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As you can see from my profile I occasionally let me hair down and go into whore mode at local adult cinema. It is normally a fun time but time and again the "can't wear condoms" line is used.
On Saturday the majority of males there wanted bareback. Are they really that stupid, or just think they are immortal and that their cock has protective powers? No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback. They were left to pleasure themselves or play with other men.
To those kind gentlemen who suited up, a big thank you. |
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"No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback."
You say this as if you have conclusive evidence that some women don't fuck bareback. Please, get a grip.
Look after YOUR sexual health, and others will do the same for them. Or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Didn't you know, if a woman has a nice smile, she's as clean as a whistle
I agree, it's not just the men, that indulge in sexual roulette!...I will never ever understand, why people risk their health and then others, for a fuck!....No condom, no sex! its that simple.
I like clean filth....not DIRT! and dirty people!, and make no apologies for my feelings towards barebackers.
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
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I've played with folk who prefer bareback - they don't have a problem when I remind them I only play safe...I've found it's mostly been couples in the 50+ age range (not saying this is ALL couples, just the very few I've met who prefer BB). As someone else said, look after your own sexual health - I assume everyone I play with is fucking BB at all times so I take the precautions that I judge will keep ME safest  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well done OP if we keep banging the drum maybe all the . . . Let's call them prats who chance their own health and others will realise! One other thing going off at an angle a tiny bit! A lady I may well er have a coffee with is bringing her own as she buys latex free due to an allergy! I'd made some home made ones from washing up gloves but she doesn't like yellow! But seriously buy them wear them! If you dabble BB with 1 person and they've met let's say 5 those 5 people each met 5 so on and so on. . . . Condoms are for cocks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like clean filth....not DIRT! and dirty people!, and make no apologies for my feelings towards barebackers.
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While I wouldn't fuck strangers bareback.. I don't think it makes those that do dirty. I've met people that seem to think condoms are shields of steel.
So not all people that use condoms are clean, just as not all that play bareback are dirty.
I never used to play safe.. but do now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like clean filth....not DIRT! and dirty people!, and make no apologies for my feelings towards barebackers.
While I wouldn't fuck strangers bareback.. I don't think it makes those that do dirty. I've met people that seem to think condoms are shields of steel.
So not all people that use condoms are clean, just as not all that play bareback are dirty.
I never used to play safe.. but do now. "
I understand what you're saying, but It's just something I can't shake, it's how I feel, and I know to a lot of people, It sounds like an immature or naive view, but we all have our own platforms that we dive from, and mine is using what is available, to at least try and prevent STI's, yes I know there is a small risk, of this also through oral sex. But have you ever tried an oral dam
"What you don't know doesn't hurt you", is silly I know, but if someone I know, is actively partaking in bareback sex, with everyone and anyone, I can't be a part of that, but of course fully understand, if I didn't know, well I wouldn't know......It's worked thus far, so I have no need to change.
P.s You can buy condoms, for as little as 99p for 18! So I see no reason as to why people wouldn't want to try to protect themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's nothing wrong playing BB with a known (and trusted) regular partner.
Meeting a complete stranger in a cinema, or dogging location without condoms? On their heads be it."
Would that be the wife? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would be more worried about those that state they play safe only....as I am constantly amazed at how many don't.
So treat everyone the same... To be fair a well know bareback gangbang girl on here has mostly guys verify her that state safe sex only and she only does bare..
I do know what your saying though as I make use of private notes to mark people I know regularly play bare.
But I just find it wrong to call them dirty. I would hope they would do regular check ups. |
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"There's nothing wrong playing BB with a known (and trusted) regular partner.
Meeting a complete stranger in a cinema, or dogging location without condoms? On their heads be it.
Would that be the wife?"
Whose?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic."
Might have to invest in some soon as I've heard a rumour asda going to be charging for carrier bags  |
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over a year ago
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic."
You can but not latex free ones. Or not the last few visits. I just stock up when they are on offer. |
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By *habsMan
over a year ago
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic.
You can but not latex free ones. Or not the last few visits. I just stock up when they are on offer. "
Mates Skyn (the black and gold ones) are latex free.. got a large batch of them when went to clinic so maybe its a clinic by clinic basis? |
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic.
You can but not latex free ones. Or not the last few visits. I just stock up when they are on offer.
Mates Skyn (the black and gold ones) are latex free.. got a large batch of them when went to clinic so maybe its a clinic by clinic basis?"
Mine says they can't afford to provide them. That's three different ones. But to be fair I go for the check ups not the free condoms. |
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic.
Might have to invest in some soon as I've heard a rumour asda going to be charging for carrier bags "
LOL!  |
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"No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback.
You say this as if you have conclusive evidence that some women don't fuck bareback. Please, get a grip.
Look after YOUR sexual health, and others will do the same for them. Or not."
No, what I am saying is that no female in her right mind will let a stranger fuck her bb. This implies that a female bb fucking strangers is not right minded, ie in my opinion an idiot.
My whole post was saying I was looking after my sexual health and not leaving it to others.
By the way, my grip is extremely firm  |
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic."
And in colleges and other places
I buy my own, I have been told they are the 'hd of condoms' and it is that or stick it in someone else  |
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over a year ago
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic.
You can but not latex free ones. Or not the last few visits. I just stock up when they are on offer.
Mates Skyn (the black and gold ones) are latex free.. got a large batch of them when went to clinic so maybe its a clinic by clinic basis?"
I need to move to London, If they are giving Skyns away for free ....they are one of the best IMHO |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"As you can see from my profile I occasionally let me hair down and go into whore mode at local adult cinema. It is normally a fun time but time and again the "can't wear condoms" line is used.
On Saturday the majority of males there wanted bareback. Are they really that stupid, or just think they are immortal and that their cock has protective powers? No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback. They were left to pleasure themselves or play with other men.
To those kind gentlemen who suited up, a big thank you."
you'd be surprised at the amount of women who have tried to jump me without .. with their hubby present.
also - you'd be surprised how when I put mine on the coffee table, there's a stutter, a shocked silence a - oh you're using those comments.
It goes absolutely both ways - and no, I dont shag anything that moves. |
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over a year ago
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I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Look after yourself. Plenty people Turn up without but i always have some. Even often get oh i wont stay hard if i wear one. Puts me off certain people when you see Their Verifications and see Some of the people they have met. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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I use Skyns. The last party I went to I took about 7, and the other woman took quite a lot of latex condoms. Guess whose condoms got used up first? Mine!
Luckily my local clinic does them for free so I'll have to stock up again soon. |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"Look after yourself. Plenty people Turn up without but i always have some. Even often get oh i wont stay hard if i wear one. Puts me off certain people when you see Their Verifications and see Some of the people they have met."
know what you mean !!!! couldn't have put it better its common they say they cant raise it if they use them!!! |
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X "
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility. |
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility. "
Oh for goodness sake I've heard it all now. Why not worry about your own health and leave others to worry about theirs.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility. "
Why should admin do that???
Each to their own I say, if people want to play like that then it's their choise,why should they get banned from a swingers site because of their choices? |
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X "
And, if that's what they are looking for why not.... At least now you know who to block x |
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over a year ago
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"I'm outraged at how many women think they can turn up for a meet without a femidom.
Oh wait.....
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have you seen those fuckers?? They are like a Tesco bag and according to a woman I work with you have to hold them in place as you do the deed  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility. "
Its not the admins responsibility for the way people play. |
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"I'm outraged at how many women think they can turn up for a meet without a femidom.
Oh wait.....
have you seen those fuckers?? They are like a Tesco bag and according to a woman I work with you have to hold them in place as you do the deed "
I'm all for equal opportunity protection  |
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"I'm outraged at how many women think they can turn up for a meet without a femidom.
Oh wait.....
have you seen those fuckers?? They are like a Tesco bag and according to a woman I work with you have to hold them in place as you do the deed
I'm all for equal opportunity protection "
Have you ever had to hold a condom up as you fucked? Squashed fingers or what!!  |
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I'm all for equal opportunity protection
Have you ever had to hold a condom up as you fucked? Squashed fingers or what!! "
I've had to hold on to one to ensure it didn't roll off before.
My original comment about the femidoms was partly in jest though |
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over a year ago
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I'm all for equal opportunity protection
Have you ever had to hold a condom up as you fucked? Squashed fingers or what!!
I've had to hold on to one to ensure it didn't roll off before.
My original comment about the femidoms was partly in jest though"
well, I bring my own condoms but you can keep the femidom for your shopping |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What about someone inventing a spray on condom - would be a perfect fit and never slip off
I'm always saying this!"
Quick lets register at the Patent Office ! |
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over a year ago
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"what amazes me is how many men DONT bring them with them to a meet
fortunately I have LOADS "
That's why around 6 months ago I bought a box of 144 condoms ( a bit over zealous I know )...lol... So if I ever I mean ever turn up at a meet without a condom I will officially let that lucky lady chop my balls off ...well maybe not that far ..  |
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"what amazes me is how many men DONT bring them with them to a meet
fortunately I have LOADS
That's why around 6 months ago I bought a box of 144 condoms ( a bit over zealous I know )...lol... So if I ever I mean ever turn up at a meet without a condom I will officially let that lucky lady chop my balls off ...well maybe not that far .. "
just make sure they dont go past the expiry date  |
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"what amazes me is how many men DONT bring them with them to a meet
fortunately I have LOADS
That's why around 6 months ago I bought a box of 144 condoms ( a bit over zealous I know )...lol... So if I ever I mean ever turn up at a meet without a condom I will officially let that lucky lady chop my balls off ...well maybe not that far ..
just make sure they dont go past the expiry date "
Defo will keep an eye on that ...or might just start giving em away just a few months before expiration date ....literally throwing them out my car window as I drive past clubs/bars ...  |
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"what amazes me is how many men DONT bring them with them to a meet
fortunately I have LOADS
That's why around 6 months ago I bought a box of 144 condoms ( a bit over zealous I know )...lol... So if I ever I mean ever turn up at a meet without a condom I will officially let that lucky lady chop my balls off ...well maybe not that far ..
just make sure they dont go past the expiry date
Defo will keep an eye on that ...or might just start giving em away just a few months before expiration date ....literally throwing them out my car window as I drive past clubs/bars ... "
lol!
I tend to only soft swap, so have to keep my eye out on the expiry date. It was something I never even considered when I was young, but now obsessed with it! Amazing how many people are not aware they can expire. Mine get used up by other people at the clubs once they find out I have the skyns latex free ones, I was gutted when my clinic gave me pesante ones last month. |
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility. "
Why... Some people like that. It's not illegal.. it's between consenting adults..
But I'm now gutted that my clinic seems to be a tight arse. Ask for latex free now and you get femidoms lol |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I like clean filth....not DIRT! and dirty people!, and make no apologies for my feelings towards barebackers.
While I wouldn't fuck strangers bareback.. I don't think it makes those that do dirty. I've met people that seem to think condoms are shields of steel.
So not all people that use condoms are clean, just as not all that play bareback are dirty.
I never used to play safe.. but do now.
I understand what you're saying, but It's just something I can't shake, it's how I feel, and I know to a lot of people, It sounds like an immature or naive view, but we all have our own platforms that we dive from, and mine is using what is available, to at least try and prevent STI's, yes I know there is a small risk, of this also through oral sex. But have you ever tried an oral dam
"What you don't know doesn't hurt you", is silly I know, but if someone I know, is actively partaking in bareback sex, with everyone and anyone, I can't be a part of that, but of course fully understand, if I didn't know, well I wouldn't know......It's worked thus far, so I have no need to change.
P.s You can buy condoms, for as little as 99p for 18! So I see no reason as to why people wouldn't want to try to protect themselves."
I've used a dental dam a few times. They're really bloody fiddly and often prevent you getting your tongue where you want to get it. |
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"I was looking at gang bang party adverts on here - asking for 15 guys and " lady requests bareback!!" And there were quite a few different parties Xx WTF honestly ?? X
Surely fab admin should be taking that sortof advert down. Show some social, if not moral responsibility.
Its not the admins responsibility for the way people play. "
Nope! But does provide all the info you need to decide on additional names for your blocklist!  |
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"No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback.
You say this as if you have conclusive evidence that some women don't fuck bareback. Please, get a grip.
Look after YOUR sexual health, and others will do the same for them. Or not."
I would think RESPONSIBLE swingers would look out for each others health as it is a like-minded community seeking uncomplicated enjoyment.
P.S. OP did say right mind..  |
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There is a lot of the general public who look down their noses at people who swing so for swingers to look down their noses at other swingers gets my back up.
If people want to play safe or bareback that's up to them at least their being open about and not saying one thing on their profile but doing the other in private.
People I think fall into these 3 camps
one people who always play safe
two people who always play bareback
three people who sometimes play safe and sometimes play bareback depending on their mood and situation
I would hazard a guess and say the majority fall into 3.
Personally I think its better if people where open about playing bareback with out being stigmatised about it that way if you only want to play safe you know who to avoid.
Where all adults and you know the risks
Cars are dangerous but we still get in them. |
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"No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback.
You say this as if you have conclusive evidence that some women don't fuck bareback. Please, get a grip.
Look after YOUR sexual health, and others will do the same for them. Or not.
I would think RESPONSIBLE swingers would look out for each others health as it is a like-minded community seeking uncomplicated enjoyment.
P.S. OP did say right mind.. "
And some in their "right mind" choose to fuck bareback. Their choice. If you protect yourself, then leave them to suffer the consequences of THEIR choices. |
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"There is a lot of the general public who look down their noses at people who swing so for swingers to look down their noses at other swingers gets my back up.
If people want to play safe or bareback that's up to them at least their being open about and not saying one thing on their profile but doing the other in private.
People I think fall into these 3 camps
one people who always play safe
two people who always play bareback
three people who sometimes play safe and sometimes play bareback depending on their mood and situation
I would hazard a guess and say the majority fall into 3.
Personally I think its better if people where open about playing bareback with out being stigmatised about it that way if you only want to play safe you know who to avoid.
Where all adults and you know the risks
Cars are dangerous but we still get in them."
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"As you can see from my profile I occasionally let me hair down and go into whore mode at local adult cinema. It is normally a fun time but time and again the "can't wear condoms" line is used.
On Saturday the majority of males there wanted bareback. Are they really that stupid, or just think they are immortal and that their cock has protective powers? No woman in their right mind will allow a complete stranger fuck them bareback. They were left to pleasure themselves or play with other men.
To those kind gentlemen who suited up, a big thank you."
If they dont wear a clap catcher they don't get a shag.
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You are missing the point totally. And the point IS that people who play bareback place greater emphasis on the thrill than they do on the value of their own health and life. Which in turn asks ( or should pose at the very least ) the question of just what risk have they exposed themselves to prior to meeting YOU! I think its a safe bet that you are going to be putting yourself at serious risk by indulging with such people. However if the prospect of ending you days in a hospital bed in excruciating pain having developed cancer for example through the on- set of AIDS then carry on regardless. Unfortunately in life we have an abundance of people who just dont care about other people and also an abundance of thick cunts who are simply incapable of evaluating risk. |
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"Breaking news: you can get condoms for free at GUM clinics. Yes, you heard that right here first - free condoms from your local GUM clinic.
You can but not latex free ones. Or not the last few visits. I just stock up when they are on offer.
Mates Skyn (the black and gold ones) are latex free.. got a large batch of them when went to clinic so maybe its a clinic by clinic basis?
I need to move to London, If they are giving Skyns away for free ....they are one of the best IMHO "
Oh, I agree. They also do large which is wonderful. I spent years in pain or splitting Durex with alsorts of complications from that before I found large Skyns in Sainsbury by chance. .... Never looked back !! |
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"You are missing the point totally. And the point IS that people who play bareback place greater emphasis on the thrill than they do on the value of their own health and life. Which in turn asks ( or should pose at the very least ) the question of just what risk have they exposed themselves to prior to meeting YOU! I think its a safe bet that you are going to be putting yourself at serious risk by indulging with such people. However if the prospect of ending you days in a hospital bed in excruciating pain having developed cancer for example through the on- set of AIDS then carry on regardless. Unfortunately in life we have an abundance of people who just dont care about other people and also an abundance of thick cunts who are simply incapable of evaluating risk."
Mmmmmmmm thick cunts .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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While I'm all for playing safe and do on every meet (other than my own partner) as it protects you from a lot of nasties there are things it's still doesn't protect you from. The most commonly growing STD at the moment is gential warts and they onl require skin to skin contact and a condom cannot protect you from them. So yes it's important to play safe but more importantly if you are choosing to engage in swinging/casual sex regular check ups at the GUM clinic are more important especially when signs of most STD's take 3 months to appear so you can have contracted the STD long before you have knowledge of it! |
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"I've played with folk who prefer bareback - they don't have a problem when I remind them I only play safe...I've found it's mostly been couples in the 50+ age range (not saying this is ALL couples, just the very few I've met who prefer BB). As someone else said, look after your own sexual health - I assume everyone I play with is fucking BB at all times so I take the precautions that I judge will keep ME safest "
Oddly enough I have found that too; one guy who I had discussed a previous meet with on the use of condoms and was aghast that he didn't then tried without when we were playing with the line 'I am safe'  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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There's a huge amount of bad education with regards to sexual health. I recently spoke to someone who thought that a vagina that smelled funny meant that the woman had an STI, which then means they assume a clean smelling pussy meant no STI. If that was the case then surely STIs wouldn't be the problem they are. Anyone who whiffs a bit can be given a good scrub and they're safe! If only...  |
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"There's a huge amount of bad education with regards to sexual health. I recently spoke to someone who thought that a vagina that smelled funny meant that the woman had an STI, which then means they assume a clean smelling pussy meant no STI. If that was the case then surely STIs wouldn't be the problem they are. Anyone who whiffs a bit can be given a good scrub and they're safe! If only... " .
How naive of them to think that, there's loads of reasons for a bad vaginally odour; yeast infection, hormonal imbalance, that time of the month to just not washing enough and more |
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"There's a huge amount of bad education with regards to sexual health. I recently spoke to someone who thought that a vagina that smelled funny meant that the woman had an STI, which then means they assume a clean smelling pussy meant no STI. If that was the case then surely STIs wouldn't be the problem they are. Anyone who whiffs a bit can be given a good scrub and they're safe! If only... "
Given some of the ignorance on display here when it comes to basic human biology, i'm not surprised really. |
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As I've said before one of the most worrying things on here is people thinking because they are playing safely with someone without bareback pics on a profile they are somehow safer than playing with someone who has played bareback in the past
That is a completely false reassurance, you should assume everyone, and I mean everyone, has at some point in their lives played bareback and that sex, even with a condom, carries a risk
The only safe sex is no sex and by being on here we all accept a risk, burying your head in the sand about that risk doesn't make it go away |
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I thought that over washing actually caused more problems, as it upsets the natural balance of things.
So much affects taste of men and women, from diet, to washing power and soap/bathroom products.
Smell is also one of the things we are naturally attracted too  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
"I thought that over washing actually caused more problems, as it upsets the natural balance of things.
So much affects taste of men and women, from diet, to washing power and soap/bathroom products.
Smell is also one of the things we are naturally attracted too "
As Mikasgirl posted, sometimes you don't do anything and the smell changes. I know that men won't be as au fait with the intricacies of womens hormonal changes, but even if I didn't change my washing and laundering habits my smell will change depending on the time of the month. Accusing a woman who has no control over her smell of having an STI shows a lack of education I find peculiar in this day and age. Bring back medieval miasmas! |
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By *habsMan
over a year ago
Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex |
"As I've said before one of the most worrying things on here is people thinking because they are playing safely with someone without bareback pics on a profile they are somehow safer than playing with someone who has played bareback in the past
That is a completely false reassurance, you should assume everyone, and I mean everyone, has at some point in their lives played bareback and that sex, even with a condom, carries a risk
The only safe sex is no sex and by being on here we all accept a risk, burying your head in the sand about that risk doesn't make it go away"
I approve this message!
So many people that claim to be "condom campaigners" that I've observed bareback.. not that I'm judging, but rather, advising those who live in glass houses not to throw stones. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a huge amount of bad education with regards to sexual health. I recently spoke to someone who thought that a vagina that smelled funny meant that the woman had an STI, which then means they assume a clean smelling pussy meant no STI. If that was the case then surely STIs wouldn't be the problem they are. Anyone who whiffs a bit can be given a good scrub and they're safe! If only... "
More like a hose down and Bleach scrubbed to f**k .... |
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