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But I thought all terrorists were either Muslim or leftwing and all Muslims and leftwingers were either terrorists, fellow travelers or sympathisers because they believe in the same "sick philosophy" or ideas. Clearly, as this guy wasn't leftwing or Muslim, he simply can't really be a terrorist. Maybe he was just mentally ill or unstable, like the guy who killed Joe Cox or Tommy when he beat his partner. That has to be the case; doesn't it?
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"But I thought all terrorists were either Muslim or leftwing and all Muslims and leftwingers were either terrorists, fellow travelers or sympathisers because they believe in the same "sick philosophy" or ideas. Clearly, as this guy wasn't leftwing or Muslim, he simply can't really be a terrorist. Maybe he was just mentally ill or unstable, like the guy who killed Joe Cox or Tommy when he beat his partner. That has to be the case; doesn't it?
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
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Yes, but my definition of terrorism is trying to make people afraid and attacking civilians.
Who defines terrorism though?
If your country is invaded by a foreign power and you attack foreign troops and "collaborators" is that terrorism? That would have made every resistance group in WWII a terrorist.
Over-simplification of any complex definition creates its own problems. |
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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
We should all try to understand what drives this hatred simply labelling and blaming won’t help.
Is it possible to have a discussion about this without being called a terrorist sympathiser? |
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Like any word, there are pretty standard definitions, accepted by society. Meanings can be found in things called dictionaries. As with any bias , individuals can make up their nonsense definitions to meet their own narrow, biased , bigoted, racist minds. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
Yes, all terrorism is abhorrent ?
And the point is ?"
I suspect the point is that there will be far fewer people on this site, and in general, loudly proclaiming their outrage about the far right terrorist attack in Germany than there would be if it were an Islamic one. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Like any word, there are pretty standard definitions, accepted by society. Meanings can be found in things called dictionaries. As with any bias , individuals can make up their nonsense definitions to meet their own narrow, biased , bigoted, racist minds. "
Agreed |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"But I thought all terrorists were either Muslim or leftwing and all Muslims and leftwingers were either terrorists, fellow travelers or sympathisers because they believe in the same "sick philosophy" or ideas. Clearly, as this guy wasn't leftwing or Muslim, he simply can't really be a terrorist. Maybe he was just mentally ill or unstable, like the guy who killed Joe Cox or Tommy when he beat his partner. That has to be the case; doesn't it?
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Right and left wing extremism is the basically the same thing,both exist |
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
Yes, but my definition of terrorism is trying to make people afraid and attacking civilians.
Who defines terrorism though?
If your country is invaded by a foreign power and you attack foreign troops and "collaborators" is that terrorism? That would have made every resistance group in WWII a terrorist.
Over-simplification of any complex definition creates its own problems."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
We should all try to understand what drives this hatred simply labelling and blaming won’t help.
Is it possible to have a discussion about this without being called a terrorist sympathiser?"
Is it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
We should all try to understand what drives this hatred simply labelling and blaming won’t help.
Is it possible to have a discussion about this without being called a terrorist sympathiser?"
It is possible to discuss what drives this kind of violence without being labelled a terrorist sympathiser.
It is important to discuss what drives the violence, but that is different from having any sympathy whatsoever with the perpetrator. It is the othering that has occurred by many commentators in Germany, the rise of the AfD and other right wing extremists which is fuelling a rise in neo-Nazi ideology amongst a fringe there. So no sympathy, but we have to understand how this sick ideology spews from the likes of the AfD. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"How many of u soft , left wing liberals have come face to face with murdering terrorist scum?. Not many I would guess"
How many people with hard right wing views have?
Not many I guess.
Pointless question really.
What is the point that you want to make?
Terrorism is unacceptable. Nobody here disagrees.
Do you think that you deal with terrorism best by ignoring the reasons behind it? Do you have a solution? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many of u soft , left wing liberals have come face to face with murdering terrorist scum?. Not many I would guess"
I’ve come face to face with terrorist sympathising scum recently. He was a card carrying Orangeman.
What’s your point?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
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Your terrorist is my "freedom fighter"
My terrorist may be your "freedom fighter"
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Terrorism has been in human nature since humans evolved. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many of u soft , left wing liberals have come face to face with murdering terrorist scum?. Not many I would guess"
Have you? Do tell us more if you can or are you just making it up?  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
Your terrorist is my "freedom fighter"
My terrorist may be your "freedom fighter"
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Terrorism has been in human nature since humans evolved."
Conflict is in human nature.
I don't think that terrorism is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All terrorism is abhorrent
Your terrorist is my "freedom fighter"
My terrorist may be your "freedom fighter"
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Terrorism has been in human nature since humans evolved.
Conflict is in human nature.
I don't think that terrorism is."
a nice little read;
Chapter 6 Political Terrorism: A Social Psychological Perspective
N ehemia Friedland |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Yep - my solution has always been to STB. "
I assume that means "Shoot The Bastards".
Do you also shoot their wives, parents, children other relatives and friends to prevent resentment and the thirst for revenge?
If not, how do you resolve that? "Re-education"? Containment in a ghetto? Imprisonment? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"All terrorism is abhorrent
Your terrorist is my "freedom fighter"
My terrorist may be your "freedom fighter"
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Terrorism has been in human nature since humans evolved.
Conflict is in human nature.
I don't think that terrorism is.
a nice little read;
Chapter 6 Political Terrorism: A Social Psychological Perspective
N ehemia Friedland "
I will try to have a look.
It will take a lot for me to be convinced that inflicting pain on non-combatants is in human nature. A cynical tactic perhaps, but not natural. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"All terrorism is abhorrent
Your terrorist is my "freedom fighter"
My terrorist may be your "freedom fighter"
.
Terrorism has been in human nature since humans evolved.
Conflict is in human nature.
I don't think that terrorism is.
a nice little read;
Chapter 6 Political Terrorism: A Social Psychological Perspective
N ehemia Friedland
I will try to have a look.
It will take a lot for me to be convinced that inflicting pain on non-combatants is in human nature. A cynical tactic perhaps, but not natural."
This is difficult to get a look at except in print.
What I did find that was interesting was this article in Nature:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0134
This is more about the psychological tendancies of terrorists though.
I cannot really find anything about terrorism being in human nature. Violence yes, but not terrorism.
Can you quote anything from the chapter that you referenced? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"An interesting watch is “Skin” starring Jamie Bell. True story. On one of the streaming platforms "
No answer to my previous questions?
The film does sound interesting.
Black Klansman was pretty good too. On a more entertaining and less relentlessly scary level I expect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting watch is “Skin” starring Jamie Bell. True story. On one of the streaming platforms
No answer to my previous questions?"
I’ve not been around the forums that long, but already understand that he doesn’t have to answer questions, only everybody else does. |
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Just the definition of terrorism is a long debated subject, and it's tough for many of us to overcome our biases and ignorance. It's certainly better to support greater equality and freedom from harm to anyone, than restricted benefits, whilst imposing damage upon those who are different. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"An interesting watch is “Skin” starring Jamie Bell. True story. On one of the streaming platforms
No answer to my previous questions?
I’ve not been around the forums that long, but already understand that he doesn’t have to answer questions, only everybody else does."
You've not been paying attention then 
What questions behave I been asked here?
I answered yours about Corona virus in the other thread.
What are you expecting?  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"An interesting watch is “Skin” starring Jamie Bell. True story. On one of the streaming platforms
No answer to my previous questions?
I’ve not been around the forums that long, but already understand that he doesn’t have to answer questions, only everybody else does."
Oops. I owe you an apology. I misread this  |
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