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UK now passes italian death total highest in Europe

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In revised figures,

Deaths rates related to on the rise in germany and a airborne virus detected in wuhan.

Lock down ending is still a ways of and social distancing and face masks is set to be the new norm it seems

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

I don’t think the lockdown is ending anytime soon and I’m happy with that much as the pain it brings. Need to mitigate a second or third spike.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

And how many people have survived?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths."

And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Dunno last I checked my school friends still dead I can ask them?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. "

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Only thing I'd place a bet on is that we won't surpass the USA. Only a small bet.

It's good that we're now getting our full numbers, not just the hospital deaths

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! "
Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

All countries report and count deaths in different ways, the lockdown IS working but we are also now seeing the results of the selfish twats that wouldn't stay in on the Easter weekend.

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By *tticusukMan over a year ago

formby

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths."

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths!

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By *tticusukMan over a year ago

formby

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. "

It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! "
No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

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By *oroRick1027Man over a year ago

The Boro

"So much for learning from Italy and Spain. This gvt has been abysmal and still is. What do you expect from a country that relies on charity to sort everything out. Hats off to Captain Tom and co but for god sake, charity is not a way to fund public services! The NHS and social care have been neglected for too long. We are now reaping the results. "

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. "

Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine?

How aids is stopped with a vaccine?

How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine?

Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk.

The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by.

The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter.

Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this.

We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later.

Lock down cannot persist for 18 months.

We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty.

Its time to face the music.

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By *oroRick1027Man over a year ago

The Boro

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away. "

Don't be ridiculous, if you're not near anyone you can't get it or pass it on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co."

Where did this poster mention Corbyn? You can't keep falling back on that to excuse the balls up this Government has made of it. It's done well with the financial side, the health side has been a disaster!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away.

It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect!"

If you think the virus has been stopped anywhere you're sadly mistaken

This virus is here to stay for the immediate future if not for longer

Don't forget this all started with ONE person a long way away and only a few short months ago

There are now millions, possibly hundreds of millions infected and whilst it's under some sort of control in a lot of countries it's certainly far from over in ANY country

29th April Australia 19 new cases, Iceland around 10 new cases this week

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month. "

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

We will only know how many have died this time next year when death rates for next winter compared to normal are calculated. Any person dying WITH covid 19 in the UK are recorded of dying from it, not all countries do it this way so comparison at the moment is pointless.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co."

True, they might have thrown money at a furlough scheme. They may also have bailed out train franchises or even written off the debt of the NHS a bit like the ... o yes the current lot. Only difference is that if Corbyn and co had spent half the money the tories just have, the Mail abc yourself would have mooned about it for 25 years. But with this lot, no problem!

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Deaths and new infections (confirmed by test) are falling.

Our so called "lockdown" is working.

We have capacity in ventilator and oxygen plus beds.

Nightingale Harrogate has zero, yes zero patients.

Need to look at so many factors to compare country with country including the density of population (in both senses).

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai

We seriously worry for the UK with this incompetent government in charge, as soon as flights are available we’re in Dubai until the UK becomes clean, they and other countries have managed it so much better. UK and US have clowns for leaders.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst."

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

It’s the first time they’ve used this graph with population percentages. Up to now, they were quite happy to show us behind everybody, now that we are on top of everybody else, they’ve changed it. Probably luck.

Also, for a month and a half they’ve showed those graphs and compare the UK line with the other countries’ trajectory but they’re now telling us that we can’t make any comparisons as it’s too difficult. Why have they compared our line with other countries’ for weeks then?

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co."

This is a pathetic statement being continually spewed out by people who have no other defence for the Governments ineptitude

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?"

I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?

I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients?"

They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co."

Literally unbelievable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I always said it was airborne I’ve never believed the government! Doesn’t make sense that it isn’t airborne!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?

I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients?

They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases."

But if they’re testing significantly more that’s to be expected isn’t it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Go help us all if it had been Corbyn and Co.

This is a pathetic statement being continually spewed out by people who have no other defence for the Governments ineptitude

I wouldn’t go down the road of politicising this. But the government have been absolutely hapless in dealing with it . Fallen well short in every department

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By *ibbyhunterCouple over a year ago

keighley

Everyone seems to want to play the blame game, so I suggest my friends we look east for the real blame.

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By *ax777Man over a year ago

Not here

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst."

If you believe that Italian, French and Spanish stats are correct then have a look at this article, in the Guardian, no less.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/is-comparing-covid-19-death-rates-across-europe-helpful-

The ONS weekly figures have always included Covid-19 deaths. The last published figures showed a total of 19093 to 17th April, where as the Worldometers figures were 14576.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Everyone seems to want to play the blame game, so I suggest my friends we look east for the real blame."

Eastenders?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Den Watts ? ...... I knew he would have something to do with this ??

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

think that’s going to be the line of defence used by the tories. Our number are absolutely on the money because we can count better than anyone else in the world. ( how many times have you heard recently that we are the best in the world at everything??) The French can’t count. The Italians are too lazy to count above 20000 and the Spaniards have gone to the beach after 25000.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple over a year ago

keighley

Further east and no not Ipswich.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Guy For 20’s-30’s Girls

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally."

Because they’re weak. They will not admit they’ve made any mistakes. It’s time to show strength and be humble and admit they’ve royally fucked up with this. Then, the public might just cut them some slack.

Hancock has to go, for one.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Ahh the good old days days when people used to say..well we are doing better than Italy..spain..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

And am I right in thinking Germany don't record as a covid death if there are any other factors involved?

I think this is correct...but unclear. On another thread...despite their manufacturing base...they also have similar shirtages in PPE. Why would that be if far fewer covid patients?

They have less deaths but roughly the same confirmed cases.

But if they’re testing significantly more that’s to be expected isn’t it?"

Considering population Germany is testing less than Italy.

Anyway the point was that they don't have less cases so they are under the same pressure of UK. Still the PPE shortage is a recent thing.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths."

Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this"

Nope. There is a question mark for Spain but in France for example, hospitals and care homes are included.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"All countries report and count deaths in different ways, the lockdown IS working but we are also now seeing the results of the selfish twats that wouldn't stay in on the Easter weekend. "

These extra numbers are due to care home deaths, don't think its fair to call these people selfish twats, i would assume they weren't out and about over easter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Deaths and new infections (confirmed by test) are falling.

Our so called "lockdown" is working.

We have capacity in ventilator and oxygen plus beds.

Nightingale Harrogate has zero, yes zero patients.

Need to look at so many factors to compare country with country including the density of population (in both senses)."

It's fortunate that the Nightingale hospitals have so few patients because we don't have the ICU trained staff to man them, the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to be able to look after them.

The buildings and all the beds and equipment in them are all fucking useless without the staff trained to look after such desperately ill patients. Putting a load of beds in an exhibition centre is the easy part, any idiot can do that, having enough trained staff to make them usable? That takes years, especially as the NHS has been suffering the death of a thousand cuts over the last decade.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

No they’re saying we’re doing better Belgium per capita. Brainwashing style!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Yes people complain about the figures only including hospital deaths but that's generally how all countries report this

Nope. There is a question mark for Spain but in France for example, hospitals and care homes are included."

Where are you getting the info that Italy is including outside deaths in their numbers ?

I have seen quite a few reports of outside deaths not being reported, but nothing reported to say they do include them .

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Deaths and new infections (confirmed by test) are falling.

Our so called "lockdown" is working.

We have capacity in ventilator and oxygen plus beds.

Nightingale Harrogate has zero, yes zero patients.

Need to look at so many factors to compare country with country including the density of population (in both senses).

I asked a few weeks ago who was going to staff them and was told it was all the drs etc coming out of retirement.

Another shitshow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The slides that accompanied the news brief today and showed the death toll in the US, UK, Spain Italy, France, Germany and Sweden listed on the side whether they listed care home deaths aswell, only in the US and Spain figures was any uncertainty in care home deaths

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-29-april-2020

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Do they do care homes in the US? I thought Trump was drowning the elderly at 80 years old. Too expensive and too cumbersome!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Do they do care homes in the US? I thought Trump was drowning the elderly at 80 years old. Too expensive and too cumbersome! "

Like an oap Logans run.?

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By *erry bull1Man over a year ago

doncaster

I wouldn’t trust a word Germany says about the figures

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

China liars

Germany liars

Russia liars

France liars.

Britain...

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By *ctionnotwords69Man over a year ago

ENFIELD

"think that’s going to be the line of defence used by the tories. Our number are absolutely on the money because we can count better than anyone else in the world. ( how many times have you heard recently that we are the best in the world at everything??) The French can’t count. The Italians are too lazy to count above 20000 and the Spaniards have gone to the beach after 25000."

Don't worry, we've got this....from the Diane Abbott and Priti Patel School of Mathematics....

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By *ctionnotwords69Man over a year ago

ENFIELD

"Do they do care homes in the US? I thought Trump was drowning the elderly at 80 years old. Too expensive and too cumbersome!

Like an oap Logans run.?"

Luv a bit of Jenny Agutter

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"The slides that accompanied the news brief today and showed the death toll in the US, UK, Spain Italy, France, Germany and Sweden listed on the side whether they listed care home deaths aswell, only in the US and Spain figures was any uncertainty in care home deaths

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-29-april-2020

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are the champions,champions of Europe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *uzy206Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Please always remember that without our fantastic NHS and care workers we would be in much worse condition.

Comparing coutry to country is not easy and todays per capita slide was the most accurate if you want to compare such things

I saw Belgium in the worst situation far worse than the UK and the USA which has massive amounts of death being better than most of Europe. To compare countrys you must always remember thier population and how that population is spread. Denser populations will always suffer more quickly. Also countries where the lockdown is respected will also fair better. Still can't belive the stupidity of some that think its ok for them

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away.

Just like flu is stopped with a vaccine?

How aids is stopped with a vaccine?

How the many other illness's and virus's that can cause death is stopped with a vaccine?

Go away with this nonsense vaccine talk.

The flu season is over, the warmer weather is here, we now have 8 empty nightengale hospitals om stand by.

The lock down soul purpose was to give the NHS a chance because 2 months ago we was still coming out of winter.

Now its time to get out of lock down and get on with life and start getting immune to this.

We are all going to get this one way or another, sooner or later.

Lock down cannot persist for 18 months.

We have given the NHS a chance now, the warmer weather is here, hospitals are all but empty.

Its time to face the music.

That approach failed. It's been a different one that's been successful in other countries.

Deciding to exterminate a huge bulk of a population was sometimes touted by immoral leaders in the past, without empathy etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work.

Lockdown works! Without it the death toll would be so much higher! Lockdown speads the death toll it's doesn't stop it,a virus can't be stopped only with a vaccine and that's 12/18 months away.

It’s been stopped in Iceland, in South Korea, in New Zealand and in Australia to name a few so you are grossly incorrect!"

Without any immunity build up. Once their lockdown ends it will only take one person to start it off and that’s a load of deaths, a second lockdown and a financial crisis...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I always said it was airborne I’ve never believed the government! Doesn’t make sense that it isn’t airborne! "

Kind of like an unprotected Doctor or Nurse working with infected patients in a hospital, gets infected whilst on a quick windy walk going home?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Did someone say hospitals are "nearly empty?

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By *anillaboyMan over a year ago

london

People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc.....

Lock down will end in june

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally."

They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan.

Its also worth noteing that in the UK if you have tested possitive for the virus and sadly die you go on the figures regardless if you died because of the virus or not. As long as its shown anywhere on the death cert it goes on the figures. As an example you can test positive for the virus and be recovering at home but then die from something unrelated. Because you have a positive test you will go on the figures even though you dies from something else - not all or any other countries are doing this

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally.

They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan.

Not at all. People asked them to include care homes but they have now included the percentage of death per capita. Nobody’s asked them to do this. It suits them and it will be enough to brainwash the monobraincell Daily Mail readers.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally.

They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan.

The per capita deaths is a far more accurate way of comparing different countries. Without it you are comparing countries with a population of say 30 million to a country with a population of 330 million. Higher the population will mean more people to infect and sadly more deaths.

Another problem is countries that seem to have faired better like Germany have started to ease thier lockdowns and have already reported in increase in the virus

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-29-april-2020

This is an interesting change to the daily international slide .

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Showing numbers going just shows maybe lockdown doesn't work. "

Numbers are pointless if there are not accurate.

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc.....

Lock down will end in june

It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June.

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By *anillaboyMan over a year ago

london

"People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc.....

Lock down will end in june

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It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June. "

That is right too but i was talking about people that basically they don’t have nothing to do and they are bored on the house saw they though that is better on the street drinking beer have a joint ....... walking without no sense.

In the end is us who suffers

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"People doesn’t want to understand the situation. Lot’s of random people on the street chilling smoking drinking car mechanics at work, lot’s of shops open etc.....

Lock down will end in june

(

It will have to business can't stay closed forever and the government ain't go to keep supporting business and jobs beyond June.

In the end is us who suffers"

It is so annoying seeing on TV people breaking the rules. Last week I think it was police stopped a family that thought it was ok for them to drive from London ( I think) to the coast to do a days fishing. Thankfully the police turned them around and fined them all.

The fine I think is only £60 per person which is far to low especially for that type of stupidity. Either increase it big time and/or make any offenders do a few weeks on the front line with infected patients and no PPE ( or maybe just shoot them)

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By *adetMan over a year ago

Ipswich

"In revised figures,

Deaths rates related to on the rise in germany and a airborne virus detected in wuhan.

Lock down ending is still a ways of and social distancing and face masks is set to be the new norm it seems"

Except we haven't. Italy have over 27000 deaths

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Remember the new figures for UK are now for all covid19 deaths.

Italy report only hospital deaths.

Incorrect Italy includes care home deaths! No European countries have only counted hospital deaths so far, they are going to publish all deaths at the end of the month.

This is not true.

Spain (excluding Catalonia) doesn't report care home deaths. And no one knows what USA is doing.

But all the other countries in the govern slides have care homes numbers included.

It is also interesting to look at the new graph (in the gv slides) that relates number of deaths to population. In that graph UK is the third worst in the world after Belgium and Spain.

EuroMOMO project is also very interesting as it shows the excess deaths (regardless of the official cause of deaths) of 24 European countries, UK again is the worst.

I find it interesting how they changed the slides to make us look not at the top.

Yeah.., what about them stopping taking the piss and admit we are doing abysmally.

They changed the slides because people were asking them to include the non hospital figures - typical that when they do people just moan.

Another problem is countries that seem to have faired better like Germany have started to ease thier lockdowns and have already reported in increase in the virus"

I agree. It’s the most accurate wAy to compare. However, I find it a bit odd that the gvt decided to do this for the very first time on the day when we topped the other conventional graph. Probably a coincidence!