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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
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Unfortunately unless directly impacted, no one gives a flying fuck. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
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It’s british steels fault. Wouldn’t change and adapt. Let it crumble. No company should be bailed out by the tax payer. I wonder how much in bonuses their top bosses get paid... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
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Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy. |
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"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy. "
The Government made them a 120m loan two weeks ago.....the EU didnt stop that did they? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy.
The Government made them a 120m loan two weeks ago.....the EU didnt stop that did they?"
The EU will allow loans. That loan was for British Steel to pay the EU for carbon emission credits.
State subsidy is not permitted. I believe that there are ways around it, something to do with National Security or Defence. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy. "
False. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The Tories...
They sold off British Steel...
It's not the same British Steel! "
It kinda is.
The steel industry was sold off by the Tories.
It ended up in the hands of an Indian company, Tata.
When it got in trouble a few years ago, it sold off plants like Scunthorpe for a £1 to an equity business.
The new owners rebranded it as British Steel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy.
False."
Wasn't there a package put together when tata struggled?
I've just seen the tarrifs under WTO. No wonder people aren't putting in orders! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Also WTO has its own rules about state aid. So we can't just do as we see fit.
And under wto other countries can increase the tariff to offset state aid. The way they did on China. (and iirc we voted against. Doh)
But given these only kick in if we are on wto by arguing this then your accepting full wto with no article 24. Eg no free trade with the EU.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe it was our own government who prevented tariffs being applied by the EU to the cheap chinese steel that was being dumped on the worlds markets three or so years back and this is a direct result of free market capitalism. As one less than charitable poster has said “tough shit” in as many words I guess that the livelihood of 4500 people is not important? Perhaps their local mp was not doing his job or maybe the austerity package and free market ethos of this government has actually fucked everything up? It’s probably just down to the owners though being unable to get any significant support back when it mattered, or maybe a government in free fall over brexit were too fucking dim to plan for an easily foreseeable problem? |
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"The Government ought to be able to acquire the shares for a song."
Given they are the main supplier to the railways it sort of makes sense to use their steel which is far better on many levels than others, including China..
Will require a pragmatic approach from a government with the foresight to look at the long term..
Oops..
Worrying time for all the employees and the associated jobs.. |
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Firstly, this is just one plant but the impact on the local economy and allied trades will effect many.
We should not confuse British Steel with the British steel industry as a whole.
Uncertainty over Brexit is being cited as one cause. Another is the general downturn in the world economy along with our Government's desire to use the lowest bidder for infrastructure projects such as HS2. Instead, it should look at the suppliers with the lowest carbon footprint (ie. Local).
This will end in tears. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy. "
nope... for 2 reasons...
1) the UK govt can actually step in an in effect "renationalise" the industry if there is a "national security" element to it.....(and i would argue that the making of steel is a national concern)
2) when all of this started with the chinese in effect dumping cheap steel in the EU..... the EU at that stage wanted to place a 25% tariff on the product...
27 EU countries agreed straight away...... 1 didn't, and held out for a long time (about 18 months) before finally coming round because its own plants started being in danger
want to take a wild guess at which country was the "hold out" |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
if you want a comparison for how a different administration deals with this kind of situation.... you only need to look to our neighbours to the north...
scotland.....
when their steel plants were in trouble a few years ago.... the Scottish administration in effect renationalised the plants as a going concern and then 6 months later after they had time to restructure and get the house in order, then sold it on as a reputable concern.....
so it could have been done..... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"if you want a comparison for how a different administration deals with this kind of situation.... you only need to look to our neighbours to the north...
scotland.....
when their steel plants were in trouble a few years ago.... the Scottish administration in effect renationalised the plants as a going concern and then 6 months later after they had time to restructure and get the house in order, then sold it on as a reputable concern.....
so it could have been done....."
Didn't the Scottish Government just broker the deal between Tata and Liberty? I'm not sure that they actually renationalised them.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Didn't the Scottish Government just broker the deal between Tata and Liberty? I'm not sure that they actually renationalised them.
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no... the scots govt took over the running from tata to be able to keep it running as a going concern whilst the liberty deal was going thru...... |
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Leavers should be owning this as a Brexit bonus delivering free market efficiency. It is a direct consequence of economic self interest of the non UK customer to avoid the threat of future imposed tariff costs. For what's it worth nationalisation during the ongoing Brexit negotiations would be best for the employees and the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are being misled by those opposed to Brexit.
The collapse of British Steel is due to Chinese Steel producers flooding the market with cheap, inferior steel.
It is a problem that is affecting Steel producers worldwide and is not isolated to Britain.
It is also a fact that, as we are still a member of the European Union, it is against European Law for the government to step in to save British Steel.
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"We are being misled by those opposed to Brexit.
The collapse of British Steel is due to Chinese Steel producers flooding the market with cheap, inferior steel.
It is a problem that is affecting Steel producers worldwide and is not isolated to Britain.
It is also a fact that, as we are still a member of the European Union, it is against European Law for the government to step in to save British Steel.
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See Fabio comments above and ours.
Brexit is the cause, the UK govt could have stepped in under national interest clause and we would then have a European Market to trade in - outside of the EU we are subject to cheaper prices from other competitors screwing our industries.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"We are being misled by those opposed to Brexit.
The collapse of British Steel is due to Chinese Steel producers flooding the market with cheap, inferior steel.
It is a problem that is affecting Steel producers worldwide and is not isolated to Britain.
It is also a fact that, as we are still a member of the European Union, it is against European Law for the government to step in to save British Steel.
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False on 2 counts.
The EU wanted to impose tariffs on Chinese steel but this was vetoed by the UK.
State aid rules do not prevent the UK Government acting to save the business, only to avoid doing it in a way that causes market distortion.
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"if you want a comparison for how a different administration deals with this kind of situation.... you only need to look to our neighbours to the north...
scotland.....
when their steel plants were in trouble a few years ago.... the Scottish administration in effect renationalised the plants as a going concern and then 6 months later after they had time to restructure and get the house in order, then sold it on as a reputable concern.....
so it could have been done....."
With regards to Liberty Steel the govt had to give a sweetener of a £7 million loan to the new owner. And all this was only to secure 74 jobs. |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"Governments can borrow at lower rates than business. Interest rates are at record lows. It makes economic sense when discussing industries of national importance."
It's tax payers money and that's probably the reason it wasn't announced anywhere and was only discovered later.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
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Didn't the Scottish Government just broker the deal between Tata and Liberty? I'm not sure that they actually renationalised them.
no... the scots govt took over the running from tata to be able to keep it running as a going concern whilst the liberty deal was going thru......"
From what I can see, the Scottish Government purchased the Dalzell and Clydebridge steel plants and immediately sold them to Liberty for a nominal £1.
Tata owned and maintained the works right upto the moment they gave the keys to Liberty. |
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"We are being misled by those opposed to Brexit.
The collapse of British Steel is due to Chinese Steel producers flooding the market with cheap, inferior steel.
It is a problem that is affecting Steel producers worldwide and is not isolated to Britain.
It is also a fact that, as we are still a member of the European Union, it is against European Law for the government to step in to save British Steel.
False on 2 counts.
The EU wanted to impose tariffs on Chinese steel but this was vetoed by the UK.
State aid rules do not prevent the UK Government acting to save the business, only to avoid doing it in a way that causes market distortion.
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So it was the tories, who are mainly brexiteers? If we left with no deal then effectively you are saying that they will relax tarrifs and destroy our industries right? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Governments can borrow at lower rates than business. Interest rates are at record lows. It makes economic sense when discussing industries of national importance.
It's tax payers money and that's probably the reason it wasn't announced anywhere and was only discovered later.
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Money borrowed from the market is taxpayers' money?
Sure, it gets factored into the public accounts.
But when it us recycled as a loan, and that loan is repaid with interest, no taxpayers' money is involved. |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"Governments can borrow at lower rates than business. Interest rates are at record lows. It makes economic sense when discussing industries of national importance.
It's tax payers money and that's probably the reason it wasn't announced anywhere and was only discovered later.
Money borrowed from the market is taxpayers' money?
Sure, it gets factored into the public accounts.
But when it us recycled as a loan, and that loan is repaid with interest, no taxpayers' money is involved."
It wasn't borrowed from the market and it's only a loan if it's repaid, something we know from experience doesn't always happen. When the govt decides not to mention such a major detail of the deal it tends to be for a reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are being misled by those opposed to Brexit.
The collapse of British Steel is due to Chinese Steel producers flooding the market with cheap, inferior steel.
It is a problem that is affecting Steel producers worldwide and is not isolated to Britain.
It is also a fact that, as we are still a member of the European Union, it is against European Law for the government to step in to save British Steel.
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Assuming this is nothing to do with Brexit, then it's an interesting question if Brexit then helps or hinders.
If we had a FTA with the EU it's likely to have state aid rules in it. So probably not.
If the point of Brexit is to sign better deals with China then we're probably going to be flooded harder as we will be an easier market.
Especially if the eu react to China state aid with additional tariffs.
And if we trade with China on wto and eu apply additional tarrifs then we still get flooded harder.
And any threats of increased tariffs from us will be less scary as an isolated country than part of eu. Fancy a trade war with China?
So even if Brexit isn't a cause, it feels like it will exaggerate the effect....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
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"Two days before an election and British steel will fall, because of brexit.
Who’s fault is this?
And who do you think with will gain from this in the european elections?
Who's fault is this?
Surely if British steel fails it will be the fault of the EU, as restrictive EU rules on state aid prevent the UK government from stepping in to help the company out. If we had left the EU on March 29th as promised the UK government would now be free to help British steel in any way it sees fit, without having to worry about overbearing EU Bureaucracy.
False."
not false |
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!"
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country "
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Tories assume steel workers just become male strippers
STEELWORKERS can make a good living if they retrain as male strippers, the Conservative Party has confirmed.
The government has abandoned plans for a bail-out after drawing up a ‘foolproof strategy’ for thousands of steel industry workers.
A spokesman said: “In our efforts to find out what a ‘steel worker’ is we came across an old film about some men from Sheffield who lose their ‘steel working’ jobs and form a male striptease act.
“They became very successful and everyone was happy. Stripping for money is much more dignified than ‘steel working’ which seems to involve high temperatures and grime. Ghastly.”
He added: “If absolutely necessary we could offer low interest loans so the ‘steel workers’ can retrain as male strippers, but it does look pretty straightforward. You just take your clothes off.
“And as far as we understand, the working class parts of Britain are full of d*unk, easily pleased women who will pay good money to see your naked buttocks or perhaps even a brief glimpse of your genitals.
“Off you go.” |
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over a year ago
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"Tories assume steel workers just become male strippers
STEELWORKERS can make a good living if they retrain as male strippers, the Conservative Party has confirmed.
The government has abandoned plans for a bail-out after drawing up a ‘foolproof strategy’ for thousands of steel industry workers.
A spokesman said: “In our efforts to find out what a ‘steel worker’ is we came across an old film about some men from Sheffield who lose their ‘steel working’ jobs and form a male striptease act.
“They became very successful and everyone was happy. Stripping for money is much more dignified than ‘steel working’ which seems to involve high temperatures and grime. Ghastly.”
He added: “If absolutely necessary we could offer low interest loans so the ‘steel workers’ can retrain as male strippers, but it does look pretty straightforward. You just take your clothes off.
“And as far as we understand, the working class parts of Britain are full of d*unk, easily pleased women who will pay good money to see your naked buttocks or perhaps even a brief glimpse of your genitals.
“Off you go.”"
Someone’s not taking their meds! |
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"Tories assume steel workers just become male strippers
STEELWORKERS can make a good living if they retrain as male strippers, the Conservative Party has confirmed.
The government has abandoned plans for a bail-out after drawing up a ‘foolproof strategy’ for thousands of steel industry workers.
A spokesman said: “In our efforts to find out what a ‘steel worker’ is we came across an old film about some men from Sheffield who lose their ‘steel working’ jobs and form a male striptease act.
“They became very successful and everyone was happy. Stripping for money is much more dignified than ‘steel working’ which seems to involve high temperatures and grime. Ghastly.”
He added: “If absolutely necessary we could offer low interest loans so the ‘steel workers’ can retrain as male strippers, but it does look pretty straightforward. You just take your clothes off.
“And as far as we understand, the working class parts of Britain are full of d*unk, easily pleased women who will pay good money to see your naked buttocks or perhaps even a brief glimpse of your genitals.
“Off you go.”
Someone’s not taking their meds!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money."
How would being on wto outside the eu helped. Do you think eu customers would flock back once they had certainty 20% tarrifs would apply rather just a fear? Do you think China would flood the market less once we reduce our tarrifs on their exports?
Or is it just we'd had more freedom to prop up companies that can't compete in the global arena? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
As always it's complicated.
As always The simple answer which confirms a bias is the preferred one 
The UK opposed increasing tariffs on Chinese steel proposed by the European Commission as an anti-dumping measure.
To rephrase that, the EU wanted to raise taxes on Chinese steel to make it more expensive. The UK wanted to keep prices the same.
https://fullfact.org/europe/is-uk-calling-for-lower-eu-duties-chinese-steel/
State aid can be used to make a specific investment such as to develop a new process. It can intervene with the cost of the carbon trade scheme to balance out the environmental regulation, as they have done.
The government can nationalise an industry if they can demonstrate that it would be a going-concern as a private company. However, it appears not to be.
If we were not in the EU, the WTO also has state aid rules that we would have to observe. We could be challenged by any country that chose to.
On top of that nobody will commit to future orders because nobody knows what the hell the UK is playing at.
So, once again, time to take responsibility for ourselves rather than blame others. |
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money."
What have the romans done for us?
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over a year ago
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money.
What have the romans done for us?
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money.
What have the romans done for us?
Bloody romans and their straight well drained roads! "
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money."
Some people shouldn’t even talk about certain topics because honestly they don’t know what they are talking or thinking about, if they can think of course.  |
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money.
Some people shouldn’t even talk about certain topics because honestly they don’t know what they are talking or thinking about, if they can think of course. "
Best to direct them to google safe search. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a Scunny lad I’m certain that if the steelworks is shut many old friends of mine will lose their jobs.
Had we left the EU when we should have done they wouldn’t have needed to borrow so much money. This is on the remoaners in the big house and their dithering over BREXIT.
Bastards!
It is the ERG and DUP that have delayed Brexit. This caused lack of investment and orders for the steel. Where did any of these people show they have cared about ordinary people. Once out, we are then going to be flooded by cheap steel meaning Port Talbot is also at risk, shipbuilding will be next - so don’t blame anyone other than yourself. All of this has been predicted and it is coming home to roost.
Brexit is appalling for the ordinary people of this country
Theresa May is the number one culprit, but it is the fault of all remoaners and liblabtards. She has been deliberately dragging her feet, and got the EU to agree to a deal that she knew wouldn’t get through here. The fact that she has tried to get that same deal through so many times speaks for itself. Labour and LibDem had said they would vote against any deal anyway, this one also alienates several members of her own party as well as the DUP.
It is no wonder she is trying so hard to get other party members on her side, the Tories are a disunited shambles.
Now they have another 5000 victims in British Steel workers plus other businesses that rely on them.
We should have left the EU ages ago. Fuck deals, we don’t need them, the EU is a bloody waste of time and money.
Some people shouldn’t even talk about certain topics because honestly they don’t know what they are talking or thinking about, if they can think of course.
Best to direct them to google safe search."
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China has produced more steel in the last 2 years than the UK has in its entire history, if you want to believe channel 4 news from last night.
Against a market force like that, even if your product is vastly superior you are going to struggle.
So who is to blame? Everyone and no-one, businesses come and businesses go all for different reasons but the same reason, not selling enough product. To try and pin it on one factor, in what has been a struggling industry for years under successive different governments is not possible. |
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"China has produced more steel in the last 2 years than the UK has in its entire history, if you want to believe channel 4 news from last night.
Against a market force like that, even if your product is vastly superior you are going to struggle.
So who is to blame? Everyone and no-one, businesses come and businesses go all for different reasons but the same reason, not selling enough product. To try and pin it on one factor, in what has been a struggling industry for years under successive different governments is not possible. "
Have you tried telling that to the 4500 people who work for British Steel? Or the 20000 people who are indirectly employed as part of their supply chain?
You know....the people who probably wont be able to get another real job and will end up on universal credit or will have to move away from their home and families to find work? Ah well, if the poles, rumanians, bulgarians can become economic migrants why cant we? Oh hang on a minute, that would require freedom of movement. Would you like to try using the whole of your brain next time? Empathy is good! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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There is little the government can do even if they wanted to as there hands are tied by EU law.If we where not in the EU mainly we could do something.
The thing is Trump's trade war with China began over steel,sadly we cannot compete |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"China has produced more steel in the last 2 years than the UK has in its entire history, if you want to believe channel 4 news from last night.
Against a market force like that, even if your product is vastly superior you are going to struggle. "
... and when the chinese started dumping steel in the EU, The European Commission wanted to react very quickly by placing a 25% tariff on chinese steel....
27 countries in the EU agreed straight away
1 Didn't...... and only agreed later when there own steel manufacturing sector was really under threat...
the "1" was the United Kingdom
" So who is to blame? Everyone and no-one, businesses come and businesses go all for different reasons but the same reason, not selling enough product. To try and pin it on one factor, in what has been a struggling industry for years under successive different governments is not possible. "
you are right... they haven't helped themselves, but this is one of those where you can't blame the EU,
they saw the problem,
they reacted to the problem,
they were stopped implementing a solution.....
and the ironic thing is... if we were not part of the EU at the moment, this situation would be a lot worse..... because of the 25% chinese steel tariff in place, and it stopping the chinese from retaliating on solely British made products.... |
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