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Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "Yes 30 years of TRT | |||
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"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "Yep been on cyp or enth for about two years now about 200-250 a week. I only inject once a week, haven’t noticed any difference from bi weekly | |||
 ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps! | |||
"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!"That’s very expensive ! Always wondered what the Voy stuff cost | |||
"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!
That’s very expensive ! Always wondered what the Voy stuff cost "...and that's for the basic package. You can add extras (too boring to explain what) that will significantly increase the price. My mate who suggested it went the same route but now gets his testosterone from "other sources", let's say, but pays to have his bloods analysed every 6 months. I might go that route once I know where my levels are and I know everything is in order. BTW testosterone online only costs around £40 a bottle, and thatll last for months! It's just a case of not getting ripped off by them taking your money and not delivering, or giving you something that's dodgy. | |||
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"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!
That’s very expensive ! Always wondered what the Voy stuff cost
...and that's for the basic package. You can add extras (too boring to explain what) that will significantly increase the price.
My mate who suggested it went the same route but now gets his testosterone from "other sources", let's say, but pays to have his bloods analysed every 6 months. I might go that route once I know where my levels are and I know everything is in order.
BTW testosterone online only costs around £40 a bottle, and thatll last for months! It's just a case of not getting ripped off by them taking your money and not delivering, or giving you something that's dodgy."Yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s about £180 I think for a full test from medi labs plus either go to a clinic £40 or find a nurse to take your bloods. Worth noting I’ve had issues with the kits from medilabs not having a vacuum in them so the kit and time with nurse was wasted. | |||
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"Those who are on it - what was your initial reason and what are the benefits you’re having? " Lack of energy, low sex drive, low mood. Reversed all those and getting stronger at the gym | |||
"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!"Why don’t you just go to you’re Doctor of your prescriptions and get it a yearly prepaid prescription is only £119.00 you can also get a hormone replacement therapy prepaid prescription for £19.80 . | |||
"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!
Why don’t you just go to you’re Doctor of your prescriptions and get it a yearly prepaid prescription is only £119.00 you can also get a hormone replacement therapy prepaid prescription for £19.80 . "England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. | |||
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" England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. " Is 11 low? I've been told it'snormal rrange for a 55 year old. | |||
" England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. Is 11 low? I've been told it'snormal rrange for a 55 year old." Private clinics would class it as low - most private clinics will consider levels up to 15 for treatment. The NHS usually only considers treatment when levels are less than 8. | |||
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" England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. Is 11 low? I've been told it'snormal rrange for a 55 year old." Which is right, men forget or maybe never knew high levels of testosterone can cause huge problems in older age many cases causing severe health issues from heart attacks to strokes hair loss, insomnia, fatigue, high blood pressure and cholesterol problems, you just have to look at the amount of Body builders who have had massive heart attacks and major strokes . Low testosterone starts to drop mid 30s Causing libido problems, erectile dysfunction fatigue which is horrendous. My own TRT 30 years plus was brought on by Testicular Cancer where I lost both testicles my testosterone levels rarely are above 13 I’ve seen them as low as 3 which brings on severe Bradycardia (very low pulse in the 20s bpm) and Tachycardia problems very high pulse 250 bpm . I have a endocrinologist that works with me I have blood tests every 12 weeks which is a new blood cell that give a full coverage of how the levels are, the levels also fluctuate greatly due to physical activity and work . When you have working testicles even with low testosterone output you will never reach extremely low levels as I do on the occasion as you still have some testosterone function . | |||
" England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. Is 11 low? I've been told it'snormal rrange for a 55 year old. Private clinics would class it as low - most private clinics will consider levels up to 15 for treatment. The NHS usually only considers treatment when levels are less than 8. " That's what I heard before and i'm stuck as what to do next. My BP readings are in the perfect zone, no danger of baldness, just a lot of 'meh' and I can't be thered-ness. Lack of dopamine is not helping. | |||
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If i could change one thing. The morning horn. I am not a morning girl. He is like a dog with 2 dicks.  | |||
"Is there a private clinic that offers the end to end TRT treatment - I don’t like to do jab myself so need a nurse to Jab TRT in me " Most online clinics require you to inject yourself. But if injections aren’t for you, you could consider testosterone cream (not gel) that can be very effective. | |||
" England will not prescribed testosterone un less your below the NHS limit with is very low. 8.6 nmol or bellow. Is 11 low? I've been told it'snormal rrange for a 55 year old. Private clinics would class it as low - most private clinics will consider levels up to 15 for treatment. The NHS usually only considers treatment when levels are less than 8. That's what I heard before and i'm stuck as what to do next. My BP readings are in the perfect zone, no danger of baldness, just a lot of 'meh' and I can't be thered-ness. Lack of dopamine is not helping." There’s lots of online clinics you can contact, treatment is generally £100-£200 a month depending on their costs. You would likely need an extra blood test done before starting treatment as NHS bloods don’t usually check all the markers private clinics need, plus a consultation with their doctor. I work in this sector so happy to help with any questions. | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "I have been on TRT testosterone replacement for 8 years now, with repeat prescriptions from NHS initially for Testogel (first 3 years) And transferred to 8 weekly - Nebido 1000 mg/4 ml injection My Bloods are: PSA 2.6 - normal Hematocrit - 0.48 - normal SHBG = 56.3nmol/L Albumin 46g/L Total testosterone 26.7 nmol/L Free testosterone 0.414 nmol/L Bioavailable testosterone 10.4 nmol/L Last DEXA scan shows Bone Density has increased by 12.8% Obviously those of us on TRT testosterone replacement for life become experts in knowledge and understanding of TRT If you are starting TRT, ensure that you have initially had an appointment with a private Consultant Urological Surgeon, ideally a honorary clinical senior lecturer who can give you independent advice regardless of whether you go down NHS or private clinic route | |||
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"If you have read, and understood my above post, here is some basic info of what I experienced before starting on TRT testosterone replacement right upto now. . TRT testosterone replacement: I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range, I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist, I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density. He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture. His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS. NOTE; This is a nhs treatment; I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 8 years now, first 3 years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders. I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well. I average 25 - 28 nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower. My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too. . So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement I suffered Erectile Dysfunction for a year, maybe more, I was unable to achieve or maintain erections and I also had an effeminate shaped body my other symptoms included; • fatigue • lethargy • depression • anxiety • irritability • low libido • erectile dysfunction • reduced exercise tolerance and strength • excessive sweating and night sweats • poor concentration or memory • needing to shave less often (my legs, arms and face were smooth only needed to shave once a week or less. My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life. My overall well being has increased rapidly, my fitness, strength and im even getting considerable noticeable muscles My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required, often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue (embarrassing) Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience. . . Gels or injections?? . With Gels, your Testosterone drops off daily The Gel is rubbed into skin around 8am and your body has "Peak" Testosterone, within an hour this is dropping off which is simillar to a normal healthy man. by night time your levels will be mid teens. Anyone starting on TRT, normally starts on one sachet of Gel, or two pumps if using a pump applicator. your testosterone levels are tested over the month to determine if your level needs increasing. I started on 1 sachet, then increased to 1.5 sachets per day and eventually settled out at 2 sachets per day which gave me my correct body testosterone. . Whey I changed over to injections, I was on 12 weekly injections and my testosterone in blood was tested at week 10. This proved to be LOW, so my testosterone injections were reduced to an injection every 10 weeks and my blood was tested at week 8. At week 8, my testosterone was Low, so I was put on an injection every 8 weeks and blood tested at week 6. Week 6 proved to be satisfactory with my bloods, so I am now on a Testosterone injection every 8 weeks. Please note, it is not only your testosterone that is tested, you have all bloods tested for such as psa monitoring etc." Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels | |||
"If you have read, and understood my above post, here is some basic info of what I experienced before starting on TRT testosterone replacement right upto now. . TRT testosterone replacement: I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range, I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist, I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density. He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture. His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS. NOTE; This is a nhs treatment; I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 8 years now, first 3 years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders. I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well. I average 25 - 28 nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower. My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too. . So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement I suffered Erectile Dysfunction for a year, maybe more, I was unable to achieve or maintain erections and I also had an effeminate shaped body my other symptoms included; • fatigue • lethargy • depression • anxiety • irritability • low libido • erectile dysfunction • reduced exercise tolerance and strength • excessive sweating and night sweats • poor concentration or memory • needing to shave less often (my legs, arms and face were smooth only needed to shave once a week or less. My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life. My overall well being has increased rapidly, my fitness, strength and im even getting considerable noticeable muscles My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required, often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue (embarrassing) Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience. . . Gels or injections?? . With Gels, your Testosterone drops off daily The Gel is rubbed into skin around 8am and your body has "Peak" Testosterone, within an hour this is dropping off which is simillar to a normal healthy man. by night time your levels will be mid teens. Anyone starting on TRT, normally starts on one sachet of Gel, or two pumps if using a pump applicator. your testosterone levels are tested over the month to determine if your level needs increasing. I started on 1 sachet, then increased to 1.5 sachets per day and eventually settled out at 2 sachets per day which gave me my correct body testosterone. . Whey I changed over to injections, I was on 12 weekly injections and my testosterone in blood was tested at week 10. This proved to be LOW, so my testosterone injections were reduced to an injection every 10 weeks and my blood was tested at week 8. At week 8, my testosterone was Low, so I was put on an injection every 8 weeks and blood tested at week 6. Week 6 proved to be satisfactory with my bloods, so I am now on a Testosterone injection every 8 weeks. Please note, it is not only your testosterone that is tested, you have all bloods tested for such as psa monitoring etc. Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels " Or are the private company's saying you low so you signed up to a treatment plan costing £150/month, £1800/year for the rest of your life. Where the NHS just could not fund to put all older men on TRT. | |||
" Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels " NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost | |||
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" Or are the private company's saying you low so you signed up to a treatment plan costing £150/month, £1800/year for the rest of your life. Where the NHS just could not fund to put all older men on TRT. " Spot on, many private companies simply want the cash flow regardless of the person's health Patient beware!!!! . | |||
"Why did you change from gels to injection,I'm just waiting for my final appointment before I get prescribed trt and wondering which you feel the best . " Both Testogel and injection work well as long as they are set up correctly With injection on NHS The injection is every 12 weeks, BUT when first starting you get your first injection then a further boost at 6 weeks, this kicks the cycle into gear and it's 12 week intervals after that. This may be reduced to 10 week intervals or 8 week intervals depending on your blood results but no less than 8 weeks apart. Testogel works more like your bodies normal testosterone cycle You put it on first thing in morning by rubbing the sachet into your shoulders and your skin absorbs it giving you high morning testosterone just like your body This lowers during the day making you ready for your next morning application when you get up next morning. NHS start you on 1 sachet of Testogel, test your bloods, increasing to 1.5 sachets or 2 sachets. People say gels don't work but they had me on a steady 24 - 28 nmol/L per day, plus you can increase if you know your going to need an extra boost on a certain day | |||
" Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost " Bang on, if you go to the doctors with depression (side effect of low test) they’ll happily chuck you packet after packet of anti depressants and ignore any question about test levels. | |||
"Why did you change from gels to injection,I'm just waiting for my final appointment before I get prescribed trt and wondering which you feel the best . Both Testogel and injection work well as long as they are set up correctly With injection on NHS The injection is every 12 weeks, BUT when first starting you get your first injection then a further boost at 6 weeks, this kicks the cycle into gear and it's 12 week intervals after that. This may be reduced to 10 week intervals or 8 week intervals depending on your blood results but no less than 8 weeks apart. Testogel works more like your bodies normal testosterone cycle You put it on first thing in morning by rubbing the sachet into your shoulders and your skin absorbs it giving you high morning testosterone just like your body This lowers during the day making you ready for your next morning application when you get up next morning. NHS start you on 1 sachet of Testogel, test your bloods, increasing to 1.5 sachets or 2 sachets. People say gels don't work but they had me on a steady 24 - 28 nmol/L per day, plus you can increase if you know your going to need an extra boost on a certain day" As far as I'm aware England unlike Scotland dose not proscrib Gel for men it is only available privately. And as said its £150/ Month so its not cheap | |||
"Why did you change from gels to injection,I'm just waiting for my final appointment before I get prescribed trt and wondering which you feel the best . " The gel is far kinder to your body. It isn’t a problem at airports or when traveling where injections outside insulin are . | |||
" Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost Bang on, if you go to the doctors with depression (side effect of low test) they’ll happily chuck you packet after packet of anti depressants and ignore any question about test levels. " All because mental health has become the new norm, people are quite happy the get a wee badge from there Doctor with a wee group of letters after it , it further strengthens there world . But when it’s predisposed from another health issue ie lack of Libido or a problem with ED which is causing the depression walking out of your Doctors surgery with anti depressants medication is crazy, where you should be asking your GP for a full blood count (FBC) plus testosterone markers to see if that is the problem or is it something different . My bloods are done a minimum of 4 times per year my testosterone markers average around 11 to 13 works well for me, that’s on 40ml of Testogel which is the only thing I’ve not had any problems with . I’ve spent the last 30 plus years on TRT due to cancer it’s only taken 25 or so of those years to get something that actually works well without and side effects . | |||
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" NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost " Its basically down to every single individual to look after and control your own health. NHS / GP's / Private clinics see you for 5 or 10 minutes, write up your notes and then onto the next patient It is upto "YOURSELVES" to educate yourself on your own health and decide your own path. Regardless of NHS or Private, you make your own decisions and to do this, you must educate yourself on whatever illness you have. What happens if your GP moves onto another surgery? What happens if your Private Clinic goes Bust? | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "If your on either of them it'll only need to be once weekly, could get away with fortnightly. Dont see the need to inject long esters that often. Prop or Ace then aye. Saves you a daily pain in the arse. | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "Both those esters only need 1 or 2 shots a week . Be warned …. After 5 days your sex drive will be uncontrollable!! | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "If you are running TRT then roughly 150mg a week. Or if you are going to the gym 300mg a week.. Anymore gives me spots | |||
" Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost " The main reason is probably down to cash incentives that GPs get for "pushing" certain medications. For instance weight loss drugs, statins etc. They don't get any for TRT, if they did they'd be pushing them onto you. | |||
"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "Hi I saw your post and know it is directed at men, and wow you have received so many replies. I imagine it's all confusing and a lot to take in. I have endo stuff and a good endo and am F. I won't share details. But I would go with what your endo says and instruct your GP to prescribe. Implants are good, but not sure what your NHS trust provides and many are being stopped due to no supply at moment. Gel - can cause skin irritation. Injection - would go through endo and NHS. Hormones are a 'fucker' no pun intended and endos are great at what they do. Goes way over my head LOL. Hope all goes okay for you. Ps: hormone replacement of testosterone is great, as fatigue and sex drive do come back LOL | |||
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"Friends on Tostron 2% gel, rubs it in the lower abdomen once daily.. can see the change in him. His only complaint is he keeps getting a boner!!! "That's not a bad problem to have   | |||
"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!"Thanks I’m in a similar position had my enhanced test yesterday so waiting results. My concern is the treatment. I have a massive phobia of needles so want to go down the tablet route. Fingers crossed it works out ok….. | |||
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"Ive just started TRT (3rd week). I had ge really malaise, slught brain fog, needing a nap in the day, libido ok but could be better, less motivation going to the gym than in previous years. A friend of mine who's been on it for a while suggested a blood test. I went with Voy. Home fingerprint test showed low total and free testosterone and low red blood cell count. Enhanced test confirmed this. All other markers (around 38) were all good. Had an online consultation then started treatment. I inject 0.2ml of 200mg testosterone cypionate subcutaneously (it doesn't hurt). It takes a while to notice a difference but I'm now feeling my energy is better, my libido is definitely increasing (warning ladies! ) and generally feeling better and sharper.
The dose is quite low (80mg pw), but I'll have bloods done at month 3 and see where I am with my levels and go from there.
I'm looking forward to the longer term results (Better gym Performance and loss of belly fat), and increased energy levels.
It's not cheap though. I pay £129 pm but this covers everything( kit, bloods, consultations etc).
Hope that helps!
Thanks I’m in a similar position had my enhanced test yesterday so waiting results. My concern is the treatment. I have a massive phobia of needles so want to go down the tablet route. Fingers crossed it works out ok….."The tablets offered at Voy are clomid and are not TRT. Clomid can help to give a slight boost to natural testosterone production and can also help to support fertility but some men do not get on with them. You may want to consider testosterone cream instead. | |||
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"Any endocrinologists in here?
Any other guys here on lifelong trt? I have to start soon! Will probably do daily or EOD cypionate or enthanate!
Hopefully will start to feel better!! "Daan31; I've just checked your profile, you are 35 years old, in very good shape, clearly a regular gym attendee, and look very fit, with a clear solid erection. So.....? What is your reason for starting life long TRT? I Look forward to your reply. | |||
" Little update on my post: my Voy results were 10.6 for total testosterone (they say should be 15 - 25.7), free testosterone was 0.172 (0.3 - 0.8). Had NHS bloods done last week. Results are TT 11.2 (6.11 - 25.7). They don't test free testosterone but androgen ratio, which you can calculate free testosterone from, and my free was exactly the same result as Voy (0.172). Moral of the story is, the NHS definition of low is significantly lower than private, so its unlikely the NHS will provide treatment. You might say the NHS knows best, but.the "normal" range according to them is based on mean average of men tested. However, for whatever reason, mens' testosterone in the general population had dropped significantly older the last 30 years. Voy (and others) attempt to bring you to the upper quarter of OPTIMAL levels rather than "normal". Early days for me (3 weeks), but i am definitely beginning to notice improvements in mental clarity, libido, motivation and tiredness levels NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost The main reason is probably down to cash incentives that GPs get for "pushing" certain medications. For instance weight loss drugs, statins etc. They don't get any for TRT, if they did they'd be pushing them onto you. " Aye makes sense mate, wonder how many have been misdiagnosed with depression whrn it’s really low test? Bet it’s a fair few | |||
" NHS are utter dogshit for male hormones mate I not sure why they choose to stay in the dark ages testosterone is pennies to make, glp’s are far more expensive yet they are handing those out left right and centre for those who have ate themselves into obesity so they can’t exactly blame the cost Its basically down to every single individual to look after and control your own health. NHS / GP's / Private clinics see you for 5 or 10 minutes, write up your notes and then onto the next patient It is upto "YOURSELVES" to educate yourself on your own health and decide your own path. Regardless of NHS or Private, you make your own decisions and to do this, you must educate yourself on whatever illness you have. What happens if your GP moves onto another surgery? What happens if your Private Clinic goes Bust?" Haha I did mate I been self medicating since I was 30 | |||
" The main reason is probably down to cash incentives that GPs get for "pushing" certain medications. For instance weight loss drugs, statins etc. They don't get any for TRT, if they did they'd be pushing them onto you. " Interestingly, Private Equity and Venture Capitalists are piling into pushing TRT because it’s hugely profitable. They then pay influencers to push the test because it’s illegal to push the prescription only drugs. I would rather put my trust in NHS endocrinologists than these guys. Some of the things they claim for it seem extremely dubious. Poor sleep is something that comes with getting older. If you sleep poorly you get tired. If your sleep is broken you probably don’t wake up with a raging hardon. It doesn’t mean you have ED. There are a million and one supplements you can get for tiredness, brain fog and all the the other hard to quantify things that come with age for some. I am guessing most if not all don’t work. . Search for the Guardian articles on TRT. They make interesting reading. | |||
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"The NHS is absolutely crap when it comes to treating TRT issues. A lot of trust don't even offer it, there blood testing regime is a joke in terms of how long it takes to get a test and then to get the results (it's the main reason our country's cancer survival rates are so low, poor blood testing!). I go private because I get treated better and better test results which I get sent to me and not my gp and have the hassle of trying to get my results! It's expensive but it suits me, just wish the NHS could be as professional as the private companies! " If your results were sent to both you, and your GP, then maybe your GP would have a better understanding. GP's often refer patients to experts | |||
"The NHS is absolutely crap when it comes to treating TRT issues. A lot of trust don't even offer it, there blood testing regime is a joke in terms of how long it takes to get a test and then to get the results (it's the main reason our country's cancer survival rates are so low, poor blood testing!). I go private because I get treated better and better test results which I get sent to me and not my gp and have the hassle of trying to get my results! It's expensive but it suits me, just wish the NHS could be as professional as the private companies! " Thot is not my experience of the NHS. I have never had a blood test for testosterone but I have had blood tests looking at a broad range of things in the last two years ordered by my GP to investigate what turned out to be a chest infection. The results came back within a few days and were available on the NHS app to view. | |||
