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Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
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What's the relevance to UK? |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
What's the relevance to UK?"
Does there have to be a relevance to UK to post on the politics forum?
The date is set for Apple's and the irish governments appeal against the European Commission’s (EC) ruling that it must pay a massive €13B ($14.4B) in underpaid taxes to the Irish government. It demonstrates the Irish governments contempt towards its own people having to pay for years to come for the bailouts Ireland received during the crash but refuses 13B in tax from a multinational. Mind boggling. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
What's the relevance to UK?"
What was the relevance to the uk on your trump mulls over buying greenland post? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
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This whole thing was a joke. If I lived in Ireland I would be so pissed off with the government.
Imagine what that money could do for the country. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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What's the relevance to UK?What was the relevance to the uk on your trump mulls over buying greenland post?"
I asked it as a genuine question, not as a criticism.
Whether the case had an impact on UK.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
i remember some of the Brexit fan club holding up Singapore as a model - low tax, low regulation.
If you do it for one industry, you must do it for all.
Is this the EU argument?
That if you give preferential tax terms to one business, it is unfair on others - state aid?
I get that.
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I’m sure...but rules are rules that must be followed ...
Apple invested in Ireland due to their low CT.
Ireland also sweetened the deal ...
Ireland gets valuable investment and jobs ... happy days
A few years down the line Of course this wouldn’t have happened - Eu moving to singular tax regime across all members...
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And now the UK can step in and cut Corp Tax as they see fit - We welcome Multi National Business Empires to join us !!!
"I’m sure...but rules are rules that must be followed ...Apple invested in Ireland due to their low CT.
Ireland also sweetened the deal ...
Ireland gets valuable investment and jobs ... happy days
A few years down the line Of course this wouldn’t have happened - Eu moving to singular tax regime across all members..."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yes, it is the fundamental weakness of the €.
Monetary policy is centralised but fiscal policy is sovereign.
The £ zone works because both are controlled from the centre.
In € land, for the currency to work and reduce risk, fiscal policy needs to be run from centre, too.
Politically, the states do not want to give up their tax and spend independence.
So the € gets a sticking plaster until the next crisis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
This whole thing was a joke. If I lived in Ireland I would be so pissed off with the government.
Imagine what that money could do for the country. "
The site which was going to be built would have been
The Biggest apple production site 8n the world outside of China, it would have bought immense wealth 8nto Ireland not just through apple but a 100 other blue chip companies which were planning to move there to .
Apple got the sweetner to draw the other companies in.
Now Apple aren't coming i doubt the others will. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes, it is the fundamental weakness of the €.
Monetary policy is centralised but fiscal policy is sovereign.
The £ zone works because both are controlled from the centre.
In € land, for the currency to work and reduce risk, fiscal policy needs to be run from centre, too.
Politically, the states do not want to give up their tax and spend independence.
So the € gets a sticking plaster until the next crisis."
No area the size of the euro zone can work with one fiscal policy, the cuture of all the different nations and their attitude to work/saving and fraud make it impossible, and yett you want to remmain in that club, yes I kknow we arent in the euro but he fall out of the issues will affect us more and more.
While it woulld be a great idea to have one currency one government in te world it could nnever work |
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"The consequences of being in the EU club ....
Corporations having to pay tax is a positive."
They did pay CT to Ireland - the amount the Irish government asked them to.
The club disagreed and said “we want more”
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"Think the British people should not worry about ireland and their tax system .better off trying to sort out your own mess"
Yes Ireland tax system is their responsibility (other than the EU of course thinking they should have a say in how much they tax companies)
Good example of what happens when you upset the club - so maybe better we are out
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"Finally has Court date - 17th and 18th September
EU determined Ireland acted illegally by not collecting correct taxes from Apple.
EU interpreted the sweetheart deal Ireland gave Apple was "illegal state aid"
This whole thing was a joke. If I lived in Ireland I would be so pissed off with the government.
Imagine what that money could do for the country.
The site which was going to be built would have been
The Biggest apple production site 8n the world outside of China, it would have bought immense wealth 8nto Ireland not just through apple but a 100 other blue chip companies which were planning to move there to .
Apple got the sweetner to draw the other companies in.
Now Apple aren't coming i doubt the others will."
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"Yes, it is the fundamental weakness of the €.
Monetary policy is centralised but fiscal policy is sovereign.
The £ zone works because both are controlled from the centre.
In € land, for the currency to work and reduce risk, fiscal policy needs to be run from centre, too.
Politically, the states do not want to give up their tax and spend independence.
So the € gets a sticking plaster until the next crisis.
No area the size of the euro zone can work with one fiscal policy, the cuture of all the different nations and their attitude to work/saving and fraud make it impossible, and yett you want to remmain in that club, yes I kknow we arent in the euro but he fall out of the issues will affect us more and more.
While it woulld be a great idea to have one currency one government in te world it could nnever work"
Yes, you can only have so many sticky plasters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Think the British people should not worry about ireland and their tax system .better off trying to sort out your own mess
Yes Ireland tax system is their responsibility (other than the EU of course thinking they should have a say in how much they tax companies)
Good example of what happens when you upset the club - so maybe better we are out
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Ireland signed up to the rules. Maybe they should leave too if they don't like them... Help solve the border problem!! |
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"Think the British people should not worry about ireland and their tax system .better off trying to sort out your own mess
Yes Ireland tax system is their responsibility (other than the EU of course thinking they should have a say in how much they tax companies)
Good example of what happens when you upset the club - so maybe better we are out
Ireland signed up to the rules. Maybe they should leave too if they don't like them... Help solve the border problem!!"
Not a bad idea 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is old news- the Irish government knows it has to collect these taxes. The funds are off shore waiting to be collected and have already been factored into future government spending. |
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"Yes, it is the fundamental weakness of the €.
Monetary policy is centralised but fiscal policy is sovereign.
The £ zone works because both are controlled from the centre.
In € land, for the currency to work and reduce risk, fiscal policy needs to be run from centre, too.
Politically, the states do not want to give up their tax and spend independence.
So the € gets a sticking plaster until the next crisis."
Probably the first post of yours that I actually agree with.
But it will take more than a sticking plaster when Italy goes tits up. Which it will, the only question is when? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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No area the size of the euro zone can work with one fiscal policy, the cuture of all the different nations and their attitude to work/saving and fraud make it impossible, and yett you want to remmain in that club, yes I kknow we arent in the euro but he fall out of the issues will affect us more and more.
While it woulld be a great idea to have one currency one government in te world it could nnever work"
It makes little difference whether the UK is inside the EU our outside.
Western finance, from the US to Europe, is so intertwined that any currency failure anywhere will ricochet through the system. Being outside the EU won't protect the UK from contagion.
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No area the size of the euro zone can work with one fiscal policy, the cuture of all the different nations and their attitude to work/saving and fraud make it impossible, and yett you want to remmain in that club, yes I kknow we arent in the euro but he fall out of the issues will affect us more and more.
While it woulld be a great idea to have one currency one government in te world it could nnever work
It makes little difference whether the UK is inside the EU our outside.
Western finance, from the US to Europe, is so intertwined that any currency failure anywhere will ricochet through the system. Being outside the EU won't protect the UK from contagion.
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Protect? No. Minimise? Possibly. Having an independent currency? Almost certainly. |
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"Think the British people should not worry about ireland and their tax system .better off trying to sort out your own mess
Yes Ireland tax system is their responsibility (other than the EU of course thinking they should have a say in how much they tax companies)
Good example of what happens when you upset the club - so maybe better we are out
Ireland signed up to the rules. Maybe they should leave too if they don't like them... Help solve the border problem!!
Not a bad idea
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We're not that stupid. Theres a reason that the EU is more popular now than it was before Brexit and its not because you made the smart choice. |
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If people have any doubts about the contempt the Irish government has for its people they need only Google "Shell to sea"
The parasites have been lining their pockets at our expense for decades.
And to be clear lots of Irish folk use the forums hence we think Irish politics is relevant to the politics thread. |
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Protect? No. Minimise? Possibly. Having an independent currency? Almost certainly.
Demonstrably, you can be in the EU and hold a currency independent of the EU.
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For now yes. But who knows what the future will hold?
As it stands all "new" members have to set a timetable for joining the Euro.
How long before that becomes all members have to set a timetable for joining the Euro?
Removing one word makes a hell of a difference and we all know how good the EU are at moving goalposts.
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Why should Ireland leave ....the sooner Britain make up their minds what they really want .and not just always want to be the centre of attention the better for everyone else .please leave with or without a deal ..on the border ...who set up the border in the first place ... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Newbury |
Ireland tried to leave the EU before, if I remember correctly, and were made to re-run referenda until the EU got the result it wanted.
After this Apple stuff is done, it will be just in time for the EU to kick Ireland again with mercosaur... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Protect? No. Minimise? Possibly. Having an independent currency? Almost certainly.
Demonstrably, you can be in the EU and hold a currency independent of the EU.
For now yes. But who knows what the future will hold?
As it stands all "new" members have to set a timetable for joining the Euro.
How long before that becomes all members have to set a timetable for joining the Euro?
Removing one word makes a hell of a difference and we all know how good the EU are at moving goalposts.
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Untrue.
Existing members can opt out.
Demonstrably.
New members sign up in principle.
Croatia, for example, signed up in 2003 or so, but still uses the Kuna.
Any country wanting to convert to the Euro needs to meet strict convergence criteria to avoid a destabilising effect.
In reality, that can take decades.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Newbury |
"Untrue.
They had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, I think.
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You think?
Is this a slow handclap moment?
Either way, the EU is merrily fucking over Irish farmers and beef (one of Ireland's important exports) by bringing in cheap meat from across the globe to undercut them. |
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Ireland never voted on leaving ...maybe Britain should vote again . As they were not in their right minds with the last one .anyway parliament can't agree on what time to go to lunch let alone terms of leaving .
Think they want the other members or euros. To beg them .please. please don't leave .we need you .
Europe doesn't need Britain. You kept your own currency didn't make any difference .Europe will go on without you as will ireland. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Untrue.
They had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, I think.
You think?
Is this a slow handclap moment?
Either way, the EU is merrily fucking over Irish farmers and beef (one of Ireland's important exports) by bringing in cheap meat from across the globe to undercut them."
Ireland can veto that trade agreement if it wishes.
Trade agreements require unanimous agreement.
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"Untrue.
They had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, I think.
You think?
Is this a slow handclap moment?
Either way, the EU is merrily fucking over Irish farmers and beef (one of Ireland's important exports) by bringing in cheap meat from across the globe to undercut them.
Ireland can veto that trade agreement if it wishes.
Trade agreements require unanimous agreement.
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Look up Phil Hogan
This guy epitomizes the greedy self serving politicians of Ireland.
Make a balls of your portfolio and get rewarded with a sweet well paid pensioned EU job.
When will people wake up to the fact these cockroaches serve no one but them selves.
Hence don't be surprised if Ireland votes against the interests of its farmers |
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