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After dark Refused Planning permission
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Does it say when they’ve to cease trading ? Is it if immediate effect ? I was planning on heading there on Saturday lol "
The article reads as follows -
“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill. Private company Cornucopia sought permission to convert the unit located at industrial estate at Bankhead Terrace, but planners rejected the bid on the grounds it would pose "unacceptable” risk to public safety.
Officers also said the change of the former Edinburgh University offices to a swingers club would “fail to encourage, promote and facilitate business and industry uses”. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out  "
Hopefully, just be people being ignorant and not letting it go ahead for the sake of not passing it.
Any other club would be allowed. |
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"Does it say when they’ve to cease trading ? Is it if immediate effect ? I was planning on heading there on Saturday lol
The article reads as follows -
“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill. Private company Cornucopia sought permission to convert the unit located at industrial estate at Bankhead Terrace, but planners rejected the bid on the grounds it would pose "unacceptable” risk to public safety.
Officers also said the change of the former Edinburgh University offices to a swingers club would “fail to encourage, promote and facilitate business and industry uses”."
If it was used as a studio for making porn films, would that count as promotion and facilitation of business?
Problem is, this is the same labour council with an agenda - a perverted version of feminism - which is trying to close down the lap dancing bars in the public triangle and forcing dancers into unemployment.
Edinburgh's decades-old tolerance of sex-related businesses in order to provide a safe, regulated space for sex workers, came under attack during the past few years from the Glasgow-dominated and democratically unaccountable Police Scotland - conflicting with the tolerance zone policy of Edinburgh's democratically elected councillors at that time (different councillors composition back then, before that cnut Cammy Day did a deal with the tories to seize power) |
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Not sure the reasons really matter - what it comes down to is they've been operating without the correct permissions while they waited on the outcome of change of use going through and it's now been declined. There's the option to appeal but that would take time. Not 100% on the technicalities but pretty sure it means ceasing to trade and closing the doors unless or until the correct permissions are in place...? (Probably with possibility of enforcement action and forced closure if not). |
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Jumped the gun a bit did they not bit like building a house without planning a tad silly! not just this club night clubs are being hammered also as is pubs etc all to do with the environment crap. will just have to use your gaffs then and lets face it its all in the open now anyway all over social media bragging about it lol.we are swingers rotfl |
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By *eaSlutsCouple
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
Good luck with the appeal!  We've not managed through yet but hoping to get along at some point
C&A x |
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By *oris888Man
over a year ago
Here and there |
"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
Good luck guys!
A lot of hard work gone into the place.
Cracking venue! |
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By *andsCouple
over a year ago
Edin |
"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
Good Luck, really like the new place see you soon x |
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By *enie90Woman
over a year ago
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"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
Good luck! Hope you get it all sorted. Was planning on going as soon as I got back from my holidays. |
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"Does the insurance still cover with the planning permission being under appeal. "
If there was no planning permission then there is unlikely to be a building warrant. This would give the insurance companies a loop hole to void any claims.
I hope that this can be sorted and the club can remain opening.
If they fail in the appeal then the council can enforce that the building be returned to its original state.
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"Wander what happens with the yearly memberships that have been paid if they can’t be used.
That is a very interesting point! "
It's only a small amount of money and I am sure the club could do with all the help with the legal costs they must be incurring, but hey, if you want to penny-pinch...
Only been twice, like the place, if it wasn't 350+ miles away, I'd go more. |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out "
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin |
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Sure the local councillor will be happy and will be arranging their closure meeting with plannkng officials alongwith media boasting as well. In fairness rules are rules it begs the question why retrospective and not up front then taking membership fees for those to end up being wasted as the club is locked! Also more concerning if someone got hurt or a fire took hold how safe is it does it meet building standards and what if indeed any insurance would be valid?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin "
How does it show bias to say I hope they get it sorted? Maybe if other clubs were having issues _iew would say the same?  |
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"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
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Looking forward to being there in all our glory Fri 10th. Hope to see many there. |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin "
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro"
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
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Except View isn't doing that, as Squiggle pointed out to you. Seems to me you're making a mountain out of nothing |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
Except View isn't doing that, as Squiggle pointed out to you. Seems to me you're making a mountain out of nothing
Each to their own just feel that a mid of a site should be impartial that’s all…"
I've just looked at the thread for the new club, and View has also commented good luck to them. So, how is he being biased, again? |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
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What bias? How can saying what they did have any relevance to being biased? Could see the point if there was something added like "best club in the country", so what are you seeing? Does being a mod mean you aren't allowed an opinion? Pretty sure they are there to enforce the forum rules and nothing else. |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
What bias? How can saying what they did have any relevance to being biased? Could see the point if there was something added like "best club in the country", so what are you seeing? Does being a mod mean you aren't allowed an opinion? Pretty sure they are there to enforce the forum rules and nothing else. "
Yea I would say that being a MOD means that you can’t pass an opinion….
Let’s just say you and I had a call out but the mod was my mate…. You get banned BUT I am still allowed to post,
now you know that’s my mate because you have seen him be nice to us on other threads,
would you be upset or would it be a “mountain out of a molehill”
Mods are mods NOT personal profiles!!! They are here to moderate the forum….. that’s how forums work |
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
What bias? How can saying what they did have any relevance to being biased? Could see the point if there was something added like "best club in the country", so what are you seeing? Does being a mod mean you aren't allowed an opinion? Pretty sure they are there to enforce the forum rules and nothing else.
Yea I would say that being a MOD means that you can’t pass an opinion….
Let’s just say you and I had a call out but the mod was my mate…. You get banned BUT I am still allowed to post,
now you know that’s my mate because you have seen him be nice to us on other threads,
would you be upset or would it be a “mountain out of a molehill”
Mods are mods NOT personal profiles!!! They are here to moderate the forum….. that’s how forums work"
So you're not going to answer my question about View wishing luck to both Edinburgh clubs then? Because that torpedoes your argument.
FYI, wishing someone luck isn't having an opinion. And now you're just embarrassing yourself. |
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I really don’t see why Edinburgh council have such a short sighted vision on this kind of thing, at the end of the day, we are all consenting adults meeting in a premises that is for private members. The building is safe, the owners are good people and the location is safe, no one ever gets hurt at these events and there is a hell of a lot less trouble at this kind of place then at a normal bar club or pub!!! Swingers clubs are genuinely the most social place on earth!!!!! And what after dark have done with that building is superb!!!!! It’s a disgrace that one single councillor can pull something like this apart!!!!!
GENUINELY wish all the best to the owners of AFTERDARK xxxxx |
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By *ifemaleMan
over a year ago
dunfermline |
"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
probably need to include a few brown envelopes to help your appeal.
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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The grounds for refusing the license are on public safety. If there’s no permission, building warrant or insurance it surely won’t have a fire certificate either.
People have had to demolish houses because they didn’t have planning permission. How is this any different?
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"Does it say when they’ve to cease trading ? Is it if immediate effect ? I was planning on heading there on Saturday lol
The article reads as follows -
“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill. Private company Cornucopia sought permission to convert the unit located at industrial estate at Bankhead Terrace, but planners rejected the bid on the grounds it would pose "unacceptable” risk to public safety.
Officers also said the change of the former Edinburgh University offices to a swingers club would “fail to encourage, promote and facilitate business and industry uses”.
If it was used as a studio for making porn films, would that count as promotion and facilitation of business?
Problem is, this is the same labour council with an agenda - a perverted version of feminism - which is trying to close down the lap dancing bars in the public triangle and forcing dancers into unemployment.
Edinburgh's decades-old tolerance of sex-related businesses in order to provide a safe, regulated space for sex workers, came under attack during the past few years from the Glasgow-dominated and democratically unaccountable Police Scotland - conflicting with the tolerance zone policy of Edinburgh's democratically elected councillors at that time (different councillors composition back then, before that cnut Cammy Day did a deal with the tories to seize power)"
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin "
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"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx"
Hope you guys appeal is successful it's clearly quite a popular place with tons of supporters on here |
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Surely if the correct permissions and licensing isn't in place then they shouldn't be operating. There would be nothing worse than being busted literally with your pants down , it puts all attendees at risk from public exposure . |
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By *assNGuyCouple
over a year ago
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Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
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OK stayed quiet on other platforms but you definitely have displayed a blatantly obvious agenda, diminishing other venues as you try shovel a particular Edinburgh social down throats.
I know hosts can't use forums here so it's perfectly understandable them have someone promote on forums but in other platforms... I find it sketchy they have their DJ puppet promote and dish alternatives on their behalf when they also are in the group.
Now ain't saying for a second they are dodgy as know their genuine, just find the fact their dj is pushing it rather than them, iffy.
Now on point of moderator _iew... nothing biased from him in his comments and I rarely look at forums but can attest seen him respond to CJ and social threads and he isn't pushing 1 club over others. |
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By *assNGuyCouple
over a year ago
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"Hope they get any issue sorted out
Wow.. just wondering how impartial it is for a fab moderator to support one single club?
Surly you should be impartial and not have personal opinions with regards to this kinda thing… or who’s to say you won’t be more lenient on one club to another… no disrespect to AFTERDARK what so ever… just think it’s a wee bit unprofessional of the FAB admin to be supporting one club rather than them all…. And kinda shows a wee bit of bias
….. just sayin
Stop stirring shit because you have a vested interest in the new club opening soon on the back of the Edinburgh social.
Putting others down to big up your own purposes ain't cool bro
Now… let me answer this…
1 we are NOT putting anyone down
2 we are NOT opening a club
3 we wish NOTHING but the best for the owners of AFTERDARK they are lovely people and we wish them all the very best!!! We really like AFTERDARK and genuinely wish them all the best!!
4 my point was simply saying that I feel it is that we feel it’s very BIAS for a moderator of a site to favour one club over another or to to pass comment on a club, as it shows favour towards a club and I don’t feel it is the duty of an admin to have a personal opinion as they should be 100% impartial
What bias? How can saying what they did have any relevance to being biased? Could see the point if there was something added like "best club in the country", so what are you seeing? Does being a mod mean you aren't allowed an opinion? Pretty sure they are there to enforce the forum rules and nothing else.
Yea I would say that being a MOD means that you can’t pass an opinion….
Let’s just say you and I had a call out but the mod was my mate…. You get banned BUT I am still allowed to post,
now you know that’s my mate because you have seen him be nice to us on other threads,
would you be upset or would it be a “mountain out of a molehill”
Mods are mods NOT personal profiles!!! They are here to moderate the forum….. that’s how forums work"
WTF logic is that... you state they aren't allowed an opinion then use personal connection example to justify it.
If your friends then that's conflict of interest not opinion |
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By *assNGuyCouple
over a year ago
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"Surely if the correct permissions and licensing isn't in place then they shouldn't be operating. There would be nothing worse than being busted literally with your pants down , it puts all attendees at risk from public exposure . "
That was big part of reason we initially delayed our visit but the remained open so we went and checked place out.
On this forum thread it was always going to transpire this way so not surprised in slightest.
Don't hold much hope in your appeal but wishing you all the very best Afterdark and hopefully am wrong. |
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"Surely if the correct permissions and licensing isn't in place then they shouldn't be operating. There would be nothing worse than being busted literally with your pants down , it puts all attendees at risk from public exposure .
That was big part of reason we initially delayed our visit but the remained open so we went and checked place out.
On this forum thread it was always going to transpire this way so not surprised in slightest.
Don't hold much hope in your appeal but wishing you all the very best Afterdark and hopefully am wrong."
Once the papers get a hold of the story seems like curtains , they'll always push the narrative and demonise the swinging community , seen it all too often and this unfortunately leaves folk at risk from scrutiny and with the added risk of being outted , it only takes a journo to make up a profile on here and to know exactly what's happening and when that's if the police don't raid it first because let's be honest first and foremost it's operating illegally .. hope I'm wrong and it goes without a hitch just I know if it was me I wouldnae take that risk x |
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Unfortunately there a great number of people out there who think they know better and how we should live or lives from what we eat to what we do and enjoy were all consenting adult it's all above board and legal and safe.
We use to joke about the fun police it's no joke now its here now. |
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
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The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place . |
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By *reedyKWoman
over a year ago
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place . "
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place .
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
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Agree
Let the experts sort it out, and continue supporting the club in the meantime. Use it or lose it as they say. |
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place .
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
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“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill."
Says was refused permission to open .. I do hope it gets sorted but seems very risky to me . |
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By *reedyKWoman
over a year ago
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place .
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
Agree
Let the experts sort it out, and continue supporting the club in the meantime. Use it or lose it as they say."
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"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx
Good Luck, really like the new place see you soon x"
Wouldn't hold your breath! they are closing saunas from what I have heard and the triangle will no longer have strippers not to mention the night clubs and pubs getting closed Afraid this is where it is all going. But to be fair they should have had everything in place before the opening night. Like has already been pointed out people have had to demolish houses due to same thing why should this be any different. Good luck... |
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If you look on the council website, it says enforcement action has not been decided.
We've only been a couple of times, but as has been said, use it or lose it. If there is a case for it to stay open, it would help it if they can prove that there is a need for it and that it is being used. They could also use the income I'm sure. |
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By *reedyKWoman
over a year ago
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place .
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill."
Says was refused permission to open .. I do hope it gets sorted but seems very risky to me . "
Newspapers at there best. The kink nights are totally different events and run by other people.
Personally I will Continue to go and support the club. I hope others do as well. |
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"If Afterdark was operating illegally then it would of been shut down with immediate affect. It certainly wouldn't of been allowed to open and operate as normal last night.
The article says permission was refused to operate a swinging venue , so therefore it must be operating illegally as it won't have the proper permits and licensing in place .
It says Planning permission was refused. That could range from very basic changes needed to meet planning standards, right up to more serious issues and possible closure.
Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
“A kink night claiming to be one of biggest in Scotland has been refused permission to open an ‘adults-only’ swingers club at its members-only venue in Sighthill."
Says was refused permission to open .. I do hope it gets sorted but seems very risky to me .
Newspapers at there best. The kink nights are totally different events and run by other people.
Personally I will Continue to go and support the club. I hope others do as well. "
I was hoping to go soon, hopefully they can get the decision overturned |
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"Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
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The application is publicly available for anyone to _iew so nobody has to surmise anything. Even ignoring the safety argument and any internal refurbishment, the planning permission refused included the Change of Use. They may not have to undo the physical changes that have been made until the appeals process is complete, but that's not the same as staying open without the correct permissions (not least since, as has been noted, businesses aren't supposed to start trading without having that in place first).
The permissions are for the building / company Cornucopia rather than After Dark or 7th Circle which run out of it so same applies to all. |
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By *reedyKWoman
over a year ago
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"Everyone is only surmising what is going on.
The application is publicly available for anyone to _iew so nobody has to surmise anything. Even ignoring the safety argument and any internal refurbishment, the planning permission refused included the Change of Use. They may not have to undo the physical changes that have been made until the appeals process is complete, but that's not the same as staying open without the correct permissions (not least since, as has been noted, businesses aren't supposed to start trading without having that in place first).
The permissions are for the building / company Cornucopia rather than After Dark or 7th Circle which run out of it so same applies to all."
I did indeed read these documents but have no knowledge of the 'NPF 4 Policy 26' they state as a reason for refusal. So I for one can only surmise on that.
I doubt many will have read the official documents before commenting. |
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"Hi guy's. We will be open as usual until told otherwise. We will be appealing the decision. so hope to see everyone there as usual. xx
Good Luck, really like the new place see you soon xWouldn't hold your breath! they are closing saunas from what I have heard and the triangle will no longer have strippers not to mention the night clubs and pubs getting closed Afraid this is where it is all going. But to be fair they should have had everything in place before the opening night. Like has already been pointed out people have had to demolish houses due to same thing why should this be any different. Good luck... "
The saunas can’t get closed because of a legal document that was signed and passed back on 1986
Don’t blindly post misinformation research is the key to any good argument as the prosecution and defence would tell you |
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"I assume putting in an appeal allows them to continue operating under application "
Not necessarily the police and council licensing officials can turn up at any business at any time and serve a closure notice with immediate effect. |
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Sad news, hopefully it gets sorted. Possibly equally sad that individuals are getting knickers in a twist over trivia on this thread, when a lot of people's enjoyment is being threatened by the Council, which should be everyone's principal concern. |
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"I assume putting in an appeal allows them to continue operating under application
Not necessarily the police and council licensing officials can turn up at any business at any time and serve a closure notice with immediate effect. "
Hopefully, not on a lingerie only night after 11pm if they do go down that route. |
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A slightly different question. Under Scotland's proposed new laws on trans rights, could a man who indentifies as a woman demand to be charged the single female entry fee at a club - and be backed up in that by Scottish law? |
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"A slightly different question. Under Scotland's proposed new laws on trans rights, could a man who indentifies as a woman demand to be charged the single female entry fee at a club - and be backed up in that by Scottish law?"
There didn’t need to be a change for that to be the case, it’s possible under the Equalities Act as is. See the guy who sued Brewdog over being refused Pink Beer for Girls in one of their pubs.
Anyway. Off topic |
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So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people. |
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"So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people."
But it clearly does not have all the right planning etc. |
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"So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people."
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"So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people."
You can meet like minded people wherever you choose to have a night out. Not sure what Nicola has to do with it.  |
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"So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people."
No disrespect but, if you don't have even a basic understanding of how law and regulation works, it's probably best not to comment. |
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"So under Nicola Sturgeon's new laws and people's rights to identify as to what they want, we identify as White British Swingers..... does this mean that Edinburgh Council are being discriminatory in not allowing a place, with all the correct planning applications, insurances and licences, where we can meet like minded people.
No disrespect but, if you don't have even a basic understanding of how law and regulation works, it's probably best not to comment."
You mean like several comments on this forum people that think they know the process but really don't |
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Seen this happen too many timed.... Hopefully it'll get sorted, or at least delayed... Can literally take years for any action to be done... It's all about how it's worded for the council. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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"Is it worthwhile raising an online or written petition to appeal the decision on the social and safe side of swinging in a club"
Safe? No permission to open, no building warrant, probably no public liability insurance and no fire certificate? Entirely up to the individual if they want to attend such a venue. Please correct me if I’m wrong but most places have to close immediately. Why should this club be any different?
I’m all for new clubs but I also value my safety. |
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"Is it worthwhile raising an online or written petition to appeal the decision on the social and safe side of swinging in a club
Safe? No permission to open, no building warrant, probably no public liability insurance and no fire certificate? Entirely up to the individual if they want to attend such a venue. Please correct me if I’m wrong but most places have to close immediately. Why should this club be any different?
I’m all for new clubs but I also value my safety. "
Was there Friday night never felt safer maybe you should just stick with cjs think you have made your point on here now it's getting boring |
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By *reedyKWoman
over a year ago
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"Is it worthwhile raising an online or written petition to appeal the decision on the social and safe side of swinging in a club
Safe? No permission to open, no building warrant, probably no public liability insurance and no fire certificate? Entirely up to the individual if they want to attend such a venue. Please correct me if I’m wrong but most places have to close immediately. Why should this club be any different?
I’m all for new clubs but I also value my safety. "
Who said they didn't have any of those things?? That's a big statement to make unless you know this to be fact! |
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I've been watching this tread develop, and there's a few presumptions and inaccuracies. I don't want to speak for Paul and Ange, however : To answer Ms Falcon, who seems to peer at many posts with her typical judgmental attitude.
Here's some facts.
1. The building has been signed off, the planning permissions issue is regarding "change of use", not the premises.
2. ALL insurances are in place. All certificates are in place... Where did you hear this utter shite??
3. The club is perfectly entitled to stay open while the appeals procedure is underway. This could take, months, years, depending...
4. NO-ONE will "raid" the club, this is the most stupid thing I've heard... Even if that was to happen, it'll be a civil servant with a clipboard, not the police...
5. Miss Falcon, how on earth is your "safety" at risk as you allude?
Aside from being a club, this is also someones livelihood & investment, and anyone presuming things and posting on this forum is in effect defaming the business.
Surely we should all celebrate the fact there IS a second club in Scotland and get behind and support them, rather than this sweetie wife bullshit.
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"I've been watching this tread develop, and there's a few presumptions and inaccuracies. I don't want to speak for Paul and Ange, however : To answer Ms Falcon, who seems to peer at many posts with her typical judgmental attitude.
Here's some facts.
1. The building has been signed off, the planning permissions issue is regarding "change of use", not the premises.
2. ALL insurances are in place. All certificates are in place... Where did you hear this utter shite??
3. The club is perfectly entitled to stay open while the appeals procedure is underway. This could take, months, years, depending...
4. NO-ONE will "raid" the club, this is the most stupid thing I've heard... Even if that was to happen, it'll be a civil servant with a clipboard, not the police...
5. Miss Falcon, how on earth is your "safety" at risk as you allude?
Aside from being a club, this is also someones livelihood & investment, and anyone presuming things and posting on this forum is in effect defaming the business.
Surely we should all celebrate the fact there IS a second club in Scotland and get behind and support them, rather than this sweetie wife bullshit.
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over a year ago
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"I've been watching this tread develop, and there's a few presumptions and inaccuracies.....
...4. NO-ONE will "raid" the club, this is the most stupid thing I've heard... Even if that was to happen, it'll be a civil servant with a clipboard, not the police... "
The police raided every licensed "adult" venue in Edinburgh in 2013 as part of Operation Windermere. This included licenced brothels, saunas and adult clubs.
The police raided licensed strip clubs across scotland in 2014 and 2018 looking for what they called "dirty stripping".
The police raided the shoebox "private party" venue in 2018.
In all cases people were marched out in the street in handcuffs, some had their pictures published in the papers, but then no charges were brought or charges were brought and subsequently dropped.
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"I've been watching this tread develop, and there's a few presumptions and inaccuracies.....
...4. NO-ONE will "raid" the club, this is the most stupid thing I've heard... Even if that was to happen, it'll be a civil servant with a clipboard, not the police...
The police raided every licensed "adult" venue in Edinburgh in 2013 as part of Operation Windermere. This included licenced brothels, saunas and adult clubs.
The police raided licensed strip clubs across scotland in 2014 and 2018 looking for what they called "dirty stripping".
The police raided the shoebox "private party" venue in 2018.
In all cases people were marched out in the street in handcuffs, some had their pictures published in the papers, but then no charges were brought or charges were brought and subsequently dropped.
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Operation Windermere was in relation to Saunas operating as brothels. - Illegal activity.
The strip club raids were in relation to illegal immigration - again, illegal activity.
The shoebox raid, was as result of concern from neighbours in a residential area of illegal activity. No charges were brought as nothing "illegal" was taking place....
Completely different kettle of fish... nothing related to planning permission as per "change of use".
And even in the (completely absurd scenario) where the police, on a busy weekend, on the outskirts of Edinburgh, in a deserted industrial estate decided to visit, they have absolutely no power to stop you or anyone else simply leaving, they certainly don't have the power of arrest where there's no criminal activity..
Posting shit like this is not only fear mongering and pointless, but again, you're just deliberately trying to damage a long standing business with utter nonsense.
If it's not for you, if you're have irrational fears, don't attend, simple as that...
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"... Operation Windermere was in relation to Saunas operating as brothels. - Illegal activity."
Thats not true at all. Operation windermere particularly focussed on Gay saunas where no money changed hands (apart from the door fee) and where users of the venue were pictured on the front page of the edinburgh Evening News being arrested
I dont see the difference between these and an adult club
"The strip club raids were in relation to illegal immigration - again, illegal activity. The shoebox raid, was as result of concern from neighbours in a residential area of illegal activity. No charges were brought as nothing "illegal" was taking place....Completely different kettle of fish... nothing related to planning permission as per "change of use"."
You've said the idea that the police would raid a venue was fiction.
I've given you four recent examples where it wasnt fiction and where Police Scotland have raided premises where consenting adults have potentially met for sex and arrested people found in the venue, often parading them in the street. All were examples where no-one was ultimately charged and 3 of these were examples where edinburgh council had granted licences in the full knowledge of what was happening on those premises.
The real problem here is that after dark doesnt have an appropriate licence, but thats not communicated to customers on their website. I'd known the club had "reopened" for months, but until I read this thread I didn't realise it was unlicensed.
The focus on "change of use" is a misnomer. i couldn't reasonably assume i could buy a kebab shop and turn it into a licensed premises, which would be a "change of use". Its not impossible - Some places have done this, such as Picante in broughton street who have a DJ and serve drinks while they make pizza. but its not a fair assumption that if i buy any old carry out that they'd let me change the use to licensed premises.
If you've read todays judgement around strip clubs in Edinburgh you'll see that, despite overturning the ban, that Lord Richardson said that Edinburgh Council could still refuse each and every renewal of a strip club licence and purse what they call their "nil-cap policy".
From yesterdays evening news - "Lord Richardson said the council would just look at the number of sexual entertainment venues in the area and then at the number it deemed appropriate, currently zero. "In the event that the first number is equal to or greater than the second number, then the ground will apply and, as a consequence, the local authority must refuse the application,"
The wider issue here is that Police Scotland not only seem to enjoy antagonising edinburgh city council, but they seem to see it as their moral obligation to challenge the liberal standpoint that edinburgh council take.
I've seen gay men i know's faces on the front of the Evening News for attending a raided sauna. I used to work at the same bank as "CJ" of "CJ's townhouse" and ive seen the "former banker" type articles posted about her in the Daily Record. My point is simply that "clients" of after dark need to be aware the premises aren't licensed before they attend, and that Police Scotland have a history of antagonising Edinburgh city council by raiding licensed premises and arresting people they have no intention of charging. |
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"... Operation Windermere was in relation to Saunas operating as brothels. - Illegal activity.
Thats not true at all. Operation windermere particularly focussed on Gay saunas where no money changed hands (apart from the door fee) and where users of the venue were pictured on the front page of the edinburgh Evening News being arrested
I dont see the difference between these and an adult club
The strip club raids were in relation to illegal immigration - again, illegal activity. The shoebox raid, was as result of concern from neighbours in a residential area of illegal activity. No charges were brought as nothing "illegal" was taking place....Completely different kettle of fish... nothing related to planning permission as per "change of use".
You've said the idea that the police would raid a venue was fiction.
I've given you four recent examples where it wasnt fiction and where Police Scotland have raided premises where consenting adults have potentially met for sex and arrested people found in the venue, often parading them in the street. All were examples where no-one was ultimately charged and 3 of these were examples where edinburgh council had granted licences in the full knowledge of what was happening on those premises.
The real problem here is that after dark doesnt have an appropriate licence, but thats not communicated to customers on their website. I'd known the club had "reopened" for months, but until I read this thread I didn't realise it was unlicensed.
The focus on "change of use" is a misnomer. i couldn't reasonably assume i could buy a kebab shop and turn it into a licensed premises, which would be a "change of use". Its not impossible - Some places have done this, such as Picante in broughton street who have a DJ and serve drinks while they make pizza. but its not a fair assumption that if i buy any old carry out that they'd let me change the use to licensed premises.
If you've read todays judgement around strip clubs in Edinburgh you'll see that, despite overturning the ban, that Lord Richardson said that Edinburgh Council could still refuse each and every renewal of a strip club licence and purse what they call their "nil-cap policy".
From yesterdays evening news - "Lord Richardson said the council would just look at the number of sexual entertainment venues in the area and then at the number it deemed appropriate, currently zero. "In the event that the first number is equal to or greater than the second number, then the ground will apply and, as a consequence, the local authority must refuse the application,"
The wider issue here is that Police Scotland not only seem to enjoy antagonising edinburgh city council, but they seem to see it as their moral obligation to challenge the liberal standpoint that edinburgh council take.
I've seen gay men i know's faces on the front of the Evening News for attending a raided sauna. I used to work at the same bank as "CJ" of "CJ's townhouse" and ive seen the "former banker" type articles posted about her in the Daily Record. My point is simply that "clients" of after dark need to be aware the premises aren't licensed before they attend, and that Police Scotland have a history of antagonising Edinburgh city council by raiding licensed premises and arresting people they have no intention of charging. "
did you even bother to look at the other forum posted bye the owners before trying to scare monger as it clearly states their legal right to stay open during the appeal process guess not |
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