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By *om girl OP Couple (FF)
over a year ago
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Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do... |
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over a year ago
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For the same reason as if you purchased the British army 20,000 tanks it wouldn’t make a difference to its effectiveness as we don’t have the drivers, gunners etc to operate them.
The Nightingale’s issue has always been a lack of specialist staff they need. If you take the London Excel it has 700 ventilated beds, 2000 ward beds... at the peak in April they managed to staff 15 ventilated and 30 standard.
Just as insight a ventilated bed needs: 1-1 care 24 hours from a senior nurse with experience of the ICU environment who are supported by a consultant for the ward with specialist knowledge of critical care. You have to also have an anaesthetist to maintain a patients coma on site at all times plus the backup of radiology and surgical for interventions.
If the Nightingale’s come back into use I suspect they’ll be used as step down facilities as the NW one was used or alternatively offering some form of non covid care to free up space within trusts.
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
Hull |
"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do..."
In reality, it was announced on Thursday, that the Nightingale Hospital in Manchester will be on stream within 2 weeks, to cater for non-Covid patients after they've had surgery or for those requiring monitoring for other illnesses or conditions.
There are plans to do the same with the others around the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So why should the government act like they building hospitals if can’t be used
Isn’t that like false advertisement
So it’s like buying a car with no fuel "
I think there was two thoughts... a demonstration of our “we will overcome” spirit... we built Manchester’s in 7 days and admitted our first patients (3 of them) and then nothing for 4 weeks... it was a PR move on some levels for sure.
There was also the genuine fear of having patients stacked in corridors... in the event where hospitals where literally over flowing they would have provided some level of care admits a catastrophic scenario. The scenes in Lombardy for instance with people on camp beds would have been slightly improved on. |
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"Charlie I think you need to be fabs official medical advisor... also add a touch of glamour to the nursing profession lol."
It's good to have front liners like Charli and kinky couple.. 
Cut straight through the bs.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So was it a waste of millions to build them? That must have known they didn't have enough staff to manage them before starting! "
since when has logic been involved in this total cock up? |
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Sadly many ICU’s don’t have enough staff to run them as it stands today with Covid, never mind if any more shit hits the fan.
All hospitals have surge plans that are kicking in and many are already robbing staff from other departments to support ICU, even though the staff aren’t ICU or nurse trained.
Staff are Covid fatigued, stressed and are suffering from PTSD. Don’t forget, acute services have been dealing with Covid all through the summer, it never went away for some staff.
We are well and truly in the shit if things escalate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read somewhere that they were going to use Army medica, combat medics, doctors and nurses to help as we have some of the best in the world regarding trauma care. Not sure how true it was at the time |
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The same people voted to cut in real-terms the funding for the NHS as well as to stop European non-UK citizens to be able to work in the NHS are now those who you have voted again to manage your health.
The magic money tree has produced £3-£4 billions spent and missing and £12 billions on a privatisation of NHS services for test and trace that is the essential tool to find people who have just got infected and to stop them infecting you and others.
If we insist on doing the wrong things and wasting money to let me virus ravage society and hospital capacity, there's not a thing that we can do to magically recruit and train staff to operate nightingale hospitals.
We get what we focus on and will continue to do the same until we change ourselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Its staffing them that would be the issue.
White elephants just sat there gathering dust.
They could always draught in staff from the military to man them but bet they don't.
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There are nowhere near enough medical staff in the military to staff even one of the Nightingales, let alone all of them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read somewhere that they were going to use Army medica, combat medics, doctors and nurses to help as we have some of the best in the world regarding trauma care. Not sure how true it was at the time "
What use is trauma care in a space dealing with respiratory medicine?
The RAMC ability to help out is tiny... I worked in the NW nightingale and they had within their planning staff to man 70 low dependancy beds within the hospital. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read somewhere that they were going to use Army medica, combat medics, doctors and nurses to help as we have some of the best in the world regarding trauma care. Not sure how true it was at the time "
Battlefield trauma car is a million miles away from the kind of care Covid patients need, unfortunately. Army medics might be more at home in A&E bu even there they are unlikely to see anything resembling battlefield trauma. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sadly many ICU’s don’t have enough staff to run them as it stands today with Covid, never mind if any more shit hits the fan.
All hospitals have surge plans that are kicking in and many are already robbing staff from other departments to support ICU, even though the staff aren’t ICU or nurse trained.
Staff are Covid fatigued, stressed and are suffering from PTSD. Don’t forget, acute services have been dealing with Covid all through the summer, it never went away for some staff.
We are well and truly in the shit if things escalate."
Exactly this... and in Manchester, we are already there |
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"For the same reason as if you purchased the British army 20,000 tanks it wouldn’t make a difference to its effectiveness as we don’t have the drivers, gunners etc to operate them.
The Nightingale’s issue has always been a lack of specialist staff they need. If you take the London Excel it has 700 ventilated beds, 2000 ward beds... at the peak in April they managed to staff 15 ventilated and 30 standard.
Just as insight a ventilated bed needs: 1-1 care 24 hours from a senior nurse with experience of the ICU environment who are supported by a consultant for the ward with specialist knowledge of critical care. You have to also have an anaesthetist to maintain a patients coma on site at all times plus the backup of radiology and surgical for interventions.
If the Nightingale’s come back into use I suspect they’ll be used as step down facilities as the NW one was used or alternatively offering some form of non covid care to free up space within trusts.
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Do people not listen or learn?
Nightingales are not and never were for critical Covid patients, they are really intended as recovery sites for patients who are out of life threatening danger and can be cared for by relatively low trained staff. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do..."
Because at present the hospitals are coping well.
The Nightingale Hospitals will be used when the need arises but that means nurses and doctors will be taken from other duties to run them. That will entail stopping elective surgery and similar non urgent treatments, and until that is required it is better to carry on with such treatment. |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do people not listen or learn?
Nightingales are not and never were for critical Covid patients, they are really intended as recovery sites for patients who are out of life threatening danger and can be cared for by relatively low trained staff. "
Untrue, Manchester was a step down, the rest where primarily ventilated x |
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"It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO."
You can't have a health service with 50% excess capacity. The public would be in uproar.
If you have a 10% surplus it will be filled immediately.
Healthcare always has been and always will be about prioritisation, create more beds you immedy create more patients.
If we dont find a solution then maybe we need to build 10000 new Covid only hospitals and staff them with 10 million extra staff which will take decades and cost trillions then we can live life as we used to knowing there will at least be a hospital bed to die in.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO."
I think you need to check your figures about underfunding by both parties. What tends to happen is that the Tories underfund the NHS over the period they are in power (although by less in the year before an election) and then Labour attempt to make up on that shortfall when they get in power. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO.
You can't have a health service with 50% excess capacity. The public would be in uproar.
If you have a 10% surplus it will be filled immediately.
Healthcare always has been and always will be about prioritisation, create more beds you immedy create more patients.
If we dont find a solution then maybe we need to build 10000 new Covid only hospitals and staff them with 10 million extra staff which will take decades and cost trillions then we can live life as we used to knowing there will at least be a hospital bed to die in.
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It’s not safe to have a health service that functions at more than 85% of capacity, yet we were at more than that pretty much constantly before Covid. |
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"It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO.
I think you need to check your figures about underfunding by both parties. What tends to happen is that the Tories underfund the NHS over the period they are in power (although by less in the year before an election) and then Labour attempt to make up on that shortfall when they get in power."
And then the Tories lambast them for it, they pretty much want it in the hands of their families and friends to milk it dry..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a matter of infrastructure, it is (and always has been) about having the staff to use the infrastructure in it's best possible way.
The Nightingales are (and always have been) a PR stunt, a morale booster if you like. If we cannot staff our current NHS capacity adequately, then there is no way we can use them.
This really does bring into sharp relief the mismanagement and underfunding (by both parties) of the health service in recent years.
IMHO.
I think you need to check your figures about underfunding by both parties. What tends to happen is that the Tories underfund the NHS over the period they are in power (although by less in the year before an election) and then Labour attempt to make up on that shortfall when they get in power.
And then the Tories lambast them for it, they pretty much want it in the hands of their families and friends to milk it dry..
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They’re certainly giving it a good go at the moment, disaster cronyism at it’s finest. |
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"Charlie I think you need to be fabs official medical advisor... also add a touch of glamour to the nursing profession lol.
It's good to have front liners like Charli and kinky couple..
Cut straight through the bs.."
Only just saw this Chorley. Thanks for the vote of confidence 
Charli definitely has more glamour  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital |
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So here's an alternative view. Stop spreading the fucking infection and then we don't need as much covid hospital care....
Local Lock down..? No we don't want to do that...
National lock down? No we don't want to do that...
Don't lock down... What aren't we locking down...
Hospitals filling up... Why haven't we locked down?
It's been mismanaged.... Badly mismanaged...
But its not the government who are spreading it... Its us... And we have the power to stop spreading it. Wouldn't it be great if we worked together to reduce the spread.. Then we wouldn't need additional spaces in hospitals...
And let's hope the NHS staff stay strong.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So was it a waste of millions to build them? That must have known they didn't have enough staff to manage them before starting! "
In truth a lot of early pandemic issues where caused by our traditional national inability to listen or consult with frontliners and gain the detail. Members of KPMG ordering tonnes of the wrong grade PPE as none of their staff have ever spent a minute using the equipment. Ordering 20,000 additional ventilators was classic... it was like purchasing HGV’s for people who have just passed their cycling proficiency badge, none of our medical dads army could use them or find the 4 years of training required.
Conclusions are drawn without detail or clarity, an assumption was made that staff could be borrowed, brought out of retirement etc to cover the beds. Nobody asked the question who of them would have the specialist skill sets that only 2% of the NHS clinical staff have.
It’s nothing new, I remember invading Kosovo with a flak vest which the powers that be had failed to order the corresponding ballistic plates to insert in them. My little squadron of engineers shared out our plates and all had the joyful knowledge that our vital organs had a thin sheet of polyester protecting them to the rear!
It’s not a Tory thing, it’s a very British tradition... we’ve never viewed the common mans experience and insight worth consulting during big decisions.
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By *ye-spyMan
over a year ago
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Maybe someone should do a comparison of how each country handled the virus.
China had a very strict lockdown and are now out of lockdown and Sweden had a very limited lockdown and are now out of it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe someone should do a comparison of how each country handled the virus.
China had a very strict lockdown and are now out of lockdown and Sweden had a very limited lockdown and are now out of it.
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sweden having a bad time now..it cant be used as a comparison for UK |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital"
They really aren't. Medicine is an incredibly complex field with a myriad of specialities. Military doctors train for what they are most likely to be required to treat and that tends to be trauma, not respiratory illness. Yes they will have an idea about it, as all doctors will, but it is not their speciality and as such they will need the supervision of a respiratory specialist from the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe someone should do a comparison of how each country handled the virus.
China had a very strict lockdown and are now out of lockdown and Sweden had a very limited lockdown and are now out of it.
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Sweden are now experiencing record infection levels. |
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"Maybe someone should do a comparison of how each country handled the virus.
China had a very strict lockdown and are now out of lockdown and Sweden had a very limited lockdown and are now out of it.
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Do either of those countries have a buffoon running the show? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The same people voted to cut in real-terms the funding for the NHS as well as to stop European non-UK citizens to be able to work in the NHS are now those who you have voted again to manage your health.
The magic money tree has produced £3-£4 billions spent and missing and £12 billions on a privatisation of NHS services for test and trace that is the essential tool to find people who have just got infected and to stop them infecting you and others.
If we insist on doing the wrong things and wasting money to let me virus ravage society and hospital capacity, there's not a thing that we can do to magically recruit and train staff to operate nightingale hospitals.
We get what we focus on and will continue to do the same until we change ourselves. "
It’s easy to blame a government that is following advice from senior scientists and doctors who are the top of the medical profession when the stats don’t add up and condem anyone that doesn’t agree with them! Also let’s try to remember where this virus originated from, a Communist country that blatantly disregarded the health of the rest of the world !
If that country had taken more responsibility and shut its borders and advised the world to not travel we wouldn’t be in this mess!!
The world has become one where if you disagree you are condemned and victimised, rather than discussing and finding a solution, working together and living as one!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do..."
These places are for people in coma only with no care given |
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God help us! The staff will be people who are about to retire, student doctors in their last year student nurses again in the final year a mixture of fresh legs and years of experience its common seance if you think about it but if you want to play the blame game thats not something you want to hear. |
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"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do...
These places are for people in coma only with no care given"
What utter codswallop. |
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The same people voted to cut in real-terms the funding for the NHS as well as to stop European non-UK citizens to be able to work in the NHS are now those who you have voted again to manage your health.
The magic money tree has produced £3-£4 billions spent and missing and £12 billions on a privatisation of NHS services for test and trace that is the essential tool to find people who have just got infected and to stop them infecting you and others.
If we insist on doing the wrong things and wasting money to let me virus ravage society and hospital capacity, there's not a thing that we can do to magically recruit and train staff to operate nightingale hospitals.
We get what we focus on and will continue to do the same until we change ourselves.
It’s easy to blame a government that is following advice from senior scientists and doctors who are the top of the medical profession when the stats don’t add up and condem anyone that doesn’t agree with them! Also let’s try to remember where this virus originated from, a Communist country that blatantly disregarded the health of the rest of the world !
If that country had taken more responsibility and shut its borders and advised the world to not travel we wouldn’t be in this mess!!
The world has become one where if you disagree you are condemned and victimised, rather than discussing and finding a solution, working together and living as one!!
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How exactly did they follow the advice 2 weeks ago?
What's China being communist got to do with anything? |
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"God help us! The staff will be people who are about to retire, student doctors in their last year student nurses again in the final year a mixture of fresh legs and years of experience its common seance if you think about it but if you want to play the blame game thats not something you want to hear. "
The blame game? Stop spreading the infection and demands on health service go down. That's the one thing we have control over... Whether we choose to follow the rules or whether we choose not to. That's on us.
The other stuff... We can't control. |
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital"
I dont thnk any one is saying they are not trained but traning is diferant and there would just not be enough of them London EXCEL has about 2000 beds so would need at least 4000 top staff and thats with no one geting sick or havin time off or could the army staff do 24hours a day 7 days a week for say 5 months |
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Johnson owns this mess. They’ve had 6 months to prepare the world knew this was coming
Two months lockdown at best more likely end of January.
Yesterday - Johnson one month lockdown
Today - Gove - possibly longer
No deal brexit in 8 weeks with many businesses having been closed for 4/5 months this year and about £500bn of government borrowing to be repaid through taxes and more austerity guaranteed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The same people voted to cut in real-terms the funding for the NHS as well as to stop European non-UK citizens to be able to work in the NHS are now those who you have voted again to manage your health.
The magic money tree has produced £3-£4 billions spent and missing and £12 billions on a privatisation of NHS services for test and trace that is the essential tool to find people who have just got infected and to stop them infecting you and others.
If we insist on doing the wrong things and wasting money to let me virus ravage society and hospital capacity, there's not a thing that we can do to magically recruit and train staff to operate nightingale hospitals.
We get what we focus on and will continue to do the same until we change ourselves.
It’s easy to blame a government that is following advice from senior scientists and doctors who are the top of the medical profession when the stats don’t add up and condem anyone that doesn’t agree with them! Also let’s try to remember where this virus originated from, a Communist country that blatantly disregarded the health of the rest of the world !
If that country had taken more responsibility and shut its borders and advised the world to not travel we wouldn’t be in this mess!!
The world has become one where if you disagree you are condemned and victimised, rather than discussing and finding a solution, working together and living as one!!
How exactly did they follow the advice 2 weeks ago?
What's China being communist got to do with anything?"
It’s where the virus was made and released! What planet have you been living on? It came from Wuhan,and China is a communist country with its own political agenda, sorry but we were all ok before then! Wether it’s two weeks ago or yesterday the government are damned if they listen to the medical experts or damned if they don’t, it all depends on the data presented to them, and if you study the data it doesn’t all add up!! |
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital"
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
X "
Oh and a side note... also know your subject before stating bold facts or suggesting the army trumps the NHS etc, one really obvious issue you seem to be forgetting is the simple fact that 80% of the surgeons, consultants and registrars working within the U.K. forces are Territorials...
In short, they already work for and are currently deployed by the NHS throughout the UKs trusts. |
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
X
Oh and a side note... also know your subject before stating bold facts or suggesting the army trumps the NHS etc, one really obvious issue you seem to be forgetting is the simple fact that 80% of the surgeons, consultants and registrars working within the U.K. forces are Territorials...
In short, they already work for and are currently deployed by the NHS throughout the UKs trusts. "
You're wasted on here. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"Half of them have been dismantled and as it's been said they wouldn't be able to staff them so all in all a gross mismanagement of money by all the government's"
Would you rather they weren't built, but we're desperately needed?
You'd probably be at the front of the line howling "why oh why didn't they build facilities for all this....."
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
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Oh and a side note... also know your subject before stating bold facts or suggesting the army trumps the NHS etc, one really obvious issue you seem to be forgetting is the simple fact that 80% of the surgeons, consultants and registrars working within the U.K. forces are Territorials...
In short, they already work for and are currently deployed by the NHS throughout the UKs trusts.
You're wasted on here. "
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"Half of them have been dismantled and as it's been said they wouldn't be able to staff them so all in all a gross mismanagement of money by all the government's
Would you rather they weren't built, but we're desperately needed?
You'd probably be at the front of the line howling "why oh why didn't they build facilities for all this....."
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I'm sure this question has been asked.
Why build a hospital you cant staff? |
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over a year ago
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"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do...
These places are for people in coma only with no care given
What utter codswallop."
I wouldn't pay too much attention to this pair.
One of them thinks wearing gloves is the perfect way to stop the spread of an airborne respiratory virus.
God give me strength.
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over a year ago
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"Half of them have been dismantled and as it's been said they wouldn't be able to staff them so all in all a gross mismanagement of money by all the government's
Would you rather they weren't built, but we're desperately needed?
You'd probably be at the front of the line howling "why oh why didn't they build facilities for all this....."
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I'm sure this question has been asked.
Why build a hospital you cant staff?"
It's been answered above by someone who lives and breathes this every day.
Much better qualified than me to give you an answer.
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They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period.. |
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"anyone who thinks military docs and medical staff are not train to deal with anything are deluded ..they are trained above and beyond and more than capable of running a hospital
Nobody is knocking the RAMC, they are pioneers in a lot of trauma medicine, limb loss and it’s associated care, they are not however MSF or an organisation with in-depth knowledge of infectious diseases, respiratory illness etc.
The Army whether that’s the RAMC or RAHC are a very square peg in a round hole
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Oh and a side note... also know your subject before stating bold facts or suggesting the army trumps the NHS etc, one really obvious issue you seem to be forgetting is the simple fact that 80% of the surgeons, consultants and registrars working within the U.K. forces are Territorials...
In short, they already work for and are currently deployed by the NHS throughout the UKs trusts. "
and this was my point really the drs in the military are trained the same as because as you stated most are ta and already work in the nhs ...i was not stating the nhs were less ..the nhs is a big part of my working day along with care homes and drs surgeries i see the great work they all do and see plenty of ex army drs at work... |
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"Question if all hospital are near Full Capacity why ain’t they using all Nightingale Hospital
Surly with all those extra Beds free surly that would be the most logical thing to Do..."
Not enough nurses to staff them |
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"Sadly many ICU’s don’t have enough staff to run them as it stands today with Covid, never mind if any more shit hits the fan.
All hospitals have surge plans that are kicking in and many are already robbing staff from other departments to support ICU, even though the staff aren’t ICU or nurse trained.
Staff are Covid fatigued, stressed and are suffering from PTSD. Don’t forget, acute services have been dealing with Covid all through the summer, it never went away for some staff.
We are well and truly in the shit if things escalate.
Exactly this... and in Manchester, we are already there"
Same over here too 
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"They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period.."
The wife is an agency nurse and quite often works 7days a week as staff are short on the ground. Has also been known to be booked at 2 hospitals.
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"They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period.."
Ok Tinkerbell, just pop out of Neverland for a second...
NW Nightingale has just re-opened. It’s treating ZERO covid patients but is providing space for 5 trusts within Manchester to use ward space so they may free up wards within the main hospitals. The trusts are all having to provide their own staff to do so.
In terms of all those agency nurses... our team is currently 8 members down, we have 3 times the patients we should ideally have and can get no agency cover, we have had to borrow a consultant and 3 senior nurses from other departments.
I appreciate tinkerbell has the ability to wave a wand and make everything better but it’s not working, these bold statements are completely untrue and totally unworkable... perhaps consider retraining as a Absynthe fairy, they are all about delusion and being out of ones tree x |
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Frustratingly pretty much everywhere in the NHS is running on a less than full tank. I cant even recruit locums currently or those that are available you wouldn't want anywhere near a sick patient ...even at double the costs of our substantive staff. Its going to be a long winter whatever strategy is employed |
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"They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period..
Ok Tinkerbell, just pop out of Neverland for a second...
NW Nightingale has just re-opened. It’s treating ZERO covid patients but is providing space for 5 trusts within Manchester to use ward space so they may free up wards within the main hospitals. The trusts are all having to provide their own staff to do so.
In terms of all those agency nurses... our team is currently 8 members down, we have 3 times the patients we should ideally have and can get no agency cover, we have had to borrow a consultant and 3 senior nurses from other departments.
I appreciate tinkerbell has the ability to wave a wand and make everything better but it’s not working, these bold statements are completely untrue and totally unworkable... perhaps consider retraining as a Absynthe fairy, they are all about delusion and being out of ones tree x"
It must be really frustrating, dealing with your workload on a daily basis, then having to read all the ill informed, unsubstantiated, fantasy world nonsense people spout on the forums.
Power to you.
Much love, you Angel.
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"They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period.."
There aren't any agency nurses needing work, if they are not working it's because they choose not to. There are currently 44,000+ nurse vacancies in the UK and many of those gaps are being filled by agency nurses already, at a massive cost to the taxpayer because they are so bloody expensive.
I can see that you desperately want there to be a simple solution to the problems we face around Covid but I'm afraid there just isn't one. |
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"They have used them stright away and put covid19 patients in there away from the main hospital, there are enough agency nurses needing work ,why fill up main hospitals when they are needed for the winter period..
There aren't any agency nurses needing work, if they are not working it's because they choose not to. There are currently 44,000+ nurse vacancies in the UK and many of those gaps are being filled by agency nurses already, at a massive cost to the taxpayer because they are so bloody expensive.
I can see that you desperately want there to be a simple solution to the problems we face around Covid but I'm afraid there just isn't one."
Pretty good place to start would be to stop spreading the infection which causes the hospitalisation in the first place..... Oh hang on let's argue about civil rights and how its only flu and politics and blame culture. We have the power to stop spreading this. People are making choices not to. No amount of funding will fix millions of people "exercising their rights" to spread the infection. |
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