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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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Where do you get this stuff from?
No deal would be terrible for people in Britain.
It would mean handing over even more power to the corporate world at society’s expense.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Euro Parliament elections coming up.
The last thing they want is contagion.
A hard brexit damages our nearest neighbours.
Not nearly as much as the UK.
But it does damage.
They want to push the damage out until after May 23, basically.
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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If that is a sign of them cracking what the fuck type of state do you think we are in..
a meeting over ran by 4 whole hours, jeeze eh..
remind me how our position is after nigh on 33 months.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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Haha. This comment is beyond ridicule. But sure we may as well have a laugh.
So you’re saying that the smaller, weaker party, has a stronger hand than the bigger, more powerful trading block, And that the E.U. will be worse off losing a small part than we will be leaving a trading block which is where we currently rely upon for most of our trade. And that the government, and all the economists who say that no deal Brexit will be catastrophic for the economy are mistaken. And that the Daily Express is the single source of truth in this mad world? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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So we will bend the USA and China to our trading requirements too?
Then I'm a Leaver  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
Haha. This comment is beyond ridicule. But sure we may as well have a laugh.
So you’re saying that the smaller, weaker party, has a stronger hand than the bigger, more powerful trading block, And that the E.U. will be worse off losing a small part than we will be leaving a trading block which is where we currently rely upon for most of our trade. And that the government, and all the economists who say that no deal Brexit will be catastrophic for the economy are mistaken. And that the Daily Express is the single source of truth in this mad world?"
It’s logic but not as we know it captain! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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Is the winning card a joker. .. |
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"Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"!"
Ouch .
I just did the math,
That hurts like F*ck. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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I tend to agree with you but most on here are very ignorant so just ignore them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
I tend to agree with you but most on here are very ignorant so just ignore them"
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
Where do you get this stuff from?
No deal would be terrible for people in Britain.
It would mean handing over even more power to the corporate world at society’s expense.
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dont talk tripe |
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
I tend to agree with you but most on here are very ignorant so just ignore them"
most on here need a dummy |
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
Is the winning card a joker. .. "
look in the mirror |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
Where do you get this stuff from?
No deal would be terrible for people in Britain.
It would mean handing over even more power to the corporate world at society’s expense.
dont talk tripe "
You clearly haven’t got a clue.
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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. It took 4 hours for 27 leaders of different countries to arrive at an agreement ,,, last week in parliament , the Conservative Brexit Minister , was the final speaker in a debate in which he strongly and passionately defended the Conservative Govenments case ,,,, he then imediately voted against it ,, ,, I am afraid to say that if we are holding all the cards , then , all the cards are jokers ,,,, |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"!"
I have been told in another thread that percentages don't mean anything. It's only the absolute number that matters.
So that taught me a leason and you should learn from my "mistake" 
Just like a 4% margin is an overwhelming margin.
Just saying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"!"
Percentages are misleading.
For example, the SNP keep banging on about the 62% (or whatever it was) that voted to remain in the EU.
Let's get this straight, 1.5 million Scots voted to remain, 1 million voted to leave.
While 'only' 52% of Brits voted to leave - all 17.4 million of them.
10% of a large number is higher than 44% of a much smaller one.
Whilst we're on the subject of percentages, 20% of German car priduction comes here. That's a fifth of all German cars.
Now just imagine if the Germans lost that market - either because they could no longer export here or that tarrifs made them unaffordable.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce. |
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
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No deal exit?. It’s a problem because we have no infrastructure to handle nuclear materials for our nuclear industry and medical treatments. Our membership of Euratom ceases instantly without replacement.
It’s a problem because our planes have no right to fly in EU airspace. Our membership of Open Skies ceases instantly with no replacement.
It’s a problem because no court order will be enforceable in any other EU country, and we will not be able to extradite criminals to and from the EU. Our arrangements to do so will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because all our trade agreements, apart from a tiny handful that Fox has managed to replace, will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because our ability to share in intelligence gathered by our former EU colleagues will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because our right to move seamlessly through the ports around the country will cease instantly and be replaced by traffic jams lasting days.
It’s a problem because most of our international trade is in services - financial, legal, entertainment - and WTO has no arrangements for services. Most of our international trade will therefore be thrown instantly into confusion and may not be able to continue. Many banks and legal businesses have already set up bases in the EU, and we will simply lose their business and tax revenues.
It’s a problem because Brexiteers have demanded that we control our borders, except in Ireland where they demand that we do not control the borders. Our Schroedinger’s Borders can’t exist in the real world.
Are you starting to get the picture why no deal is such a bad idea? Many of these issues could have been resolved if Brexit leaders had not been too stupid and too lazy to solve them. But they have not been solved, and that is why no deal really cannot happen if you don’t want the country to grind to a complete halt in hours. |
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
"
Delusional at best |
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"As members struggled to reach agreement on Thursday infighting broke out between the EU superpowers with Germany leading the charge to shoe flexibility and France taking a hard line . The discussion was so fraught it overran by 4 hours .
No deal is a great negotiating power and now is the time to call the EUs bluff .
No deal will hurt the EU a lot more than the UK.
We hold the winning card.
No deal exit?. It’s a problem because we have no infrastructure to handle nuclear materials for our nuclear industry and medical treatments. Our membership of Euratom ceases instantly without replacement.
It’s a problem because our planes have no right to fly in EU airspace. Our membership of Open Skies ceases instantly with no replacement.
It’s a problem because no court order will be enforceable in any other EU country, and we will not be able to extradite criminals to and from the EU. Our arrangements to do so will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because all our trade agreements, apart from a tiny handful that Fox has managed to replace, will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because our ability to share in intelligence gathered by our former EU colleagues will cease instantly and be replaced by nothing.
It’s a problem because our right to move seamlessly through the ports around the country will cease instantly and be replaced by traffic jams lasting days.
It’s a problem because most of our international trade is in services - financial, legal, entertainment - and WTO has no arrangements for services. Most of our international trade will therefore be thrown instantly into confusion and may not be able to continue. Many banks and legal businesses have already set up bases in the EU, and we will simply lose their business and tax revenues.
It’s a problem because Brexiteers have demanded that we control our borders, except in Ireland where they demand that we do not control the borders. Our Schroedinger’s Borders can’t exist in the real world.
Are you starting to get the picture why no deal is such a bad idea? Many of these issues could have been resolved if Brexit leaders had not been too stupid and too lazy to solve them. But they have not been solved, and that is why no deal really cannot happen if you don’t want the country to grind to a complete halt in hours."
There you go again. When will you learn? Rational argument, facts and statistics, the views of experts etc are worthless when you can dream of unicorns, sunlit uplands and streets paved with blue passports |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Percentages are misleading.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce.
Interesting fact. "A fifth" is that same as 20%."
Ah, you noticed that then.
I must admit, I did throw that in deliberately |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Percentages are misleading.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce.
Interesting fact. "A fifth" is that same as 20%.
Ah, you noticed that then.
I must admit, I did throw that in deliberately "
You've been deliberately misleading. ..interesting. . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Percentages are misleading.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce.
Interesting fact. "A fifth" is that same as 20%.
Ah, you noticed that then.
I must admit, I did throw that in deliberately "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"!
Percentages are misleading.
For example, the SNP keep banging on about the 62% (or whatever it was) that voted to remain in the EU.
Let's get this straight, 1.5 million Scots voted to remain, 1 million voted to leave.
While 'only' 52% of Brits voted to leave - all 17.4 million of them.
10% of a large number is higher than 44% of a much smaller one.
Whilst we're on the subject of percentages, 20% of German car priduction comes here. That's a fifth of all German cars.
Now just imagine if the Germans lost that market - either because they could no longer export here or that tarrifs made them unaffordable.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce."
Ok let's take your car analogy:
German car exports (Google top car exports for German cars)
1. Top 15 come up
2. USA is top country for German car exports! Please note USA is not in EU, has no trade deal with the EU (important fact)
3. UK is 2nd biggest importer at €26bn - a very significant number!
4. There are only 6 EU countries in the top 15 - so that's 6 out of 26 ( not including Germany of course).
5. Those 6 add up to €70bn so 70-26= 44bn more.
6. Switzerland (on the list) who has a trade deal with the EU is at 4bn alone how much does the other 20 countries buy?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Whilst we're on the subject of percentages, 20% of German car priduction comes here. That's a fifth of all German cars.
Now just imagine if the Germans lost that market - either because they could no longer export here or that tarrifs made them unaffordable.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce."
The figure I have seen is 14 per cent, or one in seven.
Nevertheless, it never ceases to amaze me that the quitters are more concerned about protecting the jobs of car workers in Germany than they are about protecting the jobs of car workers in the UK.
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"Interesting analogy who is going to hurt the most?
In percentage terms the EU exports 10% to the UK!
The UK export 44% to the EU as the advert says " you do the maths"!
Percentages are misleading.
For example, the SNP keep banging on about the 62% (or whatever it was) that voted to remain in the EU.
Let's get this straight, 1.5 million Scots voted to remain, 1 million voted to leave.
While 'only' 52% of Brits voted to leave - all 17.4 million of them.
10% of a large number is higher than 44% of a much smaller one.
Whilst we're on the subject of percentages, 20% of German car priduction comes here. That's a fifth of all German cars.
Now just imagine if the Germans lost that market - either because they could no longer export here or that tarrifs made them unaffordable.
They'd have to lay off a fifth of their workforce."
It is 14% of car production in Germany that comes here. Please be accurate if your going to use percentages - and as others have pointed out Britain won’t stop buying German cars, they will just cost more. |
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