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By *ella and Jack OP   Couple 8 weeks ago

Westcliff on Sea

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53638083

That's what he said...'world beating'

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-world-beating-track-and-trace-system-ready-for-schools-to-reopen-pm-promises-11991606

'By the end of May'.....

Should of promised it in Latin, might of got away with it...

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By *hetributekingMan 8 weeks ago

Southish

Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount.

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By *on2012xMan 8 weeks ago

Nottingham

You can't believe a word they say

World beating at getting it wrong

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By *ella and Jack OP   Couple 8 weeks ago

Westcliff on Sea


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount. "

I can understand that these things are damn hard to get right but Johnson just throws out statements like 'world beating' without a second thought.

If they want us to trust them, they need to be honest. Nobody expects them to get everything right, but just throwing out statements like that just makes you wonder how much disdain they have for the general public.

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By *arksxMan 8 weeks ago

Leicester


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount.

I can understand that these things are damn hard to get right but Johnson just throws out statements like 'world beating' without a second thought.

If they want us to trust them, they need to be honest. Nobody expects them to get everything right, but just throwing out statements like that just makes you wonder how much disdain they have for the general public."

Because he is a populist... He thinks if he makes bold claims the voters will go for that.

Borris models himself on Churchill..

But he seems to forget the British promptly fired his arse as soon as the world war 2 was over.

The life cycle of an mp/pm is only as long as their skills are relevant.

Bozo Boris does not have the temperament or skills for the counties current situation.

Give javid a go... Im not fan of him either but a javid/sunak team at least give the uk a chance with all the economic uncertainty

And javid also has calmer and more thought out approach

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By *ella and Jack OP   Couple 8 weeks ago

Westcliff on Sea


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount.

I can understand that these things are damn hard to get right but Johnson just throws out statements like 'world beating' without a second thought.

If they want us to trust them, they need to be honest. Nobody expects them to get everything right, but just throwing out statements like that just makes you wonder how much disdain they have for the general public.

Because he is a populist... He thinks if he makes bold claims the voters will go for that.

Borris models himself on Churchill..

But he seems to forget the British promptly fired his arse as soon as the world war 2 was over.

The life cycle of an mp/pm is only as long as their skills are relevant.

Bozo Boris does not have the temperament or skills for the counties current situation.

Give javid a go... Im not fan of him either but a javid/sunak team at least give the uk a chance with all the economic uncertainty

And javid also has calmer and more thought out approach"

Careful, you can't say a word against the cult of Johnson on here!!!

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS 8 weeks ago

Plymouth


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount. "

Sorry I couldn't resist correcting your first sentence...

"Not disputing it, but as with all thing Tory it seems there is not rule book to follow."

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By *moothman2000Man 8 weeks ago

Leicestershire

Government and IT never works.

It always costs 5 times more than quoted, takes 3 times longer to deliver than expected and won't work as promised, if at all.

The only way this will work is if someone has the balls to admit that we're not 'world leaders' at this and just buy a known working product.

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By *ella and Jack OP   Couple 8 weeks ago

Westcliff on Sea


"Government and IT never works.

It always costs 5 times more than quoted, takes 3 times longer to deliver than expected and won't work as promised, if at all.

The only way this will work is if someone has the balls to admit that we're not 'world leaders' at this and just buy a known working product."

Just to think, they are having to develop a brand new customs IT system for Brexit......ermmm

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By *emini TVTV/TS 8 weeks ago

Vu Vu Land.


"Government and IT never works.

It always costs 5 times more than quoted, takes 3 times longer to deliver than expected and won't work as promised, if at all.

The only way this will work is if someone has the balls to admit that we're not 'world leaders' at this and just buy a known working product.

Just to think, they are having to develop a brand new customs IT system for Brexit......ermmm"

You do wonder which is taking priority.

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By *moothman2000Man 8 weeks ago

Leicestershire


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Just to think, they are having to develop a brand new customs IT system for Brexit......ermmm"

It's actually worse than that, there are actually 85 systems in use at HMRC and 30 of those need updating or replacing.

Some are on platforms that are 30 years old, which is never good news as the people that implemented them would have retired - so lots of guesswork involved.

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By *mmabluTV/TS 8 weeks ago

upton wirral


"Government and IT never works.

It always costs 5 times more than quoted, takes 3 times longer to deliver than expected and won't work as promised, if at all.

The only way this will work is if someone has the balls to admit that we're not 'world leaders' at this and just buy a known working product."

Tend to agree but the products have to be avaliable as as a nation we have forgotton how to stand on our own two feet,we have to learn fast before January 1st.We are paying the price for having become a lazy nation week and pathetic lets get tough again.

People get back to work think for yourselves and stop blaming the government of the day for everything that is wrong

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By *ella and Jack OP   Couple 8 weeks ago

Westcliff on Sea


"Government and IT never works.

It always costs 5 times more than quoted, takes 3 times longer to deliver than expected and won't work as promised, if at all.

The only way this will work is if someone has the balls to admit that we're not 'world leaders' at this and just buy a known working product.Tend to agree but the products have to be avaliable as as a nation we have forgotton how to stand on our own two feet,we have to learn fast before January 1st.We are paying the price for having become a lazy nation week and pathetic lets get tough again.

People get back to work think for yourselves and stop blaming the government of the day for everything that is wrong"

'Think for yourselves'.....gonna have to because this lot can't organise a wank in a peep show.

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By *naswingdressWoman 8 weeks ago

Manchester

"think for yourself" sounds a bit like "common sense".

Which sounds like a disaster in a public health crisis where we need cohesion, collaboration, and compliance.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 8 weeks ago

Central

There was a call for a cross-party team to fight this together early on and as things are now more complex, with higher stakes, it would take this away from being political/ideological, to some extent.

The apps have been produced, including open source, elsewhere, so we could implement 1,as a supporting tool. A huge group of virologists have been offering their expertise and resources to the government to help provide a backbone to our testing and tracing services. They should have their expertise leading any of the £outsourced work to companies that have no or limited experience in this area.

We're not an incapable country, we do have world leading expertise and should be using it appropriately.

A combined party steering group, fully transparent SAGE advice in real time, appropriate integration of our health, science and highly expert resources of personnel, labs etc, would put us on a stronger foundation to target resources and suppress outbreaks more quickly and effectively than we've managed.

Whilst some personal liberties could be restrained, I think that we have to focus expertise to achieve substantial reduction in infection levels, to retain the essential public buy-in to the drawn out battle that will be needed.

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By *naswingdressWoman 8 weeks ago

Manchester


"There was a call for a cross-party team to fight this together early on and as things are now more complex, with higher stakes, it would take this away from being political/ideological, to some extent.

The apps have been produced, including open source, elsewhere, so we could implement 1,as a supporting tool. A huge group of virologists have been offering their expertise and resources to the government to help provide a backbone to our testing and tracing services. They should have their expertise leading any of the £outsourced work to companies that have no or limited experience in this area.

We're not an incapable country, we do have world leading expertise and should be using it appropriately.

A combined party steering group, fully transparent SAGE advice in real time, appropriate integration of our health, science and highly expert resources of personnel, labs etc, would put us on a stronger foundation to target resources and suppress outbreaks more quickly and effectively than we've managed.

Whilst some personal liberties could be restrained, I think that we have to focus expertise to achieve substantial reduction in infection levels, to retain the essential public buy-in to the drawn out battle that will be needed. "

Abso-fucking-lutely

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By *arksxMan 8 weeks ago

Leicester


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount.

I can understand that these things are damn hard to get right but Johnson just throws out statements like 'world beating' without a second thought.

If they want us to trust them, they need to be honest. Nobody expects them to get everything right, but just throwing out statements like that just makes you wonder how much disdain they have for the general public.

Because he is a populist... He thinks if he makes bold claims the voters will go for that.

Borris models himself on Churchill..

But he seems to forget the British promptly fired his arse as soon as the world war 2 was over.

The life cycle of an mp/pm is only as long as their skills are relevant.

Bozo Boris does not have the temperament or skills for the counties current situation.

Give javid a go... Im not fan of him either but a javid/sunak team at least give the uk a chance with all the economic uncertainty

And javid also has calmer and more thought out approach

Careful, you can't say a word against the cult of Johnson on here!!!"

I think it's more the cult of brexit

Brexit means Brexit... Err ok

Brexit at all costs... Even deaths?

"I voted leave not half in half out"

There are post even in this thread about the uk standing on its on feet.

So why where is the uk stockpilin all sorts of supplies from Europe including medicine even prior to covid.

If Brexit had actually been planned out and was about honourign the public vote

Rather than seen as opportunity by mps as power grabs and lining their pockets like priti patel agreeing billions in trade packages with Israel behind the pms back.

We might just have been in a better position than most of the EU countries wwith supplies of ppe and medicines.

Instead we are now arguing over how my fish we can take out the sea during a pandemic.

Its not the uk that needs to leave the EU.

Its the fucktard MEPS from all countries and the full root and branch overhall how the EU works.

I don't think any EU citizen would argue that.

But the MEPS on all sides from all countries would

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By *ice__blokeMan 8 weeks ago

Teesside

Totally agree.. BoZo our clown is just a person that uses bluster & bullshit - saying he is a populist is too fine a word for him.

Saying " our world beating virus phone app " as he wafts his " speech papers "

This is downright conman - lying to the public he is supposed to serve

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By *moothman2000Man 8 weeks ago

Leicestershire

Where government IT generally falls apart is the insistance of using a developmemt methodology relying on a 'minimum viable product' and the external software developers delivering just that.

Poor project and contract management.

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By *ice__blokeMan 8 weeks ago

Teesside

This is like saying - you go into barclays bank & you use it to deposit your cash via the in branch machines or over the counter..

But the bank of BoZo a new outfit bank over the road, says it is a bank but doesnt offer a service in branch to handle cash ? Or keep track of your bank balances .. but they can give you a estimate ? of what you might have in your account in 2 weeks ........

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By *eeleyWoman 8 weeks ago

Dudley

I think this should be in the politics sub forum.

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By *ang200Man 8 weeks ago

manchester


"You can't believe a word they say

World beating at getting it wrong"

Yup

They still have yet to procide scientific evidence that this virus has been isolated and evidence that it causes thes symptoms and disease it claims to be.

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By *az080378Woman 8 weeks ago

Cromer


"You can't believe a word they say

World beating at getting it wrong

Yup

They still have yet to procide scientific evidence that this virus has been isolated and evidence that it causes thes symptoms and disease it claims to be."

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By *obka3Couple 8 weeks ago

bath

every single government IT project has turned out to be shit, makes no different which party was in power at the time

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By *tud muffinMan 8 weeks ago

North West


"Not disputting it, but as with all thing virus it seems there is not rule book to follow, they seem to make decisions on what they feel is best at the time. Without an adequate test and trace system in place scientists today have rease a new model stating with the schools reopening a second wave in December is more than likely, and double that of the first. Mainly due to people moving around more and coupled with other rescritions eased it's the perfect storm.

So a world beating test and trace is paramount.

I can understand that these things are damn hard to get right but Johnson just throws out statements like 'world beating' without a second thought.

If they want us to trust them, they need to be honest. Nobody expects them to get everything right, but just throwing out statements like that just makes you wonder how much disdain they have for the general public.

Because he is a populist... He thinks if he makes bold claims the voters will go for that.

Borris models himself on Churchill..

But he seems to forget the British promptly fired his arse as soon as the world war 2 was over.

The life cycle of an mp/pm is only as long as their skills are relevant.

Bozo Boris does not have the temperament or skills for the counties current situation.

Give javid a go... Im not fan of him either but a javid/sunak team at least give the uk a chance with all the economic uncertainty

And javid also has calmer and more thought out approach"

As Tarzan said Boris is one who looks to see which way the crowd are running and jumps in front shouting "follow me"

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By *ungblackbullMan 8 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"every single government IT project has turned out to be shit, makes no different which party was in power at the time"

Having worked in IT on government contracts for many years I can confirm that your statement is complete garbage...

Yes, there has been some major **** ups but also many thousands of successes you would have no idea about.

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By *spotpleasurerMan 8 weeks ago

Norwich

In these days of information saturation, politicians tend to believe that any publicity is good publicity.

If he had said 'Well, someday we hope to have a track and trace system ready and it will be helpful in fighting the pandemic in the UK' would anyone remember his words?

Those who doubt him are probably not the type who would vote for him anyway whereas his supporters are happy that the government is talking about a world beating system.

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By *harli GraceTV/TS 8 weeks ago

manchester

The problem with ‘world beating’ is sadly China’s adapted electronic identity card is what they are up against... they use a simple traffic light system that alerts a persons phone daily if they are isolated, need to be tested immediately or are free to work etc... it’s a compulsory item within society so it’s a near 100% uptake, it tracks users movements and it’s enforced by the police and military.

Our app can be as good as we like (which from all trials and reports it’s between mediocre and shit) but the very fact it relies on people to voluntarily use it means it’s doomed. You only have to look at lockdown breaches to see the mood of the public tbh.

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By *m389Man 8 weeks ago

Mfelt

I don’t get his mentality. We just need something that works and he frames it like some competition.

What next? A vaccine that is the “best of the best of the best”?

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By *harli GraceTV/TS 8 weeks ago

manchester


"I don’t get his mentality. We just need something that works and he frames it like some competition.

What next? A vaccine that is the “best of the best of the best”?"

Just read my news feed... it’s so world beating that a number of combined northern councils have decided to deliver their own regional track and trace... #impressive

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By *ice__blokeMan 8 weeks ago

Teesside

News night yesterday, data in from the track and trace - it is not fit for purpose.

Thousands of handlers calling people that may have got covid and to isolate for the 14 days.

average of 2 calls per day per handler, but one tracked person receiving 6 calls from different handlers, asking the same tick box questions thus 40% drop out, thus the system in reality failing.

Privately contracted out to the tune of billions again wasting our public money.

Local councils are now taking it into their own hands i.e blackburn and using LOCAL NHS service infrastructure which was perfectly placed to wackamole the killer pandemic virus ......

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By *ionelhutzMan 8 weeks ago

liverpool

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By *ionelhutzMan 8 weeks ago

liverpool

Trump does it aswell

Meaningless slogans

Empty promises

False claims

Appeal to patriotism to reel in the sun demographic.

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By *moothman2000Man 8 weeks ago

Leicestershire


"

Local councils are now taking it into their own hands i.e blackburn and using LOCAL NHS service infrastructure which was perfectly placed to wackamole the killer pandemic virus ......

"

County Councils are far better placed than Central Government to develop the software and processes for track and trace.

They know who their vulnerable population are, know where deprived areas are and are well versed in working with the various cultures in their catchment areas.

They are generally involved with NHS Trusts at ground level and there are already building blocks in place to share cloud based databases with other councils.

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By *s2021Man 8 weeks ago

Birmingham


"Trump does it aswell

Meaningless slogans

Empty promises

False claims

Appeal to patriotism to reel in the sun demographic.

"

I’m convinced Boris has hired some yanks to run his marketing/pr, even going back to the election run in when they were faking their Twitter account to make it look like a fact check account, that was so Trump it was uncanny. Now Boris is proposing daily briefings from a press secretary removing himself from the firing line. The Tories are definitely in bed with Stateside PR.

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