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"Both sides lied through their teeth with projections & promise's " Never happened before so nobody knew! Remain had "egg on face". Leave made it sound easy peaze to leave - yeah right! April next year we will all know what's going to happen! | |||
"Both sides lied through their teeth with projections & promise's Never happened before so nobody knew! Remain had "egg on face". Leave made it sound easy peaze to leave - yeah right! April next year we will all know what's going to happen! " Just plain old fashioned common sense told you everything you needed to know about how "easy" it was going to be. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs." But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs 
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"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
"Yes correct how big was the £350m and how big was "Could" and how big was "nhs"? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Yes correct how big was the £350m and how big was "Could" and how big was "nhs"?"Well it was proven over and over the £350 million was lies but brexiteers wouldn't admit it. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Yes correct how big was the £350m and how big was "Could" and how big was "nhs"?"CORRECTION: "COULD" NEVER featured on the bus but "LET'S FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD " | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
"Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else. | |||
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"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
"WTF! nether. I do worry about my brain sometimes. LOL. *never. | |||
"Not quite correct, it will only be proven a lie if the govt guarantee to match the eus spending after we leave and up till now they have not done so " Where does a government get its income from? In order for the government to meet that target the UK economy HAS to boom after brexit - immediately not in 15 yrs time! | |||
"Not quite correct, it will only be proven a lie if the govt guarantee to match the eus spending after we leave and up till now they have not done so " No, it was a lie that we send £350 million a week to the EU. We don't. Even if the Government takes all the EUs spending here for the NHS. We simply don't, and never have, sent £350 million a week to the EU; it's a lie. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
"There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it. The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government. | |||
"Not quite correct, it will only be proven a lie if the govt guarantee to match the eus spending after we leave and up till now they have not done so No, it was a lie that we send £350 million a week to the EU. We don't. Even if the Government takes all the EUs spending here for the NHS. We simply don't, and never have, sent £350 million a week to the EU; it's a lie. " Once again there is a net figure and a gross figure earmarked by government towards the EU for our membership fee. The figure on the bus used one of those figures. It was explained to people on fullfact the difference between the gross figure and the net figure and how the figures were broken down by the rebate, etc. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government. "From Fullfact: "Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit? Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU. There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year. We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year. However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving. Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else." This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy. https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/ | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/"You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote. "I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU? I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated: "Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else." Where do you see this money coming from? It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid' | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'"I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget. "Did you read the fullfact article??? I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving." So, no savings there!!!!! Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals? Do you really believe what you put on here? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here? "Sadly yes he does! | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here? "Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets). | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets). "The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying! Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list??? | |||
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"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???"So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?  | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then? "The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway! You going to answer my question? want a clue? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue? "A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future). | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future). "So which part of the elites section is he? Liberal? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future). "If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640 You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!! | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!"We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!! | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!"Nope...try again? | |||
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"Easy? Fuck, life is not easy and I’m not expecting mine to get any harder. Me and my colleagues are already being pushed as hard as is possible. Money has been a problem since well before the referendum was even thought to be happening. In a way I hope it does get hard for those who have had it easy, see how they like it. Especially those wankers who refer to themselves as “expats.” They really can go fuck themselves. I want to hear immigrants wish they had never bothered coming here. But most of all I want this country to be free from Brussels and away from German/French control. Let’s start shooting at foreign fishing boats in our waters, and turning away EU migrants at our ports. Fuck then all!!" Do you mean them?? I though Mensa would remunerate their staff very well (I presume you work for them)? | |||
"Easy? Fuck, life is not easy and I’m not expecting mine to get any harder. Me and my colleagues are already being pushed as hard as is possible. Money has been a problem since well before the referendum was even thought to be happening. In a way I hope it does get hard for those who have had it easy, see how they like it. Especially those wankers who refer to themselves as “expats.” They really can go fuck themselves. I want to hear immigrants wish they had never bothered coming here. But most of all I want this country to be free from Brussels and away from German/French control. Let’s start shooting at foreign fishing boats in our waters, and turning away EU migrants at our ports. Fuck then all!!" That is one of the most intelligent, considered, thoughtful and educated posts I have ever see! The brainpower required to put that together leaves me envious. I so wish I was as rational and realistic. With people like this our country can only prosper, increase our influence in the world and become great. Thank you for sharing your wonderful insightful views. Now go and take your meds! | |||
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"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good..." Please take your meds.....you are becoming irrational and delusional. | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... Please take your meds.....you are becoming irrational and delusional. " Oh dear, whatever is the matter? Don’t you like it? Tough! | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good..." If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace!" That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Nope...try again?"Oh dear has Centy disappeared again? Perhaps the question was a bit difficult for him to find a simple and honest answer to? I can’t help wondering if he is a failed politician because he knows so much and always goes on the attack whenever his knowledge fails him. Odd bloke. | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that." You don't work for Mensa ??? | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ???" And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though "Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it? | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good..." Your living a fantasy, the working class had its say on brexit due to a combination of issues for which they needed someone and something to blame.. Irony being that most of the grievances and some are genuine had nothing to do with the EU but that was lost in the need to give vent to long held frustration.. There will not be a revolution, and in any case who will these revolutionaries target? Farage, Banks, Boris etc for promising something they couldn't deliver? What will probably happen is the levels of apathy before 2016 will increase and that may allow the extremes on all sides to prosper which benefits no one.. | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse..."Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018 As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel? | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel? "I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so. I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need. | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel?
I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so.
I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need."You didn't look at it did you? | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel?
I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so.
I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need."What exactly is it you hate about the EU and EU Immigrants? | |||
" I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need." Sociopathic exhibit no. 235, m'lud | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel?
I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so.
I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need."“I have decided to stick with Love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.” – Dr Martin Luther King  | |||
"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel?
I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so.
I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need.
“I have decided to stick with Love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.” – Dr Martin Luther King
"Except when it comes to the Tories, or ukip or Brexit or anyone who leans even slightly to the right, then you display plenty of hatred towards them don't you Bob. Yet more hypocrisy. | |||
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What a sad and lonely place they must inhabit.A big hug is needed no doubt .  | |||
"I really do feel for those who can't see past the colour of a mans skin ..
What a sad and lonely place they must inhabit.A big hug is needed no doubt . "LOL, who mentioned skin colour anywhere on the thread????? | |||
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"Oh what fuckin ever! I meant every word, the real working class in this country will have its say. And the libtards will finally get to realise their worst fucking nightmare. The revolution is about to start, and the whole damn shooting match is about to change. Hopefully for good... If I was you I'd be worried about animals replacing me in the workplace! That is the thing, animals could not do my job, not even robots. It is full on manual labour and constantly changing. I’m absolutely not worried about that. You don't work for Mensa ??? And you don’t have a high profile position in NASA? Or perhaps you are an ancient alien conspiricie theorist? Still full of shit though
Do you mean conspiracy? It's unlikely I'd work for a North American company isn't it?
Blah blah blah
I don’t actually give a shit what you do. Although I would guess that you have benefitted from our membership from the EU. That is what I think everytime I read a remoaner post.
The gravy train is about to come off it’s tracks, and I’m happy about that.
Oh and it is no secret that I’m a dogsbody in a cash and carry warehouse...
Of course I have, everyone has including you! take a look at figure 2 on this website:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2018
As a man obviously against immigration how does that make you feel?
I’m against further immigration, as I believe our country has taken enough over the last 60 years or so.
I have gained fuck all from the EU, and never sought to. I hate those scumbags with a passion. A clean break is what we need."So do you think it's going to stop? Yes EU immigrants are down to 74,000 but the rest of the world has risen to 248,000 - the level has remained static! All your doing is swapping 1 group for another group! | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!"Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above. Where's the other 97.8% coming from then? I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like. Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above.
Where's the other 97.8% coming from then?
I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like.
Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why?"I told you money would come from a "combination" of areas in my earlier post, not just a cybertax on its own. I even gave you other specific examples besides the cybertax so don't play dumb. If you received a forum ban maybe you should stick to posting within the forum rules in future. As for Tim Martin I already addressed your points about him on this thread so i have no need to post on the other thread. You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread which is frankly very odd. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above.
Where's the other 97.8% coming from then?
I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like.
Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why?
I told you money would come from a "combination" of areas in my earlier post, not just a cybertax on its own. I even gave you other specific examples besides the cybertax so don't play dumb.
If you received a forum ban maybe you should stick to posting within the forum rules in future.
As for Tim Martin I already addressed your points about him on this thread so i have no need to post on the other thread. You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread which is frankly very odd. "I mean on the other thread that is actually aimed at you (you are referenced in the first post by the OP) and you are looking silly by your absence.... So you've accounted for 2.2% were's the rest coming from? Tax rises? less public services? | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above.
Where's the other 97.8% coming from then?
I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like.
Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why?
I told you money would come from a "combination" of areas in my earlier post, not just a cybertax on its own. I even gave you other specific examples besides the cybertax so don't play dumb.
If you received a forum ban maybe you should stick to posting within the forum rules in future.
As for Tim Martin I already addressed your points about him on this thread so i have no need to post on the other thread. You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread which is frankly very odd.
I mean on the other thread that is actually aimed at you (you are referenced in the first post by the OP) and you are looking silly by your absence....
So you've accounted for 2.2% were's the rest coming from? Tax rises? less public services? "Already answered your question as to where the money is coming from in my earlier post, a combination of areas which I gave you specific examples for, not going to repeat myself so I suggest you scroll up the thread and read it again. And again on the Tim Martin thing it's really weird how you have this bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread. All I see on that thread are a bunch of sad remoaners patting each other on the back in an echo chamber. I don't need to defend Tim Martin as leave already won the referendum. I made the case for Leave on here when it mattered in 2016 during the referendum campaign. It's frankly rather pathetic and sad the way remoaners post threads mentioning me in the OP (I see another one just appeared on the pound sterling) and I think a few of you seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession about me. The remoaners who have stuck around on here like a lingering bad smell since the result of the referendum in 2016, don't seem to realise they already lost and are now trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above.
Where's the other 97.8% coming from then?
I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like.
Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why?
I told you money would come from a "combination" of areas in my earlier post, not just a cybertax on its own. I even gave you other specific examples besides the cybertax so don't play dumb.
If you received a forum ban maybe you should stick to posting within the forum rules in future.
As for Tim Martin I already addressed your points about him on this thread so i have no need to post on the other thread. You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread which is frankly very odd.
I mean on the other thread that is actually aimed at you (you are referenced in the first post by the OP) and you are looking silly by your absence....
So you've accounted for 2.2% were's the rest coming from? Tax rises? less public services?
Already answered your question as to where the money is coming from in my earlier post, a combination of areas which I gave you specific examples for, not going to repeat myself so I suggest you scroll up the thread and read it again.
And again on the Tim Martin thing it's really weird how you have this bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread. All I see on that thread are a bunch of sad remoaners patting each other on the back in an echo chamber. I don't need to defend Tim Martin as leave already won the referendum. I made the case for Leave on here when it mattered in 2016 during the referendum campaign. It's frankly rather pathetic and sad the way remoaners post threads mentioning me in the OP (I see another one just appeared on the pound sterling) and I think a few of you seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession about me. The remoaners who have stuck around on here like a lingering bad smell since the result of the referendum in 2016, don't seem to realise they already lost and are now trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted. "So where is this 'growth' coming from you mention and we are cutting foreign aid to help make up the 97.8% are we? What a compassionate guy you are! This of course is just me having fun as a full fact have already said Brexit is likely to at least the 394m anyway. Feel free to watch the Tim Martin video on youtube and go through the points on here : Tim Martin on Question Time - taken apart on youtube. | |||
"And 350 millon to the nhs. But Shag They never said the NHS would get 350 million, they say it would save 350 million which for example COULD go to the nhs
Which was still a lie because we nether sent £350 million a week to the EU so COULD NEVER have spent it on the NHS or anything else.
There is a net figure and a gross future, both figures are earmarked towards the EU as our membership fee. The figure on the bus was one of those figures. It was all explained to people about the rebate, etc on fact checking websites like fullfact during the referendum campaign so people understood it.
The government have also now made a commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, do you really think the government would have made that policy commitment if it wasn't for Brexit and the £350 million figure put about during the referendum? Truth is its the figure on the bus and Brexit which has brought about this NHS policy shift from the government.
From Fullfact:
"Will the money for the NHS come from Brexit?
Mrs May has suggested that post-Brexit this money for the NHS would come, at least in part, from money previously sent to the EU.
There is no guaranteed extra money—or ‘Brexit dividend’—as a result of the UK ceasing its contributions to the EU budget after leaving. The UK currently pays around £13 billion to £14 billion into the EU budget every year.
We get some money back in the form of EU spending on the UK. The government has already indicated that, until at least 2022, it will continue to spend some money on the areas where the EU currently gives us funding. So after factoring that in, when we stop paying into the EU budget in 2021, we’d likely have a “net” sum of around £9 billion to £10 billion left over each year.
However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving.
Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
This is from the fullfact website you mention about the "£390m a week" you also mention..Enjoy.
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/
You didn't actually answer the question though. Would the government have made a policy commitment to spend £390 million extra a week on the NHS after Brexit, if it wasn't for the figure on the bus and the subsequent leave vote.
I'm not sure, but surely a better way of dealing with a government under investing in the NHS would be to vote them out rather that vote to leave the EU?
I'll as you a question now..bearing in mind that fullfact stated:
"Any extra funding given to the NHS or any other part of public spending would then need to come from increased taxes, increased borrowing, or reducing spending on something else."
Where do you see this money coming from?
It'll make my day if you say, 'Foreign aid'
I see it coming from a combination of areas, some from savings made on no longer paying into the EU budget, some from increased tax (could be an online transaction fee tax for online retailers like Amazon, which the Chancellor has already hinted at), some from increased growth in the economy as the economy grows the government has more money to spend in the budget, and yes could also be from cutting some from government budgets like the foreign aid budget.
Did you read the fullfact article???
I'll help you, "However, other costs (for example, parts of the Brexit ‘divorce’ bill) and economic effects associated with leaving are expected to more than offset that saving."
So, no savings there!!!!!
Where is this growth coming from by the way? 3rd world trade deals?
Do you really believe what you put on here?
Isn't it you remainers who believe all Treasury forecasts without question? Let's face it you all swallowed George Osborne's forecasts about brexit so why wouldn't you believe the treasury now? The Treasury forecasts a continued growth in the UK economy after Brexit (maybe not as much growth compared to remain but continued growth non the less which means more money in treasury coffers for future budgets).
The bracketed bit is the best: it show even he doesn't believe what he's saying!
Can you tell me what would of happened if I searched 'World's biggest economies' before the referendum...Where would the UK appear on the list???
So you don't believe the Treasury forecasts now then?
The treasury forecasts are a worst case scenario as they have to be to make plans. I'd sooner listen to an economist ahead of a pub chain owner anyway!
You going to answer my question? want a clue?
A very successful multi millionaire pub chain owner who has real experience of business and how business works compared to economists who seem to have consistently got their forecasts and predictions wrong over the last few years (you may as well ask mystic meg what she thinks about the future).
If you love him so much defend his honour... on the other thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/827640
You still haven't answered the question about the largest Economies!!!!
We're still in the G7 if that's what you want to know! !!!
Just looking the 'Cybertax' you cited in the post is set to bring in an estimated 450m pounds a year(thismoney website)! about 2.2% of the 394m referenced in the fullfact article above.
Where's the other 97.8% coming from then?
I'm not posting links as I received a 24hr ban yesterday for doing that but I can mail them to you if you like.
Oh and you seem to be keeping away from the Tim Martin post on this forum still....Why?
I told you money would come from a "combination" of areas in my earlier post, not just a cybertax on its own. I even gave you other specific examples besides the cybertax so don't play dumb.
If you received a forum ban maybe you should stick to posting within the forum rules in future.
As for Tim Martin I already addressed your points about him on this thread so i have no need to post on the other thread. You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread which is frankly very odd.
I mean on the other thread that is actually aimed at you (you are referenced in the first post by the OP) and you are looking silly by your absence....
So you've accounted for 2.2% were's the rest coming from? Tax rises? less public services?
Already answered your question as to where the money is coming from in my earlier post, a combination of areas which I gave you specific examples for, not going to repeat myself so I suggest you scroll up the thread and read it again.
And again on the Tim Martin thing it's really weird how you have this bee in your bonnet about me posting on the other thread. All I see on that thread are a bunch of sad remoaners patting each other on the back in an echo chamber. I don't need to defend Tim Martin as leave already won the referendum. I made the case for Leave on here when it mattered in 2016 during the referendum campaign. It's frankly rather pathetic and sad the way remoaners post threads mentioning me in the OP (I see another one just appeared on the pound sterling) and I think a few of you seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession about me. The remoaners who have stuck around on here like a lingering bad smell since the result of the referendum in 2016, don't seem to realise they already lost and are now trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted. "Once upon a time leave meant leaving get all Eu institutions. It meant the savings going to the nhs. It meant trade deals with the states. Now it just means not being a part of the treaty of Rome. And giving the nhs extra through other means. And no trade deals. Remain may have lost. But I’m not convinced leave has won. And if leave haven’t won by their measure then I think we’re all losers. | |||
"Not quite correct, it will only be proven a lie if the govt guarantee to match the eus spending after we leave and up till now they have not done so No, it was a lie that we send £350 million a week to the EU. We don't. Even if the Government takes all the EUs spending here for the NHS. We simply don't, and never have, sent £350 million a week to the EU; it's a lie. Once again there is a net figure and a gross figure earmarked by government towards the EU for our membership fee. The figure on the bus used one of those figures. It was explained to people on fullfact the difference between the gross figure and the net figure and how the figures were broken down by the rebate, etc. " Taken from the Full Fact main page for this referendum issue.. £350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" MENU Home Europe Control £350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" Published: 19th Sep 2017 In brief Claim After leaving the EU, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. Conclusion This is wrong, it’s more like £250 million a week. In any case the impact on the economy from changes to trade after leaving the EU is likely to be far bigger than savings from the UK’s membership fee. The UK Statistics Authority has criticised Boris Johnson for “a clear misuse of official statistics”. Mr Johnson wrote in the Telegraph last week: “And yes – once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS”. We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week. However you adjust the claim to make it more accurate, it will always miss the key context: economists on both sides during the referendum predicted that the impact on the economy from changes to trade and more would be far bigger than the UK’s EU membership fee. The UK rebate means we would never send or take back control of £350 million It was often claimed during the referendum that the UK “sends” £350 million a week to Brussels, and that this sum of money could be spent on other things like the NHS if we left the EU. This is wrong. £350 million is roughly what we would send to the EU budget if it wasn’t for the UK’s budget rebate. The rebate is effectively a discount on what we would otherwise be liable for. This rebate was negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984 and the way it is calculated can’t be changed in future without the UK’s agreement. | |||
" I don't need to defend Tim Martin as leave already won the referendum. I made the case for Leave on here when it mattered in 2016 during the referendum campaign. " And this why you're never going to get the BREXIT you wanted. If anything the arguments about BREXIT matter more now than they did in 2016 as BREXIT is not some distant thing to happen sometime in the future. The fact BREXITERS have consistently refused to make any argument at all since the referendum other than "we won, get over it", "it's the will of the people", "leave means leave", "out means out", "BREXIT means BREXIT", "No deal is better than a bad deal" and other platitudes, while Remainers have consistently and persistently addressed the actual issues, is why Leave have slowly but steadily lost the BREXIT argument. In the short term platitudes can win an argument but over a longer period always fall victim to consistent, persistent logical argument that actually tries to address the real issues. As I told you last year Centy Hard BREXIT was dead and, if Leave didn't start addressing the real issues, BREXIT would be dead soon too. The BREXIT epitaph, "destroyed by its own hubris" | |||
"Not quite correct, it will only be proven a lie if the govt guarantee to match the eus spending after we leave and up till now they have not done so No, it was a lie that we send £350 million a week to the EU. We don't. Even if the Government takes all the EUs spending here for the NHS. We simply don't, and never have, sent £350 million a week to the EU; it's a lie. Once again there is a net figure and a gross figure earmarked by government towards the EU for our membership fee. The figure on the bus used one of those figures. It was explained to people on fullfact the difference between the gross figure and the net figure and how the figures were broken down by the rebate, etc. Taken from the Full Fact main page for this referendum issue.. £350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" MENU Home Europe Control £350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" Published: 19th Sep 2017 In brief Claim After leaving the EU, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. Conclusion This is wrong, it’s more like £250 million a week. In any case the impact on the economy from changes to trade after leaving the EU is likely to be far bigger than savings from the UK’s membership fee. The UK Statistics Authority has criticised Boris Johnson for “a clear misuse of official statistics”. Mr Johnson wrote in the Telegraph last week: “And yes – once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS”. We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week. However you adjust the claim to make it more accurate, it will always miss the key context: economists on both sides during the referendum predicted that the impact on the economy from changes to trade and more would be far bigger than the UK’s EU membership fee. The UK rebate means we would never send or take back control of £350 million It was often claimed during the referendum that the UK “sends” £350 million a week to Brussels, and that this sum of money could be spent on other things like the NHS if we left the EU. This is wrong. £350 million is roughly what we would send to the EU budget if it wasn’t for the UK’s budget rebate. The rebate is effectively a discount on what we would otherwise be liable for. This rebate was negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984 and the way it is calculated can’t be changed in future without the UK’s agreement. "I'm interested to read your Full fact version that supports your version Centy | |||
" I don't need to defend Tim Martin as leave already won the referendum. I made the case for Leave on here when it mattered in 2016 during the referendum campaign. And this why you're never going to get the BREXIT you wanted. If anything the arguments about BREXIT matter more now than they did in 2016 as BREXIT is not some distant thing to happen sometime in the future. The fact BREXITERS have consistently refused to make any argument at all since the referendum other than "we won, get over it", "it's the will of the people", "leave means leave", "out means out", "BREXIT means BREXIT", "No deal is better than a bad deal" and other platitudes, while Remainers have consistently and persistently addressed the actual issues, is why Leave have slowly but steadily lost the BREXIT argument. In the short term platitudes can win an argument but over a longer period always fall victim to consistent, persistent logical argument that actually tries to address the real issues. As I told you last year Centy Hard BREXIT was dead and, if Leave didn't start addressing the real issues, BREXIT would be dead soon too. The BREXIT epitaph, "destroyed by its own hubris" " I’ve lost track of what the arguments for brexit are. I thought it was about money, sovereignty and borders. But it’s been said Mays deal delivers on brexit, so it can’t be this. | |||
