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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " If enough single men go it will continue, if they don't it will stop. Unless whoever is running the event is trying to keep the number of single men at the event down? | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " Surely the choice is down to the individual? If you think it's a rip off.simples Don't go? As someone else says.it rather depends on the venue and what's layed on? As a potential party thrower( in the light of the current restrictions and no doubt the slowness of the club scene taking off immediately. Perhaps this is the future? Stay safe everyone! | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " As with most businesses it's only an offer with no obligation to take them up on it. Fair play to them IF they can fulfil the quota of males they want at that price | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? As with most businesses it's only an offer with no obligation to take them up on it. Fair play to them IF they can fulfil the quota of males they want at that price" It's not a business though, it's a private party, unless I'm misunderstanding. Nobody should be making a financial profit by charging people for anything on here. | |||
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"I would consider any charge a rip-off! " as a couple we have paid to attend parties, not 100 tho but we normaly are greated with a glass of fizz, then you have to take into account the clean up after, we think its fair to charge, but 100 for a single guy is far to much, if you dont want single guys then dont invite them | |||
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"I would consider any charge a rip-off! " So you expect some to own or hire a venue, get the appropriate licensing (assuming they both). Provide drinks, snacks, music and anything else without you having to contribute anything! Can't see any business doing that. If it's someone just organising a small party for friends is one thing but not many would do that on a regular basis. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " I would pay that to watch you fucking the white ladies. | |||
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"If I host a party in my home, I just ask guests to bring a bottle. " That's all we ask, but sometimes we have friends round for a party and everyone brings different food; so that there's lots to eat and the guests do the same when they have a party, a great arrangement. Earlier this year we were going to a party where the hosts have been to ours under the arrangement just mentioned, they asked for £10 to cover food. Needless to say we didn't go. | |||
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"I would consider any charge a rip-off! So you expect some to own or hire a venue, get the appropriate licensing (assuming they both). Provide drinks, snacks, music and anything else without you having to contribute anything! Can't see any business doing that. If it's someone just organising a small party for friends is one thing but not many would do that on a regular basis." Exactly. Hosting a party for real, genuine friends is totally different. In that case bringing a bottle or food contribution would be considered acceptable. But for random strangers on a swinger's site a party event is about the experience, and that would include venue, drinks, music etc as well as cleaning up afterwards. All comes with a cost. What is the going rate for an Escort? Would you expect that to be free? How about a meal in an expensive restaurant? Should that be free? If you don't put a value on the experience then don't pay but certainly don't expect it all for free. | |||
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"Isn't it like anything? If I'm paying £100 to enter a swinging club/party. I'm expecting it to on a higher end of a party. At the end of the day you want to know what thy money is being spent on, location, entertainment, theme/decoration, food/drink etc etc. If a club raised it prices from £30 to £80 for a single male and there was no difference in the experience before or after, I probably wouldn't go back. Everywhere I've been so far seems to have a fair and understandable pricing and I've never had any complaints. " | |||
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"Total rip off we used to go to a partie held by a cpl on a regular basis I found out they were charging single guys £80 we stopped going due to that thought it was unfair " But single guys did go? Did they think it was unfair? If so they could have stayed away. | |||
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"So long as there is nothing dodgy going on, it’s a free market. I’m not judging it at all, and I rarely organise anything, but if you think you’re being ripped off then maybe organise your own party and charge guys £50?" I would suggest its not a free market. If a male was so inclined they would take the organisers to court on sexual discrimination grounds. I doubt anyone would as it would mean displaying their personal life for the world to see which is why the clubs get away with it. | |||
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"We host regular parties and don't charge, we ask people to bring their own drink, we provide a buffet and soft drinks, generally we spend the same amount as we would going to a club so why would we charge, we're not out of pocket, maybe we should charge everyone a £1 to cover the cost of washing all the sheets the next day " I couldn't agree more with you. I went to a private party before lockdown and was just asked to bring some drink and nibbles... However, I don't mind contributing a monetary cost providing it is reasonable... | |||
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"If I host a party in my home, I just ask guests to bring a bottle. That's all we ask, but sometimes we have friends round for a party and everyone brings different food; so that there's lots to eat and the guests do the same when they have a party, a great arrangement. Earlier this year we were going to a party where the hosts have been to ours under the arrangement just mentioned, they asked for £10 to cover food. Needless to say we didn't go." The last one was a social bbq everyone brought something to go on it, thinking of doing a larger scale beach one after lockdown. | |||
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"We host regular parties and don't charge, we ask people to bring their own drink, we provide a buffet and soft drinks, generally we spend the same amount as we would going to a club so why would we charge, we're not out of pocket, maybe we should charge everyone a £1 to cover the cost of washing all the sheets the next day " They sound like a good party ... | |||
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"If I host a party in my home, I just ask guests to bring a bottle. That's all we ask, but sometimes we have friends round for a party and everyone brings different food; so that there's lots to eat and the guests do the same when they have a party, a great arrangement. Earlier this year we were going to a party where the hosts have been to ours under the arrangement just mentioned, they asked for £10 to cover food. Needless to say we didn't go. The last one was a social bbq everyone brought something to go on it, thinking of doing a larger scale beach one after lockdown. " This is the sort of thing fab should be about...fantastic idea... | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not" Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation." Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please. | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please." Its against the law to charge people differently on the basis of gender..which is basically the point the OP was asking about .. | |||
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"That's prostitution I think " What is? Please use reply+quote. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. " Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party." Because people have paid. | |||
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"Considering the amount of posts on here criticising single males in clubs, the higher price might be to deter certain types of single males. There is always a post mentioning that a single had to bd put in his place, ruining things for others, making women and some couples angry at their behaviour. " It will deter normal decent middle of the road guys, leaving desperate weirdos that have to pay thro the nose for access to such events. There are a lot of mad rude male profiles on fab...that's for sure. In the real world, certainly at socials almost without exception the guys are in general pleasant sociable and charming. As a single guy , in clubs etc we have to be more sociable and engaging..its a balance..approaching people, chatting etc ..with out being pushy etc. There are a few idiots but there are also a fair few socially inept couples and single ladies as well. The problem is there are simply so many guys, you will inevitably get more nutters.. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " Best thing anyone can do is talk with their feet. As a couple we would not pay £100 to attend a party. Why on earth would a single guy do it? If no one paid that crazy price, then the organisers would get the message. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? Best thing anyone can do is talk with their feet. As a couple we would not pay £100 to attend a party. Why on earth would a single guy do it? If no one paid that crazy price, then the organisers would get the message. " Rich desperate weirdos that will have high expectations of getting something for their money I assume are the main guys on the guest list .. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next....... | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. " They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next......." Yep. I knew a guy who begrudged paying £25 to get into a club once a month, yet was happy to blow more than that watching 22 guys kick a football around for 90 minutes twice a week. Nobody is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Personally I wouldn't pay £100+ to go to a gig regardless of who it was playing when I can listen to them for a fraction of that as often as I like. A | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this." See the previous post ...these are not parties in any conventional sense they are money making ventures.. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. " With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. " I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next....... Yep. I knew a guy who begrudged paying £25 to get into a club once a month, yet was happy to blow more than that watching 22 guys kick a football around for 90 minutes twice a week. Nobody is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Personally I wouldn't pay £100+ to go to a gig regardless of who it was playing when I can listen to them for a fraction of that as often as I like. A" exactly... if someone wants to pay it, then thats on them and on one else... we all have our "principles"... would i pay £100... god no! would i criticise someone else who paid £100... god no! if there is a demand to match the supply... god bless them!!!! this thread basically is a subtle way of running over people in a big bus..... don't like it... don't attend.... if you think you can organised and price it at a different point... knock your socks off!!!! | |||
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"When Hollie worked at old R3tro Club in Walsall guys paid to enter and club employed 2 girls to entertain with a gang bang scenario. The girls could refuse guys if dirty or disrespectful. The club would always back up the girls" Club or brothel?? Sounds like theres a very fine line there | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please. Its against the law to charge people differently on the basis of gender..which is basically the point the OP was asking about .." Ah this old chestnut. Bit of a moot point seeing as private members clubs can offer reductions for under represented minorities, females and couples. Private parties it is a private arrangement, no one is forcing people to go. Anyone prepared to challenge it in court???? Still no I see. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next....... Yep. I knew a guy who begrudged paying £25 to get into a club once a month, yet was happy to blow more than that watching 22 guys kick a football around for 90 minutes twice a week. Nobody is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Personally I wouldn't pay £100+ to go to a gig regardless of who it was playing when I can listen to them for a fraction of that as often as I like. A exactly... if someone wants to pay it, then thats on them and on one else... we all have our "principles"... would i pay £100... god no! would i criticise someone else who paid £100... god no! if there is a demand to match the supply... god bless them!!!! this thread basically is a subtle way of running over people in a big bus..... don't like it... don't attend.... if you think you can organised and price it at a different point... knock your socks off!!!! " | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next....... Yep. I knew a guy who begrudged paying £25 to get into a club once a month, yet was happy to blow more than that watching 22 guys kick a football around for 90 minutes twice a week. Nobody is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Personally I wouldn't pay £100+ to go to a gig regardless of who it was playing when I can listen to them for a fraction of that as often as I like. A exactly... if someone wants to pay it, then thats on them and on one else... we all have our "principles"... would i pay £100... god no! would i criticise someone else who paid £100... god no! if there is a demand to match the supply... god bless them!!!! this thread basically is a subtle way of running over people in a big bus..... don't like it... don't attend.... if you think you can organised and price it at a different point... knock your socks off!!!! " I think its helpful that people know what some of these "parties" are ...and I do organise things, at great effort, that are free ..and great fun ... | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? simple... dont pay!!! I know this is radical... but no one is a holding a gun to your head making you pay! next....... Yep. I knew a guy who begrudged paying £25 to get into a club once a month, yet was happy to blow more than that watching 22 guys kick a football around for 90 minutes twice a week. Nobody is forcing anyone to go anywhere. Personally I wouldn't pay £100+ to go to a gig regardless of who it was playing when I can listen to them for a fraction of that as often as I like. A exactly... if someone wants to pay it, then thats on them and on one else... we all have our "principles"... would i pay £100... god no! would i criticise someone else who paid £100... god no! if there is a demand to match the supply... god bless them!!!! this thread basically is a subtle way of running over people in a big bus..... don't like it... don't attend.... if you think you can organised and price it at a different point... knock your socks off!!!! I think its helpful that people know what some of these "parties" are ...and I do organise things, at great effort, that are free ..and great fun ..." For legal reasons they can't really say "this is party where the women are all paid" as they could possibly be said to be running a brothel and/or living on immoral earnings. As I say, it's pretty easy to work out which parties are parties of this nature. If guys are charged a huge amount and women and couples little or nothing, there's going to be paid women there. | |||
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"Baffled with some crass argument that's OK to charge ridiculous amount of money in order to trim the influx of single male.if you don't want single male in your party make it clear on your invite info. Conventional clubs in london don't charge such amount of money. Why swing parties or clubs. Because there are desperate single men willing to pay fees for such elite gathering? No one ve answer why they care such amount. Why? Is it because of the class of people or free drink or what." Were you ever in london in the 90's? Because plenty of nightclubs used to offer free entry to women, free drinks and plenty of incentives to encourage them to attend. Some still do. It's not illegal. Price variances aren't either. Would you prefer equal rights of access at the same price and then end up in a cock fest with a minority of single women and couples? And before you come back k with the old 'just limit the number of single males'arguement - who decides who those single males are? First come first served? A random draw? Application forms? Because none of those will benefit you if you don't make the cut. A | |||
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"Baffled with some crass argument that's OK to charge ridiculous amount of money in order to trim the influx of single male.if you don't want single male in your party make it clear on your invite info. Conventional clubs in london don't charge such amount of money. Why swing parties or clubs. Because there are desperate single men willing to pay fees for such elite gathering? No one ve answer why they care such amount. Why? Is it because of the class of people or free drink or what." Three points (1) it's perfectly reasonable to ration by price. The higher price you charge, the less takers you will have, but that's probably not what's going on here (2) this is almost certainly a party with paid women. The deal is that you pay a high fee but are pretty much guaranteed sex with a number of women (3) they charge what people are willing to pay. Some guys would think £100 for sex with, say, three women is a good deal. | |||
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"Baffled with some crass argument that's OK to charge ridiculous amount of money in order to trim the influx of single male.if you don't want single male in your party make it clear on your invite info. Conventional clubs in london don't charge such amount of money. Why swing parties or clubs. Because there are desperate single men willing to pay fees for such elite gathering? No one ve answer why they care such amount. Why? Is it because of the class of people or free drink or what." why you may not be prepared to pay others may...... it will only stop charging that amounts if people aren't prepared to pay that amount.... we are all individuals... your price point may not be the same as someone elses price points!!! or here is a radical suggestion.... you organise a party, you get to choose the price point, and then people can complain at what you want to charge! | |||
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"Considering the amount of posts on here criticising single males in clubs, the higher price might be to deter certain types of single males. There is always a post mentioning that a single had to bd put in his place, ruining things for others, making women and some couples angry at their behaviour. " So its only the less well off people that can behave like arseholes? | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this." It's unlikely 'genuine' guys will pay that much to attend a party. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this. See the previous post ...these are not parties in any conventional sense they are money making ventures.." After the cost of venue, refreshments, girls etc all other money is pure profit. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this. It's unlikely 'genuine' guys will pay that much to attend a party. " Indeed.. Most guys willing to pay £100 will expect that the deal is guaranteed sex for that price, as it usually is. | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please. Its against the law to charge people differently on the basis of gender..which is basically the point the OP was asking about .. Ah this old chestnut. Bit of a moot point seeing as private members clubs can offer reductions for under represented minorities, females and couples. Private parties it is a private arrangement, no one is forcing people to go. Anyone prepared to challenge it in court???? Still no I see." Would you like to point out where in the equalities act it states reductions reductions can be made for under represented groups.? As for it being challenged in court its unlikely but if it were to be i would highly expect any club to lose the case. Personally i dont go to clubs can cannot see that changing in the future either. Its just one of those widely accepted bending of the rules like people watching films/tv on kodi. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. Why are they "expected" to have sex? They are guests at a party. Because people have paid. They have paid to attend a party nothing more, the genuine guys know this. It's unlikely 'genuine' guys will pay that much to attend a party. Indeed.. Most guys willing to pay £100 will expect that the deal is guaranteed sex for that price, as it usually is. " | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please. Its against the law to charge people differently on the basis of gender..which is basically the point the OP was asking about .. Ah this old chestnut. Bit of a moot point seeing as private members clubs can offer reductions for under represented minorities, females and couples. Private parties it is a private arrangement, no one is forcing people to go. Anyone prepared to challenge it in court???? Still no I see. Would you like to point out where in the equalities act it states reductions reductions can be made for under represented groups.? As for it being challenged in court its unlikely but if it were to be i would highly expect any club to lose the case. Personally i dont go to clubs can cannot see that changing in the future either. Its just one of those widely accepted bending of the rules like people watching films/tv on kodi." Feom the Equalities & Human Rights Commission website. "However, it may be possible for an association to target people with a particular protected characteristic through positive action if it can show that they have a different need or a track record of disadvantage or low participation in its activities. This could include, for example, offering reduced rate membership if this would be a proportionate step to take. An association which is thinking about taking positive action needs to go through a number of steps to decide whether it is needed and what sort of action to take." It would be easy for any club to argue that their charging structure is solely designed to encourage participation by single women who have a track record of lower participation in events and that an equal pricing structure for both genders would result in a disproportionate attendance by men, resulting in a further reduction in female numbers. Ask any club owner and they'll be using exactly that basis. A | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. Explain that in plain English and in relation to the OP please. Its against the law to charge people differently on the basis of gender..which is basically the point the OP was asking about .. Ah this old chestnut. Bit of a moot point seeing as private members clubs can offer reductions for under represented minorities, females and couples. Private parties it is a private arrangement, no one is forcing people to go. Anyone prepared to challenge it in court???? Still no I see. Would you like to point out where in the equalities act it states reductions reductions can be made for under represented groups.? As for it being challenged in court its unlikely but if it were to be i would highly expect any club to lose the case. Personally i dont go to clubs can cannot see that changing in the future either. Its just one of those widely accepted bending of the rules like people watching films/tv on kodi." You think Clubs that go to the trouble of having all the correct licences for their venue wouldn't be working within all laws and regulations? | |||
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"Would be interesting to see it challenged. The positive action direction would be a bit of a stretch as woman are no less social or take part in sex any less than men. The fact both may take place in the same venue i doubt would be a valid case creating a minority participation." I doubt anyone will ever challenge it. But let's say they do and 'win'. Clubs that have charged single males say £30 entry fee and reduced rate for females would now have to charge £30 for females(it was the same with car insurance) What do you think that will do to the number of fems who go? yep it would reduce, the males stop going, so the club goes out of business. So if anyone wants to challenge feel free. You will certainly be infamous. | |||
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"Would be interesting to see it challenged. The positive action direction would be a bit of a stretch as woman are no less social or take part in sex any less than men. The fact both may take place in the same venue i doubt would be a valid case creating a minority participation." A lawyer speaks... It's correct that having a pricing structure differential for men and women can be lawful but only if it is a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". I'd have some doubts as to whether "getting more women to attend sex clubs" would be seen as a legitimare aim, as a "legitimate aim" is generally something seen to have social value, which I doubt encouraging women to have casual sex would be seen as. My view is that if someone challenged it, they would win. No one does challenge it as it works for everyone : women get in cheap and men get a supply of women and everyone realises that if prices were equal, the supply of women would drop. Bear in mind its not a criminal offence to charge differential prices. Its only potentially a civil wrong. Hence someone would need to bring a civil legal | |||
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"Would be interesting to see it challenged. The positive action direction would be a bit of a stretch as woman are no less social or take part in sex any less than men. The fact both may take place in the same venue i doubt would be a valid case creating a minority participation." A lawyer speaks... It's correct that having a pricing structure differential for men and women can be lawful but only if it is a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". I'd have some doubts as to whether "getting more women to attend sex clubs" would be seen as a legitimare aim, as a "legitimate aim" is generally something seen to have social value, which I doubt encouraging women to have casual sex would be seen as. My view is that if someone challenged it, they would win. No one does challenge it as it works for everyone : women get in cheap and men get a supply of women and everyone realises that if prices were equal, the supply of women would drop. Bear in mind its not a criminal offence to charge differential prices. Its only potentially a civil wrong. Hence someone would need to bring a civil legal action to stop it. | |||
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"When Hollie worked at old R3tro Club in Walsall guys paid to enter and club employed 2 girls to entertain with a gang bang scenario. The girls could refuse guys if dirty or disrespectful. The club would always back up the girls Club or brothel?? Sounds like theres a very fine line there " R3tro was a club. The girls did as they wanted the club paid them. Private Club similar. There a need for all types. | |||
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"When Hollie worked at old R3tro Club in Walsall guys paid to enter and club employed 2 girls to entertain with a gang bang scenario. The girls could refuse guys if dirty or disrespectful. The club would always back up the girls Club or brothel?? Sounds like theres a very fine line there R3tro was a club. The girls did as they wanted the club paid them. Private Club similar. There a need for all types. " Not really a Swinger's Club then if they are paying the girls to be there and have sex? Big difference between letting women in for free to have sex if and when they want to and actually paying them to be there and have sex with the men. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " At that price you pretty much need to garuntee an amount of fun. Who'd pay £100 to strike out? | |||
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"Ive been to a club only once. This club charged the same price per person. ( so couples paid for each person). I distinctly remember seeing men women and couples in the club. Nor were the fees extortionate or the drinks (tea/pop). They used to say if women went to sea there would be havoc on navy ships which has proven to be false. Im guessing women dont just go to clubs because they get in for free. If they do are they the ones that get all grabby in the tubs that ive seen people complaining about?" Why don't you challenge it. I think you'd win | |||
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"It's not a business though, it's a private party, unless I'm misunderstanding. Nobody should be making a financial profit by charging people for anything on here. " If they are charging, it’s a business. Nothing wrong with being a business, but the taxman will want a slice! | |||
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"Would be interesting to see it challenged. The positive action direction would be a bit of a stretch as woman are no less social or take part in sex any less than men. The fact both may take place in the same venue i doubt would be a valid case creating a minority participation. I doubt anyone will ever challenge it. But let's say they do and 'win'. Clubs that have charged single males say £30 entry fee and reduced rate for females would now have to charge £30 for females(it was the same with car insurance) What do you think that will do to the number of fems who go? yep it would reduce, the males stop going, so the club goes out of business. So if anyone wants to challenge feel free. You will certainly be infamous." this..... when it was challenged by a man over different car insurance rates... he won! his insurance didn't go down to match... womens went up to match! when it was challenged by a man over different pensions ages.. he won! his pension age didn't go down to match, Womens went up to match! so if you thins would can challenge it as a man and win.... and you think your "charge" is going to come down.... I think your nuts!!! all it will do is that less women will go.... so then maybe less couples will go.... so then less men will go!!! I am assuming you'll still go to a club if it full of more men and less women/couples?? yeah.... thought not!!!! | |||
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" It's not a business though, it's a private party, unless I'm misunderstanding. Nobody should be making a financial profit by charging people for anything on here. If they are charging, it’s a business. Nothing wrong with being a business, but the taxman will want a slice! (rathinbow)" If they are paying the women to be there specifically to have sex with the men is that not prostitution rather than swinging?? | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " Do you know what they are charging couples and females? | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " I don’t know of any clubs on here that charge this so I’m presuming this is some sort of private sex party ? | |||
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"Would be interesting to see it challenged. The positive action direction would be a bit of a stretch as woman are no less social or take part in sex any less than men. The fact both may take place in the same venue i doubt would be a valid case creating a minority participation. I doubt anyone will ever challenge it. But let's say they do and 'win'. Clubs that have charged single males say £30 entry fee and reduced rate for females would now have to charge £30 for females(it was the same with car insurance) What do you think that will do to the number of fems who go? yep it would reduce, the males stop going, so the club goes out of business. So if anyone wants to challenge feel free. You will certainly be infamous. this..... when it was challenged by a man over different car insurance rates... he won! his insurance didn't go down to match... womens went up to match! when it was challenged by a man over different pensions ages.. he won! his pension age didn't go down to match, Womens went up to match! so if you thins would can challenge it as a man and win.... and you think your "charge" is going to come down.... I think your nuts!!! all it will do is that less women will go.... so then maybe less couples will go.... so then less men will go!!! I am assuming you'll still go to a club if it full of more men and less women/couples?? yeah.... thought not!!!! " The maths would probably go something like this. Say a club charge single guys £50, couples £30 (i.e.£15 per person) and single women £10. On an average night, let's say they get 50 men, 40 couples and 10 women. So they take £3800. If you divide that equally between all 140 people attending that's about £27 each (so £54 for a couple). So to get the same revenue and assuming the same numbers keep coming, single guys would get a significant reduction at the expense of couples and women. Of course, the huge increase in price may well mean fewer women and couples attend which in turn leads to fewer men and then the club closing. By the way does anyone know of clubs that don't do differential pricing? How do they get on? | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. " . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " If people are happy to pay the ticket price, then fair play to them. If the party is a success for all involved, and people feel they had value for money, then get yourself along to the next one. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question." That's the ones. Run by a guy called Alex. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question. That's the ones. Run by a guy called Alex. " . Yes Alex was his name I am not good with accents but I think he accent was American or Canadian.There is another type of this party in the central London area but I am not sure if it is the same guy. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question. That's the ones. Run by a guy called Alex. . Yes Alex was his name I am not good with accents but I think he accent was American or Canadian.There is another type of this party in the central London area but I am not sure if it is the same guy." I was invited to those parties, despite being in Cornwall. I reported the profile as they were offering 'expenses' plus apparently the 'tips' were good. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place?" No, I wouldn't go. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place?" Yes, I would stop going for that very reason. Whilst I'm looking for single men, I don't want to be overwhelmed by them. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? Yes, I would stop going for that very reason. Whilst I'm looking for single men, I don't want to be overwhelmed by them. " We do pay £30 and more for a couple in some clubs. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? No, I wouldn't go. " Not a chance would single woman pay to get in clubs, why would they? , they are often free or very cheap cus they are the bait to get the single guys in | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? No, I wouldn't go. Not a chance would single woman pay to get in clubs, why would they? , they are often free or very cheap cus they are the bait to get the single guys in " And the couples | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? No, I wouldn't go. Not a chance would single woman pay to get in clubs, why would they? , they are often free or very cheap cus they are the bait to get the single guys in And the couples " Not really we know quite a few clubs where couples pay same as guys | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " The problem with "choice" is sometimes it cost a lot more. | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question. That's the ones. Run by a guy called Alex. . Yes Alex was his name I am not good with accents but I think he accent was American or Canadian.There is another type of this party in the central London area but I am not sure if it is the same guy. I was invited to those parties, despite being in Cornwall. I reported the profile as they were offering 'expenses' plus apparently the 'tips' were good. " . About a year ago I received a message on Fabs from a young lady telling me about a Central London party that she would be attending and if I was interested in attending to call the phone number in her message and speak to the guy named in her message.The name and phone number looked familiar so I checked my emails and saw it was the same number and guy of sex party organiser who mailing list I am on.I informed admin but I didn’t hear anything back. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? No, I wouldn't go. Not a chance would single woman pay to get in clubs, why would they? , they are often free or very cheap cus they are the bait to get the single guys in " I do pay to attend my local club. | |||
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"Couple of women affronted at the idea of paying for club entry The mind boggles" Where? | |||
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"We go to a particular gg private party, and the single men do have to pay a lot of money, not a £100 though, But you get greeted by lovely looking women, and couples, drinks are provided,condoms,wipes, towels,showers,great hosts, You get home cooked meals and you can stay over if you ask, I think what they ask for is fair enough " Home cooked meals you say | |||
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"What are couples and single girls getting charged? It is reasonable to charge for a private party to cover costs e.g. hire of venue, food and entertainment. Without knowing more it is impossible to judge whether it is a rip off or not Single girls are probably free, as they are bait, for the same reason a nominal fee for couples to use the female halves as bait. They will be expected to have sex. With an ex partner I used to go to parties where couples were charged £35 but the money was refunded if the woman was seen to have sex with another man. Single guys were charged £80 and there were a few "single girls" suspiciously ready to have sex with anyone who asked. This is going back about ten years now. There was always loads of single guys there. . These sound similar to a party organiser in the West London Baron Courts area who later moved to North West London Camden these are advertised as swingers parties but were really sex parties with escorts. I think the couple rate was set at £35 for If the guy played with one of the escorts and the lady didn’t play at all then the guy who actually end up paying the single rate price which would be between £80 - £120 depending on the night in question. That's the ones. Run by a guy called Alex. . Yes Alex was his name I am not good with accents but I think he accent was American or Canadian.There is another type of this party in the central London area but I am not sure if it is the same guy. I was invited to those parties, despite being in Cornwall. I reported the profile as they were offering 'expenses' plus apparently the 'tips' were good. . About a year ago I received a message on Fabs from a young lady telling me about a Central London party that she would be attending and if I was interested in attending to call the phone number in her message and speak to the guy named in her message.The name and phone number looked familiar so I checked my emails and saw it was the same number and guy of sex party organiser who mailing list I am on.I informed admin but I didn’t hear anything back." Probably the same ones who approached me then. | |||
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"Heres a question - if women and couples were charged the ssme as single men and all paid £30 entry, would any women stop going? And do you think more men would go and flood the place? No, I wouldn't go. Not a chance would single woman pay to get in clubs, why would they? , they are often free or very cheap cus they are the bait to get the single guys in " The problem being; you never know who’s in the club on the night until you get there, and then you find “you should have been here last week mate; the place was packed with single women....” | |||
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"Why paying 100£.free food and drinks.free condoms.cost of rented premises.l feel this is a ploy to prey on the desperate guys.And secondly they are not upfront about this steep price. Sad" It's not free if you are paying £100. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " . In London from my experience as a single straight guy the cheapest house party I have attended is £35 , club night on a Tuesday at OP4F £30 gold member £40 silver member , Rios Spa £25 , Hotel gang bang £40 - £50 | |||
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"I think the OP is asking is single men being asked to pay 100£ is a rip off. As its likely that's others are not being charged that much. It's amazing how people took that to be anything else. The whole concept of "its your choice" is so old. Example some shops are charging 10£ for simple painkillers. Yet we don't say "no one is forcing you to pay that" And amazing how mnay people hwo organise parties come up to defense themself. Clearly OP has struck a something here. Me for 1 I think price should be the same for all, but of course limit the number of single men that attent. Why are some people paying more than others? Should entry fees not be the same? Why should I be asked to pay more for something? And if you are going to reply and say we'll if you don't like it don't pay please don't respond. " It's simple supply and demand. If you won't pay there are plenty of men who will. Doesn't make it right but it is what it is and no one will challenge it, they will moan but not challenge. | |||
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"I think the OP is asking is single men being asked to pay 100£ is a rip off. As its likely that's others are not being charged that much. It's amazing how people took that to be anything else. The whole concept of "its your choice" is so old. Example some shops are charging 10£ for simple painkillers. Yet we don't say "no one is forcing you to pay that" And amazing how mnay people hwo organise parties come up to defense themself. Clearly OP has struck a something here. Me for 1 I think price should be the same for all, but of course limit the number of single men that attent. Why are some people paying more than others? Should entry fees not be the same? Why should I be asked to pay more for something? And if you are going to reply and say we'll if you don't like it don't pay please don't respond. " It's a free market economy, supply and demand. If the cost for couples and single women is high they will go elsewhere. The single men will follow if they can. | |||
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"Its funny how many people say if the price rises for single woman less would attend and then less people would attend. This is the essence of supply and demand clubs would have to lower prices to increase attendance or go under. Move into alternative income streams to suppliment if required. If a woman is unwilling to pay £20 for a to get into a social venue why should a guy or a couple? After all thats all a club is its just a pub with no beer, otherwise a £20 entry free is a suggestion that more will happen and no lne wants people who think they deserve some action. (Of any gender). " I don't understand what you are saying. So if the price rises for women then more will attend? A guy will pay £20 cos he thinks he will get a fuck. A woman can pay nothing and be virtually guaranteed a fuck, why would she need to pay £20? That is the nature of swinging, again doesn't mean it is right but women are at the top if the pecking order, like it or not. | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. " Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement. | |||
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"Any party organiser charging Single guys 100£ for a party is either a pimp or madam when you check their background.Someone with the right frame of mind will think twice.Sorry for the poor choice of words.l have read all your comments here and no justification answer why single guy should pay such amount of money." But some fools do and that is why people continue to charge ridiculous prices. | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement." I've also found that the more distance travelled the higher the sense of entitlement. I'm not interested in long distance meets or holidaymakers mainly for this reason. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " Market forces decide what can/can’t be charged. If you don’t like the cost of something don’t go... it’s as simple as that. And one persons rip off might be another’s fantastic value..... or visa versa If, in your eyes, £25 is your ceiling price point then fine, take your business to somewhere that meets your expectations. Don’t moan about businesses at a higher price point. You can’t expect champagne results on a lambrini budget (a humorous comment, dont all jump on me) | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest " I think we should accept there is a difference here; single males are 'allowed' in, on whatever terms the party/club dictate, whereas single females and couples are always 'welcomed' | |||
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"Why do women pay more for haircuts, razors, we spend a shit load over a lifetime on sanitary products, our shampoo and conditioner cost more, we are expected to be made up with makeup and have our hair done etc. We are expected to show up in nice lingerie etc. So how much more are men actually paying for a night out? " Hair done ...nice lingerie..?. | |||
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"Why do women pay more for haircuts, razors, we spend a shit load over a lifetime on sanitary products, our shampoo and conditioner cost more, we are expected to be made up with makeup and have our hair done etc. We are expected to show up in nice lingerie etc. So how much more are men actually paying for a night out? Hair done ...nice lingerie..?. " What exactly are you trying to say? | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement." At a free social the atmosphere is really fantastic in my experience , there genuinely is no feeling of expectation , a nice mix of people, the guys are charming , the ladies aren't swamped and indeed they and the couples need to be engaging and sociable (I say need, they want to otherwise they wouldn't be there) This is done by managing the guest list and keeping an eye on things and being a good host... It's all Free...so the whole argument about charging to manage quality or numbers is really a small part of the equation.. | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement. At a free social the atmosphere is really fantastic in my experience , there genuinely is no feeling of expectation , a nice mix of people, the guys are charming , the ladies aren't swamped and indeed they and the couples need to be engaging and sociable (I say need, they want to otherwise they wouldn't be there) This is done by managing the guest list and keeping an eye on things and being a good host... It's all Free...so the whole argument about charging to manage quality or numbers is really a small part of the equation.." That's a social though, totally different thing. | |||
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"Why do women pay more for haircuts, razors, we spend a shit load over a lifetime on sanitary products, our shampoo and conditioner cost more, we are expected to be made up with makeup and have our hair done etc. We are expected to show up in nice lingerie etc. So how much more are men actually paying for a night out? Hair done ...nice lingerie..?. What exactly are you trying to say? " I've mostly seen you looking ruffled and windswept | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement. At a free social the atmosphere is really fantastic in my experience , there genuinely is no feeling of expectation , a nice mix of people, the guys are charming , the ladies aren't swamped and indeed they and the couples need to be engaging and sociable (I say need, they want to otherwise they wouldn't be there) This is done by managing the guest list and keeping an eye on things and being a good host... It's all Free...so the whole argument about charging to manage quality or numbers is really a small part of the equation.. That's a social though, totally different thing. " It is but saying trying to control quality of people by pricing is nonsense I think | |||
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"Why do women pay more for haircuts, razors, we spend a shit load over a lifetime on sanitary products, our shampoo and conditioner cost more, we are expected to be made up with makeup and have our hair done etc. We are expected to show up in nice lingerie etc. So how much more are men actually paying for a night out? Hair done ...nice lingerie..?. What exactly are you trying to say? I've mostly seen you looking ruffled and windswept " What? | |||
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"In regards paying for club entry, I can understand why single men are charged more. More demand. And if a bloke had paid like £40/50 to get in, he is more likely to behave and be respectful to couples and females in there than risk losing his money and being kicked out. Also capacity, if it’s flooded with single men then the amount of single females and couples allowed in would be limited and it would just become a sausage fest In regards to private parties at a home or other venue, I think £10 is very reasonable, maybe up to £20 if a venue has been hired that’s incredible! A lot of effort would go into preparation for the party if food and drink is provided and the clean up after. A private party is likely to be able to control a guest list so the ratio of single men to couples/single females. Private parties charging more than that, nah absolutely not. I disagree. I think the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Totally agree with this In my limited experience the more money paid the higher sense of entitlement. At a free social the atmosphere is really fantastic in my experience , there genuinely is no feeling of expectation , a nice mix of people, the guys are charming , the ladies aren't swamped and indeed they and the couples need to be engaging and sociable (I say need, they want to otherwise they wouldn't be there) This is done by managing the guest list and keeping an eye on things and being a good host... It's all Free...so the whole argument about charging to manage quality or numbers is really a small part of the equation.." I have to say, if this kind of event does away with the 'elitism' displayed by the majority of couples in the club scene, I would like to try one | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? " I wouldn't pay a £100 to get into a club. If it was a weekend of parties with accommodation then I'd think about it. | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? Market forces decide what can/can’t be charged. If you don’t like the cost of something don’t go... it’s as simple as that. And one persons rip off might be another’s fantastic value..... or visa versa If, in your eyes, £25 is your ceiling price point then fine, take your business to somewhere that meets your expectations. Don’t moan about businesses at a higher price point. You can’t expect champagne results on a lambrini budget (a humorous comment, dont all jump on me)" Really!!!!!!.Will you pay such money to party organiser? Easier said than done. Remember that the more a guy has paid, the more likely he is to feel entitled to some action and therefore the more pushy he will be. Keep that in mind. I don’t subscribe to this kind of attitude. | |||
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"the attitude of some couples who think the swinging world is exclusive to them is enough to put me off going to a club. and the only reason most of them go to a club is because in the real world they wouldn't get a single glance or any interest from a guy who prides himself on standards. im sure there are very lovely couples who treat guys with respect but from what I see posted here and on other sites most couples are up themselves and forget they were born into this world as a single. Well done. spot on bruv " | |||
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"Good evening hope your all keeping well and safe When this lock down ends I think it will be in stages and clubs will be one of the last to be able to open Really missing my favourite club and friends Because of that we are thinking about hosting a small party at a hired apartment Will be looking about 6 to 8 couples and 3 females plus 3 males Hopefully we can get a really nice big apartment for about 120 to 150 for the night So there would be a very small charge of £10 That is for a couple and also per single That should cover cost of hire of apartment and everyone brings there own drink Never done one before and wish the club could open so wouldn't have to Any thoughts on this would be very helpful " Wooooooow well done. bravo. LOl | |||
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"the attitude of some couples who think the swinging world is exclusive to them is enough to put me off going to a club. and the only reason most of them go to a club is because in the real world they wouldn't get a single glance or any interest from a guy who prides himself on standards. im sure there are very lovely couples who treat guys with respect but from what I see posted here and on other sites most couples are up themselves and forget they were born into this world as a single." Some couples are arseholes, some singles are arseholes. Fortunately most folk are really quite nice | |||
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"I am not against charging fees in party. But charging singles male 100£ is too much.Yes some desperate guys are willing to pay out such money. Any thing above 25£ for singles is extortion in my eyes.what do you think? Market forces decide what can/can’t be charged. If you don’t like the cost of something don’t go... it’s as simple as that. And one persons rip off might be another’s fantastic value..... or visa versa If, in your eyes, £25 is your ceiling price point then fine, take your business to somewhere that meets your expectations. Don’t moan about businesses at a higher price point. You can’t expect champagne results on a lambrini budget (a humorous comment, dont all jump on me)" At them prices you'd do better hiring an escort, as I've always said the swinging 'industry' don't do bad out of single guys. You'll get lots of posts of girls ripping off the guys on Fab but if it's a swinging party making a lot of cash that's different its 'up market'...pot kettle springs to mind. | |||
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