get a vote.
There should be a compulsory test on politics and until you pass it, you shouldn’t be able to vote.
I know people who don’t have the first idea how the system works so why should they have any say in it? |
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"I think you should have to prove you understand the political system to get a vote.
There should be a compulsory test on politics and until you pass it, you shouldn’t be able to vote.
I know people who don’t have the first idea how the system works so why should they have any say in it?"
Wouldn't that just be another reason to put people off voting,shouldn't we encourage people to take part. |
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"Why 16 why not 14, or even 5 or when born, their parents can do it for them..... well what’s the big difference between 16-18 as if ppl think you suddenly change in to a mature adult at 18 lol"
No one said you suddenly change in to a mature adult at 18, you just have more real life experience! |
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"Maybe yr right but most go to college till 18 now so not much of a change really "
Well the voting age isn't set in stone in any society.It's a fluid thing.Same for the drinking age.In the USA it was 21 to vote and that was dropped by 3 years to 18.You still need to be 21 to drink Alcohol.There is always movement as society changes and progresses,sometimes forward sometimes backwards..
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