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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
Posting on Twitter, they said: "Dear people of Scotland.
"We’re selling milkshakes all weekend. Have fun."
BURGER King has been accused of inciting violence against Brexiteers after reminding pro-EU protesters that it is selling milkshakes "all weekend."
It's in the Sun so no indication of who made the accusation. Naturally.
Snowflakes? 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9108766/burger-king-milkshakes-mcdonalds-protest/
No, I don't think this helps politics bit the shrill headline is amusing. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's the marketing dept, maximising the publicity.
When Robinson went to Edinburgh, the police asked the nearby McDonalds to take milkshake off the menu.
McDonalds put a notice in their window.
It went viral.
Robinson has gone, it's an ad to get people to spend money at McDonalds.
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"It's the marketing dept, maximising the publicity.
When Robinson went to Edinburgh, the police asked the nearby McDonalds to take milkshake off the menu.
McDonalds put a notice in their window.
It went viral.
Robinson has gone, it's an ad to get people to spend money at McDonalds.
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It was Farage. He was in town for a rally on Friday night. |
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Regardless of the issue, a disgusting piece of opportunistic marketing whether aimed at the left, right, in, out, remain or leave. This is , after all in the midst of an election campaign.
If I ate their crap, I would boy ott the stuff. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Regardless of the issue, a disgusting piece of opportunistic marketing whether aimed at the left, right, in, out, remain or leave. This is , after all in the midst of an election campaign.
If I ate their crap, I would boy ott the stuff."
Not really inciting violence though.
Apparently "not even r@ping someone" is a joke so I guess this piece of viral marketing must be... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"It's the marketing dept, maximising the publicity.
When Robinson went to Edinburgh, the police asked the nearby McDonalds to take milkshake off the menu.
McDonalds put a notice in their window.
It went viral.
Robinson has gone, it's an ad to get people to spend money at McDonalds.
It was Farage. He was in town for a rally on Friday night. "
Oops, yes my mistake. I can understand the police trying to defuse things.
Farage got barricaded in a pub last time.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Posting on Twitter, they said: "Dear people of Scotland.
"We’re selling milkshakes all weekend. Have fun."
BURGER King has been accused of inciting violence against Brexiteers after reminding pro-EU protesters that it is selling milkshakes "all weekend."
It's in the Sun so no indication of who made the accusation. Naturally.
Snowflakes?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9108766/burger-king-milkshakes-mcdonalds-protest/
No, I don't think this helps politics bit the shrill headline is amusing."
Anyone finding anything offensive about this needs to get a fucking life. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Posting on Twitter, they said: "Dear people of Scotland.
"We’re selling milkshakes all weekend. Have fun."
BURGER King has been accused of inciting violence against Brexiteers after reminding pro-EU protesters that it is selling milkshakes "all weekend."
It's in the Sun so no indication of who made the accusation. Naturally.
Snowflakes?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9108766/burger-king-milkshakes-mcdonalds-protest/
No, I don't think this helps politics bit the shrill headline is amusing.
Anyone finding anything offensive about this needs to get a fucking life. "
Offence is subjective.
Throwing milkshakes is not helpful political debate. It is another way of antagonising and just not listening.
BK inciting violence though?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
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It's time we stopped making excuses for other people's shitty actions, if you throw a milkshake over a stranger for something you've heard or read about them your a pleb and need your bumps feeling.
Mentally ill people need to be either locked up in secure units or be fit to live in society which means you need to be able to decipher language and words with context of how there being used, if people are actually inciting violence they need locking up for some many years. |
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what? "
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it. "
What have I actually said in this thread?
I've said that the throwing milkshakes is not constructive debate.
I also would not define throwing a milkshake as violence. Like throwing eggs or flower or water bombs. Childish and foolish perhaps. Not violence.
Is this what National Action were upto when banned in 2016?
Is that the equivalence you are drawing or is it something else? |
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it.
What have I actually said in this thread?
I've said that the throwing milkshakes is not constructive debate.
I also would not define throwing a milkshake as violence. Like throwing eggs or flower or water bombs. Childish and foolish perhaps. Not violence.
Is this what National Action were upto when banned in 2016?
Is that the equivalence you are drawing or is it something else?"
Throwing an object at someone in anger is violence not debate.
Spitting at someone is classed as assault in this country, so a milkshake, egg and anything is also assault.
NA was banned in 2016 due to a knee jerk reaction to the murder of an MP which had nothing at all to do with them. It's really as simple as that in regards.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Posting on Twitter, they said: "Dear people of Scotland.
"We’re selling milkshakes all weekend. Have fun."
BURGER King has been accused of inciting violence against Brexiteers after reminding pro-EU protesters that it is selling milkshakes "all weekend."
It's in the Sun so no indication of who made the accusation. Naturally.
Snowflakes?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9108766/burger-king-milkshakes-mcdonalds-protest/
No, I don't think this helps politics bit the shrill headline is amusing.
Anyone finding anything offensive about this needs to get a fucking life.
Offence is subjective.
Throwing milkshakes is not helpful political debate. It is another way of antagonising and just not listening.
BK inciting violence though? "
Throwing of anything is wrong but BK are just poking a bit of fun at their rivals MD's, nothing more, nothing less. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it.
What have I actually said in this thread?
I've said that the throwing milkshakes is not constructive debate.
I also would not define throwing a milkshake as violence. Like throwing eggs or flower or water bombs. Childish and foolish perhaps. Not violence.
Is this what National Action were upto when banned in 2016?
Is that the equivalence you are drawing or is it something else?
Throwing an object at someone in anger is violence not debate.
Spitting at someone is classed as assault in this country, so a milkshake, egg and anything is also assault.
NA was banned in 2016 due to a knee jerk reaction to the murder of an MP which had nothing at all to do with them. It's really as simple as that in regards.
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Why did you feel the need to tell me that throwing a milkshake is not debate. I never claimed that it was. Quite the opposite in fact.
Again, you are free to define throwing a milkshake as a violent assault. I think that both the Police, Crown Prosecution Service and Magistrate might view it as someone being a twat and apply their discretion accordingly.
If you think that the BK tweet is incitement to violence then you are also welcome to that interpretation, although once again I think the legal process may treat it somewhat differently.
Are you saying that the statments and organisation and intent of National Action was equivalent to random individuals throwing milkshakes? I would interested to know how you come to that conclusion. You feel that they were unfairly treated too? Why is that? |
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over a year ago
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"It now seems the milkshake is the weapon of choice by remainers.  "
My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
And they're like,
Its better than yours,
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By (user no longer on site)
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Are you saying that the statments and organisation and intent of National Action was equivalent to random individuals throwing milkshakes? I would interested to know how you come to that conclusion. You feel that they were unfairly treated too? Why is that?"
Any comment which can be interpreted as favourable or in defence can lead to a charge under terrorism laws.
But what I will say is this to your last question; I personally don't believe words = violence, but that's the exact reason the group was banned. So as we live in a society where words and statements can land you in prison then I will call out the hypocrisy of those on the Left and the Media for exactly that.
Physical action in anger on the other hand is classed as violence, throwing a milkshake or any object is under British law assault.
No matter how you paint it violence against political opponents does not have a place in a civilised democratic society.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Farage got one today.
In Newcastle.
McDonalds or Burger King?
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the answer actually is neither.... apparently the "milkshake" in question came from "five guys"....
banana and salted caramel if anyone asks....
which leaves two questions...
1) how on earth do we know this much info...
2) at the prices five guys charge... seriously he would have saved a fortune going down to the mcdonalds 30 seconds away and getting it from there...... |
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"It now seems the milkshake is the weapon of choice by remainers. "
Weapon being the right word. What next? A shoe, then a stone, then a brick and what after that?
Why is it funny if it is the right leaning side of politics being physically attacked but an outrage if it is the left?
Defeat those you disagree with using talk, not violence! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"It now seems the milkshake is the weapon of choice by remainers.
Weapon being the right word. What next? A shoe, then a stone, then a brick and what after that?
Why is it funny if it is the right leaning side of politics being physically attacked but an outrage if it is the left?
Defeat those you disagree with using talk, not violence! "
okay... now we are getting silly...
should he have done it... no
was it harmful... no
we people have had eggs, and fruit and veg lobbed at them in the past has there been this outrage.... no
is there any need for a lot of the people on the right today to make the comparison of what happened to farage today, and what happened to jo cox.... thats a bit of a stretch!
when in the last couple of days we have had someone on the far right convicted of plotting to kill another mp, rosie cooper.... and a lot of those on the right not willing to condemn someone for making "R@pe jokes" about MP Jess phillips.... the outrage over a few milkshakes has been overblown.....
on the Vctimhood scale... there are some trying to milk it with ridicoulous comparisons.... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It now seems the milkshake is the weapon of choice by remainers.
Weapon being the right word. What next? A shoe, then a stone, then a brick and what after that?
Why is it funny if it is the right leaning side of politics being physically attacked but an outrage if it is the left?
Defeat those you disagree with using talk, not violence! "
No mate its not because as you put it (right leaning side)is being attacked i find it funny,its funny because the pc brigade are outraged just like they were when corbyn got egged which i found extremely funny as i dont think it was free ranged. |
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over a year ago
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Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it.
What have I actually said in this thread?
I've said that the throwing milkshakes is not constructive debate.
I also would not define throwing a milkshake as violence. Like throwing eggs or flower or water bombs. Childish and foolish perhaps. Not violence.
Is this what National Action were upto when banned in 2016?
Is that the equivalence you are drawing or is it something else?
Throwing an object at someone in anger is violence not debate.
Spitting at someone is classed as assault in this country, so a milkshake, egg and anything is also assault.
NA was banned in 2016 due to a knee jerk reaction to the murder of an MP which had nothing at all to do with them. It's really as simple as that in regards.
Why did you feel the need to tell me that throwing a milkshake is not debate. I never claimed that it was. Quite the opposite in fact.
Again, you are free to define throwing a milkshake as a violent assault. I think that both the Police, Crown Prosecution Service and Magistrate might view it as someone being a twat and apply their discretion accordingly.
If you think that the BK tweet is incitement to violence then you are also welcome to that interpretation, although once again I think the legal process may treat it somewhat differently.
Are you saying that the statments and organisation and intent of National Action was equivalent to random individuals throwing milkshakes? I would interested to know how you come to that conclusion. You feel that they were unfairly treated too? Why is that?"
They guy who threw an egg at Corbyn a couple of months ago was arrested by Police and charged with assault. Why do you think this incident is any different? If an egg thrower is arrested by Police then the same should apply to someone throwing a milkshake, everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law. |
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this. "
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news |
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Regardless of political persuasion does anyone else not think milk shake throwing is immature and petty? It's the equivalent of a disgruntled gf throwing a pint in the pub, it's chavvy and classless. Let's calm down and stop throwing things and resume civilised debate rather than throwing political dummies out of the pram because we disagree with someone. |
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news "
A neo-Nazi was just jailed for plotting to kill another Labour MP, but sure, it's the left that has a problem. |
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news
A neo-Nazi was just jailed for plotting to kill another Labour MP, but sure, it's the left that has a problem. "
I am sure both left and right has psychopaths. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It now seems the milkshake is the weapon of choice by remainers.
Weapon being the right word. What next? A shoe, then a stone, then a brick and what after that?
Why is it funny if it is the right leaning side of politics being physically attacked but an outrage if it is the left?
Defeat those you disagree with using talk, not violence!
okay... now we are getting silly...
should he have done it... no
was it harmful... no
we people have had eggs, and fruit and veg lobbed at them in the past has there been this outrage.... no
is there any need for a lot of the people on the right today to make the comparison of what happened to farage today, and what happened to jo cox.... thats a bit of a stretch!
when in the last couple of days we have had someone on the far right convicted of plotting to kill another mp, rosie cooper.... and a lot of those on the right not willing to condemn someone for making "R@pe jokes" about MP Jess phillips.... the outrage over a few milkshakes has been overblown.....
on the Vctimhood scale... there are some trying to milk it with ridicoulous comparisons...."
Because jokes are in the same league as assault. Bore off mate, the whole reason people have their panties in a twist over a joke is because the argument is it normalises r@pe. Jo Cox is the exact reason why both sides should be condemning this type of behaviour as it normalises assault against political opponents.
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"Joke about r@ping an MP? People need to get a sense of humour
Throw a milkshake at a candidate? This is dangerous and needs to be stamped out
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So words = violence in your opinion? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Joke about r@ping an MP? People need to get a sense of humour
Throw a milkshake at a candidate? This is dangerous and needs to be stamped out
So words = violence in your opinion? "
When people in positions of leadership seek to legitimise sexual violence, one can only speculate what influence that has on those who look up to that person.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it. "
Throwing a milkshake is far removed from the a actual physical violence advocated by the far right. And the murder of an MP.
Farage and his ilk have such thin skins, no sense of humour unless they’re mocking and jeering at someone else. Can dish it out but can’t take it themselves. Bullies and cowards. |
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"Regardless of political persuasion does anyone else not think milk shake throwing is immature and petty? It's the equivalent of a disgruntled gf throwing a pint in the pub, it's chavvy and classless. Let's calm down and stop throwing things and resume civilised debate rather than throwing political dummies out of the pram because we disagree with someone. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Farage got one today.
In Newcastle.
McDonalds or Burger King?
the answer actually is neither.... apparently the "milkshake" in question came from "five guys"....
banana and salted caramel if anyone asks....
which leaves two questions...
1) how on earth do we know this much info...
2) at the prices five guys charge... seriously he would have saved a fortune going down to the mcdonalds 30 seconds away and getting it from there...... "
I figured _abio as a raspberry milkshake guy |
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it.
Throwing a milkshake is far removed from the a actual physical violence advocated by the far right. And the murder of an MP.
Farage and his ilk have such thin skins, no sense of humour unless they’re mocking and jeering at someone else. Can dish it out but can’t take it themselves. Bullies and cowards. "
A r@pe joke is far removed from the actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake and the Far Left advocating physical violence (Smash the Fash is a common slogan used by Antifa and UAF types) against anyone they or the media smeer as Far Right, it seems they have thin skins and no sense of humour unless they're mocking and jeering at someone else. Can dish it out but can't take it themselves. Bullies and cowards.
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By (user no longer on site)
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So words = violence in your opinion?
When people in positions of leadership seek to legitimise sexual violence, one can only speculate what influence that has on those who look up to that person.
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So what leadership position was Carl in 3 years ago when he made his joke? He was a youtube social commenter and comedian then.
You're defending a woman who compared the Cologne sex attacks to a night out in Birmingham. (Yikes talk about trivialising sexual assult.)
Laughed at the notion that Mens issues should be debated and blocked the motion.
And said she would knife Corbyn in the front rather than the back.
She sees herself and all women as victims that need special care and attention. She's a fucking nut job.
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Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!! |
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I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wise up bob...there's no way you would stoop to that level....you're far too decent and nice. Not to mention what would happen to the planet if your plastic milkshake straw somehow found it's way into the water ways... all hell would break loose!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Rightly or wrongky there's a subtle difference between a joke being told purely to get a laugh, than a direct comment to a specific person as part of a heated argument which is has an element of humour.
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Ironic that Farages five guys couldnt get in the way of that milkshake - it almost made me wonder if it was a publicity stunt until I saw his sad face at realising his expensive suit was ruined! I bet a five guys shake is a fuck site harder to clean up after than a MaccyDs! Quality! |
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over a year ago
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Dangerous times ahead I think, were ratcheting up the levels of violence that's acceptable by the month.
Won't be long before this becomes a civil war and you'll blame everybody but yourselves.
Violence is wrong full stop. |
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So chucking milkshake at Nigel Fartwad is to be applauded? If the next one contains sulphuric acid or something then it's also perfectly acceptable? In my opinion it just proves how awful the left has become. Instead of entering into dialogue and acting like adults....they think it best to throw stuff and yell NATZEEE at everyone that disagrees with them. It's not healthy for society and political discourse. The guy who murdered Jo Cox got life...absolutely correct. Could've been 100 life terms and still not enough. If it happens (and it's possible) that timmy throbbingscum gets fatally injured in an attack it'll be as laughable as a milkshake? People are strange... |
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"Dangerous times ahead I think, were ratcheting up the levels of violence that's acceptable by the month.
Won't be long before this becomes a civil war and you'll blame everybody but yourselves.
Violence is wrong full stop."
As farage said brexit happened without a shot fired...With that logic we can expect the same with these elections .
Hang on a minute .....
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By *ara JTV/TS
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So words = violence in your opinion?
When people in positions of leadership seek to legitimise sexual violence, one can only speculate what influence that has on those who look up to that person.
So what leadership position was Carl in 3 years ago when he made his joke? He was a youtube social commenter and comedian then.
You're defending a woman who compared the Cologne sex attacks to a night out in Birmingham. (Yikes talk about trivialising sexual assult.)
Laughed at the notion that Mens issues should be debated and blocked the motion.
And said she would knife Corbyn in the front rather than the back.
She sees herself and all women as victims that need special care and attention. She's a fucking nut job.
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You can resort to victim-blaming if you like.
Anyone who aspires to elected office is aspiring to a position of leadership.
Anyone who does so is entitled to have their past record scrutinised.
UKIP clearly thinks this sort of behaviour is acceptable for a position of leadership.
Do you, too?
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"Dangerous times ahead I think, were ratcheting up the levels of violence that's acceptable by the month.
Won't be long before this becomes a civil war and you'll blame everybody but yourselves.
Violence is wrong full stop.
As farage said brexit happened without a shot fired...With that logic we can expect the same with these elections .
Hang on a minute .....
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"Dangerous times ahead I think, were ratcheting up the levels of violence that's acceptable by the month.
Won't be long before this becomes a civil war and you'll blame everybody but yourselves.
Violence is wrong full stop.
As farage said brexit happened without a shot fired...With that logic we can expect the same with these elections .
Hang on a minute .....
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Like I said, you'll blame everybody but yourselves."
Do you have a date for this civil war prediction for my diary ??
Should I file it under project fear .You know how the brexiters are always predicting civil unrest if they don't get a sugar coated brexit with sprinkles on top and a flake stuck in it . |
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
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Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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So words = violence in your opinion?
When people in positions of leadership seek to legitimise sexual violence, one can only speculate what influence that has on those who look up to that person.
So what leadership position was Carl in 3 years ago when he made his joke? He was a youtube social commenter and comedian then.
You're defending a woman who compared the Cologne sex attacks to a night out in Birmingham. (Yikes talk about trivialising sexual assult.)
Laughed at the notion that Mens issues should be debated and blocked the motion.
And said she would knife Corbyn in the front rather than the back.
She sees herself and all women as victims that need special care and attention. She's a fucking nut job.
You can resort to victim-blaming if you like.
Anyone who aspires to elected office is aspiring to a position of leadership.
Anyone who does so is entitled to have their past record scrutinised.
UKIP clearly thinks this sort of behaviour is acceptable for a position of leadership.
Do you, too?
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Do I think comedians have the right to make jokes and then 3 years later decide if they want to run for public office?
Indeed I do, jokes are not illegal. Suck it up buttercup
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Words incite violence don't they?
I mean we all remember what happened in 2016 don't we? Short memories some people.
We're selling milkshakes all weekend is a euphemism for what?
Come off it. You were in tears and shrieking at the horrors of the Far Right in 2016. Now you sneer and cheer.
Politcal violence is a-okay when your sides doing it.
Throwing a milkshake is far removed from the a actual physical violence advocated by the far right. And the murder of an MP.
Farage and his ilk have such thin skins, no sense of humour unless they’re mocking and jeering at someone else. Can dish it out but can’t take it themselves. Bullies and cowards.
A r@pe joke is far removed from the actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake and the Far Left advocating physical violence (Smash the Fash is a common slogan used by Antifa and UAF types) against anyone they or the media smeer as Far Right, it seems they have thin skins and no sense of humour unless they're mocking and jeering at someone else. Can dish it out but can't take it themselves. Bullies and cowards.
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The " actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake".
It seems that you can define a point when words lose there meaning.
This is the point when the word violence becomes meaningless.
There is no such thing as a r@pe "joke". The phrase is only used towards women to offend and intimidate. It is neither inherently or situationally humourous.
National Action advocated violence towards "foreigners" based primarily on their colour. They were not "unfortunate" to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. There is no equivalence to a few random individuals throwing milkshakes as children might when they lose their temper and can't articulate their thoughts properly.
The first man to do it was in an argument and may well have taken specific exception to a remark. Who knows. Their have since been some copycat events and the Police have now decided to step on to prevent it from being normalised.
Seems proportional enough.
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The " actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake".
It seems that you can define a point when words lose there meaning.
This is the point when the word violence becomes meaningless.
There is no such thing as a r@pe "joke". The phrase is only used towards women to offend and intimidate. It is neither inherently or situationally humourous.
National Action advocated violence towards "foreigners" based primarily on their colour. They were not "unfortunate" to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. There is no equivalence to a few random individuals throwing milkshakes as children might when they lose their temper and can't articulate their thoughts properly.
The first man to do it was in an argument and may well have taken specific exception to a remark. Who knows. Their have since been some copycat events and the Police have now decided to step on to prevent it from being normalised.
Seems proportional enough.
Do you support far right views or are you defending free speech with the position that you are taking on this?"
Anything physical done in an act of anger towards another person is violence. It's as simple as that, I don't care if you see it that way or not the law is on my side hence why someone was sent to jail for the egg incident and another has now been charged with common assult.
You're 100% correct there's no such thing as a r@pe joke just jokes. The phrase is only used to perpetuate the stereotype that women are victims.
Since jokes are subjective and you aren't the authority on what can and cannot be funny your point is nothing but a personal opinion based on nothing ideological bias.
Anything can and should be joked about. Nothing should be off limits. Humour has always been used as a way to empower and comfort during difficult times.
National Action were unlucky it's as simple as that. A street movement made up of mostly young university students who were unashamedly National Socialist were always going to get the chop regardless of what they did.
You're wrong in regards to the first man who threw a milkshake and have fallen for the media spin narrative. The video evidence proves otherwise.
I'm neither Left or Right, my positions are different depending on the subject or polices at hand, I'm also open to new ideas which either side of the spectrum they come from.
I do support freedom of expression without government intervention unless a genuine threat of violence is likely.
I've voted Labour in General and local elections and UKIP in European ones.
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling."
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it... |
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling.
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it... "
Here's the thing about Northerns we've got thick skins, the common saying heard up here is sticks and stones.
I've heard and said worse down the pub and at work...can't say I've had a physical altercation since school. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!!"
Frankie Boyle was on Channel 4.
He was censured by Ofcom.
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling.
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it...
Here's the thing about Northerns we've got thick skins, the common saying heard up here is sticks and stones.
I've heard and said worse down the pub and at work...can't say I've had a physical altercation since school. "
I lived 17 years In Manchester.There no different up north than down south.
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By *asyuk OP Man
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The " actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake".
It seems that you can define a point when words lose there meaning.
This is the point when the word violence becomes meaningless.
There is no such thing as a r@pe "joke". The phrase is only used towards women to offend and intimidate. It is neither inherently or situationally humourous.
National Action advocated violence towards "foreigners" based primarily on their colour. They were not "unfortunate" to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. There is no equivalence to a few random individuals throwing milkshakes as children might when they lose their temper and can't articulate their thoughts properly.
The first man to do it was in an argument and may well have taken specific exception to a remark. Who knows. Their have since been some copycat events and the Police have now decided to step on to prevent it from being normalised.
Seems proportional enough.
Do you support far right views or are you defending free speech with the position that you are taking on this?
Anything physical done in an act of anger towards another person is violence. It's as simple as that, I don't care if you see it that way or not the law is on my side hence why someone was sent to jail for the egg incident and another has now been charged with common assult.
You're 100% correct there's no such thing as a r@pe joke just jokes. The phrase is only used to perpetuate the stereotype that women are victims.
Since jokes are subjective and you aren't the authority on what can and cannot be funny your point is nothing but a personal opinion based on nothing ideological bias.
Anything can and should be joked about. Nothing should be off limits. Humour has always been used as a way to empower and comfort during difficult times.
National Action were unlucky it's as simple as that. A street movement made up of mostly young university students who were unashamedly National Socialist were always going to get the chop regardless of what they did.
You're wrong in regards to the first man who threw a milkshake and have fallen for the media spin narrative. The video evidence proves otherwise.
I'm neither Left or Right, my positions are different depending on the subject or polices at hand, I'm also open to new ideas which either side of the spectrum they come from.
I do support freedom of expression without government intervention unless a genuine threat of violence is likely.
I've voted Labour in General and local elections and UKIP in European ones.
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I am absolutely happy for you to equate the throwing of a milkshake with violence. We do need to be locking up more small children though.
The decision to prosecute is based on context, so no,you are not in the right.
It's a delight debating with someone who thinks r@pe comments directed towards women in any context are not intended to cause offence or to intimidate.
Who does this "humour" empower and comfort?
Do you think that a university education allows is a mitigating factor for racism and violence? You think that these poor misunderstood kids were victimised?
When advocating that position it is not bad luck that your organisation is classed as a terrorist group any more than if you belong to the Animal Liberation Front or Hezbollah.
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"Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!!"
Context is everything my dear - when you listen to Frankie Boyle you need to remember he is a comedian, whether you find him funny or not. Using any of his jokes or comments outside of the context of a comely routine means you are entirely missing the point.
Throwing a milkshake over an inflated pompous windbag is funny. And it’s funny because they can’t stand being made fun of. Making ‘rape’ ‘jokes’ isn’t funny because you never know when some twit on the far right will take it seriously and actually go ahead and do it. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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Considering the photo of farage, it looks likes he has been circle jerked on by his supporters, I could be wrong 
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The " actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake".
It seems that you can define a point when words lose there meaning.
This is the point when the word violence becomes meaningless.
There is no such thing as a r@pe "joke". The phrase is only used towards women to offend and intimidate. It is neither inherently or situationally humourous.
National Action advocated violence towards "foreigners" based primarily on their colour. They were not "unfortunate" to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. There is no equivalence to a few random individuals throwing milkshakes as children might when they lose their temper and can't articulate their thoughts properly.
The first man to do it was in an argument and may well have taken specific exception to a remark. Who knows. Their have since been some copycat events and the Police have now decided to step on to prevent it from being normalised.
Seems proportional enough.
Do you support far right views or are you defending free speech with the position that you are taking on this?
Anything physical done in an act of anger towards another person is violence. It's as simple as that, I don't care if you see it that way or not the law is on my side hence why someone was sent to jail for the egg incident and another has now been charged with common assult.
You're 100% correct there's no such thing as a r@pe joke just jokes. The phrase is only used to perpetuate the stereotype that women are victims.
Since jokes are subjective and you aren't the authority on what can and cannot be funny your point is nothing but a personal opinion based on nothing ideological bias.
Anything can and should be joked about. Nothing should be off limits. Humour has always been used as a way to empower and comfort during difficult times.
National Action were unlucky it's as simple as that. A street movement made up of mostly young university students who were unashamedly National Socialist were always going to get the chop regardless of what they did.
You're wrong in regards to the first man who threw a milkshake and have fallen for the media spin narrative. The video evidence proves otherwise.
I'm neither Left or Right, my positions are different depending on the subject or polices at hand, I'm also open to new ideas which either side of the spectrum they come from.
I do support freedom of expression without government intervention unless a genuine threat of violence is likely.
I've voted Labour in General and local elections and UKIP in European ones.
I am absolutely happy for you to equate the throwing of a milkshake with violence. We do need to be locking up more small children though.
The decision to prosecute is based on context, so no,you are not in the right.
It's a delight debating with someone who thinks r@pe comments directed towards women in any context are not intended to cause offence or to intimidate.
Who does this "humour" empower and comfort?
Do you think that a university education allows is a mitigating factor for racism and violence? You think that these poor misunderstood kids were victimised?
When advocating that position it is not bad luck that your organisation is classed as a terrorist group any more than if you belong to the Animal Liberation Front or Hezbollah.
We should all be open to those ideas. Eugenics too perhaps?"
We aren't talking about Children here, we're talking about adults engaging in the political arena. The same adults which decry the rise of Fascism and Hate in the West. The irony is lost on them I suppose.
Political motived violence is to be condemned across the spectrum unless you want a return to 1920 Wiermar and let's not forget how that ended.
R@pe comments? We're talking about a joke here not a statement of intent. Let's not try and twist things; context is key remember.
Humour empowers many people, in fact Carl met a survivor of sexual abuse which thanked him for such. The video is on YouTube check it out. Carl himself was sexually assaulted when he was younger.
I can't change your opinion if you believe words have power. Words only have power if you allow them too and people shouldn't have to tip toe around for the sake of random people getting emotional due to snippets taken out of context.
I think young university educated students who can articulate their views much better than the skinheads of the NF are much more of a threat and better optics for their cause.
Politics in this country is nothing more than sound bites and image.
Considering that the EDL, Britain First, National Front etc etc are still all legal and allowed to carry on. I absolutely believe that the reason to ban NA was nothing more than a political motivated knee jerk reaction.
Ideas should be discussed in the open where they can be challenged in civil debate not driven underground where they fester unopposed.
State enforced Eugenics is something that I'm against but I'm not opposed to parents making a choice in regards to the quality of life for their child.
Eugenics is practiced every day anyways.
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"Milkflake: someone who thinks that a milkshake thrown at a hate preacher is somehow a threat to democracy."
Awww how cute...you come up with that one all by your self?
Let me guess, Twitter? |
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"Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!!
Frankie Boyle was on Channel 4.
He was censured by Ofcom.
Did you want a flogging?"
so if he says in on C4 or you tube or beeb or sky or whatever platform and gets censored.... should he still get a telly series on the bbc after telling these sorts of jokes? Personally i don't care. I've no real regard for benjamin or boyle....it just strikes me as a double standard.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!!
Frankie Boyle was on Channel 4.
He was censured by Ofcom.
Did you want a flogging?
so if he says in on C4 or you tube or beeb or sky or whatever platform and gets censored.... should he still get a telly series on the bbc after telling these sorts of jokes? Personally i don't care. I've no real regard for benjamin or boyle....it just strikes me as a double standard.
What do you mean by 'flogging' btw?"
No, the BBC probably shouldn't have commissioned his series as targeting a child is neither funny nor acceptable but Newbies may disagree with both of us.
However, the BBC chose to give him a new series. I don't know what criteria they used or what agreement they came to as to his conduct. Do you?
I guess that as we treat criminals, once they have been punished for their mistakes, foul mouthed comedians can also continue with their lives.
I don't believe that Benjamin has applied for a job at the BBC so I'm not sure what the double standard is. Frankie Boyle's behaviour and punishment was reported by the BBC at the time.
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling.
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it... "
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Do you know how the law treats premeditated thought and actions to actions taken at provocation?.
The fact that you think this ok without being found in that immediate and unknown scenario means you should seriously seek help for your clearly violent Streak within you.
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I just thought it strange when boyle makes his jokes he ends up with a series on bbc...benjamin makes his and he's dragged through the various news programmes and , rightly or wrongly, blasted by the news presenters.
No i wouldn't call for boyle to be axed from telly. He can be quite funny at times. Mind you....if he or benjamin or anyone for that matter says something i find offensive or outrageous....i change chanels or turn the telly off without the need to feel offended for any length of time....but that's just me |
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling.
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it... .
Do you know how the law treats premeditated thought and actions to actions taken at provocation?.
The fact that you think this ok without being found in that immediate and unknown scenario means you should seriously seek help for your clearly violent Streak within you.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"I just thought it strange when boyle makes his jokes he ends up with a series on bbc...benjamin makes his and he's dragged through the various news programmes and , rightly or wrongly, blasted by the news presenters.
No i wouldn't call for boyle to be axed from telly. He can be quite funny at times. Mind you....if he or benjamin or anyone for that matter says something i find offensive or outrageous....i change chanels or turn the telly off without the need to feel offended for any length of time....but that's just me"
Boyle isn't running to represent our country in the European Parliament.
What he did was reported but without as much prominence as he is just a comedian.
Doesn't really seem at all strange to me.
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"I just thought it strange when boyle makes his jokes he ends up with a series on bbc...benjamin makes his and he's dragged through the various news programmes and , rightly or wrongly, blasted by the news presenters.
No i wouldn't call for boyle to be axed from telly. He can be quite funny at times. Mind you....if he or benjamin or anyone for that matter says something i find offensive or outrageous....i change chanels or turn the telly off without the need to feel offended for any length of time....but that's just me
Boyle isn't running to represent our country in the European Parliament.
What he did was reported but without as much prominence as he is just a comedian.
Doesn't really seem at all strange to me.
Do you really find these two situations of equivalent importance?"
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Milkflake: someone who thinks that a milkshake thrown at a hate preacher is somehow a threat to democracy.
Awww how cute...you come up with that one all by your self?
Let me guess, Twitter? "
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"I am pretty sure if I said anyones mum/daughter/sister or grandmother was to ugly to r@pe i would need a new account after my permanent ban from fab.
I'm also pretty sure if it was said about any member of my family outside in the street or even on social media and my family new their whereabouts .I can guarantee there would be violence and it wouldn't involve milkshakes.
Nothing more than posturing behind a keyboard mate.
If you'd assault someone over a joke or even words then you need to seek professional help.
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I'm with him/them on this one.
Seek counseling.
Try saying to a mans face down the boozer you wouldn't r@pe his daughter because she's to ugly.You would need counselling after that for sure.
If you think you'd get away with it fella .Try it...
Here's the thing about Northerns we've got thick skins, the common saying heard up here is sticks and stones.
I've heard and said worse down the pub and at work...can't say I've had a physical altercation since school. "
I'm suprsied how much milkshake is closer to sticks and stones than it is words.
Not that I'm condoning the milkshake. I think anything which distracts from a proper debate should be condemned. |
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"Milkflake: someone who thinks that a milkshake thrown at a hate preacher is somehow a threat to democracy.
Awww how cute...you come up with that one all by your self?
Let me guess, Twitter?
I'm sorry if you got triggered."
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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The " actual physical violence of throwing a milkshake".
It seems that you can define a point when words lose there meaning.
This is the point when the word violence becomes meaningless.
There is no such thing as a r@pe "joke". The phrase is only used towards women to offend and intimidate. It is neither inherently or situationally humourous.
National Action advocated violence towards "foreigners" based primarily on their colour. They were not "unfortunate" to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. There is no equivalence to a few random individuals throwing milkshakes as children might when they lose their temper and can't articulate their thoughts properly.
The first man to do it was in an argument and may well have taken specific exception to a remark. Who knows. Their have since been some copycat events and the Police have now decided to step on to prevent it from being normalised.
Seems proportional enough.
Do you support far right views or are you defending free speech with the position that you are taking on this?
Anything physical done in an act of anger towards another person is violence. It's as simple as that, I don't care if you see it that way or not the law is on my side hence why someone was sent to jail for the egg incident and another has now been charged with common assult.
You're 100% correct there's no such thing as a r@pe joke just jokes. The phrase is only used to perpetuate the stereotype that women are victims.
Since jokes are subjective and you aren't the authority on what can and cannot be funny your point is nothing but a personal opinion based on nothing ideological bias.
Anything can and should be joked about. Nothing should be off limits. Humour has always been used as a way to empower and comfort during difficult times.
National Action were unlucky it's as simple as that. A street movement made up of mostly young university students who were unashamedly National Socialist were always going to get the chop regardless of what they did.
You're wrong in regards to the first man who threw a milkshake and have fallen for the media spin narrative. The video evidence proves otherwise.
I'm neither Left or Right, my positions are different depending on the subject or polices at hand, I'm also open to new ideas which either side of the spectrum they come from.
I do support freedom of expression without government intervention unless a genuine threat of violence is likely.
I've voted Labour in General and local elections and UKIP in European ones.
I am absolutely happy for you to equate the throwing of a milkshake with violence. We do need to be locking up more small children though.
The decision to prosecute is based on context, so no,you are not in the right.
It's a delight debating with someone who thinks r@pe comments directed towards women in any context are not intended to cause offence or to intimidate.
Who does this "humour" empower and comfort?
Do you think that a university education allows is a mitigating factor for racism and violence? You think that these poor misunderstood kids were victimised?
When advocating that position it is not bad luck that your organisation is classed as a terrorist group any more than if you belong to the Animal Liberation Front or Hezbollah.
We should all be open to those ideas. Eugenics too perhaps?
We aren't talking about Children here, we're talking about adults engaging in the political arena. The same adults which decry the rise of Fascism and Hate in the West. The irony is lost on them I suppose.
Political motived violence is to be condemned across the spectrum unless you want a return to 1920 Wiermar and let's not forget how that ended.
R@pe comments? We're talking about a joke here not a statement of intent. Let's not try and twist things; context is key remember.
Humour empowers many people, in fact Carl met a survivor of sexual abuse which thanked him for such. The video is on YouTube check it out. Carl himself was sexually assaulted when he was younger.
I can't change your opinion if you believe words have power. Words only have power if you allow them too and people shouldn't have to tip toe around for the sake of random people getting emotional due to snippets taken out of context.
I think young university educated students who can articulate their views much better than the skinheads of the NF are much more of a threat and better optics for their cause.
Politics in this country is nothing more than sound bites and image.
Considering that the EDL, Britain First, National Front etc etc are still all legal and allowed to carry on. I absolutely believe that the reason to ban NA was nothing more than a political motivated knee jerk reaction.
Ideas should be discussed in the open where they can be challenged in civil debate not driven underground where they fester unopposed.
State enforced Eugenics is something that I'm against but I'm not opposed to parents making a choice in regards to the quality of life for their child.
Eugenics is practiced every day anyways.
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too."
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
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I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”' |
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news "
Jo Cox husband has publicly condemned the throwing of Milkshake at Farage, and has said Politicians should be able to do their jobs without fear, or threats of intimidation or violence against them.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news
Jo Cox husband has publicly condemned the throwing of Milkshake at Farage, and has said Politicians should be able to do their jobs without fear, or threats of intimidation or violence against them.
Just a pity many on here don't seem to agree. "
I'm not sure many on here think that it's a good thing to do whoever the target is?
The OP was about if BK's tweet was an incitment to violence.
Do you think that it was?
Do you think that throwing a milkshake constitutes an act of violence? |
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”'"
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”'"
Which is the crux of the matter! If some internet sensation gamer decides that because of his fanbase, he has a legitimate right to stand as a candidate and his fans think that he is so clever and witty with his attitude to the “man” (woman in this case) as a previous generation of rebels put it, he is then given carte blanche to say what he likes in byte sized chunks and bear no responsibility for his hubris. The man is a nothing, a nobody whose sole achievement in life is to perpetuate the power of silicon valley and the fact that he has made a name for himself in the public eye by belittling an MP who probably does more of use to the planet in one day then he ever will in his entire life is frankly a fucking joke and the people who defend his right to be misogynistic and really quite unpleasant have a myopic view of the world imho. |
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You'll find that it wasn't me who mentioned R@pe jokes and opened the discussion in regards to the context of said joke.
Also protecting freedom of expression is everyone's duty in a free and democratic society.
Jess Phillips is in a constant state of victim hood, she sees her gender as a handicap. Oh well...never mind that's on her.
The dangers of identity politics I suppose.
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By *asyuk OP Man
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"You'll find that it wasn't me who mentioned R@pe jokes and opened the discussion in regards to the context of said joke.
Also protecting freedom of expression is everyone's duty in a free and democratic society.
Jess Phillips is in a constant state of victim hood, she sees her gender as a handicap. Oh well...never mind that's on her.
The dangers of identity politics I suppose.
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I didn't say that you started it. You have defended it here as you have in other threads.
The right to "joke" about r@pe.
Heroic. Shall we have a debate about it in public? Is it a good or a bad thing? |
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”'
Which is the crux of the matter! If some internet sensation gamer decides that because of his fanbase, he has a legitimate right to stand as a candidate and his fans think that he is so clever and witty with his attitude to the “man” (woman in this case) as a previous generation of rebels put it, he is then given carte blanche to say what he likes in byte sized chunks and bear no responsibility for his hubris. The man is a nothing, a nobody whose sole achievement in life is to perpetuate the power of silicon valley and the fact that he has made a name for himself in the public eye by belittling an MP who probably does more of use to the planet in one day then he ever will in his entire life is frankly a fucking joke and the people who defend his right to be misogynistic and really quite unpleasant have a myopic view of the world imho. "
Oh dear me, you'll find that it's the media who have attacked Carl constantly for a 3 year old joke rather than discussing his political opinions or policies. But what do you expect from dirty dirty smear merchants?
In the two TV interviews he's done he's tried to talk about the issues he wants to address but every time he is forced to address a joke. One which he has made clear he's not going to apologise for.
And rightly so because we don't live in an authoritarian state which decides what can and cannot be joked about...yet!
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"You'll find that it wasn't me who mentioned R@pe jokes and opened the discussion in regards to the context of said joke.
Also protecting freedom of expression is everyone's duty in a free and democratic society.
Jess Phillips is in a constant state of victim hood, she sees her gender as a handicap. Oh well...never mind that's on her.
The dangers of identity politics I suppose.
I didn't say that you started it. You have defended it here as you have in other threads.
The right to "joke" about r@pe.
Heroic. Shall we have a debate about it in public? Is it a good or a bad thing?"
You said "I don't understand how or why you've brought him into this?"
I didn't the person who mentioned the r@pe joke opened that door. Do try and keep up.
Is this forum not open to the public? Are we not having such a debate now?
Or do you mean in the street? Is that where debates usually take place is it?
You're also misrepresenting where I stand on the matter. So let me make it clear for you.
""Jokes are subjective, no one should tell anyone what they should and shouldn't find funny.
No subject should be off limits." "
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”'
Which is the crux of the matter! If some internet sensation gamer decides that because of his fanbase, he has a legitimate right to stand as a candidate and his fans think that he is so clever and witty with his attitude to the “man” (woman in this case) as a previous generation of rebels put it, he is then given carte blanche to say what he likes in byte sized chunks and bear no responsibility for his hubris. The man is a nothing, a nobody whose sole achievement in life is to perpetuate the power of silicon valley and the fact that he has made a name for himself in the public eye by belittling an MP who probably does more of use to the planet in one day then he ever will in his entire life is frankly a fucking joke and the people who defend his right to be misogynistic and really quite unpleasant have a myopic view of the world imho.
Oh dear me, you'll find that it's the media who have attacked Carl constantly for a 3 year old joke rather than discussing his political opinions or policies. But what do you expect from dirty dirty smear merchants?
In the two TV interviews he's done he's tried to talk about the issues he wants to address but every time he is forced to address a joke. One which he has made clear he's not going to apologise for.
And rightly so because we don't live in an authoritarian state which decides what can and cannot be joked about...yet!
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So basically you’re saying that he is entitled?"
Entitled to what? Telling a joke to his audience who appreciates his humour? Most definitely.
Entitled to stand for political office? Absolutely.
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"Didn't hear or see anyone from the beeb or parliament shit the bed when BBC celeb frankie boyle advised Kate Price to start dating a MMA pro fighter in order to stop her disabled child Harvey from r@ping his mom....a tripple whammy of a joke encompassing r@pe, disabled gags and a personal attack on a famous celeb. BBC love those jokes....let's give frankie a tv series!!"
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By *asyuk OP Man
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"You'll find that it wasn't me who mentioned R@pe jokes and opened the discussion in regards to the context of said joke.
Also protecting freedom of expression is everyone's duty in a free and democratic society.
Jess Phillips is in a constant state of victim hood, she sees her gender as a handicap. Oh well...never mind that's on her.
The dangers of identity politics I suppose.
I didn't say that you started it. You have defended it here as you have in other threads.
The right to "joke" about r@pe.
Heroic. Shall we have a debate about it in public? Is it a good or a bad thing?
You said "I don't understand how or why you've brought him into this?"
I didn't the person who mentioned the r@pe joke opened that door. Do try and keep up.
Is this forum not open to the public? Are we not having such a debate now?
Or do you mean in the street? Is that where debates usually take place is it?
You're also misrepresenting where I stand on the matter. So let me make it clear for you.
"Jokes are subjective, no one should tell anyone what they should and shouldn't find funny.
No subject should be off limits."
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That's why he's your hero. He likes to get attention and try and show off about how clever he is
He said what he said to get attention. He shouldn't be surprised that people don't want to follow his agenda when he signs to speak.
He used the word r@pe to try and belittle and intimidate a woman. In your eyes she's the attention seeker, so that's fine.
You said that free speech is all about allowing open debate.
So, let's debate on the merits of r@pe. Am I misrepresenting you somehow? I don't find the humour of it subjective but I'm sure that you can explain how the "joke" was funny and contributes to debate.
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news
Jo Cox husband has publicly condemned the throwing of Milkshake at Farage, and has said Politicians should be able to do their jobs without fear, or threats of intimidation or violence against them.
Just a pity many on here don't seem to agree.
I'm not sure many on here think that it's a good thing to do whoever the target is?
The OP was about if BK's tweet was an incitment to violence.
Do you think that it was?
Do you think that throwing a milkshake constitutes an act of violence?"
Yes i do think it constitutes an act of violence, the reason being that is how its seen in the eyes of the law. I go with the rule of law, and if the law declares it as an act of violence or assault, then the law has to be respected.
Do you disagree with the rule of law or UK law as it stands?
It carries a penalty of upto 6 months in jail or a fine, and i hope the courts decide to make an example out of the idiot who threw this milkshake as a deterrent to others.
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news
Jo Cox husband has publicly condemned the throwing of Milkshake at Farage, and has said Politicians should be able to do their jobs without fear, or threats of intimidation or violence against them.
Just a pity many on here don't seem to agree.
I'm not sure many on here think that it's a good thing to do whoever the target is?
The OP was about if BK's tweet was an incitment to violence.
Do you think that it was?
Do you think that throwing a milkshake constitutes an act of violence?
Yes i do think it constitutes an act of violence, the reason being that is how its seen in the eyes of the law. I go with the rule of law, and if the law declares it as an act of violence or assault, then the law has to be respected.
Do you disagree with the rule of law or UK law as it stands?
It carries a penalty of upto 6 months in jail or a fine, and i hope the courts decide to make an example out of the idiot who threw this milkshake as a deterrent to others.
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Aren't the police investigating the rpe comments? If we go by rule of law we should be condemning both.
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"Silly and immature thing to have done really. I think the effect of this will be to give Farage and the Brexit party more support as the general public see remainers can't win the argument and are now resorting to childish and immature stunts like this.
Better a Milk Shake than a Bullet.
Jo Cox R.I.P
Remember her ?
A local m.p shot dead by a childish right wing head case.
Her face she be featured across every news item featuring any fool covered with a milkshake in the news
Jo Cox husband has publicly condemned the throwing of Milkshake at Farage, and has said Politicians should be able to do their jobs without fear, or threats of intimidation or violence against them.
Just a pity many on here don't seem to agree.
I'm not sure many on here think that it's a good thing to do whoever the target is?
The OP was about if BK's tweet was an incitment to violence.
Do you think that it was?
Do you think that throwing a milkshake constitutes an act of violence?
Yes i do think it constitutes an act of violence, the reason being that is how its seen in the eyes of the law. I go with the rule of law, and if the law declares it as an act of violence or assault, then the law has to be respected.
Do you disagree with the rule of law or UK law as it stands?
It carries a penalty of upto 6 months in jail or a fine, and i hope the courts decide to make an example out of the idiot who threw this milkshake as a deterrent to others.
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Actually, in the eyes of the law common assault is a civil offence.
Throwing a milkshake can be seen as an offence or not an offence depending on the circumstances.
Someone can throw a milkshake and not be prosecuted or not be convicted of common assault.
The maximum penalty following conviction is 6 months in custody. The minimum is nothing.
The law is fine. It's both pragmatic an flexible.
You feel that punching someone is an equivalent act of violence to throwing a milkshake? What about flicking a rubber band at someone? Water bomb?
I have clearly stated that this behaviour is not helpful. A fine or custodial sentence may well be the correct punishment to prevent this from being normalised. A policy of arrest and caution may be adequate.
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It’s assault plain and simple!
Anyone remember the little boy who had a piece of cheese flicked at him and died because he was allergic?
What would have happened if Farage was allergic to an ingredient in it ?
I don’t lien the twat! But people need to account for actions |
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"It’s assault plain and simple!
Anyone remember the little boy who had a piece of cheese flicked at him and died because he was allergic?
What would have happened if Farage was allergic to an ingredient in it ?
I don’t lien the twat! But people need to account for actions "
Are you genuinely saying that flicking cheese at someone is a violent act? That there was intent to cause a child's death? What if Farage had a milkshake spilled over him accidentally and he died of an allergic reaction?
Intent to cause embarrassment is equivalent to intent to cause physical injury? Perhaps it is as a consequence of a campaign of bullying. Not much for a single incident wouldn't you say?
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"It’s assault plain and simple!
Anyone remember the little boy who had a piece of cheese flicked at him and died because he was allergic?
What would have happened if Farage was allergic to an ingredient in it ?
I don’t lien the twat! But people need to account for actions
Are you genuinely saying that flicking cheese at someone is a violent act? That there was intent to cause a child's death? What if Farage had a milkshake spilled over him accidentally and he died of an allergic reaction?
Intent to cause embarrassment is equivalent to intent to cause physical injury? Perhaps it is as a consequence of a campaign of bullying. Not much for a single incident wouldn't you say?
So, is the BK tweet inciting violence?
Should they be prosecuted as that too is an offence?"
Burger King knee exactly what their add was implying even an idiot can work that one out.
The cheese incident was a thoughtless act the milkshake was a deliberate act and an assault much like fuckwits who think it’s ok to throw snowballs at people and think that everyone else should see the funny side
It’s just a shame no one jumped up and down on the bloke who threw it a few times |
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
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Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault |
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault "
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault "
So you would give someone a prison sentence for throwing a snowball.?
I would suggest you make a snowball and throw one back.Rather than call the police. |
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault
What if I throw it at someone else as a joke. That's okay. Right? "
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault
So you would give someone a prison sentence for throwing a snowball.?
I would suggest you make a snowball and throw one back.Rather than call the police. "
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By *asyuk OP Man
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"It’s assault plain and simple!
Anyone remember the little boy who had a piece of cheese flicked at him and died because he was allergic?
What would have happened if Farage was allergic to an ingredient in it ?
I don’t lien the twat! But people need to account for actions
Are you genuinely saying that flicking cheese at someone is a violent act? That there was intent to cause a child's death? What if Farage had a milkshake spilled over him accidentally and he died of an allergic reaction?
Intent to cause embarrassment is equivalent to intent to cause physical injury? Perhaps it is as a consequence of a campaign of bullying. Not much for a single incident wouldn't you say?
So, is the BK tweet inciting violence?
Should they be prosecuted as that too is an offence?
Burger King knee exactly what their add was implying even an idiot can work that one out.
The cheese incident was a thoughtless act the milkshake was a deliberate act and an assault much like fuckwits who think it’s ok to throw snowballs at people and think that everyone else should see the funny side
It’s just a shame no one jumped up and down on the bloke who threw it a few times "
Of course BK knew what they were doing. Getting publicity.
The question is if they were inciting violence and if they were, should they be prosecuted for doing so?
I am still interested to know how you draw an equivalence between a snowball, or piece of cheese or milkshake and a punch.
Surely for the former three most people would shout at the idiot who did it and get on with there life. Perhaps you'd expect compensation for cleaning. You'd want an apology and an explanation. A punch is rather more serious I would contend. Is the gravity really the same?
Specifically in the contents of politics this behaviour constitutes a specific concern, but in general the throwing of milkshakes is not as grave as a punch. Do you really disagree? |
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"Throwing Snowballs is now assault these days.??
You're having a laugh right?
Why should you or anyone else have the right to throw w snowball or anything at anyone ?
If you’re in a group who are messing about and having a laugh fair enough but to do it to someone who is not is an assault
What if I throw it at someone else as a joke. That's okay. Right?
Why would they see it as a joke ? Just because you think it’s funny does everyone else have to ?"
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Throwing a milkshake = violence.
Think about that.
Dave was convicted of violent assault.he through a milkshake at someone who's political opinions he disliked.
Rib was convicted of violent assault. He punched someone on the face because of their skin colour.
This is the parallel you are trying to draw.
Telling people that you sell milkshakes is incitement to violence.
Telling people that they should hate and attack people from a different ethnic group should be allowed to say so to encourage open debate. Especially if you are university educated.
When the law defines assault in a manner that you approve of it is on your side.
When the law proscribes a group as terrorists they are "unlucky".
Words have no power. Radicalisation is not a thing. Grooming is not a thing.
Continuing to defend the "free speech" of a man shutting down the criticism of a woman by using a r@pe "joke" to offend and intimidate. Classy move. I believe you even said that you had a clip showing that she thought that it was "funny" because she was "laughing". She was scorning and mocking him. I'm not sure I'll trawl the internet for an abuse victim's tearful thanks for mockery.
However if you claim that a r@pe "joke" comforts victims or women in general then I'm sure it must be true.
Please enjoy your pedantry on the subject of eugenics too.
That's actually the parallel that you're trying to draw not me because you can't allow yourself to admit that you support suppression of certain speech.
Anyways, Assault is assault is assault.
You can't play down one act and heighten the other simply because it ticks your ideological boxes.
I've clearly told you my position on free speech, It's not my fault you can't see that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who believe words = violence.
Words as I have stated only have power if you allow them too. I'm not responsible for your feelings.
Hilarious, you clearly know nothing of the context of the Carl and Jess situation. Jess Phillips didn't even see the video or the tweet (as she blocked Carl before) when it first happened 3 years ago. It was only brought to her attention due to the media.
So please enlighten me how a youtube comedian has the "power to shut down" an elected politician?
Unless you believe Men have power over Women in this country regardless of the differences in social or economic status.
If anything it's the media who have constantly brought this to her attention which is telling when you speak od intimidation and creating offense.
Theres two sides to this; yet the media only seem to want to present one because it fits their narrative.
I stated that while on campaign a survivor of sexual abuse (woman) spoke to Carl and thanked him for empowering her through the use of comedy, that interview is on YouTube. As stated Carl him self was sexually assaulted and he was the one who made the joke but obviously his opinion doesn't matter because he's a man?
You seem to think that you speak for survivors of sexual abuse yet two survivors have demonstrated that jokes empower them yet they're opinion doesn't matter because it isn't compatible with yours.
I don't claim to speak for anyone except myself. You speak for us all though, right? For our right to tell r@pe jokes.
I don't really understand how or why you brought him into the discussion. Are you his publicist? I understand that Carl Benjamin is your YouTube hero so you should know that he deliberately drummed up publicity for himself by adding to his video.
Courtesy of The Guardian. They are "the media" though.
'He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t r@pe Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”
After news of police interest in Benjamin’s comments emerged, Phillips said she was verbally challenged about it by a member of the public as she left parliament.
“Just leaving Westminster and and man ran down the street alongside me asking me about why Carl Benjamin shouldn’t be able to joke about my r@pe. Shouting: ‘I pay your wages,’” the MP tweeted.
Phillips earlier told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she recently broke down in tears in Birmingham city centre “just because I felt the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse”.
The Labour MP, a frequent target of online trolls, said: “I realised that I did what all women do in these situations – I had been putting a brave face on it and pretending that it was all fine.
“It dawned on me that, for four years essentially, this man had made a career out of harassing me. And I felt harassed. I felt ‘How can somebody say that they would r@pe me if forced, and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’”
She said: “[It is] one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet but it’s a different thing when he is standing on the same platforms I am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative.”'
Lmfao that's funny. Not enough beer."
Jess Phillips calls Carl Benjamin a 'neckbeard' on Have I Got News for You
"Neckbeard", which the Urban Dictionary defines to as: "Talkative, self-important nerdy men (usually age 30 and up) who, through an inability to properly decode social cues, mistake others' strained tolerance of their blather for evidence of their own charm."
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