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"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America" They are pro-Russian liars, both. How much people must be stupid and naive to believe what they say? They are like charlatans in the Middle Ages. | |||
"Which people?" The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. | |||
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"Also why would banks invest so much money in Farage ?" Because he wants to destabilize EU , an investigation is being carried out against him, he is a pro-Russian servant, he is in Putin's pocket. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front." He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend..." If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you  | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you "And I’m supposed to give a fuck?  | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking leg end..." Ftfy..  | |||
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"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck? "If you want, you can always take pleasure in it | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend..." Man of the people? Sticking it to the establishment? Anyone given you £450,000 lately? Would you deny it if they had? | |||
"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America" The 17.4 million who voted for Brexit who else? Let's not pretend Corbyn is a man of the people either. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck? "You are meant to give a fuck. And do you know why? Because the Left want you to believe that there's a group of people out there that you should care what they think about you. It's the equivalent of a 'Stacy Stare'. Ever notice how they attack you based on how you portray yourself to others rather than how you're wrong? These people believe themselves to be the same 'stacy' that rejected them in school all those years ago.  | |||
"Every now and again I have to remind myself with whom I’m debating here. Libtard remoaners and self loathing middle class leftists. "You do not know me, you do not know who I am and what job I have. Another empty and meaningless words from the brexiter mouth. It hurts so much that someone from the center of Europe can be a class higher than you? You are a weak man, it's a waste of words on you. And time. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend..." The man is a cunt.... a charlatan... a hypocrite... and a fraud. He is a pestilence in British society | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... The man is a cunt.... a charlatan... a hypocrite... and a fraud. He is a pestilence in British society" . so your sort of on the fence | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... The man is a cunt.... a charlatan... a hypocrite... and a fraud. He is a pestilence in British society. so your sort of on the fence "Ha | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... The man is a cunt.... a charlatan... a hypocrite... and a fraud. He is a pestilence in British society" | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend..." The National Front is a French party? So they can't vote for a UK party. | |||
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"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... The man is a cunt.... a charlatan... a hypocrite... and a fraud. He is a pestilence in British society" Can’t argue with that | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You are meant to give a fuck. And do you know why? Because the Left want you to believe that there's a group of people out there that you should care what they think about you.
It's the equivalent of a 'Stacy Stare'. Ever notice how they attack you based on how you portray yourself to others rather than how you're wrong?
These people believe themselves to be the same 'stacy' that rejected them in school all those years ago.
"I think you might need a pencil to help you work that problem out! | |||
"Edit; didn't notice the NF actually had a UK party. Pathetic policies and representation though" Yeah they did back in the day, when Fascists at least had the guts to stand up and say they were Fascists- the NF came from the BUF. There's photos of a young Farage marching with them. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You are meant to give a fuck. And do you know why? Because the Left want you to believe that there's a group of people out there that you should care what they think about you.
It's the equivalent of a 'Stacy Stare'. Ever notice how they attack you based on how you portray yourself to others rather than how you're wrong?
These people believe themselves to be the same 'stacy' that rejected them in school all those years ago.
I think you might need a pencil to help you work that problem out! "Calm down White Knight, I had you foaming at the mouth in another thread. You're featherweight sunshine. | |||
"Edit; didn't notice the NF actually had a UK party. Pathetic policies and representation though Yeah they did back in the day, when Fascists at least had the guts to stand up and say they were Fascists- the NF came from the BUF. There's photos of a young Farage marching with them." Eh? So Fascists aren't the threat that the Left make out? Some one should tell the Media and the Conservatives to lift the ban on NA. | |||
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"They are the national fromt? Paisley? ... national trust maybe. Ian Paisley is a corrupt ball bag for sure....but i'm sort of sure he's not in the nf...unless you know otherwise" No, they aren't. The poster in question has been explicit in his support for the Orange order and has alluded to street activity for the NF or their ilk. | |||
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"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front." Are you saying Farage mixed with the National Front? | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. Are you saying Farage mixed with the National Front?" Yes. There are photos. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. Are you saying Farage mixed with the National Front? Yes. There are photos. " Really? There isn't. Snopes and Channel 4 fact checker prove otherwise. Run along | |||
"They are the national fromt? Paisley? ... national trust maybe. Ian Paisley is a corrupt ball bag for sure....but i'm sort of sure he's not in the nf...unless you know otherwise No, they aren't. The poster in question has been explicit in his support for the Orange order and has alluded to street activity for the NF or their ilk." I wouldn’t bother engaging x | |||
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"Edit; didn't notice the NF actually had a UK party. Pathetic policies and representation though Yeah they did back in the day, when Fascists at least had the guts to stand up and say they were Fascists- the NF came from the BUF. There's photos of a young Farage marching with them. Eh? So Fascists aren't the threat that the Left make out? Some one should tell the Media and the Conservatives to lift the ban on NA. "I don't know how you managed to make that inference from what I said. My point is that the "street warriors" of Fascism are too pussy to call themselves "Fascists" or "blackshirts" these days, so they hide behind terms like "Britain First" or "Alt-right". | |||
"Does he march along the streets of N.Ireland and Rep of Ireland on July 12th?" I don't know, ask him. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of "Great argument, well done. | |||
"Does he march along the streets of N.Ireland and Rep of Ireland on July 12th? I don't know, ask him. " but you're the expert!?... find out if nobbend farage marches with the orangemen N and S Ireland! You said you had pictures! | |||
"Does he march along the streets of N.Ireland and Rep of Ireland on July 12th? I don't know, ask him. but you're the expert!?... find out if nobbend farage marches with the orangemen N and S Ireland! You said you had pictures!" Remember when you called yourself a wanker on another thread ? Guess what ? Spot on | |||
"Does he march along the streets of N.Ireland and Rep of Ireland on July 12th? I don't know, ask him. but you're the expert!?... find out if nobbend farage marches with the orangemen N and S Ireland! You said you had pictures!" My posts to you weren't about Farage. I've pmd you. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done. "There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it. Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.  | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
"Way to miss the point. But also, no. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no. "The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of. It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it. | |||
Some peaches just love to buy into that to affirm their bias. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it. "Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views. Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though. 2/10 poor. | |||
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"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor. "Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land. You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out. It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey. Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words. Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you. And when these words don't work you have nothing left. So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front. 
10/10 for original thought though | |||
"Farage has milked every one of us for power and money, as well as ensuring that he's set up very comfortably for life at our expense. His taxpayer funded pension each year will be more than most people have ever earned themselves. Before you gave him a platinum retirement period, he obviously was not a man of the people either. His lies are towards the levels of criminal abhorrent sociopaths. Some people will abuse your good faith and be happy to see you strung up or down and out, after they leech your assets. This man said recently but he was broke. He lives in a multi-millions home and has had the gall to get decent people to pay £25 and more to fund his current campaign. UK citizens deserved far better than such vermin, whatever their political or EU position. . " Agreed Farage is a slime ball like all politicians. Anyone voting for the Brexit Party is simply stroking Farages ego. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though "I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that. Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices? Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of? | |||
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"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?"I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists. What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest. "I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology. Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)? What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts. If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons. | |||
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"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons."Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right. Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State. And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party. You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist. 
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character. | |||
"It's mildly amusing that although I've got family friends who lived under Franco, I apparently know nothing about Fascism...... "Awww didums, why don't you go and draw a gold star with crayons next to your name? Oops don't take that the wrong way. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character. "
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself. | |||
"It's mildly amusing that although I've got family friends who lived under Franco, I apparently know nothing about Fascism......
Awww didums, why don't you go and draw a gold star with crayons next to your name? Oops don't take that the wrong way.
"I haven't. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself."Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice. You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland. Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
"
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is."Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation. I maybe should of said in it's simplest terms on paper, in practise it doesn't work. And you are lazily labelling certain groups as Fascists because it's an emotionally charged buzzword. Which ticks the virtue virtues singling boxes and fits with your ideological worldview. You haven't demonstrated how Britain first which if anything is just an Anti-Muslim street organisation are Fascist or that the Alt-Right (blanket term) are fascist. Also you still haven't manned up and admitted that you were wrong and spread false information as it fits with your narrative. Next you'll be telling me Real Communism hasn't been tried. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation. "It absolutely doesn't. Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post. The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic. | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation.
It absolutely doesn't.
Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post.
The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic. "It too late because the mob has spoken! Monorail! | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation.
It absolutely doesn't.
Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post.
The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic.
It too late because the mob has spoken! Monorail!
"Monorail, monorail, MONORAAAAAIL... | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation.
It absolutely doesn't.
Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post.
The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic. "I've read Mussolini's Bio, Moselys 101 questions on Fascism and other works. I have an idea and an understanding of what Fascism entails. Nation above the individual, it's collectivism neither Left or Right but in itself a third position of sorts. You still haven't demonstrated how Britain First or the Alt Right are fascists. So please educate me, Mr. I know what Fascism is because I have family friends who lived under Franco. Do go ahead and explained to me what you think Fascism is? | |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation.
It absolutely doesn't.
Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post.
The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic.
It too late because the mob has spoken! Monorail!
Monorail, monorail, MONORAAAAAIL... "Mono! D’oh! | |||
| |||
"Look you're wrong. End of
Great argument, well done.
There's no argument to be had. You've fallen victim of a miscaption. Own up to it.
Also regarding "Street warriors" calm down mate you were most likely crying and checking under your bed for fascists when the EDL and the rest of them were active.
Way to miss the point.
But also, no.
The point is 'fascist' is just an emotionally charged buzzwords people like to use to try and shame people with views which don't match the narrative of the 'group' said person believes he's apart of.
It's embarrassing watching you parrot the same view points as everyone else on the Left has. It's like you're incapable of making your own opinions but then again that's just your White Privilege showing...Totton is 93% White isn't it.
Not for me it isn't. I know what Fascism is. I do like the section of your post where you vainly try to justify the fact that I don't like Fascists as being intolerant of "other views" though, its almost like you didn't get my point about the alt right being massive snowflakes and had to prove it by showing the world how offended you are and how your feelings have been hurt by the nasty socialist challenging your views.
Interesting and utterly irrelevant link to white privilege though. It's a bit of a slow handicap moment though, considering I'm criticising white supremacists though.
2/10 poor.
Lived under Fascism have you? Bore off mate. You're a keyboard warrior living in a fantasy land.
You wouldn't know a fascist if he curb stomped as you think Fascists hide that their fascists but some how you can sniff them out.
It's very relevant as to where you're from as with most on the Left they're either naive teens trying to fit in or out of touch ivory tower Crusaders of minorities because lets not forget minorities are incapable of defending themselves or advancing their own causes without the helping hand of guilt ridden Whitey.
Fascist, White Supremacist, Nazi! Buzzwords with no real world meaning as outside of your little drum circle words are just words.
Powerless unless you allow them to have power over you.
And when these words don't work you have nothing left.
So again Nigel wasn't in the National Front nor is their a picture of him with the National Front.
10/10 for original thought though
I'm well aware of what Fascism is. Nazism (not the same thing) didn't begin with concentration camps. I call the National Front fascists because they are. You still seem to want to cry about that.
Have you actually got a point other than you've projected some fantasy stereotype into me based on your own prejudices?
Again, I don't like Fascists, and you seem to be at great pains to rubbish that idea. What are you afraid of?
I don't think you have a clue what fascism is when you think Britain First and the Alt-Right (a blanket term for a number of different schools of thought) are some how crypto fascists.
What am I to be afraid of? Fascists don't scare me, you seem to see them every where.
My point is clear. You're a weak willed individual who clings to the herd because social acceptance is more important than facts hence the reason why you still haven't owned up to you being tricked by a miscaption as it goes against your pre programmed narrative.
NPC at it's finest.
I think that they are Fascists because they have Fascist policies and follow a Fascist ideology.
Since, apparently you are the expert, in what way do the values of the National front differ from the values of classic Fascism (Mussolini would be a good starting point if you don't know what Fascism is)?
What herd are you talking about by the way? Once again, you are lazily trying to project values you believe I have from somewhere on the internet as opposed to the values I actually hold, based on my forum posts.
If you are going to argue, at least try to have a point, otherwise you come across like the village idiot shouting at the pigeons.
Who's talking about the National Front? You said Facists now hide under the guise of Britain First and the Alt-Right.
Britain First as far as I'm aware never declared that they would cease the means of production for the good of the Nation State.
And the Alt-Right as I have just said is a blanket term used by the media to describe a number of different schools of thought amongst those on the Right. They aren't a singular group or a political party.
You clearly don't know what fascism is and I have demonstrated this and again rather than addressing what I have said you deflect and start talking about the National Front. For what reason I don't know as I never said they weren't Fascist.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's most probably is a duck. Pretty much sums you up, you must think I've never read your opinions and views on this forum before.
So let's clear things up abit shall we? You don't know what Fascism is, yet you hate Fascists.
You think the Alt Right is a singularity?
You still wont allow yourself to break away from the narrative that Farage is bad because of a miscaptioned photo you seen on Twitter.
And your views, opinions and values on certain subjects have been formed and created by Left leaning media such as buzzfeed and the Guardian.
I'll say it once more, typical Non Playable Character.
Seizing the mode of production?
What are you on about?
I'm taking about Fascism, you appear to be talking about Stalinism.
Fascism and Nazism were essentially gangster capitalism, cronyism was strong and Krupps (for example) made lots of money.
If you are going to criticise me for accusing people of being Fascists, youd do well to know what Fascism actually is.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh dear...Fascism at it's core was this: the good of the nation is everything not the people. This means that the means of production was for the nation not the people. Everything was about putting the nation first regardless of the sacrifice.
You do realise that Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days who praised Karl Marx and preached violent revolution? His ideas evolved from his time in Switzerland.
Again it hurts me so much that you continue to play for an audience as if I should seek their approval and somehow care.
No Fascist state has ever centralised the means of production.
Please actually learn what Fascism is before you attempt to talk about it.
What Mussolini (and Hitler) did before the war is utterly irrelevant.
Their worldview was shared by surviving ww1, Mussolini wanted a return to traditional values, and to that end supported the former king of Sardinia. His black shirts maintained "law and order" by beating up socialists and trade unionists.
I've no idea how you can say I'm lazily labelling certain groups Fascists when you clearly have no idea what Fascism is.
Nor did I state that any Fascist state ever did centralise the means of production. I said at it's core the Nation/State comes above everything else, that would in theory mean centralising the means of production for the good of the nation.
It absolutely doesn't.
Perhaps go and read about/understand Fascism before you post.
The irony of you criticising me for calling people Fascists but failing to understand Fascism would be amusing if it wasn't mildly tragic.
I've read Mussolini's Bio, Moselys 101 questions on Fascism and other works. I have an idea and an understanding of what Fascism entails. Nation above the individual, it's collectivism neither Left or Right but in itself a third position of sorts.
You still haven't demonstrated how Britain First or the Alt Right are fascists. So please educate me, Mr. I know what Fascism is because I have family friends who lived under Franco.
Do go ahead and explained to me what you think Fascism is?
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"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America" The gentleman in question has dedicated his entire life to campaigning for leaving the EU. By listening to people and their concerns he has eventually achieved hid aim. It is difficult to see why anyone would have any interest in how Aaron Banks spends his money. He built up a very successfull insurance brokerage and is simply spending the awards of both his hard work and the risks he took . . | |||
"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America The gentleman in question has dedicated his entire life to campaigning for leaving the EU. By listening to people and their concerns he has eventually achieved hid aim. It is difficult to see why anyone would have any interest in how Aaron Banks spends his money. He built up a very successfull insurance brokerage and is simply spending the awards of both his hard work and the risks he took . ." Are you happy with bribery ,dodgy diamond deals and Russian money.Hes been a busy boy in Africa.Hes shady character but you'll look the other way if it suits. A dodgy geezer supports a dodgy geezer you wouldn't buy a second hand car from. | |||
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"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You are meant to give a fuck. And do you know why? Because the Left want you to believe that there's a group of people out there that you should care what they think about you.
It's the equivalent of a 'Stacy Stare'. Ever notice how they attack you based on how you portray yourself to others rather than how you're wrong?
These people believe themselves to be the same 'stacy' that rejected them in school all those years ago.
I think you might need a pencil to help you work that problem out!
Calm down White Knight, I had you foaming at the mouth in another thread. You're featherweight sunshine. "Oh dear....perhaps you would be better off with a shovel? | |||
"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America The gentleman in question has dedicated his entire life to campaigning for leaving the EU. By listening to people and their concerns he has eventually achieved hid aim. It is difficult to see why anyone would have any interest in how Aaron Banks spends his money. He built up a very successfull insurance brokerage and is simply spending the awards of both his hard work and the risks he took . ." Farage is an elected politician. There is a requirement to declare financial interests. Is this requirement in some way unnecessary? Farage has failed to declare the receipt of such financial gifts. In fact he has denied he received them. These are not small sums. This is not an oversight. Banks has confirmed that the payments were made. That is lying on a grand scale. Is that OK? Why should he be trusted as a liar any more than any other politician? He lives a life that normal people do not with no understanding of money apparently. That is what Banks said. Why then should he be trusted on his assurances that economic penalties will be low and benefits high for ordinary people outside of the EU when he is an entitled member of the economic elite? | |||
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You should become a politician Jim. As you dodge the questions, dance around the facts and parrot pre-programmed talking points.
"I don't like Fascists because of Fascism...Brexit Man Bad."
So brave, so woke. "Dodged the questions that you didn't ask, you mean? Also, your assumption that I'm some sort of stereotype becomes even more laughable when I've made my view on BREXIT very clear on these forums.... | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage." I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. | |||
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"wow all these illegal things banks and farrage are apparently guilty of im surprised there not doing a long stretch inside if they are that shady "All the posters who have knowledge of illegal activities should pass it on to the police instead of spreading wild allegations on here! | |||
"wow all these illegal things banks and farrage are apparently guilty of im surprised there not doing a long stretch inside if they are that shady
All the posters who have knowledge of illegal activities should pass it on to the police instead of spreading wild allegations on here! "i know right.its amazing people on a swingers site have all this info about illegal activity but the plod are blind to it | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.." Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq. | |||
"wow all these illegal things banks and farrage are apparently guilty of im surprised there not doing a long stretch inside if they are that shady
All the posters who have knowledge of illegal activities should pass it on to the police instead of spreading wild allegations on here!
i know right.its amazing people on a swingers site have all this info about illegal activity but the plod are blind to it "The only charges likely to be brought are for wasting police time with all these wild allegations! | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq. "Assumptions really make you look daft. My views are less valid because Southampton has lots of white people? That's fucking bonkers. Had it ever occurred to you that people don't stay in one place their whole life, by the way. Also, you have no idea about my ideology, yet you persist with your ridiculous conjecture. The fact that you are so desperate to show horn people into lazy stereotypes is funny. Presumably it's so you can copy and paste arguments you've learned somewhere without having to apply any thought to them.... | |||
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"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth?" . I'm scared of my own shadow- I keep thinking it's Hank Marvin | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq.
Assumptions really make you look daft.
My views are less valid because Southampton has lots of white people?
That's fucking bonkers.
Had it ever occurred to you that people don't stay in one place their whole life, by the way.
Also, you have no idea about my ideology, yet you persist with your ridiculous conjecture. The fact that you are so desperate to show horn people into lazy stereotypes is funny. Presumably it's so you can copy and paste arguments you've learned somewhere without having to apply any thought to them...."Isn't that exactly what you do? Pre programmed responses from an ideological perspective? Brexit man bad? Yeah pretty sure it is boyo. Your views are crystal clear to anyone who has paid attention since 2016. Pro immigration, pro refugee, pro EU. I'm not shoe horning you at all. I can read you like a book because you say the same thing as everyone else to maintain social acceptance. No original thought at all. It's glaringly obvious as well because you still can't take your rose tinted glasses off and answer the questions and points I've made. This is just a game to me. You aren't that much entertaining but it passes my time on shift. | |||
"wow all these illegal things banks and farrage are apparently guilty of im surprised there not doing a long stretch inside if they are that shady "I have quoted one specific thing. Confirmed by Banks and denied by Farage. Which one's the liar? If true is it alright not to declare your financial interests as an elected politician? | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth?" I stated at the start of this thread that it may make no difference to voting, which is interesting in itself. However, if true is it alright not to declare your financial interests as an elected politician? | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth?" What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion." It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. | |||
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"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth?" I am sure you read tons of garbage and will happily vote for the brexit party, but don't forget that millions of 'Good Germans' voted for the Nazi's and were happy to follow Hitler straight into WW2. Hitler also claimed to be a man of the people, thought the whole of Europe was out to do down his country, made really compelling speeches when allowed to get into full flow and said repeat a lie long and loud enough and people will start to believe it. I for one always get scared when I see anyone using the same rhetoric as Hitler, it makes me fearful that they harbour plans to emulate Hitler in other ways too. No I am sure you will tell me I am being melodramatic, and you may be correct. But personally I would rather not take the chance no matter how remote it is. Just my view and opinion for what it is worth, and that is nothing I know. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? I am sure you read tons of garbage and will happily vote for the brexit party, but don't forget that millions of 'Good Germans' voted for the Nazi's and were happy to follow Hitler straight into WW2. Hitler also claimed to be a man of the people, thought the whole of Europe was out to do down his country, made really compelling speeches when allowed to get into full flow and said repeat a lie long and loud enough and people will start to believe it. I for one always get scared when I see anyone using the same rhetoric as Hitler, it makes me fearful that they harbour plans to emulate Hitler in other ways too. No I am sure you will tell me I am being melodramatic, and you may be correct. But personally I would rather not take the chance no matter how remote it is. Just my view and opinion for what it is worth, and that is nothing I know." . you are being melodramatic | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different." Dream on. If you think our integration with Europe is purely about trade, you do not understand the nature of the relationship. And you are quite correct, in any negotiation where one party is 10 times larger than the other, it is not a negotiation of equals. Not at all. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different." 40% of our imports/exports go/come from the eu. Of the large eu countries at least none does more than 7 or 8%. We are a lot easier to replace than they are. That's why they haven't blinked. Ans why we'd be dancing to their tune. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different." Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” | |||
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"China, the US and the EU account for 50-60 per cent of world trade. The UK is something like 2 per cent. You get into bed with one of the big three, basically. We turned our back on the EU, so that leaves the US or China. The idea the UK is going to forge some new global set of rules is for the birds. " You are right. And we will simply continue to adhere to EU laws, rules and regulations without having any say in them. The EU have made their own no deal contingencies and guess what - the U.K. has no option but to adhere to those contingencies unless it really does want to sail off the edge of the planet. RuleTaker #BrexitWin | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq.
Assumptions really make you look daft.
My views are less valid because Southampton has lots of white people?
That's fucking bonkers.
Had it ever occurred to you that people don't stay in one place their whole life, by the way.
Also, you have no idea about my ideology, yet you persist with your ridiculous conjecture. The fact that you are so desperate to show horn people into lazy stereotypes is funny. Presumably it's so you can copy and paste arguments you've learned somewhere without having to apply any thought to them....
Isn't that exactly what you do? Pre programmed responses from an ideological perspective?
Brexit man bad?
Yeah pretty sure it is boyo. Your views are crystal clear to anyone who has paid attention since 2016.
Pro immigration, pro refugee, pro EU.
I'm not shoe horning you at all. I can read you like a book because you say the same thing as everyone else to maintain social acceptance. No original thought at all.
It's glaringly obvious as well because you still can't take your rose tinted glasses off and answer the questions and points I've made.
This is just a game to me. You aren't that much entertaining but it passes my time on shift.
"Try reading my posts ya eejit, you're making yourself look daft. Starter for 10: I've been vocally anti-EU, pro BREXIT on these boards. I'll say it again: people aren't stereotypes. I know why you are attempting to shoe-horn me into one, its because you've no original thoughts, just someone else's arguments you've taken from elsewhere, which you desperately need me to fit a stereotype for them to "work". I would say "nice try" but it wasn't, it was a shit effort. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different." Farage is an elected politician. There is a requirement to declare financial interests. Is this requirement in some way unnecessary? Farage has failed to declare the receipt of such financial gifts. In fact he has denied he received them. These are not small sums. This is not an oversight. Banks has confirmed that the payments were made. That is lying on a grand scale. Is that OK? Why should he be trusted as a liar any more than any other politician? He lives a life that normal people do not with no understanding of money apparently. That is what Banks said. Why then should he be trusted on his assurances that economic penalties will be low and benefits high for ordinary people outside of the EU when he is an entitled member of the economic elite? Have Japan, Korea, Canada, China and the USA been eager to give us beneficial deals? The USAs latest trade deal with Mexico and Canada prevent them from negotiating with China. The USA has threatened all companies from all countries with sanctions and prosecution if trading with Iran. Our sovereign policy is to engage with Iran. Our sovereign policy may be to use Huawei technology as we see fit but the USA will not play with us if we do? Taking our country back are we? | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? I am sure you read tons of garbage and will happily vote for the brexit party, but don't forget that millions of 'Good Germans' voted for the Nazi's and were happy to follow Hitler straight into WW2. Hitler also claimed to be a man of the people, thought the whole of Europe was out to do down his country, made really compelling speeches when allowed to get into full flow and said repeat a lie long and loud enough and people will start to believe it. I for one always get scared when I see anyone using the same rhetoric as Hitler, it makes me fearful that they harbour plans to emulate Hitler in other ways too. No I am sure you will tell me I am being melodramatic, and you may be correct. But personally I would rather not take the chance no matter how remote it is. Just my view and opinion for what it is worth, and that is nothing I know." Everyone I don't like is Hitler. | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq.
Assumptions really make you look daft.
My views are less valid because Southampton has lots of white people?
That's fucking bonkers.
Had it ever occurred to you that people don't stay in one place their whole life, by the way.
Also, you have no idea about my ideology, yet you persist with your ridiculous conjecture. The fact that you are so desperate to show horn people into lazy stereotypes is funny. Presumably it's so you can copy and paste arguments you've learned somewhere without having to apply any thought to them....
Isn't that exactly what you do? Pre programmed responses from an ideological perspective?
Brexit man bad?
Yeah pretty sure it is boyo. Your views are crystal clear to anyone who has paid attention since 2016.
Pro immigration, pro refugee, pro EU.
I'm not shoe horning you at all. I can read you like a book because you say the same thing as everyone else to maintain social acceptance. No original thought at all.
It's glaringly obvious as well because you still can't take your rose tinted glasses off and answer the questions and points I've made.
This is just a game to me. You aren't that much entertaining but it passes my time on shift.
Try reading my posts ya eejit, you're making yourself look daft.
Starter for 10: I've been vocally anti-EU, pro BREXIT on these boards.
I'll say it again: people aren't stereotypes. I know why you are attempting to shoe-horn me into one, its because you've no original thoughts, just someone else's arguments you've taken from elsewhere, which you desperately need me to fit a stereotype for them to "work".
I would say "nice try" but it wasn't, it was a shit effort. "Are you still going on? I don't care Jim you have no inner monologue, your whole world view comes from indoctrinated media view points, buzzwords and virtue signaling. Fascism is Fascist and I don't like Fascism. Yet can't demonstrate how Britain First or the Alt Right (blanket term) are fascist. I suspect you've never read any works of actual fascists to know what Fascism is and have just formed your view based on what opponents with ideological biases have presented. I have and presented the theoretical core principle of what Fascism meant to those who supported it and created it. Collectivism neither Left or Right, Nation/State above the individual. Brexit man bad...because? National Front... You jumped on a miscaptioned tweet and presented it as if it's truth without even looking into said picture or source yet you speak of bo original thought? Laughable. I'm done with this for now, not because I concede my position but simply because I've finished with work for the week. Cheerio and enjoy the weather | |||
"Snopes is at best, ambivalent: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nigel-farage-martin-webster-photo/ Read the whole fact check and you learn that it isn't Farage. I read it. It says it's not been confirmed who it is.. Yet you still stand by that it's Farage with no other evidence than a miscaptioned Twitter post. You're embarrassing mate. Still deflecting and dodging, moving the goal posts and changing the subject. I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about your inability to concede due to your ideological bias based on nothing but buzzwords and sensationalism. You've have no real life experience outside of your 93% White majority area to be able to form a worthwhile opinion on the politcal landscape or the undercurrent of anger amongst mostly working class communities at the political establishments intability to put words into action which has stretched as far back to that phony war in Iraq.
Assumptions really make you look daft.
My views are less valid because Southampton has lots of white people?
That's fucking bonkers.
Had it ever occurred to you that people don't stay in one place their whole life, by the way.
Also, you have no idea about my ideology, yet you persist with your ridiculous conjecture. The fact that you are so desperate to show horn people into lazy stereotypes is funny. Presumably it's so you can copy and paste arguments you've learned somewhere without having to apply any thought to them....
Isn't that exactly what you do? Pre programmed responses from an ideological perspective?
Brexit man bad?
Yeah pretty sure it is boyo. Your views are crystal clear to anyone who has paid attention since 2016.
Pro immigration, pro refugee, pro EU.
I'm not shoe horning you at all. I can read you like a book because you say the same thing as everyone else to maintain social acceptance. No original thought at all.
It's glaringly obvious as well because you still can't take your rose tinted glasses off and answer the questions and points I've made.
This is just a game to me. You aren't that much entertaining but it passes my time on shift.
Try reading my posts ya eejit, you're making yourself look daft.
Starter for 10: I've been vocally anti-EU, pro BREXIT on these boards.
I'll say it again: people aren't stereotypes. I know why you are attempting to shoe-horn me into one, its because you've no original thoughts, just someone else's arguments you've taken from elsewhere, which you desperately need me to fit a stereotype for them to "work".
I would say "nice try" but it wasn't, it was a shit effort.
Are you still going on? I don't care Jim you have no inner monologue, your whole world view comes from indoctrinated media view points, buzzwords and virtue signaling.
Fascism is Fascist and I don't like Fascism.
Yet can't demonstrate how Britain First or the Alt Right (blanket term) are fascist.
I suspect you've never read any works of actual fascists to know what Fascism is and have just formed your view based on what opponents with ideological biases have presented.
I have and presented the theoretical core principle of what Fascism meant to those who supported it and created it.
Collectivism neither Left or Right, Nation/State above the individual.
Brexit man bad...because? National Front...
You jumped on a miscaptioned tweet and presented it as if it's truth without even looking into said picture or source yet you speak of bo original thought?
Laughable.
I'm done with this for now, not because I concede my position but simply because I've finished with work for the week.
Cheerio and enjoy the weather "Ooh look man with big head do much thinking....he so clever....we must all be quiet and listen to big words he use....do not speak against him for you will be stoopid for rest of time! | |||
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"She's still not sleeping with you dude. I know rejection is hard but you'll find someone "pmsl | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck? "You I feel are a person with , Nothing ! To lose Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
"so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know | |||
"She's still not sleeping with you dude. I know rejection is hard but you'll find someone "Ha ha ha well done - youre so clever | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know"Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me. Empathy is a real thing in some people. From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is. Does that make sense to you? Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician? | |||
"... Read a lot of this garbage The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. " Yes, there is a lot of garbage to read and think about. It's a fantasy that the UK could just get the best deals rolling in, almost as if by magic, that was also included in the lies before the referendum. The disgraced former Defence Secretary Liam Fox and others tried to fool people along those lines. No deal hasn't been accepted by government as a credible option, with the understanding that it's a terrible way to continue. If the government had had a plan, before submitting Article 50, it wouldn't have potentially squandered the 2 years that it had for negotiations. As the conservatives didn't have agreement amongst themselves on what they wanted and the time's out, then any intelligent person would understand that Article 50 should be revoked. Doing this puts the UK back into a position of control, so that it could resubmit it any point, when government is sure about what it wants, thereby having the current non-existent resource of time being reinstated. Nothing as complex as this, with seemingly all sides at odds with each other, could reasonably be expected to be completed past the eleventh hour - especially when one party, the UK, isn't on an equal footing. Wanting the best for the UK means taking back control by revocation Article 50. | |||
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"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know
Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me.
Empathy is a real thing in some people.
From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is.
Does that make sense to you?
Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician?"as far as farrage goes i think he is as honest as 99% of politicians there all full of shit. and as everyone loves pointing out its the uneducated who voted to leave so the educated must be in a minority perhaps you can save the plebs from themselves? im not botherd one way or the other what way it goes didnt vote first time round wont be voting in any other vote they may have on it and wont be voting on thursday.one thing though everyone says there got to be a new way of doing politics well you have to break this way first and that gona invole some pain for everyone. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know
Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me.
Empathy is a real thing in some people.
From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is.
Does that make sense to you?
Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician?
as far as farrage goes i think he is as honest as 99% of politicians there all full of shit. and as everyone loves pointing out its the uneducated who voted to leave so the educated must be in a minority perhaps you can save the plebs from themselves? im not botherd one way or the other what way it goes didnt vote first time round wont be voting in any other vote they may have on it and wont be voting on thursday.one thing though everyone says there got to be a new way of doing politics well you have to break this way first and that gona invole some pain for everyone. "What pain exactly? Easily said. What does that mean? Some poverty? Some rioting? A bit of maiming? The odd death? What do we get instead? A nice, comfortable "strong leader" so that nobody needs to make any decisions? You can stir as much as you like but you don't actually have anything useful to add as far as I can see. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know
Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me.
Empathy is a real thing in some people.
From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is.
Does that make sense to you?
Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician?
as far as farrage goes i think he is as honest as 99% of politicians there all full of shit. and as everyone loves pointing out its the uneducated who voted to leave so the educated must be in a minority perhaps you can save the plebs from themselves? im not botherd one way or the other what way it goes didnt vote first time round wont be voting in any other vote they may have on it and wont be voting on thursday.one thing though everyone says there got to be a new way of doing politics well you have to break this way first and that gona invole some pain for everyone. "Just for the record, uneducated does is not the same as foolish or stupid. It just means less well educated. | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know
Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me.
Empathy is a real thing in some people.
From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is.
Does that make sense to you?
Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician?
as far as farrage goes i think he is as honest as 99% of politicians there all full of shit. and as everyone loves pointing out its the uneducated who voted to leave so the educated must be in a minority perhaps you can save the plebs from themselves? im not botherd one way or the other what way it goes didnt vote first time round wont be voting in any other vote they may have on it and wont be voting on thursday.one thing though everyone says there got to be a new way of doing politics well you have to break this way first and that gona invole some pain for everyone.
Just for the record, uneducated does is not the same as foolish or stupid.
It just means less well educated."dress it up whatever way u like mate | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend... If he is a legend for you, I feel sorry for you
And I’m supposed to give a fuck?
You I feel are a person with ,
Nothing !
To lose
Sadly from your attitude and actions and many like you there are good people who do have and will lose , its disapointing humanity develops humans with malevolent sadistic regards towards others
so people with nothing to lose should take those into account who do have something to lose? do the peeps who have nothing to lose ever enter your reasons for wanting to remain? just intrested me personaly it gona make no difference to my life watever happens and i think most ppl only think about family and people they know
Actually, I do think about people less fortunate than me.
Empathy is a real thing in some people.
From a purely selfish perspective, the better educated and prosperous that my neighbours are, both nationally and internationally, the less they envy those with slightly more and the safer everyone is.
Does that make sense to you?
Returning to the actual thread, is it alright for Garage to get free money and not declare it as a politician? Does that make his promises more or less believable than any other politician?
as far as farrage goes i think he is as honest as 99% of politicians there all full of shit. and as everyone loves pointing out its the uneducated who voted to leave so the educated must be in a minority perhaps you can save the plebs from themselves? im not botherd one way or the other what way it goes didnt vote first time round wont be voting in any other vote they may have on it and wont be voting on thursday.one thing though everyone says there got to be a new way of doing politics well you have to break this way first and that gona invole some pain for everyone.
Just for the record, uneducated does is not the same as foolish or stupid.
It just means less well educated.
dress it up whatever way u like mate "Nothing to "dress up". I have no idea what point you are making. You just seem to be repeating a phrase. Well done | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Farage is an elected politician. There is a requirement to declare financial interests. Is this requirement in some way unnecessary? Farage has failed to declare the receipt of such financial gifts. In fact he has denied he received them. These are not small sums. This is not an oversight. Banks has confirmed that the payments were made. That is lying on a grand scale. Is that OK? Why should he be trusted as a liar any more than any other politician? He lives a life that normal people do not with no understanding of money apparently. That is what Banks said. Why then should he be trusted on his assurances that economic penalties will be low and benefits high for ordinary people outside of the EU when he is an entitled member of the economic elite? Have Japan, Korea, Canada, China and the USA been eager to give us beneficial deals? The USAs latest trade deal with Mexico and Canada prevent them from negotiating with China. The USA has threatened all companies from all countries with sanctions and prosecution if trading with Iran. Our sovereign policy is to engage with Iran. Our sovereign policy may be to use Huawei technology as we see fit but the USA will not play with us if we do? Taking our country back are we?" Why would anyone have any interest in his financial affairs . The transactions to which you refer were not funded by the tax payer so it difficult to see what relevance they have. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.”" No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself " #PredictablePat | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself " not having tariffs and frictional costs help aid importing and exporting so add economic benefit. If you want proof you can go search. I doing this right? | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself not having tariffs and frictional costs help aid importing and exporting so add economic benefit. If you want proof you can go search. I doing this right? " However the question is does the cost justifify the benefits? . This is the question to which no one has an answer. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself not having tariffs and frictional costs help aid importing and exporting so add economic benefit. If you want proof you can go search. I doing this right? However the question is does the cost justifify the benefits? . This is the question to which no one has an answer. " Of course the costs justify the benefits. The cost to each country of having its own standards agencies for food, agriculture, transport, medicines, trade, financial services and more would be way more than the combined cost of the single EU Agency. Add to that the benefit of being able to share joint ventures that have a global reach - like Airbus and Galilleo as well as the beneficial trade deals that are negotiated in favour of the U.K. because of the power of the EU position in trade talks. Then we have the relative strength of the U.K. economy because of our membership of the EU. I recall some figures released late last year that the UK economy has visibly shrunk since June 2016 meaning that tax receipts have reduced to an amount already exceeding the mythical £350 million per week and we have not even left yet. So, all in all - the cost of EU membership which I read somewhere is about £17 per person per year is a subscription that is more than worth it. Especially if - as seems highly likely the Govt is going to have to spend ten times that amount just to replace what we lose and have none of the benefits. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself not having tariffs and frictional costs help aid importing and exporting so add economic benefit. If you want proof you can go search. I doing this right? However the question is does the cost justifify the benefits? . This is the question to which no one has an answer. Of course the costs justify the benefits. The cost to each country of having its own standards agencies for food, agriculture, transport, medicines, trade, financial services and more would be way more than the combined cost of the single EU Agency. Add to that the benefit of being able to share joint ventures that have a global reach - like Airbus and Galilleo as well as the beneficial trade deals that are negotiated in favour of the U.K. because of the power of the EU position in trade talks. Then we have the relative strength of the U.K. economy because of our membership of the EU. I recall some figures released late last year that the UK economy has visibly shrunk since June 2016 meaning that tax receipts have reduced to an amount already exceeding the mythical £350 million per week and we have not even left yet. So, all in all - the cost of EU membership which I read somewhere is about £17 per person per year is a subscription that is more than worth it. Especially if - as seems highly likely the Govt is going to have to spend ten times that amount just to replace what we lose and have none of the benefits." Intersting use of the word of course. I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. | |||
"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Let us assume that you are correct about trade - a few like Minford, Farage and others have clearly well groomed you, but let’s humour you and agree that “trade” can be resolved. What about the non trade issues which impact every single thing that goes on in this country day by day? We share costs and responsibility for shared standards, regulations and rules across multiple Agencies all of which will immediately cease. Such impacted Agencies are financial services, DEFRA, Home Office (Security), fishing, agriculture, CAA, Medicines and the NHS, The Arts, Sport, Education and many, many more. By what legal standing and recognition in the world will the U.K. operate when it unilaterally decides that we no longer adhere to and recognise EU laws and regulations? Do you think that would happen an if it did would it be a good thing? Or do you think that the U.K. would simply adopt the position of being the EU’s bitch and simply agree to continue recognising and adhering to all those rules and regulations because we have neither the time, money or resources to replicate them and get them globally recognised and accepted in law? I am now expecting your stock and frankly pathetic deflection answer that goes something like... “discussions on a site like this are meaningless”, whilst failing to see the irony of your own “assertive” posts on “a site like this.” No one disputes that we will need to create new agencies and standards or come to agreements with existing ones. The crux of the matter is that no one is able to explain in financial terms how being a member of the EU helps the UK . Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU. An analysis of the net contribution tables for the past 20 years by country illustrates that these contributions are totally skewed. I am confident that if you wanted detailed answers to the questions which you asked you already have access to the answers and as such it would be pointless asking a poster such as myself not having tariffs and frictional costs help aid importing and exporting so add economic benefit. If you want proof you can go search. I doing this right? However the question is does the cost justifify the benefits? . This is the question to which no one has an answer. " Given the complexities of economies its not a straight forward answer. But its one both sides of the argument have to think harder about. Leavers have to put a CBA of leaving. Here's my take. You seem to have acceoeted being a member is a help, and now want to know if the help is worth the cost. The cost, after rebates and Cap payments etc is c 1.2% of government spending. For simplicity let's assume spending is equal to tax. For the EU cost benefit analysis to fail, tax receipts have to reduce by less than 1.2%,if we were to leave the EU. That's a small window in my mind to be gambling with. If leavers are right we save 1‰ of our taxes. And that assumes there are no benefits. If they are wrong, it could be a lot more. And as most accept there are some benefits of free and frictionless trade it feels to me there's very little room to make a financial CBA case for leaving. | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. " You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. | |||
"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America" So outside of what everyone thinks of Farage how is this any different to MP's fleecing us for second homes, us paying quite literally every single expense they have from mortgage payments to bog roll. Then when their time is up they are swiftly made non executive board of whatever company they've been surreptitiously promoting/giving contracts to while an MP/Cabinet member Etc. Many MP's go on funded trips around the world its not something new, Pretty sure I remember David Mellor getting it in the neck years ago for trips to Mauritius & staying on some millionaire businessman's yacht. Least this is a bit more up front & obvious. S | |||
"Which people? I doubt this will change any people's voting intentions, which is interesting. I'd like to know what his apologists have to say... https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farages-funding-secrets-revealed Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America So outside of what everyone thinks of Farage how is this any different to MP's fleecing us for second homes, us paying quite literally every single expense they have from mortgage payments to bog roll. Then when their time is up they are swiftly made non executive board of whatever company they've been surreptitiously promoting/giving contracts to while an MP/Cabinet member Etc. Many MP's go on funded trips around the world its not something new, Pretty sure I remember David Mellor getting it in the neck years ago for trips to Mauritius & staying on some millionaire businessman's yacht. Least this is a bit more up front & obvious. S" The difference is that Banks is under criminal investigation and there are questions about Banks links with foreign Governments. It is one thing having (for example) U.K. based insurance companies making donations to (as they do) the Conservative Party and also lobbying Conservative MP’s. It is something else altogether when the funding is coming from another country that will see a benefit from a weaker and less influential United Kingdom (and EU). | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. " The trouble with % is you can quite easily make them read what you like. Plus all this "We will lose all this" is based on one very large falsehood & assumption. That being that we didn't trade with Europe before the EU existed & we won't trade after(if) we leave. Both obviously poppycock.. Longterm it is all an unknown, there are those happy in the status quo for a multitude of reasons & there are those not who want change,again for a multitude of reasons. All the referendum did was scare the shit out of our pretty much dominant two party system & a federal Europe and it is why Corbyn sits on the fence so much, May is filibustering & the EU are intransigent on a major issue despite there being little border controls elsewhere between EU & non EU states. By hook or by crook Brexit will not happen IMO & Farage whether you like it or not is part of the greed of this 'establishment'. S | |||
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" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. " I think the nearest analogy in terms of a business justification is that of Dr Beeching and his cost benefit analysis that led to the slashing of rail access to large parts of the nation back in the 1960s. This led to many communities becoming isolated and uneconomic and in more remote parts of wales in particular experiencing unprecedented levels of economic and social deprivation. I have never trusted the bean counters of this land because they are always trying to reduce the cost of existence to a base level and are unable to factor in the human benefits of a happy and mobile society. The logic of Farage and his brexit party follows the same reductionist ideal and sees no merit in the EUs attempts to create a diverse society. He is a man of very limited imagination who is morally and legally unscrupulous and it beggars belief that so many people are taken in by the emperors new clothes  | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. " If the CBI estimate was valid why was it not hammered to death during the referendum ? . Most research which I have undertaken tends to indicate that it is hard to quantify the benefits of membership ( in Financial terms ) .It would appear to be simply a grey area. | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. I think the nearest analogy in terms of a business justification is that of Dr Beeching and his cost benefit analysis that led to the slashing of rail access to large parts of the nation back in the 1960s. This led to many communities becoming isolated and uneconomic and in more remote parts of wales in particular experiencing unprecedented levels of economic and social deprivation. I have never trusted the bean counters of this land because they are always trying to reduce the cost of existence to a base level and are unable to factor in the human benefits of a happy and mobile society. The logic of Farage and his brexit party follows the same reductionist ideal and sees no merit in the EUs attempts to create a diverse society. He is a man of very limited imagination who is morally and legally unscrupulous and it beggars belief that so many people are taken in by the emperors new clothes "It might just be that the bean counters to which you refer want to spend our taxes for the benefit of society as a whole and in the most efficient manner possible . When the cuts to which you refer were implemented cars were becoming affordable to most people and as such under used railway lines were becoming unnecessary. | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. I think the nearest analogy in terms of a business justification is that of Dr Beeching and his cost benefit analysis that led to the slashing of rail access to large parts of the nation back in the 1960s. This led to many communities becoming isolated and uneconomic and in more remote parts of wales in particular experiencing unprecedented levels of economic and social deprivation. I have never trusted the bean counters of this land because they are always trying to reduce the cost of existence to a base level and are unable to factor in the human benefits of a happy and mobile society. The logic of Farage and his brexit party follows the same reductionist ideal and sees no merit in the EUs attempts to create a diverse society. He is a man of very limited imagination who is morally and legally unscrupulous and it beggars belief that so many people are taken in by the emperors new clothes "Michael O Leary is a bean counter by trade and no one can dispute how successfull he has been at making airline travel available to everyone. Companies need to monitor costs carefully in order to survive . | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. If the CBI estimate was valid why was it not hammered to death during the referendum ? . Most research which I have undertaken tends to indicate that it is hard to quantify the benefits of membership ( in Financial terms ) .It would appear to be simply a grey area. " They did at one point. But generally experts were dismissed. And the idea of a benefit of 3000 to low earners just didn't make sense to them. They dont ever have 3k in their bank account. So felt there was still nothing to lose. Its not easy to join the dots of the wider economy with one's own situation. What research have you done BTW? | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. I think the nearest analogy in terms of a business justification is that of Dr Beeching and his cost benefit analysis that led to the slashing of rail access to large parts of the nation back in the 1960s. This led to many communities becoming isolated and uneconomic and in more remote parts of wales in particular experiencing unprecedented levels of economic and social deprivation. I have never trusted the bean counters of this land because they are always trying to reduce the cost of existence to a base level and are unable to factor in the human benefits of a happy and mobile society. The logic of Farage and his brexit party follows the same reductionist ideal and sees no merit in the EUs attempts to create a diverse society. He is a man of very limited imagination who is morally and legally unscrupulous and it beggars belief that so many people are taken in by the emperors new clothes Michael O Leary is a bean counter by trade and no one can dispute how successfull he has been at making airline travel available to everyone. Companies need to monitor costs carefully in order to survive ."Yes and his lovely company left some friends of mine stranded in poland and refused to compensate them. They had to spend over £1000 getting home and it took 18 months to get any compensation from his company and that only covered a third of what they had to spend to get home. Funnily enough they dont fly ryanair anymore. I have flown once with them and the flight was late departing both ways. There is a market for his company much like there is for megabus but mr O Leary is the kind of capitalist who gives capitalism a bad name. Sometimes I think you are the kind of apologist for the neo-conservatives that goebbels was for the nazis and other times I just think you’re deluded. | |||
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"Read a lot of this garbage,but he wil get more votes than any other party in the up and coming elections. Why are so many of you so scared of the truth? What “truth” are you assuming that people are scared of? I think many people are simply alarmed that the Brexit Party has managed to convince and energise so many people to believe that leaving the EU with any deal, side arrangements or agreements is a cause to champion. It is difficult to see why there should be any cause for alarm. We will still be trading with the EU , but on slightly different terms. As we buy more from the EU than they do from us we should have the upper hand in the negotiations. The best option for the UK is to leave without a deal. If this happened the EU would be offering us mutually beneficial deals within days. Not taking no deal seriously has put the UK in a weak negotiating position. You would not tell someone that you are going to buy a house regardless of cost , why should membership of the EU be any different. Farage is an elected politician. There is a requirement to declare financial interests. Is this requirement in some way unnecessary? Farage has failed to declare the receipt of such financial gifts. In fact he has denied he received them. These are not small sums. This is not an oversight. Banks has confirmed that the payments were made. That is lying on a grand scale. Is that OK? Why should he be trusted as a liar any more than any other politician? He lives a life that normal people do not with no understanding of money apparently. That is what Banks said. Why then should he be trusted on his assurances that economic penalties will be low and benefits high for ordinary people outside of the EU when he is an entitled member of the economic elite? Have Japan, Korea, Canada, China and the USA been eager to give us beneficial deals? The USAs latest trade deal with Mexico and Canada prevent them from negotiating with China. The USA has threatened all companies from all countries with sanctions and prosecution if trading with Iran. Our sovereign policy is to engage with Iran. Our sovereign policy may be to use Huawei technology as we see fit but the USA will not play with us if we do? Taking our country back are we? Why would anyone have any interest in his financial affairs . The transactions to which you refer were not funded by the tax payer so it difficult to see what relevance they have. " You are genuinely saying that where those who make laws receive income and capital outside of their salary has no bearing on how they make decisions? So if an MP receives money from Russia or a Russian funded company or individual and then votes to lift sanctions on Russia that would be OK? | |||
"Which people? " That would be the 17.4 million people (the 52% voting majority) who voted Leave in the 2016 referendum. People who are upset and angry with a political class in Westminster who have refused to enact the democratic result of the EU referendum and who live in a London bubble trying every trick in the book to undermine the Brexit vote, frustrate the process or outright stop it or reverse it, all played out on national television day after day for the last 2 and a half years on BBC Parliament channel, and an assortment of News programmes. And you're right in your OP that none of what you said will influence my voting intentions on Thursday, i voted Leave in 2016 and i will now vote for the Brexit party. The Brexit party is funded by now over 110,000 registered supporters paying £25 each, you do the Maths. There have also been some large donations of around £100,000 each by some former Conservative party donors (one being Jeremy Hosking) who have now publicly declared their donations to the Brexit party (all Uk citizens). They didn't have to go public but have done so in the interests of transparecy for the Brexit party. On Balance who is funding Change UK or the other remain parties? | |||
"Which people? That would be the 17.4 million people (the 52% voting majority) who voted Leave in the 2016 referendum. People who are upset and angry with a political class in Westminster who have refused to enact the democratic result of the EU referendum and who live in a London bubble trying every trick in the book to undermine the Brexit vote, frustrate the process or outright stop it or reverse it, all played out on national television day after day for the last 2 and a half years on BBC Parliament channel, and an assortment of News programmes. And you're right in your OP that none of what you said will influence my voting intentions on Thursday, i voted Leave in 2016 and i will now vote for the Brexit party. The Brexit party is funded by now over 110,000 registered supporters paying £25 each, you do the Maths. There have also been some large donations of around £100,000 each by some former Conservative party donors (one being Jeremy Hosking) who have now publicly declared their donations to the Brexit party (all Uk citizens). They didn't have to go public but have done so in the interests of transparecy for the Brexit party. On Balance who is funding Change UK or the other remain parties? " For your answer please look here! https://youtu.be/d7w839P4D5o | |||
"Which people? That would be the 17.4 million people (the 52% voting majority) who voted Leave in the 2016 referendum. People who are upset and angry with a political class in Westminster who have refused to enact the democratic result of the EU referendum and who live in a London bubble trying every trick in the book to undermine the Brexit vote, frustrate the process or outright stop it or reverse it, all played out on national television day after day for the last 2 and a half years on BBC Parliament channel, and an assortment of News programmes. And you're right in your OP that none of what you said will influence my voting intentions on Thursday, i voted Leave in 2016 and i will now vote for the Brexit party. The Brexit party is funded by now over 110,000 registered supporters paying £25 each, you do the Maths. There have also been some large donations of around £100,000 each by some former Conservative party donors (one being Jeremy Hosking) who have now publicly declared their donations to the Brexit party (all Uk citizens). They didn't have to go public but have done so in the interests of transparecy for the Brexit party. On Balance who is funding Change UK or the other remain parties? " 17.4 million people do not support Farage. 17.4 million people voted for an undefined version of leaving the EU. Can you disagree with either of those statements? Again, the OP asked if it was okay for an elected official to accept over half a million pounds without declaring its source and then denies it? Is that OK? Is someone who lives this lifestyle a "man of the people". When he tells people that there will be some short term pain, do you think that he will feel any of it? | |||
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Accordingly the electorate voted to leave the EU and we now have no option but to leave the EU.
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" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. " If the EU membership is worth £3,000 to every family in the EU the implication is that another country must be taking a similar loss somewhere along the line . Does anyone know which counties these are. ? | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. If the EU membership is worth £3,000 to every family in the EU the implication is that another country must be taking a similar loss somewhere along the line . Does anyone know which counties these are. ? " Oh ffs Pat - it’s about time you tried doing a bit more than just adding and subtracting! | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. If the EU membership is worth £3,000 to every family in the EU the implication is that another country must be taking a similar loss somewhere along the line . Does anyone know which counties these are. ? " You assume economies are a zero sum game. That's like saying if our gdp rises then some else's has to fall. | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. If the EU membership is worth £3,000 to every family in the EU the implication is that another country must be taking a similar loss somewhere along the line . Does anyone know which counties these are. ? " Read again what you are responding to and then read your reply - asking yourself what you really understood yourself to be replying to, because it sure as hell makes no intelligent sense to me. | |||
" I have taken the UKs contribution and divided it by the number of taxpayers . The result is very different to the fig ure which you quote. An allowance needs to be made for the financial benefits of free trade within the EU and costs added because we pay more for goods from outside the EU due to the current tariff structure. I thought that tax receipts were st an all time high. If we create out own agencies we will have total control and in addition sometimes smaller organisations are run more efficiently. You are correct. The cost to each UK resident is not £17 per year. The latest estimate is that it is around 34 pence per day, per person or £124 per year. In context - what does that mean? Well, to start with the CBI estimate that EU membership is worth around £3,000 per year to every family so whichever way you cut that goose or however big or small the family is - that is a net financial benefit is simple cash terms. Back in 2011, the Government itself estimated that the benefit to the UK economy of our EU membership was somewhere between £30-£90 billion per year. Even taking the smaller amount of £30 billion - this equates to a return of 800% annually on the UK investment into the EU - in the form of our EU membership cost. Can I ask you Pat - in your specialist publications - is an 800% per year return considered good value? This is all in addition to the enhanced status and standing in the world that the UK has because it is an EU Member - Airbus, Galileo, Horizon 2020, Erasmus - all great benefits that we lose when we leave. If the EU membership is worth £3,000 to every family in the EU the implication is that another country must be taking a similar loss somewhere along the line . Does anyone know which counties these are. ? Read again what you are responding to and then read your reply - asking yourself what you really understood yourself to be replying to, because it sure as hell makes no intelligent sense to me." I’m not sure complex economics is his strong point....he likes to keep it simple does our Pat! | |||
"They are the national fromt? Paisley? ... national trust maybe. Ian Paisley is a corrupt ball bag for sure....but i'm sort of sure he's not in the nf...unless you know otherwise No, they aren't. The poster in question has been explicit in his support for the Orange order and has alluded to street activity for the NF or their ilk." Never been to Northern Ireland, never been a member of any political organisation, or there ilk. I just don’t waste my time going on about some people who will never get the chance to change anything here, but IMO have the right to hold whatever opinion they choose, just like me and you. | |||
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"I believe the electorial commission has gone through the financial accounts of the Brexit party. I haven't heard anything else of the findings yet. If there was any wrong doing, I pretty sure it would have hit headline news especially with todays EU elections. He has a huge following the old cheeky chappie, his party followers coughed up £25 a head, so I would imagine there's a few million from that. " What a waste of money | |||
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"All this comes from Gordon Brown saying the Brexit party was not playing by their rules. Just checked Brown out and he is worth 13 million, for someone who as only ever been an MP makes you think?" link ? (If allowed) | |||
"Which people? The sort of people who don't care that he used to associate with the National Front. He was made aware that UKIP was being infiltrated by British Nationalists, and took steps to ban anyone who had ever been members of groups such as the NF and BNP. Not that any of that would bother me. We would never have had the chance to vote in a referendum had it not been for him. The man is a fucking legend..." legend???? Haha your on the wind up. Give yourself a shake man. Milk shake. | |||
"All this comes from Gordon Brown saying the Brexit party was not playing by their rules. Just checked Brown out and he is worth 13 million, for someone who as only ever been an MP makes you think?" If that is true then what of it? He is not an elected politician anymore. Farage is and has lied about hundreds of thousands of pounds being given to him. It's fairly fundamental for government that it is obvious who is giving law makers money. Both as individuals and as political parties. Do you disagree? | |||
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"Are you a ‘radicalised Remainer’ or do you just think Farage is a tw*t? HAS voting to remain in the EU somehow turned you into a traitorous, UK-hating fundamentalist, or do you just hate Nigel Farage? Here’s how to tell. You buy a milkshake. Do you: A) Drink it. It cost the best part of a fiver so you aren’t going to waste it. B) Throw it at a passing politician. Followed by a petrol bomb, because that’s obviously the next logical step for a radicalised Remainer. You go to vote. Do you: A) Put a cross in a box. B) Burn down the polling station because you hate democracy and want to steal the UK’s precious sovereignty. You meet the Queen. Do you: A) Politely say ‘How do you do?’. B) Steal her crown, poke her in the eye and piss on her corgi for good measure, because you’re just a massive treasonous bastard who hates this country and everything it stands for. You read about businesses relocating from the UK because of Brexit. Do you: A) Mildly express concern about the economy and people’s jobs. B) Put on your ‘Project Fear’ balaclava and creep out at night to push scaremongering leaflets through people’s letterboxes and frighten old people, who you hate because they all voted for Brexit. Mostly As: You think Nigel Farage is a tw*t. Mostly Bs: You are a radicalised Remainer who lives to frustrate the Will of the People and see your fellow citizens enslaved. Luckily you are made up." trust me of there was another referendum on Brexit and leavers won. I would have no problems in accepting the result. Now we all know the truth. And don't give me that shite everyone knew what they where voting for. | |||
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"Farage: Give me khaki, a gun and I'll be on the front line for Brexit. Farage: I'm not getting off the bus, someone has a milkshake "Farage: ill leave my driver at a hit and run, and not wait for the police to give a statement. | |||
"Are you a ‘radicalised Remainer’ or do you just think Farage is a tw*t? HAS voting to remain in the EU somehow turned you into a traitorous, UK-hating fundamentalist, or do you just hate Nigel Farage? Here’s how to tell. You buy a milkshake. Do you: A) Drink it. It cost the best part of a fiver so you aren’t going to waste it. B) Throw it at a passing politician. Followed by a petrol bomb, because that’s obviously the next logical step for a radicalised Remainer. You go to vote. Do you: A) Put a cross in a box. B) Burn down the polling station because you hate democracy and want to steal the UK’s precious sovereignty. You meet the Queen. Do you: A) Politely say ‘How do you do?’. B) Steal her crown, poke her in the eye and piss on her corgi for good measure, because you’re just a massive treasonous bastard who hates this country and everything it stands for. You read about businesses relocating from the UK because of Brexit. Do you: A) Mildly express concern about the economy and people’s jobs. B) Put on your ‘Project Fear’ balaclava and creep out at night to push scaremongering leaflets through people’s letterboxes and frighten old people, who you hate because they all voted for Brexit. Mostly As: You think Nigel Farage is a tw*t. Mostly Bs: You are a radicalised Remainer who lives to frustrate the Will of the People and see your fellow citizens enslaved. Luckily you are made up." I know that's a joke article, but I think it's reasonably daft to suggest it's all about BREXIT. I'm reasonably certain that neither Tommy Mussolini (or whatever he's called) or Edgelord of Akkon were not milkshaked only for their views on BREXIT. | |||
"Are you a ‘radicalised Remainer’ or do you just think Farage is a tw*t? HAS voting to remain in the EU somehow turned you into a traitorous, UK-hating fundamentalist, or do you just hate Nigel Farage? Here’s how to tell. You buy a milkshake. Do you: A) Drink it. It cost the best part of a fiver so you aren’t going to waste it. B) Throw it at a passing politician. Followed by a petrol bomb, because that’s obviously the next logical step for a radicalised Remainer. You go to vote. Do you: A) Put a cross in a box. B) Burn down the polling station because you hate democracy and want to steal the UK’s precious sovereignty. You meet the Queen. Do you: A) Politely say ‘How do you do?’. B) Steal her crown, poke her in the eye and piss on her corgi for good measure, because you’re just a massive treasonous bastard who hates this country and everything it stands for. You read about businesses relocating from the UK because of Brexit. Do you: A) Mildly express concern about the economy and people’s jobs. B) Put on your ‘Project Fear’ balaclava and creep out at night to push scaremongering leaflets through people’s letterboxes and frighten old people, who you hate because they all voted for Brexit. Mostly As: You think Nigel Farage is a tw*t. Mostly Bs: You are a radicalised Remainer who lives to frustrate the Will of the People and see your fellow citizens enslaved. Luckily you are made up. I know that's a joke article, but I think it's reasonably daft to suggest it's all about BREXIT. I'm reasonably certain that neither Tommy Mussolini (or whatever he's called) or Edgelord of Akkon were not milkshaked only for their views on BREXIT." That's the point though. The milkshakes were for them being attention whoring twats. However, the old boy who was milkshaked is another matter. | |||
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