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Russia is starting a war with ukraine.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Russia and the Ukraine have been on the verge of war for ages. This boat crash thing is just another story in a long line of stories.
Why? Vlad is a nutter...that would be my guess. |
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Mr Putin sees the Ukraine as part of Russia and would like to bring it back into the fold. Many Ukrainians remember Soviet occupation none too fondly so are prepared to put up a fight.
Everyone seems to make out the Russian army is invincible but they were fought to a standstill and took heavy casualties in the Ukraine a few years back, which has caused problems back home as publicly Putin was denying that Russian troops were operating in the Ukraine, but a steady stream of body bags were going back and their families wanted to know why. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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I have been to Ukraine twice.
Once in 2012 and again in 2013 just before the war started. Kiev was ok in 2012 but you definitely knew there was issues in 2013. I also was in Donetsk in 2012; this city is not far from the border and a lot of the residents still speak Russian, that was interesting |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My tenner is on Putin and his boys, when his popularity drops he starts a war. The Russians love it, and no the Russian army isn’t invulnerable, most of its actually pretty shoddy, but they do do a good line in invasions and have massive numbers  |
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The Ukrainians have geography in their favour, the only truly scary part of Putins military is his nuclear and chemical stockpile but he's not going to drop that on a country he wants to occupy and right on his own borders. That's not to say he wouldn't turn any other NATO countries who get involved into glass car parks though...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is a nasty fault line, that could well become a front line. The EU has been poking the Bear for ages wooing Ukraine. If it's not this skirmish it will be another one. |
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So the Russian army isn’t up to much ?
Mmmm.... I wouldn’t bet on that being the case if an all out war took place .
The previous encounter over Crimeria was a just a bit of a scuffle in reality . Mind you the Serbs are a nasty bunch too , so it could be interesting . |
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According to western media - it's all Putin's fault, no matter what every time all the time... I'm fluent in Russian and watching news in english and russian...
Totally different stories from them two sides... Someone is lying... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I doubt it very much if there will be a war. I imagine things happen all the time between the two country's but as the news are trying to take as much media attention away from May and her disaster of a Brexit deal |
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"So the Russian army isn’t up to much ?
Mmmm.... I wouldn’t bet on that being the case if an all out war took place."
Not especially, they have numbers but most of them are badly paid and badly treated conscripts barring some elite units. They like to show off their new shiny tanks and aircraft in parades but in reality they can't afford them in any great number so the vast majority of their kit is obsolete cold war stuff from the 70's and 80's. Their navy is mostly rotting in forgotten shipyards and that ancient aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" that went chugging past the UK last year on it's way to Syria is the only operational one they have.
They could do a lot of damage without question, but I'm confident a determined NATO counter attack would stop them if nuclear weapons were kept out of it. |
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"According to western media - it's all Putin's fault, no matter what every time all the time... I'm fluent in Russian and watching news in english and russian..."
Ain't that the truth. Ask yourself why the constant anti Russian propaganda?
But then most are just happy to believe the crap they are fed by the western propaganda machine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So the Russian army isn’t up to much ?
Mmmm.... I wouldn’t bet on that being the case if an all out war took place .
The previous encounter over Crimeria was a just a bit of a scuffle in reality . Mind you the Serbs are a nasty bunch too , so it could be interesting ."
It also needs saying most NATO forces ain’t all that.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's what happens when the EU gets greedy. Tries to include countries on Russia's boarders while talking about an EU army. "
Exactly. It's a little bit like a firm of accountants going into a Mafia controlled business and suggesting that they could just slip on a (metaphorical) condom for protection and come and do some much nicer friendly business with the accountants other friends. |
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Where is the evidence that ‘UN’ troops are getting involved?
Seeing as russia is one of the 5 permanent members of the security council needed to back action it seems unlikely they’d vote for a war against themselves |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to western media - it's all Putin's fault, no matter what every time all the time... I'm fluent in Russian and watching news in english and russian...
Totally different stories from them two sides... Someone is lying..."
They are all lying.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Russia is a "subversive" enemy.
The ukranians voted to be part of the eu in 2014.
I respect Estonia and Ukraine more than Russia. Estonia and Ukraine are our friends and Russia is the enemy.
Russia won't do anything directly vs uk because uk has nukes.
This country and the EU should support Ukraine.
Not appease the Russians. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Russia is a "subversive" enemy.
The ukranians voted to be part of the eu in 2014.
I respect Estonia and Ukraine more than Russia. Estonia and Ukraine are our friends and Russia is the enemy.
Russia won't do anything directly vs uk because uk has nukes.
This country and the EU should support Ukraine.
Not appease the Russians."
Why? Didn’t see Ukraine footing any of our mlitary bills? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Russia has made a "subversive" chemical attack on uk already..
They are not to be trusted.
They are just a bunch of mafia who get d*unk and do sexual assaults (Berlin 1945).
They are a lesser culture. They aren't as civilized as Britain.
Nobody in eastern europe wants the Russians taking over again.
The people who support Russia in that region are ethnic Russians or working for the Russians.
These are nations who struggled for indipendence from Russia. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Russia has made a "subversive" chemical attack on uk already..
They are not to be trusted.
They are just a bunch of mafia who get d*unk and do sexual assaults (Berlin 1945).
They are a lesser culture. They aren't as civilized as Britain.
Nobody in eastern europe wants the Russians taking over again.
The people who support Russia in that region are ethnic Russians or working for the Russians.
These are nations who struggled for indipendence from Russia."
I’m remembering your post about that homeless girl  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m remembering your post about that homeless girl "
What about her?
She was probably abused by a Pakistani grooming gang as a teen. (Wouldn't suprise me)
You've all been denying that and victim blameing for the last 40 years. (And on fab today)
She asks me for help but I should have sent her to one of the white knights on fab...
My heart hasn't got room. I needed to get to specksavers for my contact lenses. Not rescuing women. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m remembering your post about that homeless girl
What about her?
She was probably abused by a Pakistani grooming gang as a teen. (Wouldn't suprise me)
You've all been denying that and victim blameing for the last 40 years. (And on fab today)
She asks me for help but I should have sent her to one of the white knights on fab...
My heart hasn't got room. I needed to get to specksavers for my contact lenses. Not rescuing women."
MOD! Where’s a MOD when one is required? I’m not talking about someone in a parka either |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Russia has made a "subversive" chemical attack on uk already..
They are not to be trusted.
They are just a bunch of mafia who get d*unk and do sexual assaults (Berlin 1945).
They are a lesser culture. They aren't as civilized as Britain.
Nobody in eastern europe wants the Russians taking over again.
The people who support Russia in that region are ethnic Russians or working for the Russians.
These are nations who struggled for indipendence from Russia."
Can't wait for the next McMafia series. Whilst I wouldn't condemn the entire population, I did pic up a modest anecdote this week at the local Spa, opposite a bus shelter at 10 am a family Man Woman two teenage children, all drinking cans of lager, I said to the guy in the shop "they started early" reply "they have been there for 1 and a half hours and that's the forth round so far, Russians, there are a few families on that estate and they drink larger all day long |
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As per normal we should not get involved, we always seem to jump on the band wagon, which is probably why most people don’t like the British
It is up to others to sort this issue, we have enough on our plate with Theresa May and the Brexit ( hate that word) agenda..
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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really there starting a war? looks like they have seized a cpl of boats and some sailors.amd theres been shit going on out there for 3 or 4 years nothing new.at end of the day half the country wants to be closer to the russians so not really fuck all to do with anyone else |
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"really there starting a war? looks like they have seized a cpl of boats and some sailors.amd theres been shit going on out there for 3 or 4 years nothing new.at end of the day half the country wants to be closer to the russians so not really fuck all to do with anyone else"
Really?
I think you need to read a little 1920's, 30's and 40's history as it relates to Germany, its annexing parts of Europe and the final result of their pacification by those who claimed it had nothing to do with them and how that worked out for the whole world. Then note how history repeats its self. Finally apply the above to Russia today and its aggressiveness towards most the rest of the world.
You may gain a little foresight, then again you may choose to repeat history and refuse to acknowledge the growing threat to our ever so fragile world peace. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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are we talking about crimea? i thought that belonged to them until recentley anyway just taking back something thar was theres a while back.and i hope to fuck we dont poke our noses in.hasnt worked out to well over the last decade or so when we start interfering in other peoples shit.but im guessing your the sort of person who thinks we should help everyine even if its bad for us but hey ho.i dont live in eukraine so i dont really care |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just look at history on how world war starts.
WW1 Austrian crown Prince murdered by a Serb in Sarajevo.
WW2 Hitler annexes Austria - because they both speak German, then sees how many other countries he can take over before somebody stands up to them.
Russia takes Crimea, and then another part of Ukraine - got away with it - pattern forming. The Russians tools a pasting in Afghanistan and so did the Brits (twice) and the Americans. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just look at history on how world war starts.
WW1 Austrian crown Prince murdered by a Serb in Sarajevo.
WW2 Hitler annexes Austria - because they both speak German, then sees how many other countries he can take over before somebody stands up to them.
Russia takes Crimea, and then another part of Ukraine - got away with it - pattern forming. The Russians tools a pasting in Afghanistan and so did the Brits (twice) and the Americans. "
*took* not tools |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"really there starting a war? looks like they have seized a cpl of boats and some sailors.amd theres been shit going on out there for 3 or 4 years nothing new.at end of the day half the country wants to be closer to the russians so not really fuck all to do with anyone else
Really?
I think you need to read a little 1920's, 30's and 40's history as it relates to Germany, its annexing parts of Europe and the final result of their pacification by those who claimed it had nothing to do with them and how that worked out for the whole world. Then note how history repeats its self. Finally apply the above to Russia today and its aggressiveness towards most the rest of the world.
You may gain a little foresight, then again you may choose to repeat history and refuse to acknowledge the growing threat to our ever so fragile world peace."
I am with you on this, but as always damned if you do damned if you don't. It is very scary,but can you see our crop of political leaders,inc all the Euro ones doing anything other than tokenism. You would have to go to Parliament every time a tank moved an inch and have a Referendum before they fired a shot.
I genuinely think that if Russia really had the capability they would roll all the way back to Chekoslavakia ( sorry spelling police) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"really there starting a war? looks like they have seized a cpl of boats and some sailors.amd theres been shit going on out there for 3 or 4 years nothing new.at end of the day half the country wants to be closer to the russians so not really fuck all to do with anyone else
Really?
I think you need to read a little 1920's, 30's and 40's history as it relates to Germany, its annexing parts of Europe and the final result of their pacification by those who claimed it had nothing to do with them and how that worked out for the whole world. Then note how history repeats its self. Finally apply the above to Russia today and its aggressiveness towards most the rest of the world.
You may gain a little foresight, then again you may choose to repeat history and refuse to acknowledge the growing threat to our ever so fragile world peace.
I am with you on this, but as always damned if you do damned if you don't. It is very scary,but can you see our crop of political leaders,inc all the Euro ones doing anything other than tokenism. You would have to go to Parliament every time a tank moved an inch and have a Referendum before they fired a shot.
I genuinely think that if Russia really had the capability they would roll all the way back to Chekoslavakia ( sorry spelling police)"
Doesn't exist anymore!
Czech Republic & Slovakia - come keep up with the times! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"really there starting a war? looks like they have seized a cpl of boats and some sailors.amd theres been shit going on out there for 3 or 4 years nothing new.at end of the day half the country wants to be closer to the russians so not really fuck all to do with anyone else
Really?
I think you need to read a little 1920's, 30's and 40's history as it relates to Germany, its annexing parts of Europe and the final result of their pacification by those who claimed it had nothing to do with them and how that worked out for the whole world. Then note how history repeats its self. Finally apply the above to Russia today and its aggressiveness towards most the rest of the world.
You may gain a little foresight, then again you may choose to repeat history and refuse to acknowledge the growing threat to our ever so fragile world peace.
I am with you on this, but as always damned if you do damned if you don't. It is very scary,but can you see our crop of political leaders,inc all the Euro ones doing anything other than tokenism. You would have to go to Parliament every time a tank moved an inch and have a Referendum before they fired a shot.
I genuinely think that if Russia really had the capability they would roll all the way back to Chekoslavakia ( sorry spelling police)
Doesn't exist anymore!
Czech Republic & Slovakia - come keep up with the times!"
I do know that!!! It's not wiki I am updating |
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"Imagine Russia was the UK, and Crimea was the Falklands. Would it still be Russia starting the war?"
Imagine Russia was UK and Crimea was Ireland. A far closer and more accurate analogy. And yes, if UK invaded Ireland to take back control we would be in the wrong, as is Russia.
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The only thing that disgusts a libtard is a lack of war because their brain is dysfunctional and cannot see the disgust of war itself.
Luckily it's not a contagious pathogen but a genetic mental illness they have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The only thing that disgusts a libtard is a lack of war because their brain is dysfunctional and cannot see the disgust of war itself.
Luckily it's not a contagious pathogen but a genetic mental illness they have."
Not sure I get you on this!! A Libtard is a left leaning person? So Corbyn is a Libtard? Anything but war absolute last resort the ultimate go the extra mile |
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"The only thing that disgusts a libtard is a lack of war because their brain is dysfunctional and cannot see the disgust of war itself.
Luckily it's not a contagious pathogen but a genetic mental illness they have.
Not sure I get you on this!! A Libtard is a left leaning person? So Corbyn is a Libtard? Anything but war absolute last resort the ultimate go the extra mile"
Corbyn the libtard warmonger..
Some people must start drinking early..  |
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"The only thing that disgusts a libtard is a lack of war because their brain is dysfunctional and cannot see the disgust of war itself.
Luckily it's not a contagious pathogen but a genetic mental illness they have.
Not sure I get you on this!! A Libtard is a left leaning person? So Corbyn is a Libtard? Anything but war absolute last resort the ultimate go the extra mile
Corbyn the libtard warmonger..
Some people must start drinking early.. "
Confusing isn't it? Maybe there is some reverse psychology going on |
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"The only thing that disgusts a libtard is a lack of war because their brain is dysfunctional and cannot see the disgust of war itself.
Luckily it's not a contagious pathogen but a genetic mental illness they have.
Not sure I get you on this!! A Libtard is a left leaning person? So Corbyn is a Libtard? Anything but war absolute last resort the ultimate go the extra mile
Corbyn the libtard warmonger..
Some people must start drinking early..
Confusing isn't it? Maybe there is some reverse psychology going on "
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Maybe it is contagious after all!. |
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"It's what happens when the EU gets greedy. Tries to include countries on Russia's boarders while talking about an EU army. "
Vlad didn't throw his weight about when the Baltic states joined, plenty of ethnic Russians there too if he a fig leaf. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Russia has made a "subversive" chemical attack on uk already..
They are not to be trusted.
They are just a bunch of mafia who get d*unk and do sexual assaults (Berlin 1945).
They are a lesser culture. They aren't as civilized as Britain.
Nobody in eastern europe wants the Russians taking over again.
The people who support Russia in that region are ethnic Russians or working for the Russians.
These are nations who struggled for indipendence from Russia."
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A lesser culture 
You talk some shite |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to western media - it's all Putin's fault, no matter what every time all the time... I'm fluent in Russian and watching news in english and russian...
Totally different stories from them two sides... Someone is lying..."
This.
Putin isn’t all bad. He’s a very good leader. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is a nasty fault line, that could well become a front line. The EU has been poking the Bear for ages wooing Ukraine. If it's not this skirmish it will be another one. "
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