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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " I don’t know why more isn’t being said about this! It’s disgraceful behaviour, so why is he being allowed to say? It’s so wrong | |||
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"His PCR test from the 16th was positive but he did not receive the result until the 19th. If he took the test because he had symptoms then I consider his actions irresponsible. If it was part of a scheduled programme of PCR tests then I have more sympathy towards him. The media are quick to mislead us on the facts to help whip up a storm.." Actually… on the form he handed to the Melbourne court the form states he was notified on the 16th of the 2 PCR tests that he took 7 hrs apart were both positive….. So…. Again the question is what the hell was he doing at events on the 17th and 18th | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. " Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record | |||
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"His PCR test from the 16th was positive but he did not receive the result until the 19th. If he took the test because he had symptoms then I consider his actions irresponsible. If it was part of a scheduled programme of PCR tests then I have more sympathy towards him. The media are quick to mislead us on the facts to help whip up a storm.. Actually… on the form he handed to the Melbourne court the form states he was notified on the 16th of the 2 PCR tests that he took 7 hrs apart were both positive….. So…. Again the question is what the hell was he doing at events on the 17th and 18th" I was also going to ask, does anyone know when he was informed of the positive test as the news yesterday kept saying they don't know if he was aware at the time of these events. If it's on his form then it's appalling behaviour. | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " Great questions Fabs! We all know how irresponsible those nasty anti-vaxx Novax Jokajab fans are! In the meantime have a tissue, you're salivating waiting for anti-vaxxers to take the bait   | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record " Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.. | |||
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"I'd say he's either a liar. Or he's a twat. I think the rules to demand vaccinations are twattish too. We live in an era dominated by twats."  All of the above. | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.." Erm…. You might also want to watch the last minute of the Djokovic family press conference.. where they are asked the specific questions about knowing on the 16th, because as soon as they said yes.. and it’s now a matter of record, another journalist asked about the 17 and 18, and that is when the presser is abruptly finished…… Unless the family are now lying as well…. | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.. Erm…. You might also want to watch the last minute of the Djokovic family press conference.. where they are asked the specific questions about knowing on the 16th, because as soon as they said yes.. and it’s now a matter of record, another journalist asked about the 17 and 18, and that is when the presser is abruptly finished…… Unless the family are now lying as well…." exactly. | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.. Erm…. You might also want to watch the last minute of the Djokovic family press conference.. where they are asked the specific questions about knowing on the 16th, because as soon as they said yes.. and it’s now a matter of record, another journalist asked about the 17 and 18, and that is when the presser is abruptly finished…… Unless the family are now lying as well…." www.bbc.com/news/59939122 | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.. Erm…. You might also want to watch the last minute of the Djokovic family press conference.. where they are asked the specific questions about knowing on the 16th, because as soon as they said yes.. and it’s now a matter of record, another journalist asked about the 17 and 18, and that is when the presser is abruptly finished…… Unless the family are now lying as well…." I would have had him fliwn out of the country, as an undesirable alien. It all seems like a situation that he has tried to force in his favour, at any cost to others. | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " Why are you conflating our rules here with the rules where he lives? The law isn't a moral code, it varies. | |||
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"There is only one king and his name is Novak Ðokovic "You mean No vac Djokovic the cheat | |||
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"I would ask where was he when he tested positive and if not this country , then what were there rules regarding positive tests " their * | |||
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"I would ask where was he when he tested positive and if not this country , then what were there rules regarding positive tests their *" "Mr Djokovic was tested in Serbia, where you are legally required to isolate for 14 days following a positive Covid test." From the link above....seems he should have stayed in. Selfish behaviour to do what he did if this is the case | |||
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"I would ask where was he when he tested positive and if not this country , then what were there rules regarding positive tests " He also gets two legal free passes due to his celebrity status and the fact he likely had no symptoms Even our rules here allow for a protected band of people to be exempt from the rules and are now allowing asymptomatic to work | |||
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"Novax is the whipping boy for angry people who realise their two year obsession with zero COVID has done our country’s more harm than good but still can’t bring them selves to admit it " hahaha true. And they can't bring themselves to discuss Boris at yet another event/garden party. That is the real issue for us here with him taking the mick along with his cronies. | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. Actually… the bbc tennis correspondent, Russell fuller, has put up a copy of the actual Serbian documents on Twitter his lawyers made in the Melbourne appeal, the court themselves made it a fact of record Yes I have seen them. They do not state when he received the news himself...just when the result was confirmed. You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that elements of the media are implying but you are yet to show any proof.. Erm…. You might also want to watch the last minute of the Djokovic family press conference.. where they are asked the specific questions about knowing on the 16th, because as soon as they said yes.. and it’s now a matter of record, another journalist asked about the 17 and 18, and that is when the presser is abruptly finished…… Unless the family are now lying as well…." Or they didn't want to talk about it. There's a good chance he knew and if he did he's a selfish twat. But I prefer to wait for the facts to be cleared up. Nothing you have said so far is proof | |||
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"I would ask where was he when he tested positive and if not this country , then what were there rules regarding positive tests He also gets two legal free passes due to his celebrity status and the fact he likely had no symptoms Even our rules here allow for a protected band of people to be exempt from the rules and are now allowing asymptomatic to work" We are not talking about our rules though unless he was here when tested. What do you mean he gets two legal free passes? | |||
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"Depends what cycle threshold was used for the PCR test" Can you explain for the punters what a PCR cycle threshold is? | |||
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"Novax is the whipping boy for angry people who realise their two year obsession with zero COVID has done our country’s more harm than good but still can’t bring them selves to admit it Tell this to the many people who have lost loved ones and family friends.  " | |||
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"There is only one king and his name is Novak Ðokovic
You mean No vac Djokovic the cheat "How's he a cheat, plus it's he's choice weather he has the vaccine to. | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " I'm no fan and hopefully he will lose sponsors over it. Can you imagine the days of dirt digging that would happen if it were a politician or sportsman here? | |||
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"Novax is the whipping boy for angry people who realise their two year obsession with zero COVID has done our country’s more harm than good but still can’t bring them selves to admit it " It didn't take long! | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised if he never had a positive result, they just lied to basically get him in. Personally I'm saddened that he was just deported, he basically is a privileged, arrogant, xxx. Fill in the final word yourself " A bit inflammatory statement from someone who hasn't got any access to any facts | |||
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"Has he got COVID? Does he pose a health risk?" Nobody would know, which is why I think people should avoid him | |||
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"If he knew he had it and went too a event.....an someone got it off him ..it's attempted manslaughter....and his parents were as bad knowing about it by avoiding the question in a press conference. his mother looked like a nasty peace of work" Apart from Mrs Djokovic, what does a ‘nasty piece of work’ look like? The judgemental nature of these forums never cease to amaze me. Oh and by the way - there isn’t nor could there be such a thing as attempted manslaughter in law | |||
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"Has he got COVID? Does he pose a health risk? Nobody would know, which is why I think people should avoid him " You don’t think that The Australian Open have effective testing protocols in place? Interesting… | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " Some people are choosing to view him as something of a freedom fighter because in this one situation, their interests align. But viewed as a whole, his actions are reckless and selfish. | |||
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"Has he got COVID? Does he pose a health risk?" I would imagine that he has been tested, don’t you? Does he pose a health risk? He loses a marginally higher risk than he would if he had been vaccinated, as the vaccine helps reduce the level of onward infections. I do know that I would not get into Australia if I had not been vaccinated. | |||
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"Has he got COVID? Does he pose a health risk?" We do know if he has got it he will still go out and meet people, so yes he is a health risk | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms." That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? | |||
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"If he knew he had it and went too a event.....an someone got it off him ..it's attempted manslaughter....and his parents were as bad knowing about it by avoiding the question in a press conference. his mother looked like a nasty peace of work Apart from Mrs Djokovic, what does a ‘nasty piece of work’ look like? The judgemental nature of these forums never cease to amaze me. Oh and by the way - there isn’t nor could there be such a thing as attempted manslaughter in law " Could I Be Charged With a Crime for Spreading the Coronavirus? Individuals who intentionally or recklessly attempt to spread the virus, threaten to expose others to the virus, or violate emergency orders could face criminal charges. By Stacy Barrett, Attorney Read it an weep That's what a nasty piece of work knowingly does | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help?" Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ?" My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally. | |||
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"If he knew he had it and went too a event.....an someone got it off him ..it's attempted manslaughter....and his parents were as bad knowing about it by avoiding the question in a press conference. his mother looked like a nasty peace of work Apart from Mrs Djokovic, what does a ‘nasty piece of work’ look like? The judgemental nature of these forums never cease to amaze me. Oh and by the way - there isn’t nor could there be such a thing as attempted manslaughter in law Could I Be Charged With a Crime for Spreading the Coronavirus? Individuals who intentionally or recklessly attempt to spread the virus, threaten to expose others to the virus, or violate emergency orders could face criminal charges. By Stacy Barrett, Attorney Read it an weep That's what a nasty piece of work knowingly does" Why would I weep? I’m not disputing that criminal charges couldn’t be applied (although how they would be proven beyond reasonable doubt is beyond me). You said it’s attempted manslaughter - which in itself is an oxymoron. There is no such charge, nor could there be | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally." The topic is about a tennis player therefore the two are inseparable. False positive, no vaccine, no visa period | |||
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"If he knew he had it and went too a event.....an someone got it off him ..it's attempted manslaughter....and his parents were as bad knowing about it by avoiding the question in a press conference. his mother looked like a nasty peace of work Apart from Mrs Djokovic, what does a ‘nasty piece of work’ look like? The judgemental nature of these forums never cease to amaze me. Oh and by the way - there isn’t nor could there be such a thing as attempted manslaughter in law Could I Be Charged With a Crime for Spreading the Coronavirus? Individuals who intentionally or recklessly attempt to spread the virus, threaten to expose others to the virus, or violate emergency orders could face criminal charges. By Stacy Barrett, Attorney Read it an weep That's what a nasty piece of work knowingly does Why would I weep? I’m not disputing that criminal charges couldn’t be applied (although how they would be proven beyond reasonable doubt is beyond me). You said it’s attempted manslaughter - which in itself is an oxymoron. There is no such charge, nor could there be" Exactly. If a death is caused deliberately/ intentionally, it isn’t manslaughter, it’s murder. | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ?" Apparently he tested twice so I guess it wasn’t false positive. Secondly, if you want to follow the science, Djokovic should’ve produce a valid test showing his antibodies level not a useless PCR or Vaccine certificate which don’t prove anything. A couple of good quality LFT are quite accurate and sufficient for showing if he is infectious or not. | |||
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" It's reported today that NOVAX Djokovic also lied to Border Control about having travelled through a third country - Spain. A Deportable offence in itself. Obviously he should be locked in irons - put on a tramp-steamer and packed off to Nauru Island as quickly as possible. Then this story would just go away, and we could all get back to reality! "I'm sure when he gets to Nauru he can inform the people there that he's the real victim here  | |||
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"I dont think that he will return there for a ling time." I doubt they care , he isn’t very popular | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " not really up on it but what county was he in what rules was in place as said we all don't have the same rules . | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally. The topic is about a tennis player therefore the two are inseparable. False positive, no vaccine, no visa period" I didn’t realise we couldn’t have branching topics within a thread that may be stimulated by the OP but evolve away from the core topic. Does it say that on the forum rules? If so then we best close pretty much every single thread in the Virus section! It’s ok though. I have found the info and I was right, I had read it. PCR tests are so sensitive that they can detect old infections by picking up fragments of dead viral cells. In addition the amplication cycle rate being used is sometimes far too high creating even more false positives. Those two points are worrying as it brings into question the accuracy of infection/cases data which could be lower than reported. Actually not worrying, actually that would be good news! | |||
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" It's reported today that NOVAX Djokovic also lied to Border Control about having travelled through a third country - Spain. A Deportable offence in itself. Obviously he should be locked in irons - put on a tramp-steamer and packed off to Nauru Island as quickly as possible. Then this story would just go away, and we could all get back to reality!
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" It's reported today that NOVAX Djokovic also lied to Border Control about having travelled through a third country - Spain. A Deportable offence in itself. Obviously he should be locked in irons - put on a tramp-steamer and packed off to Nauru Island as quickly as possible. Then this story would just go away, and we could all get back to reality!
I'm sure when he gets to Nauru he can inform the people there that he's the real victim here
"My thoughts exactly. I'm so glad that the abusive processes of Australian immigration have been brought to international attention, and the wellbeing of those being 'processed offshore' shall be championed by the only true advocates of freedom in the world. I look forward to them joining those of us who have watched Australia's horrifying maltreatment for decades. Together we can end the suffering of refugees, for we are for all people, not just wealthy athletes. | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " | |||
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"Has he got COVID? Does he pose a health risk? Nobody would know, which is why I think people should avoid him You don’t think that The Australian Open have effective testing protocols in place? Interesting… " Yes I do but I am talking in a more general manner when he is not trying to win millions in prize money. | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally. The topic is about a tennis player therefore the two are inseparable. False positive, no vaccine, no visa period I didn’t realise we couldn’t have branching topics within a thread that may be stimulated by the OP but evolve away from the core topic. Does it say that on the forum rules? If so then we best close pretty much every single thread in the Virus section! It’s ok though. I have found the info and I was right, I had read it. PCR tests are so sensitive that they can detect old infections by picking up fragments of dead viral cells. In addition the amplication cycle rate being used is sometimes far too high creating even more false positives. Those two points are worrying as it brings into question the accuracy of infection/cases data which could be lower than reported. Actually not worrying, actually that would be good news!" Profuse apologies your sudden random departure is of course allowed in fact the very same topic has been discussed extensively here throughout the pandemic maybe you missed it, but your research is correct ... so in relation to Novac how would that affect his application ? | |||
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" It's reported today that NOVAX Djokovic also lied to Border Control about having travelled through a third country - Spain. A Deportable offence in itself. Obviously he should be locked in irons - put on a tramp-steamer and packed off to Nauru Island as quickly as possible. Then this story would just go away, and we could all get back to reality!
I'm sure when he gets to Nauru he can inform the people there that he's the real victim here
My thoughts exactly.
I'm so glad that the abusive processes of Australian immigration have been brought to international attention, and the wellbeing of those being 'processed offshore' shall be championed by the only true advocates of freedom in the world.
I look forward to them joining those of us who have watched Australia's horrifying maltreatment for decades. Together we can end the suffering of refugees, for we are for all people, not just wealthy athletes."“The only true advocates of freedom in the world” I don’t think that any one group of people own that particular accolade. | |||
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". Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help?" I read that as FAECES... Need to get to Specsavers! | |||
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"I know he is an international freedom fighter to those at the moment Can I ask a question? By his own admission, PCR confirmed positive on the 16th…. At an event on the 17th where was socialising, at a photoshoot on the 18th So since at that point he absolutely knew… and still went out and about with his normal life… is that behaviour that you also condone? It does make me worry, and a bit nervous, of how many people who are his ardent supporters are also deliberately flouting health issues… Are you all going out regardless knowingly of results? " Phenomenal.....not a single sole on here broke, bent, twisted, skirted, flaunted, not one of the rules, on any level whatsoever. I cant add anything of value to this discussion, im afraid my record following all the rules isnt as faultless so id be a hypocrite. Stay at home, protect the NHS yadda yadda yadda | |||
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" Phenomenal.....not a single sole on here broke, bent, twisted, skirted, flaunted, not one of the rules, on any level whatsoever. I cant add anything of value to this discussion, im afraid my record following all the rules isnt as faultless so id be a hypocrite. Stay at home, protect the NHS yadda yadda yadda " Ah. A case of: “He that is without a party invite among you, let him cast the first glass of vodka at her.” 
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" It's reported today that NOVAX Djokovic also lied to Border Control about having travelled through a third country - Spain. A Deportable offence in itself. Obviously he should be locked in irons - put on a tramp-steamer and packed off to Nauru Island as quickly as possible. Then this story would just go away, and we could all get back to reality!
I'm sure when he gets to Nauru he can inform the people there that he's the real victim here
My thoughts exactly.
I'm so glad that the abusive processes of Australian immigration have been brought to international attention, and the wellbeing of those being 'processed offshore' shall be championed by the only true advocates of freedom in the world.
I look forward to them joining those of us who have watched Australia's horrifying maltreatment for decades. Together we can end the suffering of refugees, for we are for all people, not just wealthy athletes.
“The only true advocates of freedom in the world”
I don’t think that any one group of people own that particular accolade. "I might be being slightly sarcastic
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally. The topic is about a tennis player therefore the two are inseparable. False positive, no vaccine, no visa period I didn’t realise we couldn’t have branching topics within a thread that may be stimulated by the OP but evolve away from the core topic. Does it say that on the forum rules? If so then we best close pretty much every single thread in the Virus section! It’s ok though. I have found the info and I was right, I had read it. PCR tests are so sensitive that they can detect old infections by picking up fragments of dead viral cells. In addition the amplication cycle rate being used is sometimes far too high creating even more false positives. Those two points are worrying as it brings into question the accuracy of infection/cases data which could be lower than reported. Actually not worrying, actually that would be good news! Profuse apologies your sudden random departure is of course allowed in fact the very same topic has been discussed extensively here throughout the pandemic maybe you missed it, but your research is correct ... so in relation to Novac how would that affect his application ? " Sarcasm uurgh you’re better than that! I don’t actually read every thread and I am starting to get older and my memory is going so can’t remember when/where I read things! Made my views on ND right up top. No support from me in relation to this. | |||
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". Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? I read that as FAECES... Need to get to Specsavers! "A great many of us are full of it for sure! | |||
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"Considering that people get infected no matter what vaccine and previous infections they have, at what point we are going to stop destroying our society and move on with our lives? It’s just a matter of time before they will say that the booster doesn’t work or another variant pops up. Seems like everyone on this planet is obsessed with a vaccine which doesn’t work as it should and completely ignore perfectly strong , immune and healthy people. As a matter of fact his positive PCR only shows that he had the virus in the system not that he was sick or infectious. People previously infected tend to kill the virus in the first few hours therefore no symptoms and no chance of infecting someone. It’s exactly what our government is doing now, no more PCR for people with no symptoms. That is interesting now you say it. I am not supporting him as I think right now caution is the word but on this specific PCR thing... I have read that PCRs will give a positive result for Covid even if the virus is no longer active. ie there is “dead” virus particles in your system. Is that right? Can any of our Fab Experts in Covid (FECers) help? Lets assume for a moment his PCR was a false positive. Would he get into Australia ? My question wasn’t about this tennis player. It was about PCR tests generally. The topic is about a tennis player therefore the two are inseparable. False positive, no vaccine, no visa period I didn’t realise we couldn’t have branching topics within a thread that may be stimulated by the OP but evolve away from the core topic. Does it say that on the forum rules? If so then we best close pretty much every single thread in the Virus section! It’s ok though. I have found the info and I was right, I had read it. PCR tests are so sensitive that they can detect old infections by picking up fragments of dead viral cells. In addition the amplication cycle rate being used is sometimes far too high creating even more false positives. Those two points are worrying as it brings into question the accuracy of infection/cases data which could be lower than reported. Actually not worrying, actually that would be good news! Profuse apologies your sudden random departure is of course allowed in fact the very same topic has been discussed extensively here throughout the pandemic maybe you missed it, but your research is correct ... so in relation to Novac how would that affect his application ? Sarcasm uurgh you’re better than that! I don’t actually read every thread and I am starting to get older and my memory is going so can’t remember when/where I read things! Made my views on ND right up top. No support from me in relation to this." Lol, it's all fun | |||
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"Novax is the whipping boy for angry people who realise their two year obsession with zero COVID has done our country’s more harm than good but still can’t bring them selves to admit it Tell this to the many people who have lost loved ones and family friends. " | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. " So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? | |||
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"I dont think that he will return there for a ling time. I doubt they care , he isn’t very popular " They did as they set him up, djokovic 1 australia 0. | |||
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"I dont think that he will return there for a ling time. I doubt they care , he isn’t very popular They did as they set him up, djokovic 1 australia 0." Don't you mean 15 love? | |||
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"I dont think that he will return there for a ling time. I doubt they care , he isn’t very popular They did as they set him up, djokovic 1 australia 0. Don't you mean 15 love? " Yes. I meant that as well | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? " He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...  | |||
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"His PCR test from the 16th was positive but he did not receive the result until the 19th. If he took the test because he had symptoms then I consider his actions irresponsible. If it was part of a scheduled programme of PCR tests then I have more sympathy towards him. The media are quick to mislead us on the facts to help whip up a storm.. Actually… on the form he handed to the Melbourne court the form states he was notified on the 16th of the 2 PCR tests that he took 7 hrs apart were both positive….. So…. Again the question is what the hell was he doing at events on the 17th and 18th" To put it bluntly being a self indiulgent, petulant twat | |||
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" Phenomenal.....not a single sole on here broke, bent, twisted, skirted, flaunted, not one of the rules, on any level whatsoever. I cant add anything of value to this discussion, im afraid my record following all the rules isnt as faultless so id be a hypocrite. Stay at home, protect the NHS yadda yadda yadda Ah. A case of: “He that is without a party invite among you, let him cast the first glass of vodka at her.”
Of course, we can all be Holier than though and duplicit to the cause of self-righteousness - it is our God given right as voters !! "The accusation, well yea, bang to rights to be fair. Also had the odd drink throw at me...in my top 3 ways to bitchslap a guy. We all have 2 sets of books we keep true, difference is i try not to overplay mine on group forum (like i have now i guess) and also the level of vitriol that is aimed at an individual is so over the top you not think? | |||
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"Now it turns out he was at the party with Boris on May 20th !!!"
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"Me & the Mrs both tested positive last Thursday & we haven't been out & we've had 3 jabs each, if it's the country's rules then it shouldn't be changed for anyone in my opinion, if Novak catches covid & dies, will his family accept that or fight it? Just a thought!!!!" He has more chance of a piano falling on his head than dying from covid ! Healthy people, and I mean really he as healthy (not the media definition of healthy which is still 2 stone overweight) die from covid at the same rate marathon runners drop dead from freak heart attacks. In other words, not too often! | |||
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"I don't see a problem with him using his own resources to blow a hole in Tyranny. One rule for them and a completely different set for us is where the Aussies are also. He has oppened up the debate. Why can a perfectly healthy uninfected unjabbed person be refused entry to a country but an infected Jabbed person be permissable. " An infected person is not "Permissible" at all. Everyone is expected to take a PCR test 2/3 before flying, and a positive test would prevent them from traveling. Cal | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th... "I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law. Cal | |||
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"I don't see a problem with him using his own resources to blow a hole in Tyranny. One rule for them and a completely different set for us is where the Aussies are also. He has oppened up the debate. Why can a perfectly healthy uninfected unjabbed person be refused entry to a country but an infected Jabbed person be permissable. " It seems that your hero is a lier | |||
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"Where did you read that? I have heard different versions of the story and only trust the media to run with the most condemning one. " He confirmed it this morning. He said when he went out on the 17th he didn't know he was positive and only found out later that day and when he did the interview the following day he knew he w as positive. That's his own admission . | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? " Blaming his “agent” for lying on the form. That’s pretty pathetic, he is the one competing snd he is the one who signed the form. | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
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Cal"Absolutely. It is a legal declaration, and you check all details before signing. Nothing seems to be his responsibility ... protecting himself from covid, isolating once he’s got it, or telling the truth in a legal document. | |||
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"Me & the Mrs both tested positive last Thursday & we haven't been out & we've had 3 jabs each, if it's the country's rules then it shouldn't be changed for anyone in my opinion, if Novak catches covid & dies, will his family accept that or fight it? Just a thought!!!! He has more chance of a piano falling on his head than dying from covid ! Healthy people, and I mean really he as healthy (not the media definition of healthy which is still 2 stone overweight) die from covid at the same rate marathon runners drop dead from freak heart attacks. In other words, not too often!" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others | |||
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"Me & the Mrs both tested positive last Thursday & we haven't been out & we've had 3 jabs each, if it's the country's rules then it shouldn't be changed for anyone in my opinion, if Novak catches covid & dies, will his family accept that or fight it? Just a thought!!!! He has more chance of a piano falling on his head than dying from covid ! Healthy people, and I mean really he as healthy (not the media definition of healthy which is still 2 stone overweight) die from covid at the same rate marathon runners drop dead from freak heart attacks. In other words, not too often! If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others "
Such selfishness. He could pass it on to someone who has a vulnerable person in their lives.
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
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Cal"My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious. I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego. He deserves to be sent home! | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
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My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home! "Even his most ardent supporter must be embarrassed at his behaviour at this stage. Indefensible. | |||
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" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others "
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" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others
Two years into a pandemic and apparently some people still don't understand this."Yeah, amazing. I am also amazed that some people seem to think that a vaccination should give them immunity for life. | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
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My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home! "Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science! | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
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My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
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" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others
Two years into a pandemic and apparently some people still don't understand this.
Yeah, amazing. I am also amazed that some people seem to think that a vaccination should give them immunity for life. "I can see that, in the beginning, the sterilising immunity thing was over egged. But that was over a year ago and - you'd think anyone truly interested in understanding how this works would have got the message by now. That all vaccines are developed to reduce severe disease or death, and these vaccines do that very well (and exceptionally well against the ancestral variant of Covid). That all vaccines (except maybe HPV) act in this way. It just shows that it isn't about facts, it's about rhetoric. If they shout their lies loud enough, they'll "win". Same as Djokovic being about freedom and looking at the plight of Australian refugees. It's just about not wanting to respect public health laws. It isn't about freedom at all. | |||
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" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others
Two years into a pandemic and apparently some people still don't understand this.
Yeah, amazing. I am also amazed that some people seem to think that a vaccination should give them immunity for life.
I can see that, in the beginning, the sterilising immunity thing was over egged. But that was over a year ago and - you'd think anyone truly interested in understanding how this works would have got the message by now. That all vaccines are developed to reduce severe disease or death, and these vaccines do that very well (and exceptionally well against the ancestral variant of Covid). That all vaccines (except maybe HPV) act in this way.
It just shows that it isn't about facts, it's about rhetoric. If they shout their lies loud enough, they'll "win".
Same as Djokovic being about freedom and looking at the plight of Australian refugees. It's just about not wanting to respect public health laws. It isn't about freedom at all."Completely agree. It is about not wanting to do something because they are being told that they should. Nothing to do with “freedom”, as freedom comes with responsibilities. | |||
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" If this was just about his own health, fair enough. But it isn’t. It’s about the spread of Covid and impacting others
Two years into a pandemic and apparently some people still don't understand this.
Yeah, amazing. I am also amazed that some people seem to think that a vaccination should give them immunity for life.
I can see that, in the beginning, the sterilising immunity thing was over egged. But that was over a year ago and - you'd think anyone truly interested in understanding how this works would have got the message by now. That all vaccines are developed to reduce severe disease or death, and these vaccines do that very well (and exceptionally well against the ancestral variant of Covid). That all vaccines (except maybe HPV) act in this way.
It just shows that it isn't about facts, it's about rhetoric. If they shout their lies loud enough, they'll "win".
Same as Djokovic being about freedom and looking at the plight of Australian refugees. It's just about not wanting to respect public health laws. It isn't about freedom at all.
Completely agree. It is about not wanting to do something because they are being told that they should. Nothing to do with “freedom”, as freedom comes with responsibilities. "Imagine that. Lol | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
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My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
Why oh why...... "Because from the time someone catches the virus it takes few days until they become contagious, that’s if their immune system is not that good. If the person has a very strong immune system or has been exposed to the virus in the past and has plenty antibodies, basically immune to covid, which in Djokovic case is very likely, then the body will kill the virus in a matter of hours. Even if they have mild symptoms like sore throat or slight cough they will be gone very quickly. Basically the body kills the virus before getting the chance of becoming contagious. However they will still test positive on a PCR but very unlikely on a LFT test. I guess this is the reason our government decided to stop the PCR without having symptoms. | |||
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"It looks like ND and Boris are working from the same book of excuses" Yes it's called fuck up for dim wits | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
Why oh why......
Because from the time someone catches the virus it takes few days until they become contagious, that’s if their immune system is not that good. If the person has a very strong immune system or has been exposed to the virus in the past and has plenty antibodies, basically immune to covid, which in Djokovic case is very likely, then the body will kill the virus in a matter of hours. Even if they have mild symptoms like sore throat or slight cough they will be gone very quickly. Basically the body kills the virus before getting the chance of becoming contagious. However they will still test positive on a PCR but very unlikely on a LFT test. I guess this is the reason our government decided to stop the PCR without having symptoms. "I don’t think so where did you get that info from ? YouTube? Insta ?  | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
Why oh why......
Because from the time someone catches the virus it takes few days until they become contagious, that’s if their immune system is not that good. If the person has a very strong immune system or has been exposed to the virus in the past and has plenty antibodies, basically immune to covid, which in Djokovic case is very likely, then the body will kill the virus in a matter of hours. Even if they have mild symptoms like sore throat or slight cough they will be gone very quickly. Basically the body kills the virus before getting the chance of becoming contagious. However they will still test positive on a PCR but very unlikely on a LFT test. I guess this is the reason our government decided to stop the PCR without having symptoms.
I don’t think so where did you get that info from ? YouTube? Insta ? "Science is a difficult subject, definitely not for everyone … | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!"So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
"My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive. Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill. In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen. | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen."Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ? | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen.
Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ?
"What do you mean nothing left? It’s obvious that something is left otherwise the PCR wouldn’t have been positive. Yes I do believe that the immune system kills the virus, perhaps in few hours not instantly, but that’s how immunity works, being natural or acquired through vaccination. Don’t imagine that a vaccine creates an impenetrable shield around you. | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen.
Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ?
What do you mean nothing left? It’s obvious that something is left otherwise the PCR wouldn’t have been positive. Yes I do believe that the immune system kills the virus, perhaps in few hours not instantly, but that’s how immunity works, being natural or acquired through vaccination. Don’t imagine that a vaccine creates an impenetrable shield around you."But if we are now accepting Novak on his word about the 17th, the reality is he did know on the 18th… and did not change his behaviour, which makes him stupid at best.. and stupid and reckless at worst! Between this and the immigration paperwork, which again should be his responsibility.. if Australia kicked him out… I don’t see why people would grumble!!! | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen.
Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ?
What do you mean nothing left? It’s obvious that something is left otherwise the PCR wouldn’t have been positive. Yes I do believe that the immune system kills the virus, perhaps in few hours not instantly, but that’s how immunity works, being natural or acquired through vaccination. Don’t imagine that a vaccine creates an impenetrable shield around you.
But if we are now accepting Novak on his word about the 17th, the reality is he did know on the 18th… and did not change his behaviour, which makes him stupid at best.. and stupid and reckless at worst!
Between this and the immigration paperwork, which again should be his responsibility.. if Australia kicked him out… I don’t see why people would grumble!!!"Some people are throwing words like “stupid “ and “ reckless” without any backup. You are obviously assuming that he was contagious and he didn’t give a dime about anyone. That could be true however considering that nobody else in his entourage got covid I can only assume that he knew he wasn’t contagious. Don’t forget the guy is loaded and is a king in his country. For you and me may be difficult to find out or to prove that we are not contagious but not for him. I don’t think he would jeopardise the whole tournament for the sake of giving some autographs in Spain. You may call him arrogant, selfish, stubborn but I don’t think he was stupid or reckless. I guess that you are falsely associate a positive test with automatically being contagious which is not always the case. I work in a fairly young collective and I know at least five of us who tested positive on PCR, no symptoms, no one else in their families positive either. We were skeptic in the beginning, blaming false positive tests but after the antibodies tests we figured out that they had covid just weren’t contagious. Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person. | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen.
Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ?
What do you mean nothing left? It’s obvious that something is left otherwise the PCR wouldn’t have been positive. Yes I do believe that the immune system kills the virus, perhaps in few hours not instantly, but that’s how immunity works, being natural or acquired through vaccination. Don’t imagine that a vaccine creates an impenetrable shield around you.
But if we are now accepting Novak on his word about the 17th, the reality is he did know on the 18th… and did not change his behaviour, which makes him stupid at best.. and stupid and reckless at worst!
Between this and the immigration paperwork, which again should be his responsibility.. if Australia kicked him out… I don’t see why people would grumble!!!
Some people are throwing words like “stupid “ and “ reckless” without any backup. You are obviously assuming that he was contagious and he didn’t give a dime about anyone. That could be true however considering that nobody else in his entourage got covid I can only assume that he knew he wasn’t contagious. Don’t forget the guy is loaded and is a king in his country. For you and me may be difficult to find out or to prove that we are not contagious but not for him. I don’t think he would jeopardise the whole tournament for the sake of giving some autographs in Spain. You may call him arrogant, selfish, stubborn but I don’t think he was stupid or reckless. I guess that you are falsely associate a positive test with automatically being contagious which is not always the case. I work in a fairly young collective and I know at least five of us who tested positive on PCR, no symptoms, no one else in their families positive either. We were skeptic in the beginning, blaming false positive tests but after the antibodies tests we figured out that they had covid just weren’t contagious. Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person."Are you suggesting that since he's rich he went and had tests done to find out weather he was contagious or not? | |||
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"Could be that he's now lied on his travel documentation supplied to Australia. So if it is true he travelled to Spain on the 2nd January and he declared he did not travel to any other country within 14 days to Australia… that the easy out to remove him… I mean, could the authorities ask for his passport and would he not have a stamp in his passport as proof? …. Isn’t that too easy? He can't be held responsible because according to him, his agent completed his immigration paper. His agent wouldn't have known he travelled to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai Jan 4th and he would never have known he was in Belgrade December 26th...
I'm fairly sure that a person has a legal responsibility to ensure that "their own" travel documents are accurate. Ignorance doesn't excuse you from the law.
Cal
My post was supposed to highlight his coach surely did know, I thought the blushing face and a little sarcasm was obvious but I can see if read as written that isn't at all obvious.
I will put this straight now.... He is liar and takes no responsibility for his law breaking. He had covid, he knew he had covid but his selfish and ignorant behaviour put a journalist at risk and god knows how many others for the promotion of his ego.
He deserves to be sent home!
Actually he tested positive, we don’t know if he had covid, two completely different things. Considering that Djokovic had covid in 2020 is very possible that he didn’t have covid in December. Follow the science!
So in that case he had absolutely no exemption for entering Australia based on having Covid in December
My answer would’ve been more straightforward if the governments would’ve followed the science. They chose instead to follow some botched science. So, there is a difference between catching the virus and actually becoming ill from the virus. You can be in an environment where there’s covid, flue, cold, hepatitis etc. If you have immunity to those things it doesn’t mean that you don’t catch them, you do , however your immune system will take care of them before they will develop any further. You do test positive on PCR but the viral load is not high enough for you to become contagious or is just simply dead. From my experience, people who acquired natural immunity had plenty antibodies more than a year after they tested positive.
Now, I am not Djokovic mother to know exactly what he was doing, actually I don’t even like him as a person, but if I want to test positive it’s enough to ask a positive friend to send a test with my name on it and it’s all done. What I want to point out is that a PCR on its own is pretty useless, millions of people positive however few are actually ill.
In Djokovic case a positive PCR shows that he was either ill and dealt with it or, more probably, considering that he didn’t have symptoms, his immune system killed the virus straight away. If you can explain at what point this guy became a danger to the Aussies and what he could’ve done to not be I am ready to listen.
Do you really think his body would havr instanly killed of the virus with nothing left instanly ?
What do you mean nothing left? It’s obvious that something is left otherwise the PCR wouldn’t have been positive. Yes I do believe that the immune system kills the virus, perhaps in few hours not instantly, but that’s how immunity works, being natural or acquired through vaccination. Don’t imagine that a vaccine creates an impenetrable shield around you.
But if we are now accepting Novak on his word about the 17th, the reality is he did know on the 18th… and did not change his behaviour, which makes him stupid at best.. and stupid and reckless at worst!
Between this and the immigration paperwork, which again should be his responsibility.. if Australia kicked him out… I don’t see why people would grumble!!!
Some people are throwing words like “stupid “ and “ reckless” without any backup. You are obviously assuming that he was contagious and he didn’t give a dime about anyone. That could be true however considering that nobody else in his entourage got covid I can only assume that he knew he wasn’t contagious. Don’t forget the guy is loaded and is a king in his country. For you and me may be difficult to find out or to prove that we are not contagious but not for him. I don’t think he would jeopardise the whole tournament for the sake of giving some autographs in Spain. You may call him arrogant, selfish, stubborn but I don’t think he was stupid or reckless. I guess that you are falsely associate a positive test with automatically being contagious which is not always the case. I work in a fairly young collective and I know at least five of us who tested positive on PCR, no symptoms, no one else in their families positive either. We were skeptic in the beginning, blaming false positive tests but after the antibodies tests we figured out that they had covid just weren’t contagious. Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person."He cares about 1 person, Him
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"Are there tests you can get to see if you are contagious?" I think studies have been done, but I've only seen things like "31% of people are still infectious at 5 days" sort of thing, not a test that will indicate contagion. | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country." So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk" You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive. | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive." So... do you have any evidence that there's a test to tell him how contagious he is, or are you just guessing? Could also be he thinks it's just a sniffle and everyone getting it is good for us. And that includes his staff. In the absence of any evidence of a test that exists, Occam's razor suggests inconsiderate jerk. Particularly if you consider his known conduct before, the monumental toddler tantrums he used to have on the tennis court. | |||
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"Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person." In Australia it is a criminal offence to make a false statement on an immigration or customs form. And, gee, do they take it seriously. I think that falls into my definition of wrong. | |||
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"Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person. In Australia it is a criminal offence to make a false statement on an immigration or customs form. And, gee, do they take it seriously. I think that falls into my definition of wrong. " I'd be pretty sure if it had been Russian or Chinese immigration he wouldn't be making TV appearances | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive." Novak believes the world to be naive and here in lies the problem, that damn internet just wont go away | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive." I am sorry… you are clutching at straws…here is what we do know, and I’ll use his own admissions: December 16… took 2 different pcr tests 7 hrs apart December 17… was notified late that evening he was covid positive December 18… went on a photoshoot and did an newspaper interview with french sports paper l’equipe at his tennis centre massless! So he knew on the 17th… and carried on regardless on the 18th!!!… again by his own admission That is my book is both stupid… and reckless! Stop trying to defend the indefensible | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive. I am sorry… you are clutching at straws…here is what we do know, and I’ll use his own admissions: December 16… took 2 different pcr tests 7 hrs apart December 17… was notified late that evening he was covid positive December 18… went on a photoshoot and did an newspaper interview with french sports paper l’equipe at his tennis centre massless! So he knew on the 17th… and carried on regardless on the 18th!!!… again by his own admission That is my book is both stupid… and reckless! Stop trying to defend the indefensible " Is this a court case? I guess when we’re all for adhering to recommendations restricting life. Then it makes it more limited in the aspects of variation for people to get a life. I’m of to shop to get mine now! | |||
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"It’s a pity that two years into this “pandemic “ some people still don’t have a clue what this virus actually is or how it works." I agree entirely | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive." Such a shame that with all that money and army of advisors/assistants no one advised him not to go out when he knew he was positive and no one could fill out his forms correctly. | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive. I am sorry… you are clutching at straws…here is what we do know, and I’ll use his own admissions: December 16… took 2 different pcr tests 7 hrs apart December 17… was notified late that evening he was covid positive December 18… went on a photoshoot and did an newspaper interview with french sports paper l’equipe at his tennis centre massless! So he knew on the 17th… and carried on regardless on the 18th!!!… again by his own admission That is my book is both stupid… and reckless! Stop trying to defend the indefensible Is this a court case? I guess when we’re all for adhering to recommendations restricting life. Then it makes it more limited in the aspects of variation for people to get a life. I’m of to shop to get mine now! "I am using his own admission when he made his grovelling apology!!! Jeez!!! So asking a question based on your statement about adherence to recommendations restricting life… if you find out you test positive, are you not self isolating? I think that is now a fair question to ask! | |||
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"I am not an expert in the field but I guess if you have access to a proper lab they will be able to analyse all this things. This may not be for everyone but Djokovic is not a random guy in his country. So you guess he knew he wasn't contagious? Maybe he's just an inconsiderate jerk You do realise that this guy has an entire army of staff around him, coaches, PR, doctors, therapists , his own family and who knows how many more. If those people are falling sick or just testing positive then he is in trouble. It’s in his best interest to keep those people safe no matter how inconsiderate he might be. To assume that this guy and his team are a bunch of morons who don’t know what they are doing is very naive. Such a shame that with all that money and army of advisors/assistants no one advised him not to go out when he knew he was positive and no one could fill out his forms correctly. " And such a shame under Australian law, you're supposed to fill out your forms yourself, and even if you didn't, it's still your fault. | |||
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"How big should a tennis racket need to be to serve him back home over the seaS and continents." The national anthem talks about sharing boundless plains with those who come across the seas, but it's an old tune, I can dig the update | |||
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"And he's gone! Wise move from Australia! " And 6pm on a Friday evening… makes it super hard for him to get and injunction and appeal in time | |||
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"Now, the Aussies can kick him out for not following their rules but that doesn’t make him wrong or a bad person. In Australia it is a criminal offence to make a false statement on an immigration or customs form. And, gee, do they take it seriously. I think that falls into my definition of wrong. " Absolutely. It is a legal declaration, and the person who signs it is fully responsible for its accuracy. Anyway, another day, another twist, the shambles continues. | |||
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"And he's gone! Wise move from Australia! And 6pm on a Friday evening… makes it super hard for him to get and injunction and appeal in time " It will be interesting to see if his ego will allow him to leave without a fuss or force another appeal. | |||
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"As a side note, I hope that Novak, Rafa, Roger never win another major and all get to retire on 20 each. We have been lucky to see three fantastic tennis players over so many years. " I agree, I still think Federer is the GOAT but there is nothing between the 3 of them | |||
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"And he's gone! Wise move from Australia! And 6pm on a Friday evening… makes it super hard for him to get and injunction and appeal in time It will be interesting to see if his ego will allow him to leave without a fuss or force another appeal." My guess would be that he will appeal. Not good at reading the room. | |||
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