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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol....." FARAGE RACIST C#€T | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... FARAGE RACIST C#€T" no thats very harsh and offside | |||
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"No, a vote for brexit was for a misguided nostalgia." I think people were worried we'd end up as fucked as Sweden is..! | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... FARAGE RACIST C#€Tno thats very harsh and offside" Go to telly ref | |||
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"I’m not at all happy about Brexit, but at least the NHS will be receiving £350 million a week from now on. " | |||
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"I’m not at all happy about Brexit, but at least the NHS will be receiving £350 million a week from now on. " Always a silver lining eh? | |||
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"I’m not at all happy about Brexit, but at least the NHS will be receiving £350 million a week from now on. " Oh atleast all the foreign folk will be out of the country....just hope noone clicks on that I am a foreigner too..... | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad Peace love xx" Nobody has been asked to leave surely | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad Peace love xx Nobody has been asked to leave surely" No but we've suddenly had to apply for my 93 year old nan to be able to stay or she potentially could have been or denied her pension and NHS care despite having been here since the 1940s and the last time she lived in her country of birth it was under Nazi occupation. | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol....." I'll be there, m8. Topped off with a drink at Tim Martin's Spoons. | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad" | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad Peace love xx Nobody has been asked to leave surely No but we've suddenly had to apply for my 93 year old nan to be able to stay or she potentially could have been or denied her pension and NHS care despite having been here since the 1940s and the last time she lived in her country of birth it was under Nazi occupation." Now it starts, my father came from Hungry and is in the same position he came here in 1956 he was 20 years old. | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad Peace love xx" I'm with you mate. They sang us auld lang syne in the EU parliament meanwhile we're singing them "17 million fuck offs" I kind of hope they do get that song to number one. Spiteful as it is. I'm resigned to it. Acceptance will come in time... | |||
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"Sad fair well to all our European cousins The worlds gone fucking mad Peace love xx" | |||
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"I’m not at all happy about Brexit, but at least the NHS will be receiving £350 million a week from now on. " Those of us in the NHS wish this wasn't complete and utter bollocks,possibly as much as we wish Jeremy *unt didnt get his new position,ugh! | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... FARAGE RACIST C#€Tno thats very harsh and offside" Apart from mis-spelling the C word. It's pretty accurate. | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... FARAGE RACIST C#€Tno thats very harsh and offside Apart from mis-spelling the C word. It's pretty accurate. " My mistake FARAGE CUNT WANKER | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... FARAGE RACIST C#€Tno thats very harsh and offside Apart from mis-spelling the C word. It's pretty accurate. My mistake FARAGE CUNT WANKER "That's better. | |||
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"I like him,he's about as racist as you aren't rude and offensive....lol" All this tells us is that you likely share the same values as Farage. Which reflects badly on your character. | |||
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"That's what it may tell you from the Sourh West,you don't know where you are let alone who lol "Current geographical location is unrelated whatever it is you're trying to accuse me of. | |||
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"Just another day, the world wont stop turning." Well worth the billions lost to the british economy then? | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol....." I love posts like this. You do know that Farages kids have applied for German passports?? | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I love posts like this. You do know that Farages kids have applied for German passports?? " What a tosser farage is a two face moron as with Johnson. | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I love posts like this. You do know that Farages kids have applied for German passports?? " I think their mother is German do would they not ? | |||
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"Just another day, the world wont stop turning. Well worth the billions lost to the british economy then?" Lost to the elite even.. | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I love posts like this. You do know that Farages kids have applied for German passports?? I think their mother is German do would they not ?" Yes their mum is German, they were born in the U.K. and have British passports. They have applied for German ones | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I love posts like this. You do know that Farages kids have applied for German passports?? I think their mother is German do would they not ? Yes their mum is German, they were born in the U.K. and have British passports. They have applied for German ones " As is their right... | |||
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"I will mark the departure at 11 pm" . But you are in Ireland , you are not really leaving , you are just pretending to leave ,, or do you mean you are marking the departure of Ireland from the rest of the UK with the Boris Border down the Irish Sea ????  | |||
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"I will mark the departure at 11 pm. But you are in Ireland , you are not really leaving , you are just pretending to leave ,, or do you mean you are marking the departure of Ireland from the rest of the UK with the Boris Border down the Irish Sea ???? "Get it right.... at the moment I live in NORTHERN IRELAND ( part of the United Kingdom). Which is leaving the EU. Hadn’t you heard ? | |||
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"I will mark the departure at 11 pm. But you are in Ireland , you are not really leaving , you are just pretending to leave ,, or do you mean you are marking the departure of Ireland from the rest of the UK with the Boris Border down the Irish Sea ????
Get it right.... at the moment I live in NORTHERN IRELAND ( part of the United Kingdom). Which is leaving the EU. Hadn’t you heard ?". Not leaving in the same way as the rest of the United Kingdom, The begining of the end of a divided Ireland , Be careful of what you wish ( or vote ) for | |||
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"Just another day, the world wont stop turning. Well worth the billions lost to the british economy then?" Hasn't affected me, doubt it has affected anyone on this forum although I am expecting someone will find some spurious way it has. | |||
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"No, a vote for brexit was for a misguided nostalgia." give it a rest | |||
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"Going forward, who will pay for France's pension black hole?" France. State pensions are just that. Nothing to do with the EU. I'm more worried about the UK's. A | |||
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"Going forward, who will pay for France's pension black hole? France. State pensions are just that. Nothing to do with the EU. I'm more worried about the UK's. A" I expect they'll push our retirement age up to 80 ish! | |||
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"Boris supporters thinks it will be a paradise lol." according to you we arnt leaving lol | |||
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"Going forward, who will pay for France's pension black hole? France. State pensions are just that. Nothing to do with the EU. I'm more worried about the UK's. A I expect they'll push our retirement age up to 80 ish!" A brexit benefit? | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe." We could have stayed in Erasmus, it’s nothing to do with the EU. The tories know it plays well to their crowd to get rid of it though. | |||
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"Having seen Jim Davidson unveiling a portrait of Farage today off the back of the flag waving bollocks yesterday I'm even more contemptuous of the whole debacle. " I like Jim Davidson.. | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe." That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. " My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. " I have heard differently thst they will lose it snd as well people from britain will lose thier right to their eu health card for emergency treatment. | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. I have heard differently thst they will lose it snd as well people from britain will lose thier right to their eu health card for emergency treatment." Yeah I believe EHIC is definitely finished. As is the British citizens right to use any EU nation’s embassy if there’s no UK embassy available | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. I have heard differently thst they will lose it snd as well people from britain will lose thier right to their eu health card for emergency treatment." thats why we have travel insurance | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. I have heard differently thst they will lose it snd as well people from britain will lose thier right to their eu health card for emergency treatment.thats why we have travel insurance " Which is a poor replacement, especially to those who have existing conditions. | |||
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" I won't be celebrating until they've bricked up the tunnel..and placed mines in the English Channel "I have a feeling you won’t get the fortress Britain you desire. I predict years of dissatisfaction with the Boris Brexit Britain. | |||
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"UK students will also lose their rights like grants and free education in europe. That's still to be negotiated. Non EU countries are free to partake in EU education schemes but have to pay to do so. The UK educated EU students on a scale of 2 of theirs to 1 of ours on the Erasmus scheme. My bad - I’ve just read a contradictory report that says the tories are actually committed to retaining Erasmus beyond 2020 - though they voted against making it a priority in the commons. I hope we retain the scheme - it’s a great idea which has benefitted hundreds of thousands of students. I have heard differently thst they will lose it snd as well people from britain will lose thier right to their eu health card for emergency treatment.thats why we have travel insurance Which is a poor replacement, especially to those who have existing conditions." That is right it is and not just that all the eu funding to the uk and especially wales that gets the most will end as well. | |||
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"At the last 2 PMQs, the PM confirmed our continuance in the scheme after Brexit " And he has a track record of sticking to his promises... Oh wait.... | |||
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"Fuck the EU " | |||
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"Finally, we are out..! " What did we win? | |||
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"Freedom "What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today? | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today? "If what you say is correct why have the remainers spent the last three and a half years trying to stop the UK from leaving? | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today? "The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals."And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million? | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
If what you say is correct why have the remainers spent the last three and a half years trying to stop the UK from leaving? "Because there’s plenty of evidence that Brexit will harm the economy, and it will unarguably remove citizens rights like Freedom of movement. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals."Incidentally any trade deals negotiated now can’t take effect until the end of transition. We are as of 23:00 hours officially an EU law taker, not a law maker. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
If what you say is correct why have the remainers spent the last three and a half years trying to stop the UK from leaving?
Because there’s plenty of evidence that Brexit will harm the economy, and it will unarguably remove citizens rights like Freedom of movement."Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. | |||
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"Harm the economy ?. How So ?" Ask an MP who’s seen the impact assessments that they didn’t allow the public to view. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. " So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million? "It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK."Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc? | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. " The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. " That’s just abject nonsense. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?"Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. " It true though isn't it. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it." Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?
Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave.
"The EEC was always formed with greater unity in mind. That was made clear in 1973 and again in the 1975 referendum by various speeches. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?
Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave.
The EEC was always formed with greater unity in mind. That was made clear in 1973 and again in the 1975 referendum by various speeches."Well the British public decided they didn't want it. So we have now left.! | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. " Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it?" The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?
Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave.
The EEC was always formed with greater unity in mind. That was made clear in 1973 and again in the 1975 referendum by various speeches.
Well the British public decided they didn't want it. So we have now left.!"Still have to abide by their rules though, don’t we? Still in the single market aren’t we? Keep your powder dry for December. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours?" I for one am just glad this didn't get personal and people got blocked over a difference of opinions 
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol....." If Farage had done his job when he was an MEP, there would be no need for Brexit. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? I for one am just glad this didn't get personal and people got blocked over a difference of opinions
"Some people deserve to be blocked. Especially when they go snooping at other people’s profile after commenting in the forum. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? I for one am just glad this didn't get personal and people got blocked over a difference of opinions
Some people deserve to be blocked. Especially when they go snooping at other people’s profile after commenting in the forum."Snooping on a public forum to see who one might be conversing with? Yeah lad you make all the sense | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours?" Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. !" Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. " I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.! | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.!" I’m absolutely a remainer, I’m interested in knowing how the EU somehow stopped our passport being British? It literally makes no sense. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.! I’m absolutely a remainer, I’m interested in knowing how the EU somehow stopped our passport being British? It literally makes no sense." For a start you will have to class yourself as a rejoiner from now on.! Lol Secondly because it has European Union printed on it. A United Kingdom passport never had that printed on it and at some point new passports will not either. | |||
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"Sad. Now we'll be tied to the US. " ? | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.! I’m absolutely a remainer, I’m interested in knowing how the EU somehow stopped our passport being British? It literally makes no sense. For a start you will have to class yourself as a rejoiner from now on.! Lol Secondly because it has European Union printed on it. A United Kingdom passport never had that printed on it and at some point new passports will not either." But it’s just words. And those words actually increased the freedom of that passport holder. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.! I’m absolutely a remainer, I’m interested in knowing how the EU somehow stopped our passport being British? It literally makes no sense." Is it possible for you to make an augment with descending into condescension? I'm out there's no point arguing with children who spout conjecture as fact and try to give the impression they've had personal access to top secret documentation
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. That’s just abject nonsense. It true though isn't it. Not at all. That’s why I called it nonsense. Oh really! So what does your passport currently have on it? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What about yours? Mine has European Union at the top. I suspect yours does as well but you have decided omit that piece of information. ! Does that negate the bit that follows it then? You’ll have to explain it. Because as I’m sure you know, leaving the EU makes the British passport more restrictive, it actually limits the freedom that brexiters like to harp on about it. I find it strange that someone who is probably a remainer and is not to happy about the UK leaving the EU, would fail to mention that they have European Union printed at the top of their passport.! I’m absolutely a remainer, I’m interested in knowing how the EU somehow stopped our passport being British? It literally makes no sense. Is it possible for you to make an augment with descending into condescension? I'm out there's no point arguing with children who spout conjecture as fact and try to give the impression they've had personal access to top secret documentation
Glad you blocked us, highlights your inability to remain adult about discourse. "I’ve had access to nothing. I’ve spoken to a few MP’s though - I’m a politics geek, it’s what I do. | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. " but isn't the all new British blue passport going to be made in France ?? Seems a nonsense to me if it is | |||
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" Fantastic, never did like freedom of movement. So you’re a fan of removing citizens rights? That’s quite some slippery slope you’re on there, fella. The EU took the right away of the British people of having a United Kingdom passport. So don't start that bollox. but isn't the all new British blue passport going to be made in France ?? Seems a nonsense to me if it is " . Yes ,we could chose the colour of our passport while a member of the EU , we chose red , then the brexitiers decided having blue passport would be important ,what followed was the company producing the red passports in the north east of England lost the contract with the conservative government awarding the contact for the new blue passports to a firm in France ,,,,,,,on a lighter note , ironically, the winner of the 5'0'clock race at Dundalk today was a horse called ,,,, MAY REMAIN | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?
Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave.
"Once again, this is what we signed up for when we joined the EEC agreeing to the Treaty of Rome. Articles 2 and 3 below. What's your argument? ARTICLE 2 The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it. ARTICLE 3 For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein (a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and of quantitative restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having equivalent effect; (b) the establishment of a common customs tariff and of a common commercial policy towards third countries; (c) the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons, services and capital; (d) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of agriculture; (e) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of transport; (f) the institution of a system ensuring that competition in the common market is not distorted; (g) the application of procedures by which the economic policies of Member States can he co-ordinated and disequilibria in their balances of payments remedied; (h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the proper functioning of the common market; (i) the creation of a European Social Fund in order to improve employment opportunities for workers and to contribute to the raising of their standard of living; (j) the establishment of a European Investment Bank to facilitate the economic expansion of the Community by opening up fresh resources; (k) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade and to promote jointly economic and social development. | |||
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"Going forward, who will pay for France's pension black hole?" France. As it does now...or does not | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones." That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny." Amen ?? | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny." Please don’t die ... I love you xx | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny." Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details  | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol....." I was out and saw nobody celebrating. Quite quiet for a Friday night in London. A few Europeans feeling pretty sad and rejected though, so that's something to celebrate, right? | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details "We have total control now and are in demand from the 2 biggest economy's on the planet, we don't need no huawei 5g | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
We have total control now and are in demand from the 2 biggest economy's on the planet, we don't need no huawei 5g"That was as coherent a response as I expected | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I was out and saw nobody celebrating. Quite quiet for a Friday night in London. A few Europeans feeling pretty sad and rejected though, so that's something to celebrate, right?" No one in London celebrated or cared. In other news the mayor of Berlin said the new Tesla factory was like winnng the lottery ! The factory could have been built in the UK - but wasnt because of Brexit. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details "Well said - | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny." We will never be sovereign - we just let the Chinese govt own our telco infrastructure Its just question of who you get in bet with I am looking forward to the trade deal with India - to do a trade deal with India - we will have to give them about 100 to 300k visas. I wonder how Nasty little Farage will like that. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details "This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term. Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently."Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count. Nobody is denying anybody voting rights. You are making a non-argument. The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will. Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way | |||
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"....so is anyone out tomorrow eve raising a glass to the Farage and his successful campaign to open new doors to a bright new future for the United Kingdom away from the E.U....dont all shout at once lol..... I was out and saw nobody celebrating. Quite quiet for a Friday night in London. A few Europeans feeling pretty sad and rejected though, so that's something to celebrate, right? No one in London celebrated or cared. In other news the mayor of Berlin said the new Tesla factory was like winnng the lottery ! The factory could have been built in the UK - but wasnt because of Brexit. " But we're going to get a new 50p! So the huge loss to the economy, social rights, environmental protection, food safety standards, workers rights etc. Will be worth it. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way "Sounds like you are making a case for Euthanasia.. | |||
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"Freedom
What will you be free to do tomorrow that you can’t today?
The UK with now be able to make its own trade deals.
And if you’re trying to negotiate a trade deal, is it better to do so with a potential customer base of half a billion people, or 60million?
It's better to negotiate a trade deal which suits the people in the UK.
Like one with really good tariff free trade with the world’s largest trade bloc?
Well if the EU (formally the EEC) had just remained someone we had free trade with I doubt we would have voted to leave.
Once again, this is what we signed up for when we joined the EEC agreeing to the Treaty of Rome. Articles 2 and 3 below. What's your argument?
ARTICLE 2
The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and
progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote
throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a
continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the
standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it.
ARTICLE 3
For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as
provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein
(a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and of quantitative
restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having
equivalent effect;
(b) the establishment of a common customs tariff and of a common commercial
policy towards third countries;
(c) the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for
persons, services and capital;
(d) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of agriculture;
(e) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of transport;
(f) the institution of a system ensuring that competition in the common market is not
distorted;
(g) the application of procedures by which the economic policies of Member States
can he co-ordinated and disequilibria in their balances of payments remedied;
(h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the
proper functioning of the common market;
(i) the creation of a European Social Fund in order to improve employment
opportunities for workers and to contribute to the raising of their standard of
living;
(j) the establishment of a European Investment Bank to facilitate the economic
expansion of the Community by opening up fresh resources;
(k) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade
and to promote jointly economic and social development."Sounds like the people who voted to join didn't know what they were voting for | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny." Not at all it is cos the older generation doesnt have anything to lose there. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way "My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision? Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades."Easy win? Against a labour party massively disjointed with an unelectable leader - yep. But don't forget that now Boris has 'got brexit done' (even if not in reality til the end of 2020 and way beyond) that the buck now stops firmly with the Tories. There'll be no means to blame remainers or Labour if things don't turn out as leavers wanted. There'll be no accountability for any job losses, economic damage or unkept leave promises bar with the government. If all goes to shit then a lot of people will be very unhappy and looking to blame someone. And that won't be the EU, the Labour party or anyone that voted remain. With the majority he has and carte blanche to do as he pleases it'll all land firmly on Johnson's doorstep. And rightly so. So lets see what happens over the next 12 months. 
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades."The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold | |||
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"Im expecting a no deal exit in a year's time." I was expecting that the second Johnson got into power. As were many. The clues have been there all along. A | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades.
The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold "Should the older generation be able to vote lets say the over 67 cos the future is with the younger ones. I would even say lower the voting age. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades.
The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold Should the older generation be able to vote lets say the over 67 cos the future is with the younger ones. I would even say lower the voting age."I would lower the voting age to 16 but you can’t stop older people from voting unless they are incapable. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades.
The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold Should the older generation be able to vote lets say the over 67 cos the future is with the younger ones. I would even say lower the voting age.
I would lower the voting age to 16 but you can’t stop older people from voting unless they are incapable. "I meant *should the older generation not be able to vote from the age of 67 and yes lower it to 16 sounds good too. | |||
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"Children voting? No. If they change the law so that 16 is the new 18 then sure, let them vote. " Yeah, let’s hope that happens . | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades.
The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold Should the older generation be able to vote lets say the over 67 cos the future is with the younger ones. I would even say lower the voting age.
I would lower the voting age to 16 but you can’t stop older people from voting unless they are incapable. I meant *should the older generation not be able to vote from the age of 67 and yes lower it to 16 sounds good too."You can’t stop people over 67 from voting I know if I reach that age I will want vote | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades."Brilliant | |||
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" The majority of older people voted for Brexit, the majority of younger people voted to remain, these are facts . Of course the older generation has a right to vote and I am sure they can justify their reasons for voting to leave . Personally I hope Brexit is a success even though I voted to remain, either way the comedy value from the likes of Farage and their ‘celebration ‘ last night is priceless , some of the interviews with the people there are comedy gold "That's a good way to look at it. I personally think Brexit could be bad for UK and if given a chance, I would have voted remain. But the truth is no one has enough data or skill to predict the future. People on either side of the line can only make guesses. No one knows for sure. Right now, all we can hope for is that it turns out good for the UK. Whenever a party loses the elections, both the party and supporters take the blame, gather some feedback on how they can do better and act on it. The conservative parties all around the world, even with their questionable ideologies have done this for many years and have started winning elections. For left wing parties to win elections, they need to learn from it. But what do I see? Blame game within leaders. Calling people stupid and racist because they voted for the other party. Keeping themselves at a high pedestal of morality and intelligence while acting condescendingly to others. They should stop doing all this nonsense and start listening to problems of people who voted against them. It's funny when I see lines like "if you are a brexiter or a tory or trump supporter, don't talk to me" in social media. This is the kind of behaviour you expect from conservative people historically. But the opposite is happening these days. If this is going to continue, I don't see the political tide changing soon. | |||
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"You will find that the older generation that voted brexit wont be as much affected then the younger ones. That is the thickest comment on here by far and that is some achievement.Old people like us have children and we also have several grandchildren. Do you think we voted to Leave so we would be personally better off ? How thick is that as we will be dead in a few years. We voted because we believe (rightly or wrongly,time will tell) that it is better for our country and therefore for our children and our grandchildren to be a sovereign and independent country in control of of our own destiny. Whatever your logic may be, and I do not doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, significantly more older people wanted Brexit than younger people. 65+ 64% Leave 60-64 60% Leave 25-49 46% Leave 18-24 29% Leave However, older people will not see as much of the effect of Brexit as younger ones as they simply will not be here. That is not controversial surely? How you define "control" relative to the demands of the USA, China and the EU is very much up for debate. Look up Huawei for details
This age demography thing is such a silly argument. If that's the case, any election should be held only for the millennials because what a political party does in a five year period will have a long term effect. And why not let the kids in the school also to vote? They are also the ones who will be affected long term.
Every age demography is important. People who are over 65 had children and grandchildren and they have seen more in their lives than the one in twenties. So they will have more knowledge about certain things. The votes of people in twenties also matter because they think about modern ideologies and future. Both votes are important for to take any decision. It's appalling that liberals have to stoop so low to deny voting rights for the old people to get what they want. And then they are the defenders of democracy apparently.
Nobody said that any the votes shouldn't count.
Nobody is denying anybody voting rights.
You are making a non-argument.
The point is that the old are imposing an opinion on the young which they will not have to live with for very long but the young will.
Please feel free to address that point and deny it in some way
My point still stands. The old have lot more wisdom and experience in the world than the young. They have the right to contribute in these matters. Still someone who is 65 years old could live for 15 years more which is a reasonable lifetime in the country and they have the right to choose. Even if you are 25 years old, there is no guarantee that you are going to live in the country forever. Should we also deny voting rights for people living abroad because they are not living in this country to face the effects of their decision?
Maybe the remainers should look at the mirror and figure out what they really did wrong. Instead, all I see is everyone trying to find laughable excuses. "Age demography", "people are racists", "people are stupid", "right wing media", "second referendum". With this kind of attitude, I am pretty sure that the conservatives are going to have an easy win for decades."Did wrong? How is having a different opinion to you doing something wrong? Yeah slightly more people agreed with you than disagreed but that doesn't make those who disagreed wrong. They just want something different to you. | |||
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"Why o why do those who wanted to leave or remain have to keep belittling the those who voted the other way? We all know that the polls show a pretty even split of opinion. There's no right or wrong and it's daft to say the British people decided emphatically either way. A poll on one day decided 'in or out' on a simple majority. It's how the poll was designed ... and that's how democracy works. So we're now out. At a later date we may decide to seek a return to the EU. But that's not now. Now we have to negotiate trade deals as best we can with at least three major trading blocks/countries that dwarf our economy. We'll just have to see how that works out. In the meantime, let's respect different views and move on from the playground politics of the last few years. " you've made a very important point. In out referendum with simple majority. The month before or the month after it may have swung the other way. Whilst the referendum may have been a democratic process, it really isn't suitable for something so complex with potentially a devastating impact for our economy. Farage made a point before the referendum when he said that in a 52:48 remain victory there would be unfinished business. He was right. 48% of people voting Leave would have been a significant number. Over time that figure may have shifted either way. Revisiting the referendum 5 years later may have been wise idea especially if the polls were indicating a shift in opinion. What's happening now is that the decision on June 2016 is final and the 48% are told to shut up and, going by last night celebrations, some Brexiters feel we should be jailed! | |||
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" Did wrong? How is having a different opinion to you doing something wrong? Yeah slightly more people agreed with you than disagreed but that doesn't make those who disagreed wrong. They just want something different to you." When I said wrong, I didn't mean it in a moral sense. I meant the campaigning methods and how they tried to convince people. Maybe the remainers could have done something different to sway more votes in their favour. | |||
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"Can we go back yet please thankyou?" No, apparently not. If you love the EU so much you are a traitor and should move there. Brexiters eh?! | |||
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" Did wrong? How is having a different opinion to you doing something wrong? Yeah slightly more people agreed with you than disagreed but that doesn't make those who disagreed wrong. They just want something different to you. When I said wrong, I didn't mean it in a moral sense. I meant the campaigning methods and how they tried to convince people. Maybe the remainers could have done something different to sway more votes in their favour." I agree, they should have told lies, big massive lies. It might have worked | |||
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" When I said wrong, I didn't mean it in a moral sense. I meant the campaigning methods and how they tried to convince people. Maybe the remainers could have done something different to sway more votes in their favour. I agree, they should have told lies, big massive lies. It might have worked " Exactly this. Keep deluding that it was the lies which turned the votes. | |||
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" Did wrong? How is having a different opinion to you doing something wrong? Yeah slightly more people agreed with you than disagreed but that doesn't make those who disagreed wrong. They just want something different to you. When I said wrong, I didn't mean it in a moral sense. I meant the campaigning methods and how they tried to convince people. Maybe the remainers could have done something different to sway more votes in their favour." Meh. People want what they want. It's pretty clear from the result and that of the many elections we have had in recent years that at present our country has moved further to the right and become more nationlist. There's still a lot of us on the left/internationalist side, especially in my age group but for now we're in the minority and I don't think there's a great deal we can do about that until something causes a dramatic shift in political tides. No idea what could cause that personally. | |||
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