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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " .  | |||
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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " if one side had never budged from day one about what you would be losing...and why they are commited to and the other side has basically been wanting their cake and eat it... and changed their proposal time and time again... its the latter that are bullying the former.... we decided to leave, not the other way round! i only see 1 side kicking and screaming... the other 27 didn't take their ball and run off... | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " Why is it bullying to stand up for one's position as per the rules that all parties have committed to abide by and adhere to? | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for Why is it bullying to stand up for one's position as per the rules that all parties have committed to abide by and adhere to? " remember when they were told by the big blonde oaf they would get to "have their cake and eat it"? some still believe that is the case... | |||
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"Also the irony in the Op is pretty huge given May is allowing a few swivel eyed loons in her party to bully her to the point we are looking at no deal.. " how very dare you point out the obvious.... but she can't say that with the party conference next week!  | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " Not sure I understand this at all. The UK is leaving the EU. I don’t see any of the EU27 countries bullying the UK or trying to stop it. What I do see is the UK looking for doors to get back in, and discovering it is not nearly as easy or simple as the British nationalists said it would be. The UK made its bed. Now it must lie in it. If it is not what you expected it to be, the only people to blame are those who persuaded you to leave. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for Why is it bullying to stand up for one's position as per the rules that all parties have committed to abide by and adhere to? remember when they were told by the big blonde oaf they would get to "have their cake and eat it"? some still believe that is the case..." It's almost like some on here have never negotiated anything.. Why would anyone accept less for themselves or those they represent than they could negotiate.. It's pure nonsense to think that the fuck off I want it all my way has ever worked.. | |||
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"27 all in the German pockets" see you make it about the germans.... i would make it about the UK and most brexiteers not wanting to abide by the good friday agreement... i still think most of you would be willing to sacrifice Northern Ireland (and Scotland in a break up of the Union) for your brexit dream...... | |||
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"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol " is it any worse than the stunts that Bojo and Moggsy have pulled thruout this process.... in fact johnson is still pulling them and rirculing them in his newspaper columns.... and moggsy's ready to stick the knife in come march 31st.... | |||
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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " See the thing is, Mrs may wasnt thenone who called the referendum in the first place, so she’s just dealing with the shots how Cameron left for her. They had no clear strategy on negotiating an exit out of the EU, not a plan in place. They didn’t in their wildest dreams think people would actually vote to leave. Now may and the right wing press are making it seem like she is so strong for standing up to the eu dictators.. haha. The fact is that unfortunately that are walking around with their proverbial dicks in their hands, unable to budge the political powerhouse that is the EU. The only reason the rich and wealthy of Britain haven’t sanction full entry into the eu is that they can’t control it. Now we are leaving eu with a no deal being the most likely possibility, the likes of Branson, may, Blair, Cameron and all their Eton brethren will then spend the next 10 years profiting from all the loss.. Meanwhile old Johnny brexit voter gets left fucked up the arse with no lube. (Cos it’s imported) Bad times ahead for Great Britain I’m aftaid my dude. | |||
"27 all in the German pockets" No, I blame people like you for the mess the UK finds itself in. | |||
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"Little Englander, you mean. It's like the referendum all over again. "If only we can get rid of Johnny Foreigner, we'll be great again." So we vote to get rid of Johnny Foreigner. And it's, em, well, not so great. "It's that Johnny Foreigner, they're to blame!" Classic Little Englander. " are you one of these remainers that think ppl who voted out are racists then | |||
"Little Englander, you mean. It's like the referendum all over again. "If only we can get rid of Johnny Foreigner, we'll be great again." So we vote to get rid of Johnny Foreigner. And it's, em, well, not so great. "It's that Johnny Foreigner, they're to blame!" Classic Little Englander. are you one of these remainers that think ppl who voted out are racists then " Some of them are though. Just look at what some of them post on here. Of course sweeping generalisations are just silly, and not all leavers are the same, or voted leave for the same reasons. | |||
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"It's the Brexiters in the tory party ie moron Johnson and his merry crew who have not helped the situation. So Don't blame the EU in how they have reacted. So say well done the EU. " Very patriotic of you! | |||
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"Little Englander, you mean. It's like the referendum all over again. "If only we can get rid of Johnny Foreigner, we'll be great again." So we vote to get rid of Johnny Foreigner. And it's, em, well, not so great. "It's that Johnny Foreigner, they're to blame!" Classic Little Englander. are you one of these remainers that think ppl who voted out are racists then " No, I do not. The above was directed at one particular contributor who has nailed his colours firmly to the mast in that regard. | |||
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"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it" see... its the easy thing to pin the blame elsewhere.... but its not the irish government that are not wanting to basically abide by the terms of the Good Friday agreement.... that would be (our) side...... the uk envoked article 50.. remember when the governement said it would be envoke at a time of our chosing to our best advantage..... and then when they finally did for 6 months of the basically 18 month process that department for exiting the EU (ran by an arch brexiteer) sat on their arses and did nothing!!! and yet you want to blame the irish..... really????? sure you go ahead.... i blame the infighting in the tory party... because none of them actually had any clue of what they wanted!!! and if they didn't know how were the EU going to know!! the EU position has been the same since day 1.... and has never changed.. why the do you think the EU have managed to put all their EU technical notices our a year before leaving... and yet we are still drip feeding them out (and the ERG group didn't want them released to our public at all!!!) which side thing are most ready.... which side are in the process of employing more border staff.. and likely to be more ready for march 30th.... and you want to blame the irish.... sure.... and the germans... sure.... and the french.... sure the closer to leaving we get the more xenophobic people are getting.... everything will always be the eu fault... if we are in... when we leave... and everything in between!!! those people are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction..... | |||
"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it" It's not the problem for the Irish it's the UK that voted out. It's our problem. | |||
"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it see... its the easy thing to pin the blame elsewhere.... but its not the irish government that are not wanting to basically abide by the terms of the Good Friday agreement.... that would be (our) side...... the uk envoked article 50.. remember when the governement said it would be envoke at a time of our chosing to our best advantage..... and then when they finally did for 6 months of the basically 18 month process that department for exiting the EU (ran by an arch brexiteer) sat on their arses and did nothing!!! and yet you want to blame the irish..... really????? sure you go ahead.... i blame the infighting in the tory party... because none of them actually had any clue of what they wanted!!! and if they didn't know how were the EU going to know!! the EU position has been the same since day 1.... and has never changed.. why the do you think the EU have managed to put all their EU technical notices our a year before leaving... and yet we are still drip feeding them out (and the ERG group didn't want them released to our public at all!!!) which side thing are most ready.... which side are in the process of employing more border staff.. and likely to be more ready for march 30th.... and you want to blame the irish.... sure.... and the germans... sure.... and the french.... sure the closer to leaving we get the more xenophobic people are getting.... everything will always be the eu fault... if we are in... when we leave... and everything in between!!! those people are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction....." Well said. | |||
"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it see... its the easy thing to pin the blame elsewhere.... but its not the irish government that are not wanting to basically abide by the terms of the Good Friday agreement.... that would be (our) side...... the uk envoked article 50.. remember when the governement said it would be envoke at a time of our chosing to our best advantage..... and then when they finally did for 6 months of the basically 18 month process that department for exiting the EU (ran by an arch brexiteer) sat on their arses and did nothing!!! and yet you want to blame the irish..... really????? sure you go ahead.... i blame the infighting in the tory party... because none of them actually had any clue of what they wanted!!! and if they didn't know how were the EU going to know!! the EU position has been the same since day 1.... and has never changed.. why the do you think the EU have managed to put all their EU technical notices our a year before leaving... and yet we are still drip feeding them out (and the ERG group didn't want them released to our public at all!!!) which side thing are most ready.... which side are in the process of employing more border staff.. and likely to be more ready for march 30th.... and you want to blame the irish.... sure.... and the germans... sure.... and the french.... sure the closer to leaving we get the more xenophobic people are getting.... everything will always be the eu fault... if we are in... when we leave... and everything in between!!! those people are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction....." Well written but I am not putting all the blame there but it is the main problem. The inviting by both main parties is a discrace at this time Tory and Labour should unite to try to get the best deal the whole of Parliament discusts nm to be honest.The team dealing with Brexit should be cross party. We are coming out so we need the best deal we can get and the childish squabbling by both parties is a sad reflection on are so called democracy. The parties must unite but it will not happen. | |||
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"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it see... its the easy thing to pin the blame elsewhere.... but its not the irish government that are not wanting to basically abide by the terms of the Good Friday agreement.... that would be (our) side...... the uk envoked article 50.. remember when the governement said it would be envoke at a time of our chosing to our best advantage..... and then when they finally did for 6 months of the basically 18 month process that department for exiting the EU (ran by an arch brexiteer) sat on their arses and did nothing!!! and yet you want to blame the irish..... really????? sure you go ahead.... i blame the infighting in the tory party... because none of them actually had any clue of what they wanted!!! and if they didn't know how were the EU going to know!! the EU position has been the same since day 1.... and has never changed.. why the do you think the EU have managed to put all their EU technical notices our a year before leaving... and yet we are still drip feeding them out (and the ERG group didn't want them released to our public at all!!!) which side thing are most ready.... which side are in the process of employing more border staff.. and likely to be more ready for march 30th.... and you want to blame the irish.... sure.... and the germans... sure.... and the french.... sure the closer to leaving we get the more xenophobic people are getting.... everything will always be the eu fault... if we are in... when we leave... and everything in between!!! those people are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.....Well written but I am not putting all the blame there but it is the main problem. The inviting by both main parties is a discrace at this time Tory and Labour should unite to try to get the best deal the whole of Parliament discusts nm to be honest.The team dealing with Brexit should be cross party. We are coming out so we need the best deal we can get and the childish squabbling by both parties is a sad reflection on are so called democracy. The parties must unite but it will not happen." But you can't have you cake and eat it and cherry pick. The EU have the principles. Which what the EU is about you are else in or out and abide with the EU rules can't have different rules for each country. | |||
"well then did you think of the irish problem and the good friday agreement when you voted to leave? after all... we all keep now being told that leavers knew exactly what they were voted for....." No it never crossed my mind and I did not vote on economic or immigration issues. I voted to leave because I see us as an independent nation that should control its own laws and values. I believe in free trade and that is all. Also 28 nations now 27 is far to many to be efficient,I object to the politics of bringing in all the east European countries basically to annoy Russia and all it is doing is making the bear angry and restarting the cold war. So that gets rid of 99% of most of the reasons you think many of us voted to leave | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for "
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March."After being lied to. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
After being lied to. "Lies on both sides, remoaners are in no moral place to take the high ground. | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol " Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.  | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March."so you voted for britain to lose most of its european treaties and a lot of european-us/asia/africa agreements as well.... you are in for a hell of a shock then..... | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March."You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
so you voted for britain to lose most of its european treaties and a lot of european-us/asia/africa agreements as well....
you are in for a hell of a shock then....."Not entirely, we still have WTO agreements. Which are pretty good deals. No deal is much better than a bad deal. About travel/working in Europe. I’ve already spoken to afew European embassies in London, at worst we will need visas to travel which isn’t a major concern. Remember they need us just as much as we need them. Spain for example are worried about there tourist industry and want a good deal. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them."If I’m honest, I only care about the views of those who voted leave. They were the ones who voted out. Why should remoaners have a say in it? | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them.
If I’m honest, I only care about the views of those who voted leave. They were the ones who voted out. Why should remoaners have a say in it?"Because we still live here too and have to deal with the shitty situation you’ve put us all in. We’re fighing to limit the damage. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them.
If I’m honest, I only care about the views of those who voted leave. They were the ones who voted out. Why should remoaners have a say in it?
Because we still live here too and have to deal with the shitty situation you’ve put us all in. We’re fighing to limit the damage."Maybe remoaners should have for more people to vote then and won, but no they didn’t. As stated before we voted to be out not abit in and abit out. Don’t like it? Tough. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
so you voted for britain to lose most of its european treaties and a lot of european-us/asia/africa agreements as well....
you are in for a hell of a shock then.....
Not entirely, we still have WTO agreements. Which are pretty good deals. No deal is much better than a bad deal.
About travel/working in Europe.
I’ve already spoken to afew European embassies in London, at worst we will need visas to travel which isn’t a major concern. Remember they need us just as much as we need them. Spain for example are worried about there tourist industry and want a good deal. "WTO agreements are pretty good deals.... signed "no one ever" if the WTO deals were so good why do 195 other countries sign agreements to get out of having to play by basic WTO rules...... are you even listening to yourself..... and as for your european travel examples..... i don't think you really have spoken to embassies... since you used spain as an example... if you were driving to spain on an international permit... there might be a bit of an issue, because you would actually need two different permits! one for france, and one for spain (same permit for those outside the EU would not be valid for both!) | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them.
If I’m honest, I only care about the views of those who voted leave. They were the ones who voted out. Why should remoaners have a say in it?
Because we still live here too and have to deal with the shitty situation you’ve put us all in. We’re fighing to limit the damage.
Maybe remoaners should have for more people to vote then and won, but no they didn’t.
As stated before we voted to be out not abit in and abit out.
Don’t like it? Tough."Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
so you voted for britain to lose most of its european treaties and a lot of european-us/asia/africa agreements as well....
you are in for a hell of a shock then.....
Not entirely, we still have WTO agreements. Which are pretty good deals. No deal is much better than a bad deal.
About travel/working in Europe.
I’ve already spoken to afew European embassies in London, at worst we will need visas to travel which isn’t a major concern. Remember they need us just as much as we need them. Spain for example are worried about there tourist industry and want a good deal.
WTO agreements are pretty good deals.... signed "no one ever"
if the WTO deals were so good why do 195 other countries sign agreements to get out of having to play by basic WTO rules......
are you even listening to yourself.....
and as for your european travel examples..... i don't think you really have spoken to embassies... since you used spain as an example...
if you were driving to spain on an international permit... there might be a bit of an issue, because you would actually need two different permits! one for france, and one for spain (same permit for those outside the EU would not be valid for both!)
"Spain was the first country to come to my mind. International drivers permits are easy to get and are cheap. If you have to spend a extra half hour of your time what’s the major issue? | |||
" Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there." Well if you guys won, we wouldn’t be in this “shitty mess” would we? But you didn’t and remoaners will cry like little girls till the end of time, because you couldn’t get your own way. So the 52% of people that voted leave, you couldn’t care about? When will you respect the result of a democratic vote? | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
You don't know what all the people voted for. You haven't asked them.
If I’m honest, I only care about the views of those who voted leave. They were the ones who voted out. Why should remoaners have a say in it?"All the leave voters. You haven't asked them either. You've asked some mates in the pub which is the original version of a social media echo chamber. Face it, you've no clue at all what either side voted for. | |||
" Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there. Well if you guys won, we wouldn’t be in this “shitty mess” would we? But you didn’t and remoaners will cry like little girls till the end of time, because you couldn’t get your own way. So the 52% of people that voted leave, you couldn’t care about? When will you respect the result of a democratic vote? " What do you mean by “respect the vote”? Personally I’m not in favour of a second referendum. I care about all the people regardless of which way they voted. The reason we discuss and try to influence government policy any way we can is exactly because we do care. And it’s sad to see this country slipping into darker times, you can bet the Tories will hit us with more austerity as the country becomes poorer and as life gets harder. We’re all effected by this, and a lot of the poorer parts of the uk that predominantly voted out, such as Cornwall, will be worst hit. It’s a terrible situation. | |||
"27 all in the German pockets see you make it about the germans.... i would make it about the UK and most brexiteers not wanting to abide by the good friday agreement... i still think most of you would be willing to sacrifice Northern Ireland (and Scotland in a break up of the Union) for your brexit dream......"
I find this whole'the EU are bullies' argument ridicules. The fact is if the EU were bullies they have shown long suffering patience with our government the maybot. The truth is May is like the thug who terrorises their community claiming that the only reason they do it is because they are not being shown 'respekt'. Fact is the only ignorant and disrespectful people at the table are the UK government and if the EU were anything other than the most patient of adults in their dealings with us they would have said:
No more, you are out at midnight on the 29/3/19. No transition, no continued coverage from EU regulatory bodies, no importation of regulated goods to the EU without the UK first establishing internationally recognised regulatory authorities, no access to EU markets for UK financial services and all goods entering the EU from the UK will be subject to full WTO 3rd country regulations.
Of course the EU are not doing that because that would be bullying, however May is attempting to use those very same threats to force the EU to do what she wants... Now what is that behaviour called? | |||
" Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there. Well if you guys won, we wouldn’t be in this “shitty mess” would we? But you didn’t and remoaners will cry like little girls till the end of time, because you couldn’t get your own way. So the 52% of people that voted leave, you couldn’t care about? When will you respect the result of a democratic vote? " Actually, speaking only for myself, I do care about the 52% of people that voted leave. And from what I can tell the only people who ever bring out the "Tough, deal with it" line are those that voted leave. I respect the result of a democratic vote. Do you respect democracy itself? Can you even respect a concept you don't understand? -Matt | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous. "Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.  | |||
" Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there. Well if you guys won, we wouldn’t be in this “shitty mess” would we? But you didn’t and remoaners will cry like little girls till the end of time, because you couldn’t get your own way. So the 52% of people that voted leave, you couldn’t care about? When will you respect the result of a democratic vote? What do you mean by “respect the vote”? Personally I’m not in favour of a second referendum. I care about all the people regardless of which way they voted. The reason we discuss and try to influence government policy any way we can is exactly because we do care. And it’s sad to see this country slipping into darker times, you can bet the Tories will hit us with more austerity as the country becomes poorer and as life gets harder. We’re all effected by this, and a lot of the poorer parts of the uk that predominantly voted out, such as Cornwall, will be worst hit. It’s a terrible situation. " How noble of you, lol. Why then do remainers keep harping on about the cost of foreign holidays increasing because of the pound dropping and the "oh you'll need 2 driving permits one for Spain and one for France" trotted out by the likes of _abio on this thread. Could it be they are only concerned about themselves while dressing it up as concern for others. It's bollocks and doesn't take much to see through to the truth of it. Many of the poorest who voted for Brexit can't even afford a foreign holiday yet are patronised constantly by remoaners. Remoaners are frankly detached from reality and don't live in the real world. | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along. "Totally miss the point as always Centy. | |||
"27 all in the German pockets see you make it about the germans.... i would make it about the UK and most brexiteers not wanting to abide by the good friday agreement... i still think most of you would be willing to sacrifice Northern Ireland (and Scotland in a break up of the Union) for your brexit dream......
I find this whole'the EU are bullies' argument ridicules. The fact is if the EU were bullies they have shown long suffering patience with our government the maybot. The truth is May is like the thug who terrorises their community claiming that the only reason they do it is because they are not being shown 'respekt'. Fact is the only ignorant and disrespectful people at the table are the UK government and if the EU were anything other than the most patient of adults in their dealings with us they would have said:
No more, you are out at midnight on the 29/3/19. No transition, no continued coverage from EU regulatory bodies, no importation of regulated goods to the EU without the UK first establishing internationally recognised regulatory authorities, no access to EU markets for UK financial services and all goods entering the EU from the UK will be subject to full WTO 3rd country regulations.
Of course the EU are not doing that because that would be bullying, however May is attempting to use those very same threats to force the EU to do what she wants... Now what is that behaviour called?"So you think Theresa May looks like the local thug? There must be a lot of dangerous old women in Moston! Lets be honest she has acted like a pussy cat with the Eu allowing them to call the shots but it finally looks like she has ordered the troops to form a square to save the day for the Uk!  | |||
" Wow so now remain voters are to blame for the shitty mess we’re in because not enough of us voted against this farce. Some top notch leaver logic there. Well if you guys won, we wouldn’t be in this “shitty mess” would we? But you didn’t and remoaners will cry like little girls till the end of time, because you couldn’t get your own way. So the 52% of people that voted leave, you couldn’t care about? When will you respect the result of a democratic vote? What do you mean by “respect the vote”? Personally I’m not in favour of a second referendum. I care about all the people regardless of which way they voted. The reason we discuss and try to influence government policy any way we can is exactly because we do care. And it’s sad to see this country slipping into darker times, you can bet the Tories will hit us with more austerity as the country becomes poorer and as life gets harder. We’re all effected by this, and a lot of the poorer parts of the uk that predominantly voted out, such as Cornwall, will be worst hit. It’s a terrible situation. How noble of you, lol. Why then do remainers keep harping on about the cost of foreign holidays increasing because of the pound dropping and the "oh you'll need 2 driving permits one for Spain and one for France" trotted out by the likes of _abio on this thread. Could it be they are only concerned about themselves while dressing it up as concern for others. It's bollocks and doesn't take much to see through to the truth of it. Many of the poorest who voted for Brexit can't even afford a foreign holiday yet are patronised constantly by remoaners. Remoaners are frankly detached from reality and don't live in the real world. " I haven’t ever mentioned the cost of a foreign holiday. I’m less concerned about luxuries like this and much more concerned about the increased cost of living combined with job losses, austerity measures and lower income. As always these things impact the less fortunate in society. I note how, as usual, you don’t have any actual valid arguement and you resort to the usual catchphrases and attempt some kind of Symantec victory by attempting to twist the fudcussipn elsewhere.  | |||
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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " Let’s not get carried away.. she was begging to the EU to negotiate further  | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy."its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor. | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor. "It’s Jesus’s blood | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for " The ridiculous concept of “British Entitlement” encapsulated in one post. It is this kind of thinking that fails to differentiate between patriotic sentiment and unfounded entitlement. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for The ridiculous concept of “British Entitlement” encapsulated in one post. It is this kind of thinking that fails to differentiate between patriotic sentiment and unfounded entitlement. " This will be a harsh lesson learned for some .The world owes you fuck all . | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March.
so you voted for britain to lose most of its european treaties and a lot of european-us/asia/africa agreements as well....
you are in for a hell of a shock then.....
Not entirely, we still have WTO agreements. Which are pretty good deals. No deal is much better than a bad deal.
About travel/working in Europe.
I’ve already spoken to afew European embassies in London, at worst we will need visas to travel which isn’t a major concern. Remember they need us just as much as we need them. Spain for example are worried about there tourist industry and want a good deal. "You really think Spain are worried about uk tourist !! Where else can you go for summer holidays ?? Scotland ? It's going to cost you more to go there getting visa , but it ant like uk people have many choices, | |||
"The problem is Ireland surely it is up to the Irish to work on a deal that suits them and put it to us and the EU,problem solved.I blame the Irish not the rest of the EU because they have the power to do something about it" If you voted leave, did you ask the question what this would mean? The responsibility belongs to no-one else except those who voted leave. If you voted leave without the foggiest clue how to fix these problems, or even what problems it would create, then the responsibility lies squarely with you. No-one else. | |||
" Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along. "Bullying? Nasty? Are they trying to stop the UK leaving the EU? Or is it simply the case the people who voted leave hadn't a fuckin' clue what they were voting for, and now need to find someone else to blame for their cluster-fuck? Grow a pair and take some responsibility. | |||
" Lets be honest she has acted like a pussy cat with the Eu allowing them to call the shots but it finally looks like she has ordered the troops to form a square to save the day for the Uk! "Really? I think you and many here still don't get it. We are the ones leaving the EU. You do not get to leave a club you are a member of and still get to use the club as if you were still a member. The Empire is gone and we are not the dominant power in the world who can use 'gun boat' diplomacy to bully 'Jonny Foreigner' into toeing our line. Fact is it is May who is saying 'my way or no way' refusing to listen to her cabinet, her party, parliament and the EU. It is May who is claiming that if she does not get her way she will force the UK to leave the EU without any deal. It is May who claims she can do this without breaking the GFA (but one must remember she has already broken that agreement already when she got the DUP to prop up her administration after her failed vanity election. There is a reason she is called the Maybot, it is because like a robot she is inflexible and fails to adapt even when it becomes obvious that things are going badly wrong. Like it or not she is the one who is attempting to bully everyone who does not agree with her into doing as she tells them. This may work with the cabinet and tory party, it may even work with parliament (for a little longer) but it will not work with the EU and we are soon going to have to face that truth. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for The ridiculous concept of “British Entitlement” encapsulated in one post. It is this kind of thinking that fails to differentiate between patriotic sentiment and unfounded entitlement. This will be a harsh lesson learned for some .The world owes you fuck all . "Are you trying to say that hankering for the halcyon days of the Empire is not progressive thinking for a modern global economy.. | |||
" Lets be honest she has acted like a pussy cat with the Eu allowing them to call the shots but it finally looks like she has ordered the troops to form a square to save the day for the Uk!
Really?
I think you and many here still don't get it.
We are the ones leaving the EU. You do not get to leave a club you are a member of and still get to use the club as if you were still a member. The Empire is gone and we are not the dominant power in the world who can use 'gun boat' diplomacy to bully 'Jonny Foreigner' into toeing our line. Fact is it is May who is saying 'my way or no way' refusing to listen to her cabinet, her party, parliament and the EU. It is May who is claiming that if she does not get her way she will force the UK to leave the EU without any deal. It is May who claims she can do this without breaking the GFA (but one must remember she has already broken that agreement already when she got the DUP to prop up her administration after her failed vanity election. There is a reason she is called the Maybot, it is because like a robot she is inflexible and fails to adapt even when it becomes obvious that things are going badly wrong. Like it or not she is the one who is attempting to bully everyone who does not agree with her into doing as she tells them. This may work with the cabinet and tory party, it may even work with parliament (for a little longer) but it will not work with the EU and we are soon going to have to face that truth."A lot of the brexiteers strategy was premised on them being able to drive wedges between the EU countries and negotiate with them separately. On that basis the UK, as the stronger country, could have bullied Ireland. Unfortunately, the EU has maintained its solidarity and the UK is forced to negotiate with a much more powerful and stronger adversary. Consequently the UK is fucked. | |||
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"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. " And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt | |||
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"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor. "British Pub giant Wetherspoons has already dumped all EU produced drinks from its menu, and is now only selling Beers, wines and spirits from the rest of the world outside of the EU. It's about time other UK businesses followed suit. | |||
" Lets be honest she has acted like a pussy cat with the Eu allowing them to call the shots but it finally looks like she has ordered the troops to form a square to save the day for the Uk!
Really?
I think you and many here still don't get it.
We are the ones leaving the EU. You do not get to leave a club you are a member of and still get to use the club as if you were still a member. The Empire is gone and we are not the dominant power in the world who can use 'gun boat' diplomacy to bully 'Jonny Foreigner' into toeing our line. Fact is it is May who is saying 'my way or no way' refusing to listen to her cabinet, her party, parliament and the EU. It is May who is claiming that if she does not get her way she will force the UK to leave the EU without any deal. It is May who claims she can do this without breaking the GFA (but one must remember she has already broken that agreement already when she got the DUP to prop up her administration after her failed vanity election. There is a reason she is called the Maybot, it is because like a robot she is inflexible and fails to adapt even when it becomes obvious that things are going badly wrong. Like it or not she is the one who is attempting to bully everyone who does not agree with her into doing as she tells them. This may work with the cabinet and tory party, it may even work with parliament (for a little longer) but it will not work with the EU and we are soon going to have to face that truth.
A lot of the brexiteers strategy was premised on them being able to drive wedges between the EU countries and negotiate with them separately. On that basis the UK, as the stronger country, could have bullied Ireland.
Unfortunately, the EU has maintained its solidarity and the UK is forced to negotiate with a much more powerful and stronger adversary.
Consequently the UK is fucked. "That's just not true. The so called 'United front' put out by the EU is nothing more than a mirage and an illusion. If you'd listened to what the leader of Hungary Victor Orban said after Saltzberg then he has completely shattered any idea of European unity on Brexit. He said that the EU27 is split into two camps, one camp who wishes to punish the UK for leaving, and the other camp (which Hungary is part of) which wants a good and fair Brexit deal for the UK. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for Not sure I understand this at all. The UK is leaving the EU. I don’t see any of the EU27 countries bullying the UK or trying to stop it. What I do see is the UK looking for doors to get back in, and discovering it is not nearly as easy or simple as the British nationalists said it would be. The UK made its bed. Now it must lie in it. If it is not what you expected it to be, the only people to blame are those who persuaded you to leave." I'd keep voting leave no matter what. Don't knock those of us that voted leave .I didn't want us to join the shambles in the first place | |||
" Many of the poorest who voted for Brexit can't even afford a foreign holiday yet are patronised constantly by remoaners. Remoaners are frankly detached from reality and don't live in the real world. " you want "real world" here is comes.... the ex sec for departing the european union, david davies said this on wednesday in his speech in munich... the pound will likely fall even further on exit from the european union.... nice of him to finally admit this.... because here is your real world example coming up..... fuel is priced in us dollars.... that means we will be able to buy less which will increase the price we pay.... no just fuel.... most enegry is priced in us dollars, most foodstocks are priced in us dollars.... so you like to the use the "poorest don't go on foreign holidays" examples... well the pound dropping effects us ALL... and those poorest, who you suddenly seem to have found an affinity for, the hardest disproportionately because they have the least disposable income to suck up the increases....... so next time you put petrol/diesel in your tank.... think of that!!!!... are you going to partronise them again by saying "but its good for exporters"!!!! (which it wont be because their goods will have tarriffs slapped on them under your much fabled WTO rules) | |||
"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt" Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. | |||
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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March."So are you saying that we should go back to how we were in 1973 before we joined the EEC? Is that what you're saying the people voted for? | |||
"Who did you blame for the pound and fuel going up and down before brexit Fabio do you think this as never happened before and that yr educating all us dumb arses " combination of the devaluation of the pound (it has gone down by about 10-15%) and the rise in petrol prices (that has gone up from around 40 dollars a barrel to currently 77 dollars a barrel at the moment) | |||
"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. " Centaur. Seriously. Wake up. Of course we can leave. That is easy. That is happening regardless. No-one is disputing that. The EU are not holding us hostage, or whatever dramatic imagery you want to try and use. We can leave. We will leave. Simple. The issue is that all along, right from the very start, right from before Brexit was even a thing, it was quite obvious that if you leave something you don't continue to get the benefits of it. Simple. "Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go" No. Not at all. The EU are saying, "You are free to go, just you don't get to continue using our washing machine after you've left". It really is simple. Very simple. Nothing has changed. The EU have said the same thing for the past year. -Matt | |||
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"Ha! - EU know what you can do with your washing machine too. Stick it up your jumper!!" That's fine. But May is continually trying to argue we should have access to it, and then people like Centy are saying that the EU are being mean nasties by not letting us have access to it. And of course, the scene for all of this was set by that twat Farage standing up in the EU chamber and slagging everyone else off. -Matt | |||
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"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. Centaur. Seriously. Wake up. Of course we can leave. That is easy. That is happening regardless. No-one is disputing that. The EU are not holding us hostage, or whatever dramatic imagery you want to try and use. We can leave. We will leave. Simple. The issue is that all along, right from the very start, right from before Brexit was even a thing, it was quite obvious that if you leave something you don't continue to get the benefits of it. Simple. "Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go" No. Not at all. The EU are saying, "You are free to go, just you don't get to continue using our washing machine after you've left". It really is simple. Very simple. Nothing has changed. The EU have said the same thing for the past year. -Matt" You are the one who needs to wake up here Matt. It's more than obvious what the EU's game is. They want to keep us in the single market and the customs union (which is not really leaving the EU), and they are employing every trick in the book to try to achieve it. As a leave voter I don't want to use the EU's washing machine, or their cooker or their fridge either for that matter, because the so called benefits of the EU come with many shitty strings attached. If you want to use their washing machine you'll be charged over the odds financially for it, and you'll have to peg out all of the EU's washing to dry for them, (maybe pick up other members dirty washing off the floor and load the machine for the next wash too), with using their cooker you'll be expected to clean it afterwards and with using their fridge you'll be expected to stock it while other members raid what you've put in there, so best to read the small print. I just want to leave, full stop, (that means leaving the customs union and also leaving the single market for the hard of hearing). | |||
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"Ha! - EU know what you can do with your washing machine too. Stick it up your jumper!! That's fine. But May is continually trying to argue we should have access to it, and then people like Centy are saying that the EU are being mean nasties by not letting us have access to it. And of course, the scene for all of this was set by that twat Farage standing up in the EU chamber and slagging everyone else off. -Matt" I’m not interested in their crumby washing machine, it probably catches fire anyways. As for our Nige, I never get tired of the “you’re not laughing now” speech. | |||
"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. Centaur. Seriously. Wake up. Of course we can leave. That is easy. That is happening regardless. No-one is disputing that. The EU are not holding us hostage, or whatever dramatic imagery you want to try and use. We can leave. We will leave. Simple. The issue is that all along, right from the very start, right from before Brexit was even a thing, it was quite obvious that if you leave something you don't continue to get the benefits of it. Simple. "Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go" No. Not at all. The EU are saying, "You are free to go, just you don't get to continue using our washing machine after you've left". It really is simple. Very simple. Nothing has changed. The EU have said the same thing for the past year. -Matt You are the one who needs to wake up here Matt. It's more than obvious what the EU's game is. They want to keep us in the single market and the customs union (which is not really leaving the EU), and they are employing every trick in the book to try to achieve it. As a leave voter I don't want to use the EU's washing machine, or their cooker or their fridge either for that matter, because the so called benefits of the EU come with many shitty strings attached. If you want to use their washing machine you'll be charged over the odds financially for it, and you'll have to peg out all of the EU's washing to dry for them, (maybe pick up other members dirty washing off the floor and load the machine for the next wash too), with using their cooker you'll be expected to clean it afterwards and with using their fridge you'll be expected to stock it while other members raid what you've put in there, so best to read the small print. I just want to leave, full stop, (that means leaving the customs union and also leaving the single market for the hard of hearing). " Would it be better for the rest of the EU if we stayed in the customs union and the single market? Yes, it likely would. Just like it would be best for us if we stayed in the customs union and the single market. Remember, it will hurt us more leaving than it will hurt them. Any idiot can see that. But are they trying to keep us in? No, I don't think they are. If they were, then maybe they'd be bending a bit on their position. But the impression I get is they are basically fed up with is whinging and whining and unable to actually come up with a coherent plan ourselves. Remember, even if you leave the EU out of the negotiation for a minute, our OWN government can't come to a consensus on what approach we should take. So, I'll ask you Centy as I've asked others on here (none of which will answer). When you voted to leave, what in your mind was the solution to the NI border issue? How did you think we were going to reconcile both not putting a border in between NI and Eire, but also 'taking back control' of our borders? How did you think good, customs, tarriffs etc would work? -Matt | |||
" Toys. Out. The. Pram. It is pathetic to watch. " Sums up remainers over the last 2 years.... | |||
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"I'd keep voting leave no matter what. Don't knock those of us that voted leave .I didn't want us to join the shambles in the first place " This pretty much sums up the leave voters who post on this forum. Doesn’t matter the consequences, the negative effects of Brexit. Just vote for it anyway “no matter what”. | |||
"I'd keep voting leave no matter what. Don't knock those of us that voted leave .I didn't want us to join the shambles in the first place This pretty much sums up the leave voters who post on this forum. Doesn’t matter the consequences, the negative effects of Brexit. Just vote for it anyway “no matter what”." Here here they all think they no best It’s sad to keep hearing it but hey it will be there loss when they wake up and think It’s a mess now it ain’t going to get any better | |||
"Well said Matt with all your coments. Brexiters will see the mistake they have made. " Doubt it. They will blame someone else. -Matt | |||
" Toys. Out. The. Pram. It is pathetic to watch. Sums up remainers over the last 2 years.... ". | |||
"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. Centaur. Seriously. Wake up. Of course we can leave. That is easy. That is happening regardless. No-one is disputing that. The EU are not holding us hostage, or whatever dramatic imagery you want to try and use. We can leave. We will leave. Simple. The issue is that all along, right from the very start, right from before Brexit was even a thing, it was quite obvious that if you leave something you don't continue to get the benefits of it. Simple. "Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go" No. Not at all. The EU are saying, "You are free to go, just you don't get to continue using our washing machine after you've left". It really is simple. Very simple. Nothing has changed. The EU have said the same thing for the past year. -Matt You are the one who needs to wake up here Matt. It's more than obvious what the EU's game is. They want to keep us in the single market and the customs union (which is not really leaving the EU), and they are employing every trick in the book to try to achieve it. As a leave voter I don't want to use the EU's washing machine, or their cooker or their fridge either for that matter, because the so called benefits of the EU come with many shitty strings attached. If you want to use their washing machine you'll be charged over the odds financially for it, and you'll have to peg out all of the EU's washing to dry for them, (maybe pick up other members dirty washing off the floor and load the machine for the next wash too), with using their cooker you'll be expected to clean it afterwards and with using their fridge you'll be expected to stock it while other members raid what you've put in there, so best to read the small print. I just want to leave, full stop, (that means leaving the customs union and also leaving the single market for the hard of hearing). Would it be better for the rest of the EU if we stayed in the customs union and the single market? Yes, it likely would. Just like it would be best for us if we stayed in the customs union and the single market. Remember, it will hurt us more leaving than it will hurt them. Any idiot can see that. But are they trying to keep us in? No, I don't think they are. If they were, then maybe they'd be bending a bit on their position. But the impression I get is they are basically fed up with is whinging and whining and unable to actually come up with a coherent plan ourselves. Remember, even if you leave the EU out of the negotiation for a minute, our OWN government can't come to a consensus on what approach we should take. So, I'll ask you Centy as I've asked others on here (none of which will answer). When you voted to leave, what in your mind was the solution to the NI border issue? How did you think we were going to reconcile both not putting a border in between NI and Eire, but also 'taking back control' of our borders? How did you think good, customs, tarriffs etc would work? -Matt" The Northern Ireland border problem is being blown up out of all proportion by both the EU and remoaners in the UK alike. The solution is we just leave and have customs checks away from the border as outlined by the ERG last week. Sensible elements within the EU have even admitted themselves the Irish border can be monitored remotely away from the border with technology and other solutions without the need for any new physical infrastructure being placed on the actual border. You know full well the sensitivities around the Irish border and the obligations we're under with the good Friday agreement, so no hard border can be put there for that reason but random customs checks on things like livestock already happen now, so what is the fuss about continuing it after Brexit? A currency border already exits there and gas done for decades as does a tax border, a health care border and whole host of other differences between the UK and Rep of Ireland, that won't Change with Brexit and a few other additional changes can be accommodated with political good will. Whether the EU decides to show any political good will to the UK remains to be seen though, based on how they've behaved so far in this process I won't be holding my breath. | |||
"The whole debacle sums up the ineptitude of the UK's ability to influence friends and neighbours. Toys. Out. The. Pram. We shot ourselves in one foot. Now we are pointing the gun at our other foot and shouting at the EU that we'll fire if they don't let us back in. It is pathetic to watch. This was supposed to be the easiest thing anyone ever did. We have the rest of the world to look forward to after the EU. The country is utterly divided, the Government is torn in different directions, there is no coherent political alternative. That is obvious to all on the outside, including the EU27. Imagine a team - a football team, say - going into their most important contest, with the players all fighting amongst themselves, threatening to sack the manager, half the crowd shouting obscenities at them. That is a very very weak position to be starting any negotiation from. And every other country knows it. And to top it all off, after all this display of complete and utter negotiating ineptitude, the leavers still want us to believe that we will be able to strike up all these mythical trade deals. And they will be wonderful. And better than what we have. And will happen sometime before the heat-death of the universe. -Matt Negotiating free trade deals with the rest of the world won't be the same as negotiating Brexit with the EU though and its foolish of you to compare the two. For the simple reason the rest of the world won't have this attitude of punishment towards the UK which the EU clearly has and which the leader of Hungary Victor Orban has confirmed some elements within the EU have towards the UK for leaving. These dark nefarious elements within the EU have this hotel California attitude towards the UK, in that they think we can check out but we can never leave, we have checked out by triggering article 50 and they are in for a rude awakening in March next year when we actually leave. Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go, they are behaving like a deranged Glen Close in the Fatal Attraction movie, and they are probably boiling British bunnies in Brussels as we speak. You can't negotiate sensibly with these zealots in Brussels who see the EU project as some sort of twisted religious ideology. The sooner we can dump these deranged bunny boilers in Brussels and get onto having sensible, level headed and progressive trade talks with the rest of the world the better. Centaur. Seriously. Wake up. Of course we can leave. That is easy. That is happening regardless. No-one is disputing that. The EU are not holding us hostage, or whatever dramatic imagery you want to try and use. We can leave. We will leave. Simple. The issue is that all along, right from the very start, right from before Brexit was even a thing, it was quite obvious that if you leave something you don't continue to get the benefits of it. Simple. "Like a jilted lover the EU just refuses to let us go" No. Not at all. The EU are saying, "You are free to go, just you don't get to continue using our washing machine after you've left". It really is simple. Very simple. Nothing has changed. The EU have said the same thing for the past year. -Matt You are the one who needs to wake up here Matt. It's more than obvious what the EU's game is. They want to keep us in the single market and the customs union (which is not really leaving the EU), and they are employing every trick in the book to try to achieve it. As a leave voter I don't want to use the EU's washing machine, or their cooker or their fridge either for that matter, because the so called benefits of the EU come with many shitty strings attached. If you want to use their washing machine you'll be charged over the odds financially for it, and you'll have to peg out all of the EU's washing to dry for them, (maybe pick up other members dirty washing off the floor and load the machine for the next wash too), with using their cooker you'll be expected to clean it afterwards and with using their fridge you'll be expected to stock it while other members raid what you've put in there, so best to read the small print. I just want to leave, full stop, (that means leaving the customs union and also leaving the single market for the hard of hearing). Would it be better for the rest of the EU if we stayed in the customs union and the single market? Yes, it likely would. Just like it would be best for us if we stayed in the customs union and the single market. Remember, it will hurt us more leaving than it will hurt them. Any idiot can see that. But are they trying to keep us in? No, I don't think they are. If they were, then maybe they'd be bending a bit on their position. But the impression I get is they are basically fed up with is whinging and whining and unable to actually come up with a coherent plan ourselves. Remember, even if you leave the EU out of the negotiation for a minute, our OWN government can't come to a consensus on what approach we should take. So, I'll ask you Centy as I've asked others on here (none of which will answer). When you voted to leave, what in your mind was the solution to the NI border issue? How did you think we were going to reconcile both not putting a border in between NI and Eire, but also 'taking back control' of our borders? How did you think good, customs, tarriffs etc would work? -Matt The Northern Ireland border problem is being blown up out of all proportion by both the EU and remoaners in the UK alike. The solution is we just leave and have customs checks away from the border as outlined by the ERG last week. Sensible elements within the EU have even admitted themselves the Irish border can be monitored remotely away from the border with technology and other solutions without the need for any new physical infrastructure being placed on the actual border. You know full well the sensitivities around the Irish border and the obligations we're under with the good Friday agreement, so no hard border can be put there for that reason but random customs checks on things like livestock already happen now, so what is the fuss about continuing it after Brexit? A currency border already exits there and gas done for decades as does a tax border, a health care border and whole host of other differences between the UK and Rep of Ireland, that won't Change with Brexit and a few other additional changes can be accommodated with political good will. Whether the EU decides to show any political good will to the UK remains to be seen though, based on how they've behaved so far in this process I won't be holding my breath. " "Blown up" you say? Let's hope your poor choice of words is just that. Have checks "away from the border"... how does that work then? Do we end up with some kind of no-man's land in the middle? There are something like 300 points where minor or major roads cross the border. How do you think that will actually work? But, anyways, good job Rees-Mogg has told you what to think now, but that didn't answer my question as to what your solution was at the time you voted? But let's just run with this, then. So ERG want a hard brexit and no deal. So what are you going to do for the next few years it takes to get these border checks away from the border set up? We crash out in 6 months time. You've only just been told about this idea (that is not even an official plan) of 'checkpoints away from the border'. What you going to do in the meantime? Remember, you are doing all this to 'take back control'. What 'political goodwill' are you expecting the EU to come forth with? What does that actually look like to you? If you could wave a magic wand and have the EU do anything you wanted with regards to the border issue, what would you have them do, or agree to? Them just saying "Oh, you know what? Fuck it... no border needed. Let's just leave it open"? The xenophobes won't be too happy with that one. Foreign people might get in. What about the government's plan to put generators on barges in the Irish Sea for when NI is no longer able to buy energy through the EU? You think that is sound? 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"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for if one side had never budged from day one about what you would be losing...and why they are commited to and the other side has basically been wanting their cake and eat it... and changed their proposal time and time again... its the latter that are bullying the former.... we decided to leave, not the other way round! i only see 1 side kicking and screaming... the other 27 didn't take their ball and run off..." The other 27 stood in the goal and blocked it. 1 player against 27 was never going to be good odds for any agreement. They will now miss our money. They thought if they made it hard for us the Whole UK not just britain that we would give in to their mad demands The EU is not a free trade area our governments pre pay with our tax for the right to trade.Time to tell them to get customs in place that way trade will continue. | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for Why is it bullying to stand up for one's position as per the rules that all parties have committed to abide by and adhere to? When the EU are trying to split the UK that is bullying. The EU demands over Northern Ireland are the most likely thing to bring back a full war. Leo the Irish Republics PM is in a dream land. " | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for . "We are more than great britain we are the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. | |||
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" What 'political goodwill' are you expecting the EU to come forth with? What does that actually look like to you? If you could wave a magic wand and have the EU do anything you wanted with regards to the border issue, what would you have them do, or agree to? Them just saying "Oh, you know what? Fuck it... no border needed. Let's just leave it open"? The xenophobes won't be too happy with that one. Foreign people might get in. What about the government's plan to put generators on barges in the Irish Sea for when NI is no longer able to buy energy through the EU? You think that is sound? Does Moggy have an alternative plan? -Matt" Well according to the house of commons committee NI has a generating surplus and will have until 2012 at least and that is only going tobe lost due to a couple of stations being closed due to emmissions, of course if there was an issue with supply security due to Eire not wishing to supply the north they could be still used, there is more renewables due to come on line also so I dont think yur concerns are an issue, electric security is more f a concern on the mainland if anything | |||
" are you even listening to yourself..... and as for your european travel examples..... i don't think you really have spoken to embassies... since you used spain as an example... if you were driving to spain on an international permit... there might be a bit of an issue, because you would actually need two different permits! one for france, and one for spain (same permit for those outside the EU would not be valid for both!) " Well according to the post office who issue them ONE IDP covers everywhere the 1949 agreement coversonly fr three countries do you need the 1926 one aswell. Also if youre an old fart like me and still have the paper version of the uk licence you need one in many EU countries already. | |||
" What 'political goodwill' are you expecting the EU to come forth with? What does that actually look like to you? If you could wave a magic wand and have the EU do anything you wanted with regards to the border issue, what would you have them do, or agree to? Them just saying "Oh, you know what? Fuck it... no border needed. Let's just leave it open"? The xenophobes won't be too happy with that one. Foreign people might get in. What about the government's plan to put generators on barges in the Irish Sea for when NI is no longer able to buy energy through the EU? You think that is sound? Does Moggy have an alternative plan? -Matt Well according to the house of commons committee NI has a generating surplus and will have until 2012 at least and that is only going tobe lost due to a couple of stations being closed due to emmissions, of course if there was an issue with supply security due to Eire not wishing to supply the north they could be still used, there is more renewables due to come on line also so I dont think yur concerns are an issue, electric security is more f a concern on the mainland if anything" Until 2012? Well good job Brexiteers what to drag us back to 1950
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" What 'political goodwill' are you expecting the EU to come forth with? What does that actually look like to you? If you could wave a magic wand and have the EU do anything you wanted with regards to the border issue, what would you have them do, or agree to? Them just saying "Oh, you know what? Fuck it... no border needed. Let's just leave it open"? The xenophobes won't be too happy with that one. Foreign people might get in. What about the government's plan to put generators on barges in the Irish Sea for when NI is no longer able to buy energy through the EU? You think that is sound? Does Moggy have an alternative plan? -Matt Well according to the house of commons committee NI has a generating surplus and will have until 2012 at least and that is only going tobe lost due to a couple of stations being closed due to emmissions, of course if there was an issue with supply security due to Eire not wishing to supply the north they could be still used, there is more renewables due to come on line also so I dont think yur concerns are an issue, electric security is more f a concern on the mainland if anything Until 2012? Well good job Brexiteers what to drag us back to 1950
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" When the EU are trying to split the UK that is bullying. The EU demands over Northern Ireland are the most likely thing to bring back a full war. Leo the Irish Republics PM is in a dream land. " The UK is shifting the goalposts. No-one else. By leaving the EU, we are declaring we no longer want our borders to be invisible. Take back control and all that. Border checks, controls, none of yer Johnny Foreigner just waltzing in any more. I'm afraid it doesn't work in Ireland. Britain built a bridgehead against Irish nationalism in the 19th century by incentivising Scottish protestants to relocate to Ulster. The last colonialists, people who think themselves to be more British than anyone on the mainland. Still stuck in this time warp that they're a bulwark against the Roman Catholics seizing the crown of Britain and declaring the land a Papacy. I suspect it would be cheaper to build a city on the British mainland and rehouse the Ulster Protestants there, than try to sustain an artificial divide between the people or Ireland. | |||
"It's the Brexiters in the tory party ie moron Johnson and his merry crew who have not helped the situation. So Don't blame the EU in how they have reacted. So say well done the EU. Very patriotic of you!" It's not patriotic to support swivel eyed loons and liars just because theyre british | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for
No deal Brexit is what the people voted for.
It was in or out. Not abit out and abit in.
Roll on March."Odd that you should think that's what people voted for. It wasnt what we were told would happen if we voted out | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor.
British Pub giant Wetherspoons has already dumped all EU produced drinks from its menu, and is now only selling Beers, wines and spirits from the rest of the world outside of the EU. It's about time other UK businesses followed suit. "Wetherspoons is hardly a proxy for the whole economy is it? | |||
"Stand up to the eu bullies/dictators ....we are great Britain...they on the run now and shit scared other will leave the gang once we gone....even some remainders must now see what the eu really is and stands for .
We are more than great britain we are the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. "Not for very long after a hard brexit. | |||
"It's the Brexiters in the tory party ie moron Johnson and his merry crew who have not helped the situation. So Don't blame the EU in how they have reacted. So say well done the EU. Very patriotic of you! It's not patriotic to support swivel eyed loons and liars just because theyre british" I was talking about the "well done the Eu" bit!  | |||
"It's the Brexiters in the tory party ie moron Johnson and his merry crew who have not helped the situation. So Don't blame the EU in how they have reacted. So say well done the EU. Very patriotic of you! It's not patriotic to support swivel eyed loons and liars just because theyre british I was talking about the "well done the Eu" bit! "So we aren't allowed to acknowledge that the EU might have done something well because that would be unpatriotic??? | |||
"It's the Brexiters in the tory party ie moron Johnson and his merry crew who have not helped the situation. So Don't blame the EU in how they have reacted. So say well done the EU. Very patriotic of you! It's not patriotic to support swivel eyed loons and liars just because theyre british I was talking about the "well done the Eu" bit!
So we aren't allowed to acknowledge that the EU might have done something well because that would be unpatriotic??? "It sounds more like gloating than acknowledging they have done something well! | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor.
British Pub giant Wetherspoons has already dumped all EU produced drinks from its menu, and is now only selling Beers, wines and spirits from the rest of the world outside of the EU. It's about time other UK businesses followed suit.
Wetherspoons is hardly a proxy for the whole economy is it?"Wetherspoons is an exceptionally well run company with a strongly performing share price in a highly competitive industry . It provides employment to a significant number of people in addition to paying substantial business rates . Unlike the EU , it also provides excellent value for money. | |||
"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor.
British Pub giant Wetherspoons has already dumped all EU produced drinks from its menu, and is now only selling Beers, wines and spirits from the rest of the world outside of the EU. It's about time other UK businesses followed suit.
Wetherspoons is hardly a proxy for the whole economy is it? Wetherspoons is an exceptionally well run company with a strongly performing share price in a highly competitive industry .
It provides employment to a significant number of people in addition to paying substantial business rates .
Unlike the EU , it also provides excellent value for money. "I don’t doubt they are an exceptionally well run company. And they have done a great job in promoting local beers to the masses. And I’m sure they do employ a vast number of people. I don’t think their business has that much risk from Brexit directly (apart from less disposable income people will have) as they are able to source most of their products from within the U.K. As for value for money, again, they have a great business model. They pioneered the idea of a ‘chameleon’ pub that is usable morning, day and night. They are the ‘McDonalds of the pub world’. They are nothing special, but you know exact what you are getting with a Wetherspoons regardless of where you are. And that model seems to be doing very well for them. But to say the EU doesnt provide value for money is just nonsensical. Could it be more efficient? Yes of course. And our MPs could stop wasting our money on duck houses too. But still we get an awful lot for our EU membership fee and as we are seeing on a daily basis, we are going to have to spend quite a bit to replace what we are losing access to. -Matt | |||
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"If may had pulled the same stunt on instagram that tusk pulled you wud slay her on here Fabio lol Have you seen the front of the fu*king tabloids? Yeah, a cake meme is outrageous.
Hahaha what's wrong are you scared the media coverage will damage your so called people's vote prospects? Face it the EU is being exposed for the nasty, bullying, vile, organisation that it really is, and this media coverage will convince more people to vote leave should another vote come along.
Totally miss the point as always Centy.its funny, because I’m pretty sure a benefit of brexit is cheaper wine ... the nectar of the poor.
British Pub giant Wetherspoons has already dumped all EU produced drinks from its menu, and is now only selling Beers, wines and spirits from the rest of the world outside of the EU. It's about time other UK businesses followed suit.
Wetherspoons is hardly a proxy for the whole economy is it? Wetherspoons is an exceptionally well run company with a strongly performing share price in a highly competitive industry .
It provides employment to a significant number of people in addition to paying substantial business rates .
Unlike the EU , it also provides excellent value for money.
I don’t doubt they are an exceptionally well run company. And they have done a great job in promoting local beers to the masses. And I’m sure they do employ a vast number of people. I don’t think their business has that much risk from Brexit directly (apart from less disposable income people will have) as they are able to source most of their products from within the U.K.
As for value for money, again, they have a great business model. They pioneered the idea of a ‘chameleon’ pub that is usable morning, day and night. They are the ‘McDonalds of the pub world’. They are nothing special, but you know exact what you are getting with a Wetherspoons regardless of where you are. And that model seems to be doing very well for them.
But to say the EU doesnt provide value for money is just nonsensical. Could it be more efficient? Yes of course. And our MPs could stop wasting our money on duck houses too. But still we get an awful lot for our EU membership fee and as we are seeing on a daily basis, we are going to have to spend quite a bit to replace what we are losing access to.
-Matt"Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything. | |||
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" Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything. "Countries pay proportional to the size of their GDP Irony being that the UK paid less last year due to the drop in GDP because of the brexit vote and the weakening of the pound... and because of the slow economy we get more back in project subsidies Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! | |||
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"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal?" That kind of logic that gave us the poll tax | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal?" you must find shopping very confusing ! | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal?you must find shopping very confusing !" Just like you find referendum votes confusing! | |||
" Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything.
Countries pay proportional to the size of their GDP
Irony being that the UK paid less last year due to the drop in GDP because of the brexit vote and the weakening of the pound... and because of the slow economy we get more back in project subsidies
Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! "no none of us do any good _abio we are all dumb arses that’s why you talk down to us like this | |||
" Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything.
Countries pay proportional to the size of their GDP
Irony being that the UK paid less last year due to the drop in GDP because of the brexit vote and the weakening of the pound... and because of the slow economy we get more back in project subsidies
Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! no none of us do any good _abio we are all dumb arses that’s why you talk down to us like this "Yes you need a Phd to deliver pizzas part time! Lo. | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal?" You think that's all the eu dose is collect money from wealthy country's and redistribute it , How about trade deals the uk have as part of the eu , deals they won't get equal to when they try do those deals as a single country ??? | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal?you must find shopping very confusing ! Just like you find referendum votes confusing! "its true I do. From where I stand we’re not staying in the Eu. So by the fact it was a simple binary question we must be leaving. Yet the leavers are angry. Especially at a group of elected MPs who are acting within the rules of sovereignty they have been elected into. | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal? You think that's all the eu dose is collect money from wealthy country's and redistribute it , How about trade deals the uk have as part of the eu , deals they won't get equal to when they try do those deals as a single country ??? " even if they did this, it’s how the uk tax system works .... | |||
" Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything.
Countries pay proportional to the size of their GDP
Irony being that the UK paid less last year due to the drop in GDP because of the brexit vote and the weakening of the pound... and because of the slow economy we get more back in project subsidies
Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! ". No matter how you state it, the UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. It is totally wrong that so many countries are net beneficiaries . I prefer to pay my way in life . We would hardly have voted to leave if the electorate thought it was good value for money. | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal? You think that's all the eu dose is collect money from wealthy country's and redistribute it , How about trade deals the uk have as part of the eu , deals they won't get equal to when they try do those deals as a single country ??? even if they did this, it’s how the uk tax system works .... " How do you mean " it's how the tax system works " ? | |||
" Although it's substantially better value for money for those countries that don't pay anything.
Countries pay proportional to the size of their GDP
Irony being that the UK paid less last year due to the drop in GDP because of the brexit vote and the weakening of the pound... and because of the slow economy we get more back in project subsidies
Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! . No matter how you state it, the UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. It is totally wrong that so many countries are net beneficiaries . I prefer to pay my way in life . We would hardly have voted to leave if the electorate thought it was good value for money. "Yes, but as we discover day after day, the electorate had no idea what their money got them. Regardless of whose fault that was in conveying that message, it is the fact. So to say "Well the electorate thought it wasn't good value for money so voted to leave" then they find out "Oh, we got that too did we?" "Oh, and that?" "Oh can we keep that bit when we leave too, we didn't realise that was a part of it"... hardly makes a case for saying it was a sound decision. -Matt | |||
" Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! . No matter how you state it, the UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. It is totally wrong that so many countries are net beneficiaries . I prefer to pay my way in life . We would hardly have voted to leave if the electorate thought it was good value for money. "The UK fought a Cold War to give the people of eastern Europe their freedom. They chose to join with us in the EU. Now, those countries were relatively impoverished compared to the western members. The European Regional Development Fund is designed to assist the least well off areas. Parts of the EU where GDP is below 75 per cent of the EU average. Prior to the accession states joining the EU, parts of Britain qualified for this assistance - Cornwall, Highlands and Islands, part of Wales. The eastern european states lowered the average and meant these areas were no longer eligible. A lot of EDRF funding is prioritised towards those areas to try and bring them nearer the EU average. A lot also goes towards decommissioning ex-Soviet nuclear reactors, on the basis that accidents like the one at Chernobyl do not respect the borders that exist in the minds of humans. This country spent a huge amount of treasure freeing the people of Eastern Europe from the tyranny of totalitarianism. They've chosen democracy, and I have absolutely no problem helping them establish their democracies through investment in infrastructure to make them prosper in the market. | |||
"These remainders clutching at straws I tell you what you send me money and I will give half of it back to you.Sound like a good deal? You think that's all the eu dose is collect money from wealthy country's and redistribute it , How about trade deals the uk have as part of the eu , deals they won't get equal to when they try do those deals as a single country ??? even if they did this, it’s how the uk tax system works .... How do you mean " it's how the tax system works " ? " Bad quoting. Was aimed at the wealth distribution comment. | |||
" Who knew leavers actually did any good eh!!! . No matter how you state it, the UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. It is totally wrong that so many countries are net beneficiaries . I prefer to pay my way in life . We would hardly have voted to leave if the electorate thought it was good value for money.
The UK fought a Cold War to give the people of eastern Europe their freedom.
They chose to join with us in the EU.
Now, those countries were relatively impoverished compared to the western members.
The European Regional Development Fund is designed to assist the least well off areas.
Parts of the EU where GDP is below 75 per cent of the EU average.
Prior to the accession states joining the EU, parts of Britain qualified for this assistance - Cornwall, Highlands and Islands, part of Wales.
The eastern european states lowered the average and meant these areas were no longer eligible.
A lot of EDRF funding is prioritised towards those areas to try and bring them nearer the EU average.
A lot also goes towards decommissioning ex-Soviet nuclear reactors, on the basis that accidents like the one at Chernobyl do not respect the borders that exist in the minds of humans.
This country spent a huge amount of treasure freeing the people of Eastern Europe from the tyranny of totalitarianism.
They've chosen democracy, and I have absolutely no problem helping them establish their democracies through investment in infrastructure to make them prosper in the market.
"Pity the EU is taking away their democracy now then. Just a couple of weeks ago the European Parliament voted to trigger article 7 against Hungary. Otherwise known as 'the nuclear option' article 7 is when the EU sanctions it's own members states, and the EU will now be taking away Hungary's voting rights in the European Parliament. The Eastern European block countries like Poland and Hungary are increasingly seeing the EU institutions in Brussels as a totalitarian regime, which they strived so long to free themselves from under the grip of the USSR. Also ask the Irish or the Danish or the French or the Dutch about how they were told to go vote again when they voted against the EU in the past. The EU never listens to democratic votes. The EU is an enemy of democracy and doesn't understand the meaning of the word. | |||
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"Membership of the EU requires members to adhere to some pretty fundamental concepts of democracy. Abandon those democratic norms and you jeopardise your membership, as Poland (and now you say Hungary) is discovering. One of the fundamental principles is separation of the state and judiciary. Poland just abandoned that, hence it is being held to be in breach of the conditions of membership. It is a bulwark against a return to totalitarianism in Europe. Abandoning democractic norms and you cannot be in the EU, basically. " In that case then Hungary and Poland may soon join the UK in leaving the corrupt EU (before you say it's not corrupt even the EU's own watchdog has confirmed it is). The EU's actions will only fuel already growing euroscepticism in those countries. | |||
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"think it is interesting that only centy... and the UK conservative party... at the only people who are siding with the far right leader Viktor Orban.... if the conservatives are the odd party out in the entire political spectrum of europe.... that says something!!!!! "Get an eye test down the opticians _abio, you seem to be having trouble reading the thread. Poland has also aligned itself with Hungary. | |||
"And when they start rounding up gypsies, Jews and muslims, I'm sure that'll be the fault of the EU, too! " Nah, if there is any rounding up of Jews, it'll probably be down to Corbyn's Labour party! | |||
"And when they start rounding up gypsies, Jews and muslims, I'm sure that'll be the fault of the EU, too! Nah, if there is any rounding up of Jews, it'll probably be down to Corbyn's Labour party!" Some real nut jobs out there who really think it would be possible to victimise Jewish people in this day and age. In some European nations just saying bad things about them can get you locked up. In the rest the chances are that MOSSAD would snuff out anyone or anything it considered a threat. I wonder how big a dossier they have on good old comrade Corbyn... | |||
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"Membership of the EU requires members to adhere to some pretty fundamental concepts of democracy. Abandon those democratic norms and you jeopardise your membership, as Poland (and now you say Hungary) is discovering. One of the fundamental principles is separation of the state and judiciary. Poland just abandoned that, hence it is being held to be in breach of the conditions of membership. It is a bulwark against a return to totalitarianism in Europe. Abandoning democractic norms and you cannot be in the EU, basically. " “The European Commission maintains that the Polish law on the Supreme Court is incompatible with EU law as it undermines the principle of judicial independence, including the irremovability of judges,” The Polish government isn’t ‘selectively’ eliminating judges, they simply changed the retirement age and lowered it by five years. Judges will continue to be nominated according to the same process that has been used for decades. Why is the European Commission targeting Poland whilst turning a blind eye to what is happening in Bulgaria? In May 2018 the president of Bulgaria's supreme court, the highest-ranking judge in the country, gave a speech in which he said that he and his family were being harassed because he refused to comply with political orders. He lamented that there was no separation of powers. An Austrian journalist confronted the EU justice commissioner Vera Jourova on the matter at a press conference. Jourova said this was "a new thing" for her. This could have been convincing had the judge not been subjected to abuse since 2014. It is strange that the EU Commission has failed to take note of such irregularities for four years despite its CVM (Cooperation and Verification Mechanism). A CVM is a safeguard measure invoked by the European Commission when a new member or acceding state of the European Union has failed to implement commitments undertaken in the context of the accession negotiations in the fields of the Area of freedom, security and justice. Despite all this the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, has said that Bulgaria is a "success story," which can inspire others. Are you feeling inspired after reading this? I'm not! | |||
"think it is interesting that only centy... and the UK conservative party... at the only people who are siding with the far right leader Viktor Orban.... if the conservatives are the odd party out in the entire political spectrum of europe.... that says something!!!!!
Get an eye test down the opticians _abio, you seem to be having trouble reading the thread. Poland has also aligned itself with Hungary. "you aligned yourself with someone who persecutes jewish people, who persecutes the LGBTQ community, who made it illegal to help refugees in any way possible, who taxes charities who are involved in helping refugees.... who Curtailed the freedom of the press who curtailed the Freedom of his opponents.... and yey... you point to poland, of which even polands political parties didn't vote against so... yeah, as per usual, it does say a lot about you and your beliefs.... | |||
"think it is interesting that only centy... and the UK conservative party... at the only people who are siding with the far right leader Viktor Orban.... if the conservatives are the odd party out in the entire political spectrum of europe.... that says something!!!!!
Get an eye test down the opticians _abio, you seem to be having trouble reading the thread. Poland has also aligned itself with Hungary.
you aligned yourself with someone who persecutes jewish people,
who persecutes the LGBTQ community,
who made it illegal to help refugees in any way possible,
who taxes charities who are involved in helping refugees....
who Curtailed the freedom of the press
who curtailed the Freedom of his opponents....
and yey... you point to poland, of which even polands political parties didn't vote against
so... yeah, as per usual, it does say a lot about you and your beliefs....
"And that's where brexit has led us. Our only friends in Europe are far right bigots. Makes you proud to be British... | |||
"And when they start rounding up gypsies, Jews and muslims, I'm sure that'll be the fault of the EU, too! Nah, if there is any rounding up of Jews, it'll probably be down to Corbyn's Labour party!" Why? What have they got against Jews? -Matt | |||
"think it is interesting that only centy... and the UK conservative party... at the only people who are siding with the far right leader Viktor Orban.... if the conservatives are the odd party out in the entire political spectrum of europe.... that says something!!!!!
Get an eye test down the opticians _abio, you seem to be having trouble reading the thread. Poland has also aligned itself with Hungary.
you aligned yourself with someone who persecutes jewish people,
who persecutes the LGBTQ community,
who made it illegal to help refugees in any way possible,
who taxes charities who are involved in helping refugees....
who Curtailed the freedom of the press
who curtailed the Freedom of his opponents....
and yey... you point to poland, of which even polands political parties didn't vote against
so... yeah, as per usual, it does say a lot about you and your beliefs....
"And you support the European Commission who are doing nothing to tackle corruption and intimidation in Bulgaria. Instead Boyko Borissov, the Bulgarian leader, is feted by the EU hierarchy and the country is presented as a European success story! | |||
"think it is interesting that only centy... and the UK conservative party... at the only people who are siding with the far right leader Viktor Orban.... if the conservatives are the odd party out in the entire political spectrum of europe.... that says something!!!!!
Get an eye test down the opticians _abio, you seem to be having trouble reading the thread. Poland has also aligned itself with Hungary.
you aligned yourself with someone who persecutes jewish people,
who persecutes the LGBTQ community,
who made it illegal to help refugees in any way possible,
who taxes charities who are involved in helping refugees....
who Curtailed the freedom of the press
who curtailed the Freedom of his opponents....
and yey... you point to poland, of which even polands political parties didn't vote against
so... yeah, as per usual, it does say a lot about you and your beliefs....
"It's a bit rich of an EU supporter like you to talk about the freedom of the press, when the EU's justice commissioner Vera Jourova wants new regulations on the media as punishment for reporting the EU's failings. It appears she doesn't like the negative press the EU gets in British newspapers, and now wants new regulations to subdue legitimate reporting of the news on the EU's failings. British MEP Amjad Bashir responded to her comments by saying "EU commissioners should not be trying to shackle the press". | |||
". In some European nations just saying bad things about them can get you locked up. In the rest the chances are that MOSSAD would snuff out anyone or anything it considered a threat. I wonder how big a dossier they have on good old comrade Corbyn..." Poland recently passed a law making it a criminal offence to assert the authorities in Poland played any part in the holocaust. Why would a Government of the far right, in a country where genocide took place, do something like that? | |||
