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"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, " I was reading the reports from Italy as I spent a lot of time at the end of 2019 on Italy..and am sure I had covid Dec 2019 after a visit to Milan. | |||
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"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. " To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, " When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid. | |||
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"Campbell talks a lot of sense and is always very careful about what he presents as information. His recent video on excess deaths in the UK is truly horrifying and backs up what a lot of people were saying would happen at the time but being written off as Covid deniers, cancelled and worse. A trawl through this forum will quickly give a feel of some of the abuse which was levelled at those who dared to express genuine concerns about what was going on." I do listen to what he says because not everything he says is rubbish. But he has got an awful lot wrong, ivermectin being the biggest elephant in the room mainly citing withdrawn papers and data. He is sometimes not always, very very selective in the data he picks. So use him as a source of information along with a wide breath of sources but always check the science behind it. | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. " But that trustworthy organisation the WHO said after their forensic examination it was a bat in me kitchen. What am I gonna do? | |||
"Campbell talks a lot of sense and is always very careful about what he presents as information. His recent video on excess deaths in the UK is truly horrifying and backs up what a lot of people were saying would happen at the time but being written off as Covid deniers, cancelled and worse. A trawl through this forum will quickly give a feel of some of the abuse which was levelled at those who dared to express genuine concerns about what was going on." To be fair, he has a tendency to misrepresent data to further his chosen narrative. Often presenting specific (real) data but then extrapolating incorrect links to other things. The phrase "follow the money" often pops up on discussion about conspiracy, so it is worth being aware that anyone who is a "big name" on the scene is making millions from social media Clicks and fees for their public speaking. It is always good to question everything, but remember that everyone regardless of their arguments has got their own bias and motivation. Cal | |||
"Campbell talks a lot of sense and is always very careful about what he presents as information. His recent video on excess deaths in the UK is truly horrifying and backs up what a lot of people were saying would happen at the time but being written off as Covid deniers, cancelled and worse. A trawl through this forum will quickly give a feel of some of the abuse which was levelled at those who dared to express genuine concerns about what was going on." Bloke is misleading, has been found out misleading people too, but people have their own choices I guess. | |||
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"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal" I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings. | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings." I don't think I underplayed it at all, I just remained objective. Cooperation could have been better, the team reported what they "thought" that "most likely" source of the virus. Them"s the facts. The Chinese authorities would rather not have allowed outsiders to investigate. They generally don't trust the western world, but obviously that serves to propagate the world's mistrust of China. Cal | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings. I don't think I underplayed it at all, I just remained objective. Cooperation could have been better, the team reported what they "thought" that "most likely" source of the virus. Them"s the facts. The Chinese authorities would rather not have allowed outsiders to investigate. They generally don't trust the western world, but obviously that serves to propagate the world's mistrust of China. Cal" Tomarto Tomayto The investigation was highly compromised whichever way you look at it. If there was nothing to hide then why go to the lengths they did? The content in the report is very carefully worded. Basically nothing is ruled out and nothing is definitive. Arguably it was a waste of time. An attempted whitewash. | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid." An analysis of blood bank samples in Italy found covid 19 in October 2019 samples so I think it's highly possible it was around before that too | |||
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"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings. I don't think I underplayed it at all, I just remained objective. Cooperation could have been better, the team reported what they "thought" that "most likely" source of the virus. Them"s the facts. The Chinese authorities would rather not have allowed outsiders to investigate. They generally don't trust the western world, but obviously that serves to propagate the world's mistrust of China. Cal Tomarto Tomayto The investigation was highly compromised whichever way you look at it. If there was nothing to hide then why go to the lengths they did? The content in the report is very carefully worded. Basically nothing is ruled out and nothing is definitive. Arguably it was a waste of time. An attempted whitewash." The Chinese government go to the length that they do, because they believe that the western investigators would plant evidence and create a false narrative implicating them in some sort of wrong doings presumably because it's what they (the chinese) would do. Obviously to us, their paranoid behaviour makes them look guilty. Cal | |||
"I honestly don't understand how the lab leak was ever dismissed as a conspiracy. Just so happens there's a lab working on coronaviruses, where the virus originates, that also has history with terrible safety violations. Nah, must've been a bat/pangolin/great white buffalo "Lol well said Not as if there hadn't been lab leaks before....New York...rockefeller... Polio But i guess this kinda thing isn't widely known.. | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal" Yes this. It wasn't a conspiracy theory, it a was a credible possible explanation. Considering the facility in Wuhan. | |||
"I honestly don't understand how the lab leak was ever dismissed as a conspiracy. Just so happens there's a lab working on coronaviruses, where the virus originates, that also has history with terrible safety violations. Nah, must've been a bat/pangolin/great white buffalo
Lol well said
Not as if there hadn't been lab leaks before....New York...rockefeller... Polio
But i guess this kinda thing isn't widely known.. "Obviously you can't overlook the fact that the lab was there "because" of location of the bats. Or that there have been previous virus outbreaks linked to these wet markets (such as the 2002 Sars-Cov-1 outbreak) The investigation team concluded that The Lab wasn't the source of the outbreak, because they had zero data on the variant from before the outbreak was recognised. Obviously it IS possible that all of the evidence was destroyed prior to the investigation, but it's a speculative claim with no evidence available to support it. | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid." Italy was suffering what they called a pneumonia epidemic from about October 2019. They were very concerned about the high numbers when I was there in October and late November .. However there have been reports since that have said it was covid not pneumonia... I haven't read anything from Dr Campbell though. Just stuff that was coming out on research | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid. Italy was suffering what they called a pneumonia epidemic from about October 2019. They were very concerned about the high numbers when I was there in October and late November .. However there have been reports since that have said it was covid not pneumonia... I haven't read anything from Dr Campbell though. Just stuff that was coming out on research " But they don't have bat's in wet markets on milan? Or a lab with viruses being made? | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid. Italy was suffering what they called a pneumonia epidemic from about October 2019. They were very concerned about the high numbers when I was there in October and late November .. However there have been reports since that have said it was covid not pneumonia... I haven't read anything from Dr Campbell though. Just stuff that was coming out on research But they don't have bat's in wet markets on milan? Or a lab with viruses being made? " no but they have work houses full of Chinese people working there... apparently | |||
"https://youtu.be/XzPophi-9M Reporting on a study from. Italy where the sars cov 2 virus was known to have been circulating as far back as Sept the 3rd 2019, When it did actually infect people in certain countries is an interesting question. With the exception of China, who hide stuff, you have to conclude it will be a short time before it was officially found,because covid at the beginning spread so easily and rapidly you would see hospitalizations and deaths. Italy would be the first inline as they have a fair amount of Chinese labour. Officially first case in Italy was 31st Jan probably the 1st cases were a few weeks before but I think Sept is unlikely but not impossible. They do know when widespread covid hit in some cities because they can detect it in retrospective sewage samples. Obviously these are very dilute so there has to be quite a few people with covid. Italy was suffering what they called a pneumonia epidemic from about October 2019. They were very concerned about the high numbers when I was there in October and late November .. However there have been reports since that have said it was covid not pneumonia... I haven't read anything from Dr Campbell though. Just stuff that was coming out on research " I am not doubting what you say or a previous poster that commented but shortly after covid was detected in every country pretty much people started ending up in hospital and dying, obviously excepting China who hid everything til it was impossible. | |||
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"It sais that the video is unavailable, is it that for you to? If so I wonder why and did john remove it?" I got the correct right link now too  | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings. I don't think I underplayed it at all, I just remained objective. Cooperation could have been better, the team reported what they "thought" that "most likely" source of the virus. Them"s the facts. The Chinese authorities would rather not have allowed outsiders to investigate. They generally don't trust the western world, but obviously that serves to propagate the world's mistrust of China. Cal Tomarto Tomayto The investigation was highly compromised whichever way you look at it. If there was nothing to hide then why go to the lengths they did? The content in the report is very carefully worded. Basically nothing is ruled out and nothing is definitive. Arguably it was a waste of time. An attempted whitewash. The Chinese government go to the length that they do, because they believe that the western investigators would plant evidence and create a false narrative implicating them in some sort of wrong doings presumably because it's what they (the chinese) would do. Obviously to us, their paranoid behaviour makes them look guilty. Cal" That is quite some reverse psychology leap you made there. The delay of over a year is all anyone needs to know. They covered their tracks. Whether the tracks they were covering was lab leak or poor natural outbreak control protocols, we will never know. | |||
"Also a report by the senate states its looking far more likely that it was man made and noting to do with bats or the fish market. Bloody conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. None of this will be in the main media though. I agree 100% with what you say but I think the previous poster didn't disagree with you either. To be fair, the report doesn't supply any evidence to support that claim. It suggests that a lack of evidence "Critical corroborating evidence" for a jump from animals is enough to cast doubt on the theory. Unlike most of the "conspiracy theories" the idea that the virus was the result of a Lab Leak was always feasible, and was investigated by the teams trying to establish the origins of the virus. Their conclusion was that there was "no supporting evidence" for the theory, and that a "Zoonotic transmission" was "Most Likely". They did also state that they didn't receive the level of cooperation that they would have liked in Wuhan. Unfortunately, we will never know the definitive truth. Cal I think you have underplayed that somewhat. Several of the WHO investigating team were openly critical of a range of factors surrounding the investigation including, but not limited to, the 12 month delay in allowing an investigation, the requirement from the Chinese authorities that every member of the WHO team had a shadowing/corresponding Chinese counterpart, that the final report required each of these Chinese counterparts to both edit and approve any content, that the WHO team were not given unfettered access to various sites including the lab, that the data was incomplete, that the Wuhan lab was not approved to the right level of biosecurity required for the type of work they were doing, etc etc Now that still doesn’t mean it was an accidental lab leak but it is sufficient to cast significant doubt on the findings. I don't think I underplayed it at all, I just remained objective. Cooperation could have been better, the team reported what they "thought" that "most likely" source of the virus. Them"s the facts. The Chinese authorities would rather not have allowed outsiders to investigate. They generally don't trust the western world, but obviously that serves to propagate the world's mistrust of China. Cal Tomarto Tomayto The investigation was highly compromised whichever way you look at it. If there was nothing to hide then why go to the lengths they did? The content in the report is very carefully worded. Basically nothing is ruled out and nothing is definitive. Arguably it was a waste of time. An attempted whitewash. The Chinese government go to the length that they do, because they believe that the western investigators would plant evidence and create a false narrative implicating them in some sort of wrong doings presumably because it's what they (the chinese) would do. Obviously to us, their paranoid behaviour makes them look guilty. Cal That is quite some reverse psychology leap you made there. The delay of over a year is all anyone needs to know. They covered their tracks. Whether the tracks they were covering was lab leak or poor natural outbreak control protocols, we will never know. " | |||
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"They may as well have met in the dog and duck and inspected the spill trays. What can they possibly uncover 3 years on? " Yep the whole WHO investigation was a seriously compromised whitewash. That doesn’t mean it was a lab leak but it also doesn’t rule it out and even the level of likelihood assigned to it was unreliable. | |||
