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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Continue here, did you also watch question time yesterday? It was good and democracy will be tested as they wont get a good deal. UK will be more and more divided and austerity will increase as the economy will be hit hard, whats your view? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
No, I just think the politicians cannot face up to the mess they have created.
Their choice now is between Mrs May's exit or an unplanned exit.
They like neither, so they are desperately seeking ways to avoid having to make any decision they might be held responsible for.
I am getting more and more pissed off by them.
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"It's all about the Legalities now. Looking for compromise, a way through, a way out.
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Given the numbers are reported to be that those politicians who crave a no deal is very much in the minority and the shit storm predicted if that happens I think come the vote being lost by May on the 11th then there will be a reality check so tend to agree..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The labour politicians are particularly smarmy and smug. They think the game is up and an election is in the offing. Trouble is their stance means 1000s of jobs are at risk just so they can get a chance for us to enjoy their socialist utopia. I think they will get a good kick at the ballot box too so their smarmy, smugness is ill founded.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, I just think the politicians cannot face up to the mess they have created.
Their choice now is between Mrs May's exit or an unplanned exit.
They like neither, so they are desperately seeking ways to avoid having to make any decision they might be held responsible for.
I am getting more and more pissed off by them.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The labour politicians are particularly smarmy and smug. They think the game is up and an election is in the offing. Trouble is their stance means 1000s of jobs are at risk just so they can get a chance for us to enjoy their socialist utopia. I think they will get a good kick at the ballot box too so their smarmy, smugness is ill founded.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
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That is right and uk have never had it so good until they joined the eu. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"In the interests of fair-play I wish to make clear that the protestors who assailed my children and nanny are members of the anarchist fringe-group Class War. They are not in any way allied to Jeremy Corbyn or Momentum, or the left in general. I always play the ball not the man."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, Sep 2018
"Mark Carney is a second-tier Canadian politician who failed to get on in Canadian politics and then got a job in the UK. I don't think he's greatly respected."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, December 2018
Always playing the ball, not the man, eh?
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"The labour politicians are particularly smarmy and smug. They think the game is up and an election is in the offing. Trouble is their stance means 1000s of jobs are at risk just so they can get a chance for us to enjoy their socialist utopia. I think they will get a good kick at the ballot box too so their smarmy, smugness is ill founded.
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Trying to blame the Labour Party for this shit storm won't wash. The Tories are 100% responsible for this, theyre the elected government, they need to sort it out or step aside. |
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""In the interests of fair-play I wish to make clear that the protestors who assailed my children and nanny are members of the anarchist fringe-group Class War. They are not in any way allied to Jeremy Corbyn or Momentum, or the left in general. I always play the ball not the man."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, Sep 2018
"Mark Carney is a second-tier Canadian politician who failed to get on in Canadian politics and then got a job in the UK. I don't think he's greatly respected."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, December 2018
Always playing the ball, not the man, eh?
W@nker"
Ironic from a man who clearly can't count to 48 |
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"The labour politicians are particularly smarmy and smug. They think the game is up and an election is in the offing. Trouble is their stance means 1000s of jobs are at risk just so they can get a chance for us to enjoy their socialist utopia. I think they will get a good kick at the ballot box too so their smarmy, smugness is ill founded.
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I'm not a Labour supporter and definitely no Corbyn fan. I'm sure Labour will pay an electoral price for its dilly dallying over BREXIT but, however much some may try to spin this, the Conservative's are in Government, they brought forward the referendum, they've been negotiating the deal, they are the ones that laid the foundations for this mess. What ever happens the Conservatives will pay a very high price at the ballot box for the totaly incompetent way this whole BREXIT project has been managed. The only thing the Conservatives have ever really had going in their favour was that they put economic pragmatism before dogmatic ideology; BREXIT throws that totally out of the window.
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By (user no longer on site)
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""In the interests of fair-play I wish to make clear that the protestors who assailed my children and nanny are members of the anarchist fringe-group Class War. They are not in any way allied to Jeremy Corbyn or Momentum, or the left in general. I always play the ball not the man."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, Sep 2018
"Mark Carney is a second-tier Canadian politician who failed to get on in Canadian politics and then got a job in the UK. I don't think he's greatly respected."
- Jacob Rees Mogg, December 2018
Always playing the ball, not the man, eh?
W@nker
Ironic from a man who clearly can't count to 48"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
That is right and uk have never had it so good until they joined the eu."
Looking at your profile you are 36 years old how would you know to make that statement the 60s were very prosperous. |
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You can bet that if no deal is done 20 odd eu countries will see it as a great chance to trade with the UK without restrictions....a free for all that will put the cat amongst the pigeons in the great eu state ... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
That is right and uk have never had it so good until they joined the eu.Looking at your profile you are 36 years old how would you know to make that statement the 60s were very prosperous. "
Because I can, they got it better. |
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"Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
That is right and uk have never had it so good until they joined the eu.Looking at your profile you are 36 years old how would you know to make that statement the 60s were very prosperous. Because I can, they got it better."
So Britain was better of outside of the EEC in the 60's in your opinion Shag? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait."
The truly worrying thing is that you probably believe everything that you have written. Not because it is based on any kind of evidence or suggestion that it may happen based on likelihood and/or probability, but just because it is what you think should happen.
It is the very worst of times when people refuse to think multi-dimensionally and are unable take on board complex issues, preferring instead to create their own fantasy bubble of truly simplistic solutions.
I suggest that you try to understand what you yourself mean by “EU trading restrictions” and how getting rid of these so called restrictions will benefit the U.K. in any way. |
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"More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait."
So, some random bloke on Fab know more about the impact of a no deal Brexit than civil servants, MPs, the BoE? Do me a favour.... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"You can bet that if no deal is done 20 odd eu countries will see it as a great chance to trade with the UK without restrictions....a free for all that will put the cat amongst the pigeons in the great eu state ..."
Just because it was you want to happen, does not mean that it will.
Your desire to see the EU fail and for every individual country to take on its own Nationalist driven Government will fortunately never happen. Unlike British fantasists whose lack of historical context limit their ability to understand European issues, Continental countries can remember all too well what happens when self-centred Nationalist Governments start to wind up their own citizens.
A failed EU and/or a failing Euro will sent the entire world into a recession, the likes of which has never been seen in our lifetime. The protectionist strategies that would have to be adopted in the aftermath would inevitably lead to conflicts emerging once again. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I love this idea of the UK leaving the EU without settling its bill, leaving a black hole in the finances that 27 other countries have to fill by digging deeper in their own pockets.
And then those same 27 countries being so pleased to have settled our bill that they are queuing up to buy from the UK.
Project Fantasy.
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The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
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"I love this idea of the UK leaving the EU without settling its bill, leaving a black hole in the finances that 27 other countries have to fill by digging deeper in their own pockets.
And then those same 27 countries being so pleased to have settled our bill that they are queuing up to buy from the UK.
Project Fantasy.
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Like the tight arse on a night out who leaves when it's their round, be a while till they are invited again.. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Blimey...the whole world into recession...u must try and scare some more people or yaself ....i am a positive person and see it as a great opportunity to make even more money ....happy days"
You appear to have little understanding of how interconnected the world really is. I understand this, because I have seen it before when people create a fantasy bubble they they choose to exist in and then block out all other inconveniences. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
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1. You don't HAVE to do it. As I predicted all along, it's looking more likely that Brexit will be cancelled as people start to see the light.
2. Your kids could be living in hell as a sovereign government erodes their rights with impunity....look at the various ways that May has eroded internet privacy as one example ("protection" = control) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
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I could not give a shit about the rest of the world ..let them sort there own problems out ...i look after my own and the world would be a better place if others done the same...not expect handouts or help from others without helping themselves ..too many do gooders in this world ....oh let's not buy a plastic bag or use a straw and save the planet ...what crap |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I could not give a shit about the rest of the world ..let them sort there own problems out ...i look after my own and the world would be a better place if others done the same...not expect handouts or help from others without helping themselves ..too many do gooders in this world ....oh let's not buy a plastic bag or use a straw and save the planet ...what crap"
Yeah fuck the rest of the world.Who needs them.Lets fill the oceans with plastic while we are at it.We don't need oceans..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I could not give a shit about the rest of the world ..let them sort there own problems out ...i look after my own and the world would be a better place if others done the same...not expect handouts or help from others without helping themselves ..too many do gooders in this world ....oh let's not buy a plastic bag or use a straw and save the planet ...what crap
Yeah fuck the rest of the world.Who needs them.Lets fill the oceans with plastic while we are at it.We don't need oceans.. "
1/2 of all the plastic ever produced was made in the last 10 years for single use packaging. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't remember anyone campaigning for a return to the deprivation of World War Two. Did I miss something? Nothing like that was on my ballot paper."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is Brexit a threat or an opportunity?
Both.
Unfortunately, it appears to be in danger of becoming a right-wing coup.
The destruction of industry, the destruction of agriculture, the destruction of employment protection . . . . the slash-and-burn approach to economic restructuring to create an off-shore sweatshop where a few entrepreneurs prosper and millions suffer.
That is where those arguing for a No Deal want to take us, knowingly or not.
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Vivid imagination,lets face it nobody knows what is going to happen it is more frightening than interesting |
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"I could not give a shit about the rest of the world ..let them sort there own problems out ...i look after my own and the world would be a better place if others done the same...not expect handouts or help from others without helping themselves ..too many do gooders in this world ....oh let's not buy a plastic bag or use a straw and save the planet ...what crap"
The trouble with selfish shitty attitudes is that when you spout them enough people pick up on it and come the day you need help it gets remembered..
Why would anyone not want to at least try to limit or even reverse the damage we have done and are doing to the same environment that their own offspring will have to live in..?
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
1. You don't HAVE to do it. As I predicted all along, it's looking more likely that Brexit will be cancelled as people start to see the light.
2. Your kids could be living in hell as a sovereign government erodes their rights with impunity....look at the various ways that May has eroded internet privacy as one example ("protection" = control)"
If it is cancelled it will be because of a lack of concencus and the failure of democracy,nothing to do with people seeing your biased light.
If delayed no problem but if cancelled then this country will become a bitter place so devided and it is the beginning of the end of democracy caused by remainers destroying us. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I love this idea of the UK leaving the EU without settling its bill, leaving a black hole in the finances that 27 other countries have to fill by digging deeper in their own pockets.
And then those same 27 countries being so pleased to have settled our bill that they are queuing up to buy from the UK.
Project Fantasy.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I could not give a shit about the rest of the world ..let them sort there own problems out ...i look after my own and the world would be a better place if others done the same...not expect handouts or help from others without helping themselves ..too many do gooders in this world ....oh let's not buy a plastic bag or use a straw and save the planet ...what crap"
Maybe you’ve already ingested too much plastic  |
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"More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait.
So, some random bloke on Fab know more about the impact of a no deal Brexit than civil servants, MPs, the BoE? Do me a favour...."
Considering that civil servants, remain MP's and the BoE got their forecasts and predictions about a leave vote hopelessly and catastrophically wrong in 2016, I'd say maybe some random bloke on fabs guess about the future is just as valid as theirs. I look at people's track records and the folk you listed have an appalling track record on their Brexit predictions already. |
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
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We may be living in a semi detached house with them as members of the EU, but after Brexit we'll be moving out to a detached house with a large moat between them and us.  |
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
We may be living in a semi detached house with them as members of the EU, but after Brexit we'll be moving out to a detached house with a large moat between them and us. "
Hurrah. Brexit is taking us back to the time of castles. All hail King BoJo, FArage and JRM.  |
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It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
1. You don't HAVE to do it. As I predicted all along, it's looking more likely that Brexit will be cancelled as people start to see the light.
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With respect, you are not British. As Foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt said in a speech to the EU, if you think we'll ignore democracy and change our minds and stay in the EU you have fundamentally misunderstood the British people and the British psyche. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Vivid imagination,lets face it nobody knows what is going to happen it is more frightening than interesting"
Not when you study the political compass and earlier policy thoughts of those shouting loudest for the most crashing of exits.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I see, so because my opinion differs to that of certain “experts” they mean nothing and I ought to go think again.
I can’t be bothered arguing the toss with so many expert tossers.
I just can’t wait to come back here and say I told you so.
No Deal? BRING IT ON!! |
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
We may be living in a semi detached house with them as members of the EU, but after Brexit we'll be moving out to a detached house with a large moat between them and us. "
With an equally large drawbridge for the necessary trade..
And no, you won't be able to pull it up.. |
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
We may be living in a semi detached house with them as members of the EU, but after Brexit we'll be moving out to a detached house with a large moat between them and us.
Hurrah. Brexit is taking us back to the time of castles. All hail King BoJo, FArage and JRM. "
Duck ponds on expenses next.. |
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"I see, so because my opinion differs to that of certain “experts” they mean nothing and I ought to go think again.
I can’t be bothered arguing the toss with so many expert tossers.
I just can’t wait to come back here and say I told you so.
No Deal? BRING IT ON!!"
But only if YOUR RIGHT? |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
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Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK. |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK. "
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Throughout history, every wave of migration into the UK generally has filled those low-wage posts that British workers consider beneath themselves.
Be that the Windrush generation, the Pakistani and Indian, the Vietnamese influx and now the eastern Europeans.
They have children here and those children grow up with higher aspirations than their parents had when they arrived.
They don't want to do restaurant work or work in a car wash.
So it falls to a new wave of migrants to fill those positions.
Now we see what happens when the UK becomes a "hostile environment" towards anyone earning less than £30k a year.
Those workers go home and the food is left to rot in the fields because fewer and fewer people want to come here.
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"Throughout history, every wave of migration into the UK generally has filled those low-wage posts that British workers consider beneath themselves.
Be that the Windrush generation, the Pakistani and Indian, the Vietnamese influx and now the eastern Europeans.
They have children here and those children grow up with higher aspirations than their parents had when they arrived.
They don't want to do restaurant work or work in a car wash.
So it falls to a new wave of migrants to fill those positions.
Now we see what happens when the UK becomes a "hostile environment" towards anyone earning less than £30k a year.
Those workers go home and the food is left to rot in the fields because fewer and fewer people want to come here.
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?"
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport. |
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over a year ago
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"I see, so because my opinion differs to that of certain “experts” they mean nothing and I ought to go think again.
I can’t be bothered arguing the toss with so many expert tossers.
I just can’t wait to come back here and say I told you so.
No Deal? BRING IT ON!!
But only if YOUR RIGHT? "
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport. "
I'm all for a policy based on encouraging people with the skills we are short of.
We've been promised one for years.
It still hasn't appeared.
We still seem to stuck in a defensive mindset - politicians scared of losing votes if they are seen to be "soft" on the subject.
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport. "
Sir Stuart’s comment was on a “all things being equal” basis. But hey, context. The real world is not as simple as that.
We’re still a net migrating country. So the nuances between migration and real wage is more subtle.
It’s an interesting idea we’re comforable with not skilling up our workforce (and increasing their wages) and using migrants to fill the vacuum below. We’d agree make sure fruit pickers get paid a few pence more than get them into higher paid jobs. |
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May failed the country by excluding the options for greater UK sovereignty being active, where informed citizens could vote upon EU options, including remaining. As it stands now, the conservatives have wasted so much of the Article 50 2 year period, arriving at the current 'deal', that there is insufficient time to implement legal and other changes for a referendum based on the negotiation's outcome. |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport. "
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite? |
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"May failed the country by excluding the options for greater UK sovereignty being active, where informed citizens could vote upon EU options, including remaining. As it stands now, the conservatives have wasted so much of the Article 50 2 year period, arriving at the current 'deal', that there is insufficient time to implement legal and other changes for a referendum based on the negotiation's outcome. "
She has also left it this long before opening the door to the possibility of a “no BREXIT.” Which I have to admit, was no suprise to me.
We couldn’t be pushed around, so we are being corralled with the cattle prod approach. Her “deal” will not make it through the House of Commons, and she has already made all the excuses as to why she won’t allow no deal.
And people said that Maggie was a bitch! |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK. "
Strange then that all the academic research shows that the impact of EU migrants on wages is minimal |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?"
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said. |
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It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
1. You don't HAVE to do it. As I predicted all along, it's looking more likely that Brexit will be cancelled as people start to see the light.
2. Your kids could be living in hell as a sovereign government erodes their rights with impunity....look at the various ways that May has eroded internet privacy as one example ("protection" = control)If it is cancelled it will be because of a lack of concencus and the failure of democracy,nothing to do with people seeing your biased light.
If delayed no problem but if cancelled then this country will become a bitter place so devided and it is the beginning of the end of democracy caused by remainers destroying us."
It would be the least damaging option.
If Brexit goes ahead and the highest probability outcome does come true (economic destruction) then the other side have a lot more to be bitter about.
Another lost generation might suffer the choices imposed in them. |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said. "
Do you hold the same logic for British people living in the EU?
Do you think it's alright for others to impose on the freedoms they currently enjoy? |
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over a year ago
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said. "
Actually yes you can as I have explained to you on numerous occasions freedom of movement is only 90 days!
How many times have you got to be told 90 days only after that a visa is needed - like pulling teeth! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said. "
Erm. Actually, you can choose to employ or not to employ them based on their ability.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait."
Oh, that's easy then. You've totally convinced me
Just a couple of questions which you will already have considered and have an answer to.
If we are in the WTO and there is a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have any say in the matter?
If not, will we have lost our sovereignty?
How do we overcome the objections of; Russia, Australia, New Zealand and USA to joining the WTO with the schedule that we have proposed...let alone the other 160+ members?
Where will our trade go? What are we selling that can't be bought somewhere else?
How long will it take to negotiate with the EU and all of the countries that we already have a trade deal with through them? How long will it take to get back to square one?
You didn't live through the blitz. Almost nobody alive today did. It's meaningless to invoke it. Agincourt or killing sabre toothed tigers are no more relevant.
Why would you wish that on this country? Why is survival the goal?
WWII was forced upon us and the country was under existential threat. You chose this. That's just silly. Do you just want everyone to be as miserable as you?
We will answer to whatever arbitration organisation allocated by every trade agreement we sign.
Our children and grandchildren may thank us. I don't crave their adulation though. Saying that something will be so with no clue how to achieve it makes that outcome highly unlikely. Even if you shout it. As a consequence it's more likely that they will curse us as they eat their chlorinated chicken and read watch their Chinese language newspapers. |
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"You can bet that if no deal is done 20 odd eu countries will see it as a great chance to trade with the UK without restrictions....a free for all that will put the cat amongst the pigeons in the great eu state ..."
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"You can bet that if no deal is done 20 odd eu countries will see it as a great chance to trade with the UK without restrictions....a free for all that will put the cat amongst the pigeons in the great eu state ...
You do understand that 27 European countries have no trading restrictions with us now, right?"
It's almost like we will have had a vote to lessen or to make harder the trading arrangements we currently have..
With the possibility of other trading arrangements with countries we currently can do in any case collectively as a bigger bloc..
Doh..
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said.
Actually yes you can as I have explained to you on numerous occasions freedom of movement is only 90 days!
How many times have you got to be told 90 days only after that a visa is needed - like pulling teeth!"
And as I've told you before many times when you've trotted out this line, 90 days is not acceptable. Frankly 1 day, is 1 day too many! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said.
Actually yes you can as I have explained to you on numerous occasions freedom of movement is only 90 days!
How many times have you got to be told 90 days only after that a visa is needed - like pulling teeth!
And as I've told you before many times when you've trotted out this line, 90 days is not acceptable. Frankly 1 day, is 1 day too many!"
What not even to come here on holiday? I don't think our tourism industry would be very happy with that idea.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
IN JUNE 2016, you voted for Britain to leave the European Union. But do you have any idea why you did this or is it lost in the mists of time?
Did you want Britain to be free to trade with countries around the world?
A) No, I don’t think I was bothered about that. Isn’t it already?
B) Yes! That was it. I was sick of being tied into reductive EU trade deals that don’t take into account the massive economic heft of our organic pear juice.
Was it because you were sick of human rights?
A) Okay, I get that it sounds weird now, but possibly. I mean you had to be there.
B) Yes! Murderers serving life were getting PlayStations and all the adult channels, then getting released! I knew I had a good reason.
Did you want the NHS to get an extra £350 million a week?
A) Don’t get me wrong I like the NHS, but that seems excessive. Wouldn’t that make it richer than, like, Google?
B) Yes! And it will!
It wasn’t because you’re racist, was it?
A) Not racist as such. Perhaps slightly more susceptible to racism. It’s genetic.
B) No! It definitely wasn’t that at all, and anyone who says that is the reason Brexit happened is so wrong!
Do you actually want Brexit now?
A) Is it ungrateful if I say no? I don’t want to make a scene.
B) Yes! For all the reasons mentioned above, and any others!
ANSWERS
Mostly As: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and are ashamed to admit you once trusted Nigel Farage. Still, it’s too late now.
Mostly Bs: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and will claim the reason as anything the media says, as long as it means you’re still in the right. Still, it’s too late now. |
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"IN JUNE 2016, you voted for Britain to leave the European Union. But do you have any idea why you did this or is it lost in the mists of time?
Did you want Britain to be free to trade with countries around the world?
A) No, I don’t think I was bothered about that. Isn’t it already?
B) Yes! That was it. I was sick of being tied into reductive EU trade deals that don’t take into account the massive economic heft of our organic pear juice.
Was it because you were sick of human rights?
A) Okay, I get that it sounds weird now, but possibly. I mean you had to be there.
B) Yes! Murderers serving life were getting PlayStations and all the adult channels, then getting released! I knew I had a good reason.
Did you want the NHS to get an extra £350 million a week?
A) Don’t get me wrong I like the NHS, but that seems excessive. Wouldn’t that make it richer than, like, Google?
B) Yes! And it will!
It wasn’t because you’re racist, was it?
A) Not racist as such. Perhaps slightly more susceptible to racism. It’s genetic.
B) No! It definitely wasn’t that at all, and anyone who says that is the reason Brexit happened is so wrong!
Do you actually want Brexit now?
A) Is it ungrateful if I say no? I don’t want to make a scene.
B) Yes! For all the reasons mentioned above, and any others!
ANSWERS
Mostly As: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and are ashamed to admit you once trusted Nigel Farage. Still, it’s too late now.
Mostly Bs: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and will claim the reason as anything the media says, as long as it means you’re still in the right. Still, it’s too late now."
It's that yet more rubbish from the Daily Mash, or did you make all of that claptrap up yourself? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"IN JUNE 2016, you voted for Britain to leave the European Union. But do you have any idea why you did this or is it lost in the mists of time?
Did you want Britain to be free to trade with countries around the world?
A) No, I don’t think I was bothered about that. Isn’t it already?
B) Yes! That was it. I was sick of being tied into reductive EU trade deals that don’t take into account the massive economic heft of our organic pear juice.
Was it because you were sick of human rights?
A) Okay, I get that it sounds weird now, but possibly. I mean you had to be there.
B) Yes! Murderers serving life were getting PlayStations and all the adult channels, then getting released! I knew I had a good reason.
Did you want the NHS to get an extra £350 million a week?
A) Don’t get me wrong I like the NHS, but that seems excessive. Wouldn’t that make it richer than, like, Google?
B) Yes! And it will!
It wasn’t because you’re racist, was it?
A) Not racist as such. Perhaps slightly more susceptible to racism. It’s genetic.
B) No! It definitely wasn’t that at all, and anyone who says that is the reason Brexit happened is so wrong!
Do you actually want Brexit now?
A) Is it ungrateful if I say no? I don’t want to make a scene.
B) Yes! For all the reasons mentioned above, and any others!
ANSWERS
Mostly As: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and are ashamed to admit you once trusted Nigel Farage. Still, it’s too late now.
Mostly Bs: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and will claim the reason as anything the media says, as long as it means you’re still in the right. Still, it’s too late now.
It's that yet more rubbish from the Daily Mash, or did you make all of that claptrap up yourself? "
Why does it annoy you so much?
It's nonsense after all |
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"IN JUNE 2016, you voted for Britain to leave the European Union. But do you have any idea why you did this or is it lost in the mists of time?
Did you want Britain to be free to trade with countries around the world?
A) No, I don’t think I was bothered about that. Isn’t it already?
B) Yes! That was it. I was sick of being tied into reductive EU trade deals that don’t take into account the massive economic heft of our organic pear juice.
Was it because you were sick of human rights?
A) Okay, I get that it sounds weird now, but possibly. I mean you had to be there.
B) Yes! Murderers serving life were getting PlayStations and all the adult channels, then getting released! I knew I had a good reason.
Did you want the NHS to get an extra £350 million a week?
A) Don’t get me wrong I like the NHS, but that seems excessive. Wouldn’t that make it richer than, like, Google?
B) Yes! And it will!
It wasn’t because you’re racist, was it?
A) Not racist as such. Perhaps slightly more susceptible to racism. It’s genetic.
B) No! It definitely wasn’t that at all, and anyone who says that is the reason Brexit happened is so wrong!
Do you actually want Brexit now?
A) Is it ungrateful if I say no? I don’t want to make a scene.
B) Yes! For all the reasons mentioned above, and any others!
ANSWERS
Mostly As: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and are ashamed to admit you once trusted Nigel Farage. Still, it’s too late now.
Mostly Bs: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and will claim the reason as anything the media says, as long as it means you’re still in the right. Still, it’s too late now.
It's that yet more rubbish from the Daily Mash, or did you make all of that claptrap up yourself?
Why does it annoy you so much?
It's nonsense after all "
Who said it annoyed me?
Just-Andy has told you its rubbish on a couple of other threads and he's a remainer.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"IN JUNE 2016, you voted for Britain to leave the European Union. But do you have any idea why you did this or is it lost in the mists of time?
Did you want Britain to be free to trade with countries around the world?
A) No, I don’t think I was bothered about that. Isn’t it already?
B) Yes! That was it. I was sick of being tied into reductive EU trade deals that don’t take into account the massive economic heft of our organic pear juice.
Was it because you were sick of human rights?
A) Okay, I get that it sounds weird now, but possibly. I mean you had to be there.
B) Yes! Murderers serving life were getting PlayStations and all the adult channels, then getting released! I knew I had a good reason.
Did you want the NHS to get an extra £350 million a week?
A) Don’t get me wrong I like the NHS, but that seems excessive. Wouldn’t that make it richer than, like, Google?
B) Yes! And it will!
It wasn’t because you’re racist, was it?
A) Not racist as such. Perhaps slightly more susceptible to racism. It’s genetic.
B) No! It definitely wasn’t that at all, and anyone who says that is the reason Brexit happened is so wrong!
Do you actually want Brexit now?
A) Is it ungrateful if I say no? I don’t want to make a scene.
B) Yes! For all the reasons mentioned above, and any others!
ANSWERS
Mostly As: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and are ashamed to admit you once trusted Nigel Farage. Still, it’s too late now.
Mostly Bs: You have no idea why you voted Brexit and will claim the reason as anything the media says, as long as it means you’re still in the right. Still, it’s too late now.
It's that yet more rubbish from the Daily Mash, or did you make all of that claptrap up yourself?
Why does it annoy you so much?
It's nonsense after all
Who said it annoyed me?
Just-Andy has told you its rubbish on a couple of other threads and he's a remainer.
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Yet here you are writing about it but unable to answer:
If we are in the WTO and there is a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have any say in the matter?
If not, will we have lost our sovereignty? |
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I started out by saying that Brexit would never happen. As time goes on and we get closer and closer to the cliff edge I still think that we won't end up doing it. The current deal will be voted down. May is wobbling. We'll see. |
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"Their agenda vision can be summed up as a deregulated free-for-all, low-wage, low-tax economy.
Wake up. We are already a low wage economy thanks to free movement and mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, undercutting and depressing the native populations wages. There is a reason why big business and multinational corporations support remain it's because foreign EU workers are willing to work for much less than Brits and they want to continue to have them coming here on tap so they can continue to pay peanuts for wages.
One of the leaders of the remain campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign that a result of Brexit would be increased wages in the UK.
Figures this week show EU movement as 74,000, and the rest of the world as 248,000 - so it's about 25%-75% - so more the rest of the world and not EU "driving wages down".
Also why do you think we have low wage and low skilled work in the UK ?
Sir Stuart Roses assessment seems to have been correct though because since the leave vote EU migration into the UK has decreased and average wages have risen above the rate of Inflation. Immigration from outside the EU can be targeted towards Highly skilled individuals, not a free for all let anyone in approach that free movement allows just because they hold an EU passport.
So are you saying EU workers work for less than say an African or Asian worker? As stated there's more coming from the rest of the world than the EU! Oh and immigration isn't falling your just getting less EU migrants.
Oh Sir Stuart Rose - just ask anyone who worked for Booker or Iceland what they think of him. Asset stripped and made a fortune for himself - is he a liberal or just an elite?
The difference is we can select African or Asian workers based on their skills, you can't do that with EU free movement, it's a free for all and as long as they hold an EU passport then the door is open to them. It's wrong and it will be stopped with Brexit, even May's deal ends free movement.
As for Stuart Rose he is a remainer, enough said.
Actually yes you can as I have explained to you on numerous occasions freedom of movement is only 90 days!
How many times have you got to be told 90 days only after that a visa is needed - like pulling teeth!
And as I've told you before many times when you've trotted out this line, 90 days is not acceptable. Frankly 1 day, is 1 day too many!"
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"More bs scare rumours about a no deal BREXIT. So let us be clear. No deal just means no deal with between the UK and the EU prior to our leaving. It will save us tens of billions of pounds to begin with, as we will have no obligation to pay any kind of “divorce bill.” We will also be able to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions with immediate affect, and the rest of the world will be falling over each other to deal with such a large and vacant market. You can also bet your bottom dollar that post BREXIT, the EU will also want to flesh out many many deals as they will not want all our trade to go elsewhere, and with all the political games over they will allow themselves to do so.
I know the road ahead is far from straight (even fab straight lol), and there will be many a bump. But no deal will not be the end of the world. It might be a well deserved kick up the backside for some former gravy train passengers, that is tough.
It is going to be a time for rolling up our sleeves and getting the help on with it. Just like Londoners after the blitz, we will do it because we will jolly well have to do.
The future will be better, and at least our grand children will own their own nation without having to answer to anyone.
Stand up people and be counted, I will and I can’t wait.
So, some random bloke on Fab know more about the impact of a no deal Brexit than civil servants, MPs, the BoE? Do me a favour....
Considering that civil servants, remain MP's and the BoE got their forecasts and predictions about a leave vote hopelessly and catastrophically wrong in 2016, I'd say maybe some random bloke on fabs guess about the future is just as valid as theirs. I look at people's track records and the folk you listed have an appalling track record on their Brexit predictions already. "
Let's take Forex rates....they were spot on about that. Slowed growth of the economy - yup correct. |
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"I see, so because my opinion differs to that of certain “experts” they mean nothing and I ought to go think again.
I can’t be bothered arguing the toss with so many expert tossers.
I just can’t wait to come back here and say I told you so.
No Deal? BRING IT ON!!"
I hope you enjoy being poorer when we crash out with no deal |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
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The desire to inflict harm on people is quite a common feature of right-wing threads on this site.
In this case, the destruction of the European economy and the misery that will inflict on so many.
A distinct lack of empathy.
Sociopathic.
It occurs over and over again among those pursuing right-wing policies - the ability to fuck everyone else in the process of securing their own personal satisfaction.
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
The desire to inflict harm on people is quite a common feature of right-wing threads on this site.
In this case, the destruction of the European economy and the misery that will inflict on so many.
A distinct lack of empathy.
Sociopathic.
It occurs over and over again among those pursuing right-wing policies - the ability to fuck everyone else in the process of securing their own personal satisfaction.
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I keep trying to remind myself that it must be wind and piss because the other option is some sort of imbalance in their psyche.. |
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"The 'I really hate my neighbours so fucking much that I want their house to burn down as I dance with joy outside' fixation with some people is a worrying one..
That they have ignored that they are the other side of the semi is lost in their blind hatred to lash out in anger for their own issues is bizarre..
The desire to inflict harm on people is quite a common feature of right-wing threads on this site.
In this case, the destruction of the European economy and the misery that will inflict on so many.
A distinct lack of empathy.
Sociopathic.
It occurs over and over again among those pursuing right-wing policies - the ability to fuck everyone else in the process of securing their own personal satisfaction.
I keep trying to remind myself that it must be wind and piss because the other option is some sort of imbalance in their psyche.. "
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The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls .... |
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"The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls ...."
Yes you are right - to some extent!
However we have got to accept the following
There are two sides to every story
Employer takes the risk and invests capital and if they business succeeds they get the reward - it could easily fail.
Profit is not a dirty word however excessive profit is probably immoral!
The laws you mentioned are safeguards as some employees need regulation some are more generous.
The average boss earns significantly more than the average employee the gap has grown unfairly between rich and poor.
£75m bonus, £275m annual salary just two examples!
Employee - zero hours contracts who accepts a deal like that? We are a low wage economy which means most are just about managing! The employee sees all The wealth and get bitter.
The solutions not easy - better productivity, better management better jobs! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls ...."
Except that these are both UK legislation.
Sovereign legislation passed by our government without an EU directive |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls ...."
So you want to depress wages even more. And expect the taxpayer to make up the shortfall through increases in Income Support, too, no doubt - all so the greedy business owner can hoard away more wealth and expect the rest of us to cover the cost. No thanks.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls ....
So you want to depress wages even more. And expect the taxpayer to make up the shortfall through increases in Income Support, too, no doubt - all so the greedy business owner can hoard away more wealth and expect the rest of us to cover the cost. No thanks.
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No, no. He wants to"make" employers pay a living wage out of the goodness of their hearts but not using the law.
Alternatively people are being paid too much and aren't doing enough to be worth paying enough to live or retire on.
Either way, a solution is best achieved by leaving the EU.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The living wage and work place pensions ....people should be paid there worth .not a set wage ...and work place pensions are a further bizz tax nothing more ..used to top up government shortfalls ...."
What have these got to do with the EU? These were U.K. Govt decisions alone and more is sure to follow. Expect the £40,000 maximum pension contribution by employers to come down soon too.
The EU has historically done far more more for ordinary businesses and ordinary people than any National U.K. Govt that I can remember for a long time, |
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