So, I see people putting up links to stories in various papers, or from "experts", both pro and anti brexit.
Then others jump in and comment, saying this or that paper is left or right wing biased, you can't trust what they say blah blah blah.
So, does anyone have a source for news that ISNT in some way biased?
I'm pretty sure that no-one does.
So, how are we supposed to form an educated opinion? |
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Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. "
Which is also pro remain... even though they claim to be neutral. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media.
Which is also pro remain... even though they claim to be neutral."
Which also gets accused of pro-Brexit bias by remain supporters ?????? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What absolute bollocks!
In this day and age you can choose whichever politically biased news channel you like!
Dont talk nonsense!
If you have any common sense you take everything they say with a big pinch of salt and remember who is paying the piper!
Government controlled media?
You are talking out of your arse!  |
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. "
As far as I am aware you can purchase a variety of newspapers which have nothing to do with the government. |
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media.
Which is also pro remain... even though they claim to be neutral."
The BBC receives around half a million pounds each year from the EU for "research and development".
It is impossible to calculate the amount of cash that the independent production companies (including those that provide factual or current affairs programming) that work solely for the BBC get from EU sources, but it could be as high as 10%.
It is not surprising that there is a little bit of bias. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. "
Oh don’t be so ridiculous - if you actually think you live in a society where the government controls the media, please go visit a few countries where that is actually the case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What absolute bollocks!
In this day and age you can choose whichever politically biased news channel you like!
Dont talk nonsense!
If you have any common sense you take everything they say with a big pinch of salt and remember who is paying the piper!
Government controlled media?
You are talking out of your arse! "
So the beeb isn't run by the government? And the money that you are compelled to pay by law doesn't support it? I would never be so crass as to say 'you are talking out your arse' but .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What absolute bollocks!
In this day and age you can choose whichever politically biased news channel you like!
Dont talk nonsense!
If you have any common sense you take everything they say with a big pinch of salt and remember who is paying the piper!
Government controlled media?
You are talking out of your arse!
So the beeb isn't run by the government? And the money that you are compelled to pay by law doesn't support it? I would never be so crass as to say 'you are talking out your arse' but .... "
So you think they are the same as Russia Today? Perhaps sky news is unbiased with no political agenda? Or should we be reading the morning star?
The bbc has been perfectly happy to give plenty of airtime to rabid right wing fuckwits in the belief that fairness to all opinions is good. The fact that the brexiteers want to say that its all a government managed conspiracy shows you just how utterly gullible they are. If you want everything to turn into that sclerotic old fucker murdochs view of the world then go ahead and run with it but it will cost you in the long run.
Also dont forget that the bbc is not just a news organisation, they produce some pretty good other stuff and charge you less per month than sky for a far wider choice. |
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Let us face it.
All news outlets have a bias either because they pander to their chosen audience or because they bend towards the preferences of their funding providers.
Journalists will always speak to those who they think will listen or those who pay their wages. |
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"What absolute bollocks!
In this day and age you can choose whichever politically biased news channel you like!
Dont talk nonsense!
If you have any common sense you take everything they say with a big pinch of salt and remember who is paying the piper!
Government controlled media?
You are talking out of your arse!
So the beeb isn't run by the government? And the money that you are compelled to pay by law doesn't support it? I would never be so crass as to say 'you are talking out your arse' but ....
So you think they are the same as Russia Today? Perhaps sky news is unbiased with no political agenda? Or should we be reading the morning star?
The bbc has been perfectly happy to give plenty of airtime to rabid right wing fuckwits in the belief that fairness to all opinions is good. The fact that the brexiteers want to say that its all a government managed conspiracy shows you just how utterly gullible they are. If you want everything to turn into that sclerotic old fucker murdochs view of the world then go ahead and run with it but it will cost you in the long run.
Also dont forget that the bbc is not just a news organisation, they produce some pretty good other stuff and charge you less per month than sky for a far wider choice. "
Wow!! Do you work for them ?? Christ !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What absolute bollocks!
In this day and age you can choose whichever politically biased news channel you like!
Dont talk nonsense!
If you have any common sense you take everything they say with a big pinch of salt and remember who is paying the piper!
Government controlled media?
You are talking out of your arse!
So the beeb isn't run by the government? And the money that you are compelled to pay by law doesn't support it? I would never be so crass as to say 'you are talking out your arse' but ....
So you think they are the same as Russia Today? Perhaps sky news is unbiased with no political agenda? Or should we be reading the morning star?
The bbc has been perfectly happy to give plenty of airtime to rabid right wing fuckwits in the belief that fairness to all opinions is good. The fact that the brexiteers want to say that its all a government managed conspiracy shows you just how utterly gullible they are. If you want everything to turn into that sclerotic old fucker murdochs view of the world then go ahead and run with it but it will cost you in the long run.
Also dont forget that the bbc is not just a news organisation, they produce some pretty good other stuff and charge you less per month than sky for a far wider choice. Wow!! Do you work for them ?? Christ !!"
No.... I just like being made to think and form my own opinions rather than being fed made up shit by the flat earth promoting sections of the press  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. "
Just to side note this, no you're not, you're paying the TV licence if you have ways of recieving live TV broadcasts on your premises. If you can prove you can not and do not, you'll be exempt until a re-evaluation date.
We're currently exempt until March 2020. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have you tried breitbart and the daily stormer or info wars...
No government influence at all..
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gosh no bob. I'll leave all that crazy conspiracy, gay frog stuff to the greens. I just use buzzfeed and the young turks to help form my opinions |
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Ok, this went a little sideways lol.
However, I think my point had been made....in reality, EVERY news source will have some bias to it.
Even so called "experts" who are intelligent, qualified and have a background in the subjects concerned will have their own personal leaning one way or the other.
So, in reality, when people are expressing their views on politics on a swinging site forums, you are as likely to get shot down for expressing support for the right as much as for the left, for espousing green ideology or commercialism, for being a Tory, or Labour supporter, etc.
Ok, so I kinda got this figured out now.
Hello, my name is Martin, and I'm a right of center tory/brexit/green supporter, and I don't give a flying fuck if you agree with me or not about politics, my opinion is as valid as anyone's.
Please make sure you vote on Thursday.  |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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"So, I see people putting up links to stories in various papers, or from "experts", both pro and anti brexit.
Then others jump in and comment, saying this or that paper is left or right wing biased, you can't trust what they say blah blah blah.
So, does anyone have a source for news that ISNT in some way biased?
I'm pretty sure that no-one does.
So, how are we supposed to form an educated opinion?"
People are too lazy to fact check their arguments,
Full fact and snopes can help, everytime someone says something outlandish then just go there, post the confirmation in here to prove or disprove it.
If they are wrong refer them to google safe search, because clearly they are not prepared to use the internet properly. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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In these days of social media, we have more access to news than ever before.
In terms of the papers, since the Guardian stopped being a co-OP, they are all businesses and therefore various shades of right wing.
Unless you read the Morning Star, I suppose. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There's always a risk of bias. So it's about trying to mitigate against that.
If it's a source that is then reported by the press I try and find the source to check its context. Quite often on pills you get the question which supports a view and the other questions are ignored.
For any given source I will try and look to see if they have an agenda or a biased starting position and how they control for that. Eg migrationwatch
I will look at their credibility. A PhD in astrophysics doesnt make you an expert in climate change. Eg corbyn.
I will look at how much their analysis has been critiqued. Eg minford
I will critique their analysis and draw my own conclusions as to validity. Eg hnrc Brexit analysis
Looking wider I try and see if there is a ground swell of opinion. While meta analysis doesn't tend to exist if 9 out of 10 economists say wto is bad or 9 out of 10 scientists say climate change is a thing, my starting point is its a thing and the 1 out of 10 has a higher bar to convince me. One counter positiob doesn't prove me wrong. But does give me food for thought. |
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You will bring your inherent biases to your choice/judgement of outlets that provide data to you. Anyone communicating is also subject to their biases, albeit within potential rules and standards, as well as managerial control, that could influence their output. Human perceptions are always influenced by biases, your perceptions are not reality.
When it comes to data sources, specific media outlets are understood to have biases, such as the influence/controls of Murdoch, upon his as well as the Telegraph's owners. The Mail, Express etc peddle BS as standard, albeit with a certain bent, being typically perceived as well along towards the extreme right wing on the left/right continuum. Many of these outlets could almost cetainly be seen to want to both influence as well as reflect the views of their consumers - so the data you get from them will potentially have an agenda behind its availability to you. The Guardian is viewed by some as being right wing too - but perceptions are influenced by our own interests and biases.
Government data will potentially be biased, due to the people commissioning and producing it - they may never publish the results of reports that they've commissioned but never state why that is the case. Indepedent 'think tanks' and organisations are often far from independent.
I think it's wise to be selective but also aware that however much you may believe that your opinion will not in any be influenced by what you read etc, then this is a substantially flawed perception.Often those who consider themselves to be least malleable, are those who have their opinions shifted outside of their awareness. Even advertisements that you're sure you're paying no attention to, can result in your forming favourable opinions towards or making purchases of their product.
Read widely and in depth, rather than superficially, so that you grasp the details more fully and consider the propositions of what you're finding, is my main thought on the process. I'd not consider any material from any of the UK newspapers or other media outlets, to be without bias. Scientific data, within reputable literature, is a reasonable port of call for information but this too will have some amount of bias behind it but ought to be intelligible and transparent in its motivations. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Don't think you're supposed to....
in any other country in the world you can choose which news coverage to consume. and support. Here in britain you are forced by law to support the government run news media. "
Rubbish we have a free press and you can get news from all over the world in this country.As for every other country allowing this just to name a few Russia,USA,Iran,Iraq,North Korea to many to name that o not have a free press |
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