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"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall? If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination? I've read that to achieve herd immunity against covid we need 85-95% we are at about 70% currently so still some way short. Will that mean widespread infections will have to take place so that natural immunity can plug the gap? It's clear the vaccine programm is only delivering about 40% of daily jobs compared to what it was doing at the height of its roll out. Like many other countries France been an example are we starting to see the impact of the undecided and the anti vaxxers in the population? A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine. When the French announced there new health pass which comes into effect today and will permit only the fully vaccinated (or those who have had a negative PCR test within 24 hours) to access theatres, cinemas and museums. From August, the pass will be extended to include cafes, shopping centres, restaurants, planes and public transport. Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track. KJ " I think your percentages are out slightly, unless you are including children, but I would not as its inconclusive as to whether they need it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833 So far, more than 46 million people have had a first vaccine dose - almost 90% of the adult population - and more than 36 million - around two-thirds of adults - have had both doses. So by that measure and your statement we have enough single doses for herd immunity and the double doses are well on track. | |||
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"The local numbers are showing over 90% with at least 1 vaccine but this really needs to be replicated throughout the country. The more venues that insist on vaccination the more chance that the numbers will increase." The numbers for herd immunity include children. | |||
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"The local numbers are showing over 90% with at least 1 vaccine but this really needs to be replicated throughout the country. The more venues that insist on vaccination the more chance that the numbers will increase." Agreed. Am pretty sure that is the only way some will get it now. Although if they've been in an ambulance with someone under 40 who can't breathe like i have it rather focusses the mind.... | |||
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"Its pretty clear that the governments strategy is herd immunity via natural infection with vaccination as an bolt on. We have to include children in the numbers needed for herd immunity especially as children and the ones, with younger adults that are catching covid in the biggest numbers at the moment. I always thought the theory that children found it harder to catch than adults a bit suss. " Am not sure that's right, it's because like with some other viral diseases like chicken pox for example, the symptoms and dangers are far less for children than for adults. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " So those clinical trials for the vaccines were made up? Hang on. I'm on a clinical trial for a vaccine. Don't tell me it's another kinky medical sex game. God they're committed, it looks so real  | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " The vaccines that are currently in use have been through the same trial stages as every other vaccine, please check your information because saying they haven't been in trials is completely untrue. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " Link to the 1500 dead figure please? No one is force to take the vaccine. The above statement says nothing about the ops question and is just a wild statement. Back on topic, OP if you are including kids in herd immunity then fine but you can't include there numbers in the percentage vaccinated as it is not recommended for them. As for comments likr we have opted for herd immunity by nature this is not true. Over 90% of those eligible have opted for the vaccine and the second dosers will catch up. That leaves less than 10% who have opted for natural immunity and then the kids. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " You have a choice to agree to have sex with someone without protection. You don't have a choice if someone is sat next to you on a train, unvaxxed, with no mask on. The only similarity is You've no idea who they have been mixing with. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection You have a choice to agree to have sex with someone without protection. You don't have a choice if someone is sat next to you on a train, unvaxxed, with no mask on. The only similarity is You've no idea who they have been mixing with. "  | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Link to the 1500 dead figure please? No one is force to take the vaccine. The above statement says nothing about the ops question and is just a wild statement. Back on topic, OP if you are including kids in herd immunity then fine but you can't include there numbers in the percentage vaccinated as it is not recommended for them. As for comments likr we have opted for herd immunity by nature this is not true. Over 90% of those eligible have opted for the vaccine and the second dosers will catch up. That leaves less than 10% who have opted for natural immunity and then the kids. " Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days..... | |||
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"People are of course correct that we can't keep locking down, we can't keep sending waves at the NHS, we can't keep delaying other medical treatment, we can't have so many children off school. Something has got to give." Absolutely. I think the time has come to ride this out. It will get a lot worse in the upcoming weeks but we cannot keep locking down. My oldest son is in his late 20’s and a lot of his peer group were very anti vaccine believing covid to be no worse than a heavy cold. A lot of them have now contacted it and have done a complete U turn on their opinion. Those that haven’t got it are getting vaccinated. I don’t believe life will return to the normal we knew before the pandemic for a long time ahead if ever but we need to learn to live with and manage covid. | |||
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"People are of course correct that we can't keep locking down, we can't keep sending waves at the NHS, we can't keep delaying other medical treatment, we can't have so many children off school. Something has got to give. Absolutely. I think the time has come to ride this out. It will get a lot worse in the upcoming weeks but we cannot keep locking down. My oldest son is in his late 20’s and a lot of his peer group were very anti vaccine believing covid to be no worse than a heavy cold. A lot of them have now contacted it and have done a complete U turn on their opinion. Those that haven’t got it are getting vaccinated. I don’t believe life will return to the normal we knew before the pandemic for a long time ahead if ever but we need to learn to live with and manage covid." I'm not sure we can afford to let it rip, either. The health system is still struggling - and it's summer - and the long term disability effects are unknown. | |||
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".. Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days....." I am guessing that it is the usual wrong use of stats. So there are cases of people who have died and the reason for their death can be linked to the vaccine. This is indisputable. But the 1500 number often relates to the number of deaths in the population of vaccinated people. Well given that 90% of adults have been vaccinated and you would expect some to die as that is just the natural number. If they picked a random week in 2018 and asked how many people had a sausage, then within a week so many would be dead. They then go ah X dead from eating a sausage. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " That's just nonsense. You may want to review the country that your information relates to, as it's not relevant for the UK. The MHRA grants approval for our medicines and the several covid vaccines have been provided with appropriate approval from them. 
These several approved vaccines all went fully through the standard trial phases that we required, producing satisfactory safety and efficacy results . These results are all freely available in our free society. Several million people were involved in the clinical trials around the world. These vaccines have now been administered in over 3 billion doses . Never before in world history has so much research been undertaken, with so much scrutiny. These billions of treatments have given us record breaking opportunities to research and understand human health so well.
There are untruthful statements that have been published and shared by the millions, that are often done by enemy governments, to destabilise the health and economies of their competitors. Due to the fanzones of the antivax movements, many of the millions of posts are just slightly reworded BS, based on nothing that's in any way truthful.
Overall, this does highlight the importance of sharing information that, as the Advertising Standards Authority states is 'legal, decent, honest and truthful'. We're potentially about to have more significant problem levels again and it's thus so essential that we each take care of others and ourselves, which we can do in part, by just using the scientific evidence that is available via reputable, official sources. | |||
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"The specific threshold level that herd immunity may be achieved at is not a fixed point that never moves. It partly depends on the infectivity of the virus. As the virus gets more infectious, the herd immunity threshold rises. The Delta variant is certainly more infectious, so the theoretical herd immunity point is thus increased, from what it was with earlier variants. I don't know the supply levels of all vaccine types but people will be booked on to 2nd dose schedules that presumed the earlier vaccine delay period between doses and projected availability. It potentially will get harder to get people enrolled, as those who don't commit to dates, due to personal circumstances, such as zero hours job contracts, who had that reason to delay enlisting, aren't much more likely to find predictable availability. People are also very poor evaluators of risks. The most vulnerable over 80s and 70s have had phenomenally high vaccination rates. Younger people who have taken misled to think of it as a disease for older people, who don't get routine annual vaccines like flu, are more out of the system to be reached and viewing themselves as at risk. Students have been displaced from normal term time medical centres, making it harder to reach them. Reaching the ever decreasing minority with many systems, is often much harder per person. There won't be even distribution across the country but vaccination teams won't be too mobile, as many are volunteers. Unfortunately, the enormous power of the millions of antivax messages was active early on and its influences remain. Not all people unvaxed are antivax but there's perhaps a 10% minority of the population in some age groups who are resistant due to ignorance and being misinformed. The summer lowers potentially the numbers of infections, even though the UK is no 3 in the world at present - we'd perhaps be very much worse off, it not in a summer heatwave. The NHS is under strain and infection levels are going to get worse in all likelihood, Steps that may encourage take up, such as essential covid passports coming, will shift some towards getting it. Perhaps the government will introduce more things that will encourage take up as an aside from the activities done. It's probably wiser now to think of herd immunity as needing 90%+" I've read due to the delta that we really need to aim for 90% of the total population vaccinated. To answer an earlier poster yes that includes children. Many countries are starting to explore children been vaccinated including us. We decided to do vunerable children aged 12-17 for now and will revisit expanding that if needed. It's well known 2 jabs are needed to really deal with the delta variant now so my original post was for fully vaccinated i.e. 2 jabs and total population percentages including children. 90% 1st jab is great and better than many countries take up but broken down its 95% in the elderly and as low as 65% in the lowest age group, granted they haven't had as long to get vaccinated yet. There's an argument that if every adult was vaccinated then we might just hit herd immunity without vaccinating children. However is 10% of adults decided not to be vaccinated then herd immunity via vaccine alone is highly unlikely, unless children are also vaccinated to close the needed percentage gap. KJ | |||
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"Are they running out of the ones they can give to youngsters?" I wonder if that's a factor as well | |||
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"Are they running out of the ones they can give to youngsters? I wonder if that's a factor as well" That's a really good point. KJ | |||
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"The numbers will go up once people start wanting to do things they can't as they've not had a vaccine. I was working a walk-in covid clinic a few weeks ago and had a lot of over 40s coming in. They had declined when they were invited but now want to go on holiday and realised other countries won't accept them without the vaccine so have changed their minds. " I hope the NHS gets my record straight before I want to do things  | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " Utter rubbish , | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection You have a choice to agree to have sex with someone without protection. You don't have a choice if someone is sat next to you on a train, unvaxxed, with no mask on. The only similarity is You've no idea who they have been mixing with. " Putting the mask variable to one side - In that scenario the unvaccinated person on the train is more likely to be the one at higher risk as they lack protection. The vaccinated person can still carry the virus and transmit it but they have a substantially reduced chance of becoming seriously ill. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here." After that, you should look up the pitfalls of a passive reporting system. In the US version of the yellow card system, someone claimed a vaccination turned them into the Incredible Hulk. It's very common for some groups to take these passive reporting systems as gospel, when in reality they need to be examined closely to find the difference between correlation and causation. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here." Number of UK suspected deaths related to thrombo-embolic events with concurrent thrombocytopenia ADR reports received for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is 74. Deaths today within 28 days of a positive covid test...73 There has been 31 suspected AZ related deaths in the under 50s. There has been over 1700 covid deaths in the under 45s... However you interpret the yellow card reporting, the vaccine is safer than the virus. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. "
I think that's barbaric. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " Wow! | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people  | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " Simple? - more like the final solution-. France has shown being vaccine hesitant does’nt mean that ultimately mean you won’t take the vaccine - you just need the right incentive to do so . | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here." The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " Polite suggestion... Research the rules of ethics doctors and other medical staff swear to abide by. Maybe start with the Hippocratic Oath of ye olde times. Once you've clued yourself up on the facts may I, again politely, suggest you re-read your comment. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " So what your saying is all over weight people should be depraved of treatment for any disease related to being over weight. All smokers should never recieved treatment for smoking related illnesses. All people that have unprotected sex sex shouldn't get any medicines for STI/STDs. What a stupid idea. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. " Dumbest Comment of the Week Award - Yes folks, I think we have us a winner right here!  | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So what your saying is all over weight people should be depraved of treatment for any disease related to being over weight. All smokers should never recieved treatment for smoking related illnesses. All people that have unprotected sex sex shouldn't get any medicines for STI/STDs. What a stupid idea. " No i specifically said covid. Are there jabs for "being overweight, smoking related illness, or preventable sti's" No there isnt. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people "No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking. Silly comparison. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. " Always some spoilsport who reads the small print!! | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. Always some spoilsport who reads the small print!!" I know, fancy reading something that isn't just a ridiculously unbelievable headline! Silly me.  | |||
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"I did a clinic this morning. It was mainly second vaccines, some firsts and this is simply because most people who want a first have had it already. Some of the very large mass vaccine centres are being wound down or running lower capacity as venues are starting to return to their original purpose. This morning, I no break in my shift at all, I didn't go to the loo etc and had a constant flow of people coming in. Felt busy enough " | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison."Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc. "Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!! | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here." Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across! | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across! "I’m very surprised!! I thought most here would be very liberal and judgemental attitudes would be rare. Really not the case! | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!"Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist. Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone. I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”  | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across! " this!
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"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall? If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination? I've read that to achieve herd immunity against covid we need 85-95% we are at about 70% currently so still some way short. Will that mean widespread infections will have to take place so that natural immunity can plug the gap? It's clear the vaccine programm is only delivering about 40% of daily jobs compared to what it was doing at the height of its roll out. Like many other countries France been an example are we starting to see the impact of the undecided and the anti vaxxers in the population? A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine. When the French announced there new health pass which comes into effect today and will permit only the fully vaccinated (or those who have had a negative PCR test within 24 hours) to access theatres, cinemas and museums. From August, the pass will be extended to include cafes, shopping centres, restaurants, planes and public transport. Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track. KJ " wht the prob stop puting down people who decline the jab if you believe in it you are protected from the so called virus hiting you hard Itd the unvaxed who may be at risk do why all the fuss Because it dont matter how many people dont have it because if u have had 2 jabs thou can still pass it on. !!***** | |||
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"Only 35k 1st Jabs + 143k 2nd Jabs yesterday - is the vaccine program starting to hit the antivaxers brick wall? If so and it turns out 25% of people in the UK adult population decline the vaccine will we miss the targets scientists have said we need for Herd Immunity through vaccination? I've read that to achieve herd immunity against covid we need 85-95% we are at about 70% currently so still some way short. Will that mean widespread infections will have to take place so that natural immunity can plug the gap? It's clear the vaccine programm is only delivering about 40% of daily jobs compared to what it was doing at the height of its roll out. Like many other countries France been an example are we starting to see the impact of the undecided and the anti vaxxers in the population? A lot of other countries are using a mix of vaccine passport restrictions and even prize incentives to try get people to take up the vaccine. When the French announced there new health pass which comes into effect today and will permit only the fully vaccinated (or those who have had a negative PCR test within 24 hours) to access theatres, cinemas and museums. From August, the pass will be extended to include cafes, shopping centres, restaurants, planes and public transport. Apparently the majority of French public support this and its seen a huge surge in vaccine take getting the french vaccine program bsck on track. KJ " hasn’t 20% at least of the population had covid already. ?????? | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " Wrong. So so wrong on so look many levels. I don't know where to start. E | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!
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Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal "the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring You're welcome. E | |||
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".. Maybe she meant 1500 people with dead arms? I know mine was sore for a couple of days..... I am guessing that it is the usual wrong use of stats. So there are cases of people who have died and the reason for their death can be linked to the vaccine. This is indisputable. But the 1500 number often relates to the number of deaths in the population of vaccinated people. Well given that 90% of adults have been vaccinated and you would expect some to die as that is just the natural number. If they picked a random week in 2018 and asked how many people had a sausage, then within a week so many would be dead. They then go ah X dead from eating a sausage. " Yep the old correlation versus causation debate. You would have thought people would have this figured out by now. Of course what we should be calling for is a ban on ice cream. You wouldn't believe how many of the people who drown have had an ice cream in the previous 24 hour. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!
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Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to."Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice * vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business. * vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures. * choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice * discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights. *if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!
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Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to.
Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice
* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.
* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.
* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice
* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.
*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices. "I couldn’t agree more starting to force people to take something they don’t want to by taking away their liberty is a very slippery slope. | |||
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" Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to.
Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice
* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.
* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.
* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice
* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.
*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices. " | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. " I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned." Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion. | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned." I haven't heard anyone say that masks should be banned. I've heard many say that their compulsory use should be banned. Very different things! | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned." so it’s ok to just say there’s a few bad apples in one certain section of society that that means they are all the same and that we can use one term to describe them all???? | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned." freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not breed hatred or result in bullying in my opinion. | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion. " | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion. "But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist."I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life. I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off. I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort. I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont. No need for name calling from anyone | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not breed hatred or result in bullying in my opinion. " What, like saying that people are too stupid to see an obvious conspiracy, that they've doomed themselves to a premature death by taking things that are clearly unproven, and that they pose a threat to the unvaccinated? That people are so afraid that they're hiding, incontinent, behind their sofas, and that they should look up the obvious conspiracy but no, we won't tell you how? I think that's pretty unpleasant, but if you want to slag me off for being vaccinated and not agreeing with you (because what I've just said is based on the "wake up sheeple" script) then I respect your freedom of expression
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.
I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.
I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.
I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.
I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.
No need for name calling from anyone "And the argument here is whether or not speech should be punished... | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.
I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.
I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.
I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.
I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.
No need for name calling from anyone
And the argument here is whether or not speech should be punished..."Free speech shouldn’t be punished - although I’d like derogatory terms to become a thing of the past. Free choice with regards to body autonomy shouldn’t be punished - including via the back door with restrictions on those who aren’t vaccinated. I’m all for freedom for all, vaccinated or not | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.
I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.
I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.
I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.
I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.
No need for name calling from anyone
And the argument here is whether or not speech should be punished...
Free speech shouldn’t be punished - although I’d like derogatory terms to become a thing of the past.
Free choice with regards to body autonomy shouldn’t be punished - including via the back door with restrictions on those who aren’t vaccinated.
I’m all for freedom for all, vaccinated or not "And freedom for the medically vulnerable to return to their lives without undue risk? | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.
I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.
I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.
I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.
I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.
No need for name calling from anyone
And the argument here is whether or not speech should be punished...
Free speech shouldn’t be punished - although I’d like derogatory terms to become a thing of the past.
Free choice with regards to body autonomy shouldn’t be punished - including via the back door with restrictions on those who aren’t vaccinated.
I’m all for freedom for all, vaccinated or not
And freedom for the medically vulnerable to return to their lives without undue risk?"Yep, but it’s difficult isn’t it. We previously killed lots of vulnerable folks with our respiratory germs, breathing all over them in supermarkets etc. They have always been at risk, this isn’t new. Having worked on a children’s respiratory ward (pre covid), this has always been an issue. Lots caught bugs on public transport, at school, in shops etc - and died. Only now that covid is here and all over the media, are people paying attention. Covid is one of many things that kills this group. I bet a lot of the people who talk about the vulnerable (which they should!) didn’t wear masks before covid around these people? They were still dying before. Visit a CF kids ward, thats a wake up call, believe me. These kids have been catching our respiratory bugs for years! So to protect this group there would need to be LOTS of changes made, big changes! Forever, not just for covid. | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. I think freedom of speech is important. While calling everyone who is not vaccinated an antivaxxer is inaccurate, there are some who are clearly antivaxxers. That's not bullying, that's truth. Some people do think that stopping all vaccination will save the world - and use alternatives such as bleach (MMS - look it up). I also find it interesting that those most going on about freedom want to squash other people's freedom of expression or even action - such as the protestors on Monday saying that masks should be banned. Correct, some people are “anti vaccination” the issue arises when everyone who has declined this particular vaccination is branded as such. I’ve been called an anti vaxxer because I have declined. The ironic thing is that as an nhs clinician, I’ve likely had more vaccinations than the person slinging the names at me! It’s just not useful and it is a derogatory term in my opinion.
But banning the term, rather than challenging the assumption, is removing freedom of speech, is it not?
I'm not calling anyone an antivaxxer. I'm just saying that these people clearly exist.
I’m not saying ban it. People call each other a whole plethora or horrid terms and it’s unfortunately part of life.
I just don’t think it brings anything to the discussion for either party and once used, I just switch off.
I just think it’s bandied about when the person has nothing intelligent to retort.
I personally think if you want it, get it, if you don’t, dont.
No need for name calling from anyone
And the argument here is whether or not speech should be punished...
Free speech shouldn’t be punished - although I’d like derogatory terms to become a thing of the past.
Free choice with regards to body autonomy shouldn’t be punished - including via the back door with restrictions on those who aren’t vaccinated.
I’m all for freedom for all, vaccinated or not
And freedom for the medically vulnerable to return to their lives without undue risk?
Yep, but it’s difficult isn’t it. We previously killed lots of vulnerable folks with our respiratory germs, breathing all over them in supermarkets etc. They have always been at risk, this isn’t new.
Having worked on a children’s respiratory ward (pre covid), this has always been an issue.
Lots caught bugs on public transport, at school, in shops etc - and died.
Only now that covid is here and all over the media, are people paying attention.
Covid is one of many things that kills this group. I bet a lot of the people who talk about the vulnerable (which they should!) didn’t wear masks before covid around these people? They were still dying before. Visit a CF kids ward, thats a wake up call, believe me. These kids have been catching our respiratory bugs for years!
So to protect this group there would need to be LOTS of changes made, big changes! Forever, not just for covid.
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. " I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. " just want to say well done for speaking out im not against vachines but not had covid one as don't want to be a guinny pig its not been tested as safe it still in trials let's see how many die from the jab but you will never know because tree gov will hide the nos into covid cases do well done my friend glat to see some one not brainwashed by gov and media saw a clip yesterfday that spainish scientist found high amouns of grafite a poison in the vax | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!
Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.
Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.
I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer” "Well you clearly cherry picked what i said and missed the "or other reason"!!!! | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. Are you really surprised? This has always been the most judgemental place I've ever come across!
this!
Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to."The yellow card scheme website states the following: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. The risk of the vaccines killing you is tiny. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. " If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. " Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? " Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. " I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban " Are people taking those figures and lying about them? | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? " I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? | |||
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" Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? " Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that at all, anyone purposely lying about data should be punished. | |||
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" Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that at all, anyone purposely lying about data should be punished. " Agreed | |||
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" Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that at all, anyone purposely lying about data should be punished. Agreed " If you suspect someone is lying ask them for their source. The ONS has information on long covid. | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!
Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.
Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.
I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”
Well you clearly cherry picked what i said and missed the "or other reason"!!!!"Ah, so people with “other reasons” shouldn’t be “dealt with” by the nhs either then? Do you mean medical exemption for example? You used it along with anti vaxxers in a sentence with a negative connotation, hence my comment | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!
Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.
Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.
I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”
Well you clearly cherry picked what i said and missed the "or other reason"!!!!
Ah, so people with “other reasons” shouldn’t be “dealt with” by the nhs either then? Do you mean medical exemption for example?
You used it along with anti vaxxers in a sentence with a negative connotation, hence my comment "Take your own advice and read previous comments regarding medical exemptions. (You cant use the green arrow, but scroll feature should do the trick) | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!
Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.
Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.
I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”
Well you clearly cherry picked what i said and missed the "or other reason"!!!!
Ah, so people with “other reasons” shouldn’t be “dealt with” by the nhs either then? Do you mean medical exemption for example?
You used it along with anti vaxxers in a sentence with a negative connotation, hence my comment
Take your own advice and read previous comments regarding medical exemptions. (You cant use the green arrow, but scroll feature should do the trick)"Ok honey, you take care | |||
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"Simple solution, those that dont want a jab that the nhs recommends (excluding medical related) should be declined covid medical treatment if they require it. So should all smokers be denied lung cancer treatment? Should anyone who drinks over the government advised weekly unit limit for alcohol be denied treatment if they have liver issues? That’s a pretty bleak outlook for most people
No they shouldn't, but are there jabs available for those issues you mentioned to prevent you getting seriously ill from smoking or drinking.
Silly comparison.
Agreed but your initial comment still sucks my friend. Duty of care and all that regardless etc.
Shouldn't every single person have a duty of care when it comes to covid? Why allow the nhs to deal with it when they have offered preventable help to people who then refuse it because of some stupid conspiracy or other reason!!
Not everyone who has declined is a conspiracy theorist.
Sweeping statements like this don’t help anyone.
I’ve refused (for valid reasons that I’ve described on here and won’t again, green arrow if you’re interested) and I’m certainly no “anti vaxxer/tinfoil hat wearer”
Well you clearly cherry picked what i said and missed the "or other reason"!!!!
Ah, so people with “other reasons” shouldn’t be “dealt with” by the nhs either then? Do you mean medical exemption for example?
You used it along with anti vaxxers in a sentence with a negative connotation, hence my comment
Take your own advice and read previous comments regarding medical exemptions. (You cant use the green arrow, but scroll feature should do the trick)
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? " Here is a like directly to the ons long covid figures have a read for yourself and see what you think? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1july2021 I don't think people are scaremongering with the figures you have stated seeing posted | |||
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"Google UK Gov Yellow Card. The figures are there for the vast disbelief of those on this site, Government's own web site. Probably still won't believe the vast numbers of how many are effected from having the Vaccine and still call people Anti Vaxers. For a swinger's group it's a surprise how many judgmentale people are here. The yellow card scheme website itself states: Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness. It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines. I agree many of the yellow card reports can not be viewed as proven but it appears the government want it both ways. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test from any cause are all regarded as covid deaths for the figures. Coincidental doesn't get a mention and considering the average age of a covid death is over 82 years and the life expectancy in the UK is around 81 years I think coincidental becomes very relevant. Yes covid can be a contributing factor but so could many other diseases that wouldn't get a mention. It should also be considered that it's estimated maybe only 10% of any side effects are being reported via the yellow card system so although the majority of side effects will be minor the more significant side effects may be many more. If someone had significant side effects that required treatment, it's likely their doctor would report it to the yellow card scheme so therefore it's more likely that those not reported are minor side effects. People using the yellow card scheme data as conclusive proof the vaccines are dangerous are spreading crap in order to suit their agenda, what they are saying is simply not true. The site itself even says that. 'Oh, I'm going to use this data to scare people even those the data isn't even what I'm saying it is'. It's totally wrong and imo those people should receive a ban for spreading complete crap. There are people refusing the vaccines, even though they are vulnerable, because of bullshit like this. Where do you propose to ban ‘those people’ from - The yellow card scheme? Fab or Life in general? Oh behave, I mean the fab forums. You can't ban them from life, don't be ridiculous. I’d be fine with that if those pushing the long Covid numbers received the same ban Are people taking those figures and lying about them? I’ve seen numbers from 60k to 2m published on here used as data to scare people. Are you saying that’s ok? Here is a like directly to the ons long covid figures have a read for yourself and see what you think? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1july2021 I don't think people are scaremongering with the figures you have stated seeing posted" ‘The estimates presented in this analysis relate to self-reported long COVID, as experienced by study participants who responded to a representative survey, rather than clinically diagnosed ongoing symptomatic COVID-19 or post-COVID-19 syndrome in the full population’. So no different to the yellow card scheme then. I don’t actually care about either sets of numbers - I was merely pointing out the ridiculous state of tribalism we’ve ended up at where people are happy to have 100% faith in one set of figures that suit their narrative and be equally dismissive of another set that doesn’t | |||
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" Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to.
Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice
* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.
* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.
* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice
* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.
*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices.
"Cool.. I am a defender of “choice” … and in the real world your choices have “consequences”… See what I am hearing from people who don’t want to take the vaccine (notice I have differentiated “don’t” from “can’t”) is that you want your liberty of choice but without the repercussions….. If not having the jab means you miss out on going abroad or miss out on other things, I have zero issues with that!… life is full of choices, some choice make more of a difference than others No one is making you take it and if this the line you will not cross then so be it! Basically… you want your cake and eat it…life doesn’t work like that | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. just want to say well done for speaking out im not against vachines but not had covid one as don't want to be a guinny pig its not been tested as safe it still in trials let's see how many die from the jab but you will never know because tree gov will hide the nos into covid cases do well done my friend glat to see some one not brainwashed by gov and media saw a clip yesterfday that spainish scientist found high amouns of grafite a poison in the vax " https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring You're welcome. E | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection " Has it bollox killed 1500 people | |||
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"And I think anyone who uses the term anti vaxcer to describe a unvaccinated person should be fined. It’s a choice for some and for others they have no option other than not than to have it. So please don’t use it it’s nothing but a bullying term. Get vaccinated and job done go about your business leave others alone. If your vaccinated your safe so why even start these threads. just want to say well done for speaking out im not against vachines but not had covid one as don't want to be a guinny pig its not been tested as safe it still in trials let's see how many die from the jab but you will never know because tree gov will hide the nos into covid cases do well done my friend glat to see some one not brainwashed by gov and media saw a clip yesterfday that spainish scientist found high amouns of grafite a poison in the vax " That bloody Banksy gets everywhere | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people "yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone. | |||
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" Since the start of covid any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative is squashed like a Tory scandal the yellow card stuff is very scary indeed. It’s amazing the amount of information the government and I wide selection of the population choose to ignore. What I hate about this is the go get vaccinated put your life at risk to protect others ( I mean what the actual fuck ). So if I die from having the vaccine that’s OK I did it for a good cause. I mean I basically had my freedoms taken away for 18 months to protect the vulnerable now you want me to risk my life to.
Agreed with the terminology. It’s bullying, intimidation and threatening to force people to make a medical choice
* vaccination is a medical choice. It’s the individuals choice. Non of my business.
* vaccinated people still spread (case on point - 1 person (non symptomatic) took 5 out at work - all double jabbed; 2 got very sick. Look at hospital figures.
* choose not to meet non vacc people is your choice
* discriminatory practice of eliminate people’s lifestyle choices based on jab / no jab is wrong. Human rights here. Yes, the individuals rights.
*if you’re jabbed, get on with your life and mind your business. No one should have to explain their choices.
Cool.. I am a defender of “choice” … and in the real world your choices have “consequences”…
See what I am hearing from people who don’t want to take the vaccine (notice I have differentiated “don’t” from “can’t”) is that you want your liberty of choice but without the repercussions…..
If not having the jab means you miss out on going abroad or miss out on other things, I have zero issues with that!… life is full of choices, some choice make more of a difference than others
No one is making you take it and if this the line you will not cross then so be it!
Basically… you want your cake and eat it…life doesn’t work like that "no so you miss a point here choice at that point is being removed. The consequences of the action here for not having the jab would be that you may possibly at some stage get covid. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone. "Any proof? Any reputable links? | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links?"yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info. "‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section ‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’ | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’"I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood. 
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"Anti vaxers and covid deniers " Vaccine pushers and covid obsessed None of these are my terms (including the first two btw) but all are frequently found on social media and don’t help anyone. Two sides to every coin | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E"I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!' | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'"But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly. If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right. If people want the vaccination, that’s their right. It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly.
If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right.
If people want the vaccination, that’s their right.
It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body "shhhh people aint allowed a opposite opinion from the vax cheerleaders on here,btw im double jabbed but never in a million years would i think of telling anyone what they should or shouldnt put in there bodys | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly.
If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right.
If people want the vaccination, that’s their right.
It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body "That's the thing though, without a high enough rate of people accepting the vaccines, we are stuck in this cycle of having spikes of cases, which is going to increase the likelihood of more lockdowns. Their choice is negatively affecting millions of people, in a very dramatic way. They are choosing not to contribute to the safety of society, in fact, the entire world. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly.
If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right.
If people want the vaccination, that’s their right.
It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body
That's the thing though, without a high enough rate of people accepting the vaccines, we are stuck in this cycle of having spikes of cases, which is going to increase the likelihood of more lockdowns. Their choice is negatively affecting millions of people, in a very dramatic way. They are choosing not to contribute to the safety of society, in fact, the entire world. "what a load of bull. 87% of the adult population is jabbed and 69% double jabbed. The problem is not the unvaccinated. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'"Well........ I didn't like to say so.
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
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I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'"the problem is that there is also a risk to taking the vaccine that you may not be aware of until you take it. That’s why we have choices. Oddly we say that 128k people have died of covid with in 28 days of testing positive but again most if not the majority of them had underline health issues and where already above the age for life expectancy for this country. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly.
If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right.
If people want the vaccination, that’s their right.
It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body
That's the thing though, without a high enough rate of people accepting the vaccines, we are stuck in this cycle of having spikes of cases, which is going to increase the likelihood of more lockdowns. Their choice is negatively affecting millions of people, in a very dramatic way. They are choosing not to contribute to the safety of society, in fact, the entire world.
what a load of bull. 87% of the adult population is jabbed and 69% double jabbed. The problem is not the unvaccinated."Ok.....in your humble opinion, if the unvaccinated people aren't the problem, who is? E | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced " Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced " I posted this link the last time you made that comment, guessing you logged out and didn't see it. No problem sharing it again for you. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring You're welcome. E | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read?" they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
But it is their right. Rightly or wrongly.
If people want to risk being ill, that’s their right.
If people want the vaccination, that’s their right.
It’s no one else’s business what anyone else chooses to do with their own body
That's the thing though, without a high enough rate of people accepting the vaccines, we are stuck in this cycle of having spikes of cases, which is going to increase the likelihood of more lockdowns. Their choice is negatively affecting millions of people, in a very dramatic way. They are choosing not to contribute to the safety of society, in fact, the entire world.
what a load of bull. 87% of the adult population is jabbed and 69% double jabbed. The problem is not the unvaccinated.
Ok.....in your humble opinion, if the unvaccinated people aren't the problem, who is?
E"no person is the problem. The problem lies within covid itself. I’m am not against the vaccine I am against people being forced in to it bullied by those who don’t agree with them and the misinformation we are given about the vaccine and covid. | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. " That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
Well........ I didn't like to say so.
E"your told not to smoke but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands cost millions, your told not to drink but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands costs millions just a couple of examples right there. Bet you don’t want them removed from everybody. When did we go back in time and become a nazi state where your not allowed to think and do for yourself ???? | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html" it’s still will not know the full side effects until 2023 once it has been in use for a longer period of time. | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html it’s still will not know the full side effects until 2023 once it has been in use for a longer period of time. " But the argument is that no studies have been done and approval is impossible until 2023. So... This is incorrect, yes? | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!' the problem is that there is also a risk to taking the vaccine that you may not be aware of until you take it. That’s why we have choices. Oddly we say that 128k people have died of covid with in 28 days of testing positive but again most if not the majority of them had underline health issues and where already above the age for life expectancy for this country. "You do realize that over half the UK adult population is listed as either obese or overweight right? Which is considered to be an underlying health condition. As is diabetes, any form of cancer, anyone with a transplant etc etc. An awful lot of the population is considered to be a higher risk. And downing Vitamin D pills, eating only organic food and losing weight takes time..... | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html it’s still will not know the full side effects until 2023 once it has been in use for a longer period of time. But the argument is that no studies have been done and approval is impossible until 2023. So... This is incorrect, yes?" no the argument is that it is still in trial period till 2023 it has been approved to use while actually still in trial. The outcome of which will not be known till 2023 | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html it’s still will not know the full side effects until 2023 once it has been in use for a longer period of time. But the argument is that no studies have been done and approval is impossible until 2023. So... This is incorrect, yes? no the argument is that it is still in trial period till 2023 it has been approved to use while actually still in trial. The outcome of which will not be known till 2023" so therefore people should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not | |||
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"There have never been a proper clinical trial is 2023 before its fully licenced Oh? Then why did Pfizer announce the results of its phase 3 clinical trial in adults in November 2020? Why is the paper online and available to read? they can publish there findings for less than a years worth of trial they will not know the outcome of possible side effects till at least 2023. The covid vaccine has been around less than a year. That's fascinating, given that Pfizer expects to receive full US approval in 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/health/pfizer-biontech-fda-approval-bla-vaccine/index.html it’s still will not know the full side effects until 2023 once it has been in use for a longer period of time. But the argument is that no studies have been done and approval is impossible until 2023. So... This is incorrect, yes? no the argument is that it is still in trial period till 2023 it has been approved to use while actually still in trial. The outcome of which will not be known till 2023 so therefore people should be allowed to choose to be vaccinated or not " If you count phase 4 (post marketing safety monitoring) as trial, then I suppose, although above it was claimed no studies have been done. This data is based on the US FDA, Pfizer. You argued that vaccines could not be fully approved until 2023. Fortunately the US FDA (because consistency in sources is vital in these claims) looks likely to fully approve Pfizer in 2022. If you believe that this means they are untested and unlicensed, then you do you. Vaccination is not mandatory - you just can't work in care in England, and it looks like won't be able to frequent the night time industry come September. But all choices have upsides and downsides. You can still choose not to be vaccinated. | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology." yet im double jabbed but if i want to take part in society again i have to wave my little vax card around to be allowed into places yet earlier on in all this we were told there wont be a vax passport to get back to normal,there now just making iy up as they go,hopefully will be voted down when the time comes | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology." lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society " And don’t let smokers access health services. And don’t let the obese have access to fast food. And don’t the unemployed access benefits until they have some work. And don’t let alcoholics access healthcare, same goes for drug addicts. And so on... | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
Well........ I didn't like to say so.
E
your told not to smoke but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands cost millions, your told not to drink but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands costs millions just a couple of examples right there. Bet you don’t want them removed from everybody. When did we go back in time and become a nazi state where your not allowed to think and do for yourself ???? "That's a wholly unequal equivalence. You can't catch cancer from another human being. You can't catch being an alcoholic by standing next to one. Covid as we know spreads like wildfire. I can choose to smoke, or not smoke. I can choose to drink, or not drink. I can't choose not to catch Covid. I can't choose not to pass Covid on or spread it around my community. The comparisons used to support a view get dafter by the day. The Nazi state comment doesn't bare considering, it's so utterley ridiculous. E | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society " I'm fairly sure that happens | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society I'm fairly sure that happens" does it???? Children still go school, people still have homes use NHS and so on. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
Well........ I didn't like to say so.
E
your told not to smoke but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands cost millions, your told not to drink but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands costs millions just a couple of examples right there. Bet you don’t want them removed from everybody. When did we go back in time and become a nazi state where your not allowed to think and do for yourself ????
That's a wholly unequal equivalence.
You can't catch cancer from another human being. You can't catch being an alcoholic by standing next to one.
Covid as we know spreads like wildfire.
I can choose to smoke, or not smoke. I can choose to drink, or not drink.
I can't choose not to catch Covid. I can't choose not to pass Covid on or spread it around my community.
The comparisons used to support a view get dafter by the day.
The Nazi state comment doesn't bare considering, it's so utterley ridiculous.
E"no it’s not you want to remove people’s freedoms due to their choices ( and in some cases their they are not even able to have a vaccine ) | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
Any proof? Any reputable links? yes it’s in the goverment website along with all the other info.
‘Directly killed’ doesn’t seem to be the case, quote from government’s yellow card reporting under fatality section
‘The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported.
Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.’
I don't understand how something that's so plainly written can be so wildly miss understood.
E
I don't think it's misunderstood, I think it's purposely twisted to fit the agenda of demonising the vaccines, for what purpose, I have no idea. 'Here's a vaccine that could save your life, prevent lifelong disabilities and stop you becoming seriously ill', 'No, fuck you, I don't want to take it, I'd rather risk death and disability than than do something I'm told to do for my own safety, MY RIGHTS!'
Well........ I didn't like to say so.
E
your told not to smoke but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands cost millions, your told not to drink but it’s your right so you do so kills thousands costs millions just a couple of examples right there. Bet you don’t want them removed from everybody. When did we go back in time and become a nazi state where your not allowed to think and do for yourself ????
That's a wholly unequal equivalence.
You can't catch cancer from another human being. You can't catch being an alcoholic by standing next to one.
Covid as we know spreads like wildfire.
I can choose to smoke, or not smoke. I can choose to drink, or not drink.
I can't choose not to catch Covid. I can't choose not to pass Covid on or spread it around my community.
The comparisons used to support a view get dafter by the day.
The Nazi state comment doesn't bare considering, it's so utterley ridiculous.
E no it’s not you want to remove people’s freedoms due to their choices ( and in some cases their they are not even able to have a vaccine ) "There are exemptions in place for those medically excused vaccinations. Freedom of choice does not come with freedom of consequence. Some people want their cake and eat it. Life does not work like that. Never had, never will. Don't want the vaccine? Fine, don't have it. Don't cry because you can't do the things vaccinated people can. E | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society I'm fairly sure that happens does it???? Children still go school, people still have homes use NHS and so on. " While exactly are you talking about? If you dont pay tax you face legal action Unless you are very rich of couse. | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society I'm fairly sure that happens does it???? Children still go school, people still have homes use NHS and so on. While exactly are you talking about? If you dont pay tax you face legal action Unless you are very rich of couse." or don’t work | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society I'm fairly sure that happens does it???? Children still go school, people still have homes use NHS and so on. While exactly are you talking about? If you dont pay tax you face legal action Unless you are very rich of couse. or don’t work " So if you are made redundant you lose your job and your children cant be educated? | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology. lock up the non taxpayers, don’t let those who don’t pay taxes have any part in society I'm fairly sure that happens does it???? Children still go school, people still have homes use NHS and so on. While exactly are you talking about? If you dont pay tax you face legal action Unless you are very rich of couse. or don’t work So if you are made redundant you lose your job and your children cant be educated?" well you appear to think it’s ok to take people’s rights away | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? " same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet " Is having a bad diet contagious? | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet Is having a bad diet contagious?" choice and cost us millions | |||
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"End furlough now .. right now.. completely Its ridiculous in this day and age that there's isn't an IT system that can put a secure marker against your CHI number with the NHS that you have had the covid vaccine and that part of the systems available via some kind of secure app by be agencies and companies than need to see your vac status. People who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as those who have taken the incredibly tiny risk to protect themselves and in doing so contributing to the overall wider health status of a population. If you contribute to society you deserve to enjoy freedoms. If you don't why should you ? Anti vaxers need educated on biology.yet im double jabbed but if i want to take part in society again i have to wave my little vax card around to be allowed into places yet earlier on in all this we were told there wont be a vax passport to get back to normal,there now just making iy up as they go,hopefully will be voted down when the time comes" Things change. | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet " true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab | |||
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"If people are that worried about it they can choose to stay indoors and let others get on with their lives vaccinated or unvaccinated. No one should have anything forced on them or rights removed due to their choice " Or, the unvaccinated can accept they will face restrictions. | |||
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"Freedim of choice the vax is a untrialed unlicense vax its killed in the uk 1500 people and harmed another million you can find these figurs on the governments own web site . After the second World War the trials at Nuremberg it was writen in law that no vax or drugs would be forsed on to any man woman or child . And just as a foot note H.I.V is still a big killer and how many on her fuck with out protection Has it bollox killed 1500 people yes it has directly killed 1500 people in this country alone.
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"If people are that worried about it they can choose to stay indoors and let others get on with their lives vaccinated or unvaccinated. No one should have anything forced on them or rights removed due to their choice " So we have two groups of people. One, people who are or might be medically vulnerable through no fault of their own. Two, people who choose not to be vaccinated. Are you saying that those who have no choice in their vulnerability should be locked in their house forever (or risk death), because your right to go to a night club is more important? Nice set of priorities going on there. Nice definition of "freedom" | |||
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"Quite agree with all the suggestions .. needs to be far more personal responsibility forced upon folk. All this socialist blaming government and expecting others to provide for you ... Just doesn't happen in other less well off country's. " What's a socialist blaming gmnt and expecting who to provide,, | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet " true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab | |||
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"If people are that worried about it they can choose to stay indoors and let others get on with their lives vaccinated or unvaccinated. No one should have anything forced on them or rights removed due to their choice Or, the unvaccinated can accept they will face restrictions. " or those that want to force us in to some kind of people hating society can stay indoors if they are that worried and concerned | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab Not even with an experimental one? " It's incredibly fortunate, then, that we have four approved Covid vaccines that continue to receive unprecedented scrutiny for our safety. Which some were willing to take while experimental, and continue to be so in order to bring this under control and stop the direct and indirect devastation that Covid has on our lives. (As someone in an actual clinical trial - not the silly fictitious one that people go on about - I'd just like to say, you're welcome ) | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab Not even with an experimental one? It's incredibly fortunate, then, that we have four approved Covid vaccines that continue to receive unprecedented scrutiny for our safety. Which some were willing to take while experimental, and continue to be so in order to bring this under control and stop the direct and indirect devastation that Covid has on our lives. (As someone in an actual clinical trial - not the silly fictitious one that people go on about - I'd just like to say, you're welcome )"how much was you paid?? | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab Not even with an experimental one? It's incredibly fortunate, then, that we have four approved Covid vaccines that continue to receive unprecedented scrutiny for our safety. Which some were willing to take while experimental, and continue to be so in order to bring this under control and stop the direct and indirect devastation that Covid has on our lives. (As someone in an actual clinical trial - not the silly fictitious one that people go on about - I'd just like to say, you're welcome ) how much was you paid?? "My tram ticket to get there each time, water as requested or when they tell me to, and biscuits after the vaccination or if any of the ongoing blood tests (continuing for a year) goes wrong. I imagine that those who regard this as harmful would not accept any amount of money, let alone a paltry £7.50 per visit, but I'm trying to do my bit to help. As I say, you're welcome. | |||
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"I believe that some one who has to have treatment for covid after refusing a vaccine should either be refused treatment or have to pay for it. Not having a vaccine is selfish beyond belief, its as much to protect others as it is to protect yourself, ita the same as people who wouldnt let thier kids have the new combined vaccine a few years ago, i forget its name, my thoughts were, what you would rather your child got ill, possably die?? same for those that smoke drink and have a bad diet true but you cant cure addiction as easy as a jab Not even with an experimental one? It's incredibly fortunate, then, that we have four approved Covid vaccines that continue to receive unprecedented scrutiny for our safety. Which some were willing to take while experimental, and continue to be so in order to bring this under control and stop the direct and indirect devastation that Covid has on our lives. (As someone in an actual clinical trial - not the silly fictitious one that people go on about - I'd just like to say, you're welcome )"Oh dear…I was actually proposing an experimental vaccine for the addicts but realised I hadn’t worded it quite well enough. Still it gave you another opportunity to bang your drum and tell us how wonderful you are You’re welcome | |||
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