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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport  | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport "Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis? For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me. "Of course economics affects us all. Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers? | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?"I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" " The pound plummeted straight after we voted to leave and hasn’t recovered since  | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The pound plummeted straight after we voted to leave and hasn’t recovered since "It was plummeting beforehand. But has struggled to recover. But is performing well this year. And we will have to see the outcome of the debt ceiling vote coming to see how it will perform in future. But thats thebonly impact i have really felt | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" " The only reason we didn’t suffer more in the immediate aftermath was Carney’s excellent work. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The pound plummeted straight after we voted to leave and hasn’t recovered since
It was plummeting beforehand. But has struggled to recover. But is performing well this year. And we will have to see the outcome of the debt ceiling vote coming to see how it will perform in future.
But thats thebonly impact i have really felt "No it wasn’t | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
"But did you blame everything on them? That's the question I asked. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked."Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point. Sorry about that. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The only reason we didn’t suffer more in the immediate aftermath was Carney’s excellent work. " Excellent work? Lowering the interest rate the putting it back up again 1 year later? Wanna stick with that 1? Given the time lag of 18 mo tha for effect of interest rate policy? | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The only reason we didn’t suffer more in the immediate aftermath was Carney’s excellent work. Excellent work? Lowering the interest rate the putting it back up again 1 year later? Wanna stick with that 1? Given the time lag of 18 mo tha for effect of interest rate policy?" Yes I want to stick with that. Carney’s work was lauded by actual economists - you know, experts. The people you don’t listen to. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The only reason we didn’t suffer more in the immediate aftermath was Carney’s excellent work. Excellent work? Lowering the interest rate the putting it back up again 1 year later? Wanna stick with that 1? Given the time lag of 18 mo tha for effect of interest rate policy?" Carney and the BOE are better qualified and reliable than you are | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that. "Seems that way yeah | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah"That sounds like a *you* problem | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah
That sounds like a *you* problem "Why are you trying to make it personal? I don't have a 'problem', just an observation. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah
That sounds like a *you* problem
Why are you trying to make it personal? I don't have a 'problem', just an observation.
"Doing nothing of the sort. Just making an assumption from what I’ve seen of your posting. Just as you’ve done with me on this thread. Go well | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah
That sounds like a *you* problem
Why are you trying to make it personal? I don't have a 'problem', just an observation.
Doing nothing of the sort. Just making an assumption from what I’ve seen of your posting. Just as you’ve done with me on this thread.
Go well "Oh I see, you don't like me so that means I have a 'problem', got it. The difference here is I took what you've written on this thread alone and made my observation. "responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc" You seem to have forgotten plenty more that has influenced these things in the last 7 years  | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah
That sounds like a *you* problem
Why are you trying to make it personal? I don't have a 'problem', just an observation.
Doing nothing of the sort. Just making an assumption from what I’ve seen of your posting. Just as you’ve done with me on this thread.
Go well
Oh I see, you don't like me so that means I have a 'problem', got it.
The difference here is I took what you've written on this thread alone and made my observation.
"responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc"
You seem to have forgotten plenty more that has influenced these things in the last 7 years "I’ve forgotten nothing of the sort. When did the falling pound commence? When did supply chain issues commence? What’s been the biggest factor in job losses? Why have we recycle recovered from Covid slower than equivalent economies in the EU? Brexit is a substantial factor in all of these - only a fool would pretend otherwise. Still, Sunlit uplands, eh? | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? You'll get the usual 'economic' arguments etc etc. I can say that Brexit hasn't affected my daily life one iota. That's me saying nothing has changed for me in my day to day life. I'd love to retire to the Mediterranean at some point which has been made obviously harder but other than that, maybe longer queues at the airport
Pretending that economic arguments aren’t somehow valid is a bit strange tbf. Doesn’t the economy affect each of us on a daily basis?
For me, travelling is made harder, my retirement plans will likely suffer greatly, and the reduced rights and opportunities for my children is something that will always infuriate me.
Of course economics affects us all.
Let me ask, after 2008, did you blame everything on American Bankers?
I blamed the financial crisis on them, yes. And much damage spiralled from that point. Just as I blame the snake oil salesmen Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Rees-Mogg for Brexit - and they’re responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc
But did you blame everything on them?
That's the question I asked.
Oh I see. You think that I blame everything on Brexit and are trying to score a nonsense point.
Sorry about that.
Seems that way yeah
That sounds like a *you* problem
Why are you trying to make it personal? I don't have a 'problem', just an observation.
Doing nothing of the sort. Just making an assumption from what I’ve seen of your posting. Just as you’ve done with me on this thread.
Go well
Oh I see, you don't like me so that means I have a 'problem', got it.
The difference here is I took what you've written on this thread alone and made my observation.
"responsible for the domino effects, supply chain issues, currency falling, slow recovery lost jobs, reduced rights etc"
You seem to have forgotten plenty more that has influenced these things in the last 7 years
I’ve forgotten nothing of the sort.
When did the falling pound commence? When did supply chain issues commence? What’s been the biggest factor in job losses? Why have we recycle recovered from Covid slower than equivalent economies in the EU?
Brexit is a substantial factor in all of these - only a fool would pretend otherwise.
Still, Sunlit uplands, eh?"I have never argued that Brexit isn't a factor in any of those things. I think you may have me confused for someone who voted for Brexit because was a 'good idea'. However, I'm also not someone who thinks every problem is due to Brexit. There's many factors to a wide range of things - only a fool would pretend otherwise  | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Not brexit itself. The main impact of the vote reducing the value of the pound . Many companies used it to simply profiteer and push prices up like the I phone. The biggest effect was probably the bank.of England becoming more politicised and negligent by carney. Sticking to a narrative of " nothing is out fault" The only reason we didn’t suffer more in the immediate aftermath was Carney’s excellent work. Excellent work? Lowering the interest rate the putting it back up again 1 year later? Wanna stick with that 1? Given the time lag of 18 mo tha for effect of interest rate policy? Yes I want to stick with that. Carney’s work was lauded by actual economists - you know, experts. The people you don’t listen to." No it wasn't. The investors began ignoring his " forward rate guidance" | |||
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"Not made any difference to me. Looking at some of the comments. Job loss: currently more vacancies than pretty much ever. Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Two recent holiday abroad one in Europe. Took 15 mins both ways to get through security. The biggest problem at the moment is bloody public sector workers striking. Happy to give you more pay if you drop your fat cat pension schemes. I pay 5% to my pension and my company matches it. A starting nurse pays 6% and NHS pay 21%. Lower that to 6% and you have your big pay rise." Enjoying that race to the bottom? | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 " Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. | |||
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"Not made any difference to me. Looking at some of the comments. Job loss: currently more vacancies than pretty much ever. Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Two recent holiday abroad one in Europe. Took 15 mins both ways to get through security. The biggest problem at the moment is bloody public sector workers striking. Happy to give you more pay if you drop your fat cat pension schemes. I pay 5% to my pension and my company matches it. A starting nurse pays 6% and NHS pay 21%. Lower that to 6% and you have your big pay rise." They are entitled to strike, why don’t you get a job in the public sector if the pay is so good | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word." 2015 1.40 Now 1.15
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"I didn't say the pay is really good but about 20 years ago the private sector realised that final salary type pensions were not affordable so they stopped them. However the public sector still pay massive pensions on now average salary over last 5 years which is not affordable. But back to the topic of this thread. I agree Brexit was miss sold and there is quite a fee issues but I still think in 20 years we will be better off being outside the EU because it will implode" Fair enough, why do you think the EU will implode? | |||
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"Greece has been bailed out 3 times now, still has a really high debt and unemployment over 16%. I think the stronger nations will not want to continue to bail them out so probably on the 10th time, plus a possibility of other weaker countries needing support, the economics don't make sense. Also I think our economy will recover, already today the pessimistic IMF have changed the UK growth forecast for 2023 from -0.3% to +0.4%. That is a big swing and on Friday when Ofgem lower the energy price cap significantly it may well go above that." So the EU will implode when they have to bail out Greece 10 times? What has the UKs 0.4 % growth forecast go to do with the EU? | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15" "Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word." "2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from??" As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'. | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'." 20% is definitely a ‘plummet ‘ | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'." I Remember when half-a-crown was half a Dollar if that helps. | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'." Sterling suffered its worst one-day drop in history, and went to a 30+ year low immediately during and after the referendum result. I’m not sure what constitutes a plummet to you, but that was a pretty epic one, by anyone’s measure | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'. 20% is definitely a ‘plummet ‘ "It is 17.8% | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " So personally the biggest change for me has been much better work situation both in security and amount. I have not been abroad since covid so am yet to experience the added wait at customs. I love going to Tenerife but if the customs are bad I will probably venture elsewhere as if I'm going to be delayed at customs I may as well experience a new country. If staying in Europe then I hear Portugal allow UK people through the EU lane. Apart from that I can't think of anything else of note | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." " Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? So personally the biggest change for me has been much better work situation both in security and amount. I have not been abroad since covid so am yet to experience the added wait at customs. I love going to Tenerife but if the customs are bad I will probably venture elsewhere as if I'm going to be delayed at customs I may as well experience a new country. If staying in Europe then I hear Portugal allow UK people through the EU lane. Apart from that I can't think of anything else of note" That’s great to hear! I travel a lot and I was caught up in travel mayhem, it was down to many factors such as the air traffic strikes in France, staffing issues at the airports, strikes in the uk and I hit queues coming back in the country but not entering another. | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'. 20% is definitely a ‘plummet ‘
It is 17.8%"17.8 % is definitely a ‘plummet’ | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas." What’s happened with the fishing industry, that usually gets front page? | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'. 20% is definitely a ‘plummet ‘
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17.8 % is definitely a ‘plummet’ "I would suggest it was exaggerated a little after a rise in the £ as the polls and mood looked like a remain win. After the result we saw the market response as the £ went south. It has settled, got better, got worse over time because this is what markets do, they play with our money. I would expect a liberal socialist to understand we are at the mercy of such markets | |||
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"We are way better off since Brexit. It made us realise quite how unfoundedly xenophobic people around us were and how much we were paying for so little and our restrictions of movement which we loved. We moved to Europe pre Brexit and now pay a maximum of 1 euro 20 a beer, have a fabulous farm, have wonderful neighbours and a community that we care about and are involved with and that we can rely on. " That’s great to hear and as the poster above referred too, a can do attitude | |||
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"So far: Queues at the airport / travelling retirement plans could change (not an impact yet) import tax on one item purchased A job loss Reduction in the value of GBP A problem with obtaining some medications Process change at work ---------------------------------------- Travel issues how much of that was knock on effect from covid and getting people back into the industry? Air traffic issues? The channel crossing is a Brexit issue for sure. Retirement plans changing, is that more paperwork? Import tax on an item, if it is still cheaper after tax you are still up?? GBP fluctuations, did that hit hard or has it been the high inflation rate that is causing most pain now? Sorry about the job loss!! That is bad one. Medication availability, not good another bad one depending on the medication. Process change at work, assumption you are being paid to make the change? Overall the impact so far is not as bad as I thought. " I was expecting a lot more, anyone else got a “personal impact” from Brexit | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " watching you all freak out over something the majority voted for. Constantly day in and day out. Probably forever. But it has amusement merits. | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas. What’s happened with the fishing industry, that usually gets front page?" Same as all the other big Brexit promises - they were sold a bunch of lies, and seen none of them come to fruition. Now they’re losing money compared to pre-referendum (around 80m per annum), and suffering labour shortages | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas. What’s happened with the fishing industry, that usually gets front page? Same as all the other big Brexit promises - they were sold a bunch of lies, and seen none of them come to fruition. Now they’re losing money compared to pre-referendum (around 80m per annum), and suffering labour shortages " I have just had a read up on how the UK fishing industry is getting on and it seems not very well... However this issue seems to have been festering away long before brexit was ever a thing. The fact that between 60 - 80% of fish caught in UK waters ends up in the EU and 70% of fish consumed in the UK is imported. I wonder if more people were aware of this they would maybe change their purchasing habits to support the UK fishing industry? The other shocker was the low numbers fishing, approx 11,000. I'm sure Brexit has increased their paperwork, but the big issue is not having a local consumer base, which is shame. | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas. What’s happened with the fishing industry, that usually gets front page? Same as all the other big Brexit promises - they were sold a bunch of lies, and seen none of them come to fruition. Now they’re losing money compared to pre-referendum (around 80m per annum), and suffering labour shortages I have just had a read up on how the UK fishing industry is getting on and it seems not very well... However this issue seems to have been festering away long before brexit was ever a thing. The fact that between 60 - 80% of fish caught in UK waters ends up in the EU and 70% of fish consumed in the UK is imported. I wonder if more people were aware of this they would maybe change their purchasing habits to support the UK fishing industry? The other shocker was the low numbers fishing, approx 11,000. I'm sure Brexit has increased their paperwork, but the big issue is not having a local consumer base, which is shame." I think that post simultaneously hits the nail on the head and underplays the issue. The fact that British eating habits requires imported seafood while European eating habits provided exporting opportunities for indigenous seafood worked absolutely fine while we were in the EU. Of course the current issue could be addressed by a change in diet preferences by Brits but is that going to happen? I don’t recall the Leave campaign saying, British fisherman will be better off outside the EU as long as you all stop eating Icelandic Cod and start eating fish exclusively from British waters! | |||
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"Any fruit farmers or exporters on Fab? “Exports of fruit from the UK to the EU, including traditional English apples and pears, have more than halved since Brexit, according to data released by HMRC." Same as the fishing industry - more turkeys who voted for Christmas. What’s happened with the fishing industry, that usually gets front page? Same as all the other big Brexit promises - they were sold a bunch of lies, and seen none of them come to fruition. Now they’re losing money compared to pre-referendum (around 80m per annum), and suffering labour shortages I have just had a read up on how the UK fishing industry is getting on and it seems not very well... However this issue seems to have been festering away long before brexit was ever a thing. The fact that between 60 - 80% of fish caught in UK waters ends up in the EU and 70% of fish consumed in the UK is imported. I wonder if more people were aware of this they would maybe change their purchasing habits to support the UK fishing industry? The other shocker was the low numbers fishing, approx 11,000. I'm sure Brexit has increased their paperwork, but the big issue is not having a local consumer base, which is shame. I think that post simultaneously hits the nail on the head and underplays the issue. The fact that British eating habits requires imported seafood while European eating habits provided exporting opportunities for indigenous seafood worked absolutely fine while we were in the EU. Of course the current issue could be addressed by a change in diet preferences by Brits but is that going to happen? I don’t recall the Leave campaign saying, British fisherman will be better off outside the EU as long as you all stop eating Icelandic Cod and start eating fish exclusively from British waters! " The industry has been declining over many years, the main market is the EU, however that brings them into conflict with the French fleets. It is an industry in massive decline and agreed Brexit is not a help. | |||
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"The question is how has Brexit impacted you. Some things are shite, some aren't but we're not suffering to an extreme point. It's how you deal with it and who's to say it would've been any better if we were still in the EU? Mystic Meg? " NI has no government. Roads have potholes which are not being repaired. Schools have no money and asking parents to fund basics. Waiting lists are longest in UK. This is as a result of ERG and DUP wanting changes to protocol. This is a direct result impact of brexit and is impacting every person in NI. Negative impact | |||
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"The question is how has Brexit impacted you. Some things are shite, some aren't but we're not suffering to an extreme point. It's how you deal with it and who's to say it would've been any better if we were still in the EU? Mystic Meg? NI has no government. Roads have potholes which are not being repaired. Schools have no money and asking parents to fund basics. Waiting lists are longest in UK. This is as a result of ERG and DUP wanting changes to protocol. This is a direct result impact of brexit and is impacting every person in NI. Negative impact" Apart from having no Govt, welcome to being on par with the rest of the UK
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"The question is how has Brexit impacted you. Some things are shite, some aren't but we're not suffering to an extreme point. It's how you deal with it and who's to say it would've been any better if we were still in the EU? Mystic Meg? NI has no government. Roads have potholes which are not being repaired. Schools have no money and asking parents to fund basics. Waiting lists are longest in UK. This is as a result of ERG and DUP wanting changes to protocol. This is a direct result impact of brexit and is impacting every person in NI. Negative impact Apart from having no Govt, welcome to being on par with the rest of the UK
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"The question is how has Brexit impacted you. Some things are shite, some aren't but we're not suffering to an extreme point. It's how you deal with it and who's to say it would've been any better if we were still in the EU? Mystic Meg? NI has no government. Roads have potholes which are not being repaired. Schools have no money and asking parents to fund basics. Waiting lists are longest in UK. This is as a result of ERG and DUP wanting changes to protocol. This is a direct result impact of brexit and is impacting every person in NI. Negative impact Apart from having no Govt, welcome to being on par with the rest of the UK
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"So far: Queues at the airport / travelling retirement plans could change (not an impact yet) import tax on one item purchased A job loss Reduction in the value of GBP A problem with obtaining some medications Process change at work ---------------------------------------- Travel issues how much of that was knock on effect from covid and getting people back into the industry? Air traffic issues? The channel crossing is a Brexit issue for sure. Retirement plans changing, is that more paperwork? Import tax on an item, if it is still cheaper after tax you are still up?? GBP fluctuations, did that hit hard or has it been the high inflation rate that is causing most pain now? Sorry about the job loss!! That is bad one. Medication availability, not good another bad one depending on the medication. Process change at work, assumption you are being paid to make the change? Overall the impact so far is not as bad as I thought. " For me I don't see any real change apart from wages going up with the reduction in cheep forin labour. So shopping has gone up but income increase has more than covered it. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. " Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. | |||
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"Value of £, let's see history to Euro: 1990 - 1.40 1995 - 1.20 2000 - 1.69 2007 - 1.50 2008 - 1.07 2013 - 1.16 2015 - 1.40 2017 - 1.11 2022 - 1.20 Now - 1.15 Thanks for that. The Brexit view happened in 2016, so if we assume that all of the difference between the 2015 figure and the 2017 figure is down to Brexit, we get a 0.29 drop, or just over 2%. I'm not sure that the poster that said the pound had 'plummeted' was using the right word. 2015 1.40 Now 1.15 Not sure where you get 2% from?? As I said, I took the 2015 figure - 1.40, and subtracted the 2017 figure - 1.11, to get a drop of 0.29. Then my maths went wrong and I got 2% instead of 20%. I picked the 2017 figure to get the largest drop possible. It still isn't much of a 'plummet'. Sterling suffered its worst one-day drop in history, and went to a 30+ year low immediately during and after the referendum result. I’m not sure what constitutes a plummet to you, but that was a pretty epic one, by anyone’s measure " Gold value is stable. Bit coin is more un stable than the pound it all goes up and down like everything in life. Herd to day there will not be help for people with interest rats going up there was no help in the late 80s | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. " Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. " There's a hermit in Snowdonia who also hasn't seen the economic impact. Allegedly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions" How has this impacted you directly? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? " The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? " that is a question not an answer | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer" Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly." And how has it impacted you directly | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly." All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. " A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. " Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. " You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. " All of which impact the economy, do they not? | |||
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" Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. " My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. | |||
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Inflation up, product availability tougher. Poorer with lower quality of life | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. " I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? " Which indirectly affects you. | |||
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" Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. " Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. " You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. | |||
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"Living and working in the EU is not so easily done now
Inflation up, product availability tougher. Poorer with lower quality of life "It has a couple of extra steps but a digital nomad visa basically gives you back freedom of movement in the EU | |||
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" My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed "From September 2021 the UK is no longer part of the ERASMUS scheme | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly." And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. | |||
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" My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed
From September 2021 the UK is no longer part of the ERASMUS scheme"But it has the Turing Scheme. Besides, you don't need a scheme to study abroad. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you." A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. " It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. " So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? " You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. | |||
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" My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed
From September 2021 the UK is no longer part of the ERASMUS scheme
But it has the Turing Scheme. Besides, you don't need a scheme to study abroad."My God-daughter has spent the last Two years studying at Valencia University. She now has moved to Spain, and is working as a teacher. So to say things can't be done, is a falsehood. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly." You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. " 'Which in turn' ie. indirectly. It really doesn't have to be this hard | |||
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" My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed
From September 2021 the UK is no longer part of the ERASMUS scheme
But it has the Turing Scheme. Besides, you don't need a scheme to study abroad.
My God-daughter has spent the last Two years studying at Valencia University.
She now has moved to Spain, and is working as a teacher.
So to say things can't be done, is a falsehood."Nobody is saying things can’t be done. People are saying things have been impacted. Turing on the whole isn’t as good as Erasmus (and we could have expanded study beyond Europe as an EU member regardless). | |||
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" My daughter was a University exchange student in Madrid for a year. That isn't possible now. Yes it is. Although, a visa is needed
From September 2021 the UK is no longer part of the ERASMUS scheme
But it has the Turing Scheme. Besides, you don't need a scheme to study abroad.
My God-daughter has spent the last Two years studying at Valencia University.
She now has moved to Spain, and is working as a teacher.
So to say things can't be done, is a falsehood.
Nobody is saying things can’t be done. People are saying things have been impacted.
Turing on the whole isn’t as good as Erasmus (and we could have expanded study beyond Europe as an EU member regardless)."'That isn't possible now' You really need to read before replying. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. " It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. 'Which in turn' ie. indirectly. It really doesn't have to be this hard "The OP says ‘personally’ I’d argue that we’ve all been impacted personally, for the reasons I’ve outlined. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. 'Which in turn' ie. indirectly. It really doesn't have to be this hard
The OP says ‘personally’
I’d argue that we’ve all been impacted personally, for the reasons I’ve outlined.
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it?" You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. 'Which in turn' ie. indirectly. It really doesn't have to be this hard
The OP says ‘personally’
I’d argue that we’ve all been impacted personally, for the reasons I’ve outlined.
You've been arguing 'directly'. As I said, it doesn't have to be this hard."It’s ok. I know you don’t like to back down when you’re wrong. Have a great day x | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. You said: "Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade." That's what you listed, you're now moving the goalposts. All of which impact the economy, do they not? Which indirectly affects you. A weekend pound impacts me indirectly? You didn't list a weakened pound. Besides, unless you're trading abroad, it doesn't affect you directly. You know a weakened currency also impacts businesses and production, which then in turn…. I suppose if you don’t buy any food, goods, fuel…then maybe you could argue that a weakened currency doesn’t affect you. 'Which in turn' ie. indirectly. It really doesn't have to be this hard
The OP says ‘personally’
I’d argue that we’ve all been impacted personally, for the reasons I’ve outlined.
You've been arguing 'directly'. As I said, it doesn't have to be this hard.
It’s ok. I know you don’t like to back down when you’re wrong.
Have a great day x"Who's wrong bud? Have you been arguing that you were directly affected by those things you listed? Have all of my replies been disagreeing, that they actually affect you indirectly? We can agree on that, I won't argue that you haven't been affected indirectly, we all have to a degree. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man " Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. " Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights." Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? " How many straws did you grab with that clutch? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? " Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? How many straws did you grab with that clutch?" Take a straw yourself, it could turn your frown upside down, or are things so bad that is never going to happen. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " Been to EU countries pleasure and business incl France, Spain, Germany, Austria...not noticed any difference in passport queues from before ( the most annoying and time-consuming aspect seems to be the passport scanners). As for work, not any real difference, the biggest problem is export / import duties, customs, etc, but that's getting used to the documentation involved....it's always been done with non-EU countries. The biggest issue with delays has been stopping the world economy because of Covid and then expecting things to just start up again where they left off. Has Brexit impacted us personally? Not really that we've noticed. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo." what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. " Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. " Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho." *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho." Why is it more ‘stable’ than if we had stayed in the EU? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. " Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. " You’re once again attempting to be the arbiter of what people find important. For some brexiters the importance of leaving the EU was the notion of sovereignty. Do we question how important or impactful that is on their life? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. You’re once again attempting to be the arbiter of what people find important. For some brexiters the importance of leaving the EU was the notion of sovereignty. Do we question how important or impactful that is on their life? " I'm not telling anyone what they think is important, I'm asking people what impact has brexit had on you. If you say it has stopped me from retiring to Italy, I think it is right to challenge that thought, because you can still retire to Italy. Brexit hasn't prevented that, it has made it more of an administration exercise and you need to meet a criteria that shows you can support yourself, have somewhere to live and have medical insurance but surely you would have had those things in place when we part of the EU?? Do you really think brexit has stopped you retiring to Italy? I voted remain but not remaining hasn't made life a glass half empty. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. You’re once again attempting to be the arbiter of what people find important. For some brexiters the importance of leaving the EU was the notion of sovereignty. Do we question how important or impactful that is on their life? I'm not telling anyone what they think is important, I'm asking people what impact has brexit had on you. If you say it has stopped me from retiring to Italy, I think it is right to challenge that thought, because you can still retire to Italy. Brexit hasn't prevented that, it has made it more of an administration exercise and you need to meet a criteria that shows you can support yourself, have somewhere to live and have medical insurance but surely you would have had those things in place when we part of the EU?? Do you really think brexit has stopped you retiring to Italy? I voted remain but not remaining hasn't made life a glass half empty. " I have never said Brexit has stopped me retiring to Italy. I said it has made it less certain, more expensive, and more complicated. Which I’m sure you’ll agree is an impact - which is what you requested. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. " Blimey. | |||
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"Only 2 things that I have been affected directly by to my knowledge. Getting a booking at a garage to get my car fixed. All the guys in the trade are saying its taking longer to get parts and can't plan work like before. The supply of fruit and veg. More shortages and the quality is lower. Thats probably a combination of the weather and Brexit. Another thing not effecting me directly but been told by my friends who run restaurants. Problems with suppliers and getting stock like wine and some other items." I heard getting hold of car parts was an issue on the radio last week, it is driving up theft from cars! People going out to their cars to find the whole front of the car has been stripped. Why or how is that a brexit issue, same with the wine? | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions How has this impacted you directly? The economy impacts everyone directly, does it not? that is a question not an answer Ok. The economy impacts everyone directly. All of the things you listed surely impact you indirectly. Not directly. A weakened pound impacts me directly. Loss of FoM impacts me directly. Can you tell me how many times you were in the EU greater than 3 months in every 6 over the last 10 years. I can tell you I was planning on retiring to Italy (as I’ve told you before) So the loss of FoM impacts me directly. You can still do that, only now you will need to apply directly. And that visa can be refused, withdrawn etc, and had a cost attached. So we’re agreed that Brexit has impacted me directly. It can be refused but highly unlikely if you meet the required entrance criteria. It will only have an impact when you choose to make the move, and by then things might have changed again. So once again, brexit has impacted me directly. It will not impact you until you decide to move. It will impact you now if you know for a fact that you do not meet the entry criteria to retire in Italy. Which one is it? You asked for personal reasons why Brexit has impacted people, and now want to argue that they’re wrong. I.E that you know more about them than they do. This place, man Which one is it? If you answer that you know that you don't meet the entry requirements for Italy to enable your retirement, I would agree that is a direct impact of brexit. Whether I do or I don’t, it’s a direct impact. Financially and in citizens rights. Not until you decide to do it, thinking about doing it isn't a commitment. The other thing to consider is the BENEFIT brexit will bring to you should you decide to retire. Applying to retire formally with an Elective Residence Visa will allow you to live in Italy worry free. Imagine if you had retired to Italy and the UK left the EU while you were there. That was always an uncertainty, now you can retire with certainty. Surely certainty of your future is a benefit? Fair play to you. This is by far the funniest attempt at a brexit benefit I've ever seen. Bravo. what is funny about it? it has been reported as many as 10K pensioners ended their retirement in an EU country post brexit. Many not being able qualify for secure permanent residency. If Funfella still wants to retire to Italy has he said, and he meets the criteria he will get permanent residency. No background worries which will be nice in retirement, a more solid foundation. Just so we're clear. You're suggesting that the benefit here is that it's already been made harder to retire in an EU country, so those that are able to, don't have to worry about it being made more difficult, because it's already happened. Bravo. This is really funny. It's like the benefit of being punched in the face by Mike Tyson. It's already happened, so less likely to happen again. Qualifying to retire in an EU country now is far more stable, with retired UK citizens having a more solid retirement base in their chosen country. Not sure how Mike Tyson plays into this but hey ho. *Far more difficult. This is really funny though. Excellent, because this is exactly the same BS that litters the forum everyday by people blaming Brexit for everything that is wrong in the world. You could see the argument was based on the most tenuous of links, and you actually found it funny as in disbelief. Welcome to the world of BS Brexit reasons and excuses, Brexit has taken away freedom of movement that I used 2 weeks of the year when I visited Turkey, I can’t retire in the EU, yes you can, name a Brexit benefit, go on I bet you can’t…. The thread asked what Brexit change has impacted you personally, so far here has been very little to report back on other than one person lost a job which was unfortunate, there must be something other than I wanted to retire in the EU….. You’re once again attempting to be the arbiter of what people find important. For some brexiters the importance of leaving the EU was the notion of sovereignty. Do we question how important or impactful that is on their life? I'm not telling anyone what they think is important, I'm asking people what impact has brexit had on you. If you say it has stopped me from retiring to Italy, I think it is right to challenge that thought, because you can still retire to Italy. Brexit hasn't prevented that, it has made it more of an administration exercise and you need to meet a criteria that shows you can support yourself, have somewhere to live and have medical insurance but surely you would have had those things in place when we part of the EU?? Do you really think brexit has stopped you retiring to Italy? I voted remain but not remaining hasn't made life a glass half empty. I have never said Brexit has stopped me retiring to Italy. I said it has made it less certain, more expensive, and more complicated. Which I’m sure you’ll agree is an impact - which is what you requested." That is the first time you have put it like that, and if you do retire it brexit will have caused some extra expense and complications | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. | |||
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"Only 2 things that I have been affected directly by to my knowledge. Getting a booking at a garage to get my car fixed. All the guys in the trade are saying its taking longer to get parts and can't plan work like before. The supply of fruit and veg. More shortages and the quality is lower. Thats probably a combination of the weather and Brexit. Another thing not effecting me directly but been told by my friends who run restaurants. Problems with suppliers and getting stock like wine and some other items. I heard getting hold of car parts was an issue on the radio last week, it is driving up theft from cars! People going out to their cars to find the whole front of the car has been stripped. Why or how is that a brexit issue, same with the wine? " Grit on the system. If there are shortages the country of origin is supplied first. We are no longer "domestic", so there is a bit more hassle. We are at the end of the European queue as land roots outside the EU are easier than a sea crossing. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness." I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one" Easy and NotMe on the money here. Just all harder than it used to be! Very wearing! | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one Easy and NotMe on the money here. Just all harder than it used to be! Very wearing!" I'm agreeing with Easy here too (don't say that too often) | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one"
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading). | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading)."Jezza is making a comeback - FREE FOR ALL is his strapline | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one" The next GE Will hopefully bring one. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one Easy and NotMe on the money here. Just all harder than it used to be! Very wearing! I'm agreeing with Easy here too (don't say that too often) "BBC WEATHER: An unseasonal cold front so severe it is being dubbed THE BEAST has caused a complete freeze over in Hell today. Experts are at a loss to explain why! Local resident S Atan is quoted as saying “those Fab fuckers have ruined my popcorn crop!” | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading)."Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins. The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good. A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular: Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service. Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays Scrap HS2 | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one Easy and NotMe on the money here. Just all harder than it used to be! Very wearing! I'm agreeing with Easy here too (don't say that too often)
BBC WEATHER:
An unseasonal cold front so severe it is being dubbed THE BEAST has caused a complete freeze over in Hell today. Experts are at a loss to explain why!
Local resident S Atan is quoted as saying “those Fab fuckers have ruined my popcorn crop!”" | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
"Stick those in a manifesto you have my vote | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
"Scrapping HS2 would be very popular short term - but it’s actually a beneficial project (if it were completed to its original plan). It’s been a mess. Started from the wrong end, with the benefits being incorrectly sold (it’s not about journey time, it’s about creating capacity and reducing the strain on the existing network) | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
"But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation? I agree with them btw. I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes."It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right | |||
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"Only 2 things that I have been affected directly by to my knowledge. Getting a booking at a garage to get my car fixed. All the guys in the trade are saying its taking longer to get parts and can't plan work like before. The supply of fruit and veg. More shortages and the quality is lower. Thats probably a combination of the weather and Brexit. Another thing not effecting me directly but been told by my friends who run restaurants. Problems with suppliers and getting stock like wine and some other items. I heard getting hold of car parts was an issue on the radio last week, it is driving up theft from cars! People going out to their cars to find the whole front of the car has been stripped. Why or how is that a brexit issue, same with the wine? " According to the the garage owners i have spoken to. They use to order a part today, and it would arrive the next day. Now it can be 3 to 10 days because its coming from Europe and it depends on how quick the lorries getting through port checks. So in the garages I use, the one that use to be not so busy and use to tell you to come in tomorrow or following day, says now next week or the week after. The busy one use to say 2 weeks, now says 4 to 6 weeks. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes.
It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right"Fair enough | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes.
It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right
Fair enough "I think we keep throwing money at the all the wrong things and we have so many lessons from the last 3 years that we could go balls in and really provide services and future safety and prosperity to the nation over the next 10-15 years. The message alone could rejuvenate the countries spirit, and now I have said that I think it is even simpler, we need a plan we can get behind. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes.
It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right
Fair enough
I think we keep throwing money at the all the wrong things and we have so many lessons from the last 3 years that we could go balls in and really provide services and future safety and prosperity to the nation over the next 10-15 years.
The message alone could rejuvenate the countries spirit, and now I have said that I think it is even simpler, we need a plan we can get behind. "Big Jezza - FREE FOR ALL. That's all we need, I'm telling you | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes.
It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right
Fair enough
I think we keep throwing money at the all the wrong things and we have so many lessons from the last 3 years that we could go balls in and really provide services and future safety and prosperity to the nation over the next 10-15 years.
The message alone could rejuvenate the countries spirit, and now I have said that I think it is even simpler, we need a plan we can get behind.
Big Jezza - FREE FOR ALL.
That's all we need, I'm telling you "Well Old Spaffer Johnson is available for some consultancy. He’ll tell you where all the money went and you can reclaim it from his chums n cronies to create a war chest to get started on your pet projects! | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? Recruitment for technical staff, both qualified and new has become much harder. Contract and permanent payroll costs have risen as a consequence. It is much more complicated to navigate the work visa system and a bigger gamble if it doesn't work out. For both parties. Transport of components, particularly one off or sporadic is far less reliable and more expensive. That makes project planning and delivery much harder. This extends timelines and adds contingency and risk which ultimately adds cost. Holidaying to the EU now just that bit more stressful as rules are less clear and takes that bit more time with immigration etc. The country is all just a bit angrier and more confrontational than it used to be. This is the root of most things. Brexit has not single-handedly brought disaster, it just makes everything a little bit worse, from prices to friendliness. I think you are on the money with the country being angrier and more confrontational. We have had 2 of the biggest events in my lifetime Brexit and Covid followed by a war and each one has stressed, is stressing our supply chains. the country needs a win, I think it is time for one
What will the win be though? (Open ended question, not specifically asking you, just anyone reading).
Maybe it isn't one win but a number of wins.
The first thing I can think of is changing the government, although I have my reservations about SKS and the labour party it could be a mood changer for the good.
A few things that have been on the forum thatI think are good ideas and could be very popular:
Nationalise our essential services, but nationalise with a view of outsourcing the running of to maximise customer satisfaction whilst owning the core product / service.
Outlaw price hikes on family holidays during school holidays
Scrap HS2
But can you cost them? Or are we just saying fuck the costs, it's for the benefit of the nation?
I agree with them btw.
I'd add a tax reform in the sense of making it simpler. There's too many different taxes.
It is time to fuck the costs and get the house in order. Do it once and do it right
Fair enough
I think we keep throwing money at the all the wrong things and we have so many lessons from the last 3 years that we could go balls in and really provide services and future safety and prosperity to the nation over the next 10-15 years.
The message alone could rejuvenate the countries spirit, and now I have said that I think it is even simpler, we need a plan we can get behind.
Big Jezza - FREE FOR ALL.
That's all we need, I'm telling you
Well Old Spaffer Johnson is available for some consultancy. He’ll tell you where all the money went and you can reclaim it from his chums n cronies to create a war chest to get started on your pet projects!"I think he's had enough of the public purse. I'd rather pay TB | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? " I personally get to see the country run by people who would never have got a sniff of a Ministerial job (and whatever Dominic Cummings was) if it wasn't for every non-Brexiteer being hounded out of the Conservative party. Also years of distraction from actually making people's lives better through the endless cycle of negotiations to leave the EU followed by renegotiation. On top of that the psycho-drama of the Conservative party's civil war. All directly as a consequence of Brexit as it has infected the news for eight years. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? I personally get to see the country run by people who would never have got a sniff of a Ministerial job (and whatever Dominic Cummings was) if it wasn't for every non-Brexiteer being hounded out of the Conservative party. Also years of distraction from actually making people's lives better through the endless cycle of negotiations to leave the EU followed by renegotiation. On top of that the psycho-drama of the Conservative party's civil war. All directly as a consequence of Brexit as it has infected the news for eight years." Agree with the above along with the utter social division which has arisen. However, in a minor point I want to buy a Rose road bike… Rose now no longer ship to the UK due to brexit (see their website- explicitly stated) so now I need to drive to Germany to get my bike…. | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? I personally get to see the country run by people who would never have got a sniff of a Ministerial job (and whatever Dominic Cummings was) if it wasn't for every non-Brexiteer being hounded out of the Conservative party. Also years of distraction from actually making people's lives better through the endless cycle of negotiations to leave the EU followed by renegotiation. On top of that the psycho-drama of the Conservative party's civil war. All directly as a consequence of Brexit as it has infected the news for eight years. Agree with the above along with the utter social division which has arisen. However, in a minor point I want to buy a Rose road bike… Rose now no longer ship to the UK due to brexit (see their website- explicitly stated) so now I need to drive to Germany to get my bike…." Can’t you arrange a DHL, FedEx or UPS pick up and drop off? Or are trying to fly under the tax radar | |||
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"The GBP also devalued against the USD, especially in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit referendum. So combined with a reduction against the Euro, it means pretty much everything has got more expensive for people in the UK." I've bought a few things from UK and had to pay Irish customs taxes on them. There are a lot of British people who found Irish grandparents, so they could get EU passport. | |||
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"The question is how has Brexit impacted you. Some things are shite, some aren't but we're not suffering to an extreme point. It's how you deal with it and who's to say it would've been any better if we were still in the EU? Mystic Meg? NI has no government. Roads have potholes which are not being repaired. Schools have no money and asking parents to fund basics. Waiting lists are longest in UK. This is as a result of ERG and DUP wanting changes to protocol. This is a direct result impact of brexit and is impacting every person in NI. Negative impact Apart from having no Govt, welcome to being on par with the rest of the UK
BTW, isn't your location in the Republic?"Good spot, Co Donegal | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? I personally get to see the country run by people who would never have got a sniff of a Ministerial job (and whatever Dominic Cummings was) if it wasn't for every non-Brexiteer being hounded out of the Conservative party. Also years of distraction from actually making people's lives better through the endless cycle of negotiations to leave the EU followed by renegotiation. On top of that the psycho-drama of the Conservative party's civil war. All directly as a consequence of Brexit as it has infected the news for eight years. Agree with the above along with the utter social division which has arisen. However, in a minor point I want to buy a Rose road bike… Rose now no longer ship to the UK due to brexit (see their website- explicitly stated) so now I need to drive to Germany to get my bike…. Can’t you arrange a DHL, FedEx or UPS pick up and drop off? Or are trying to fly under the tax radar" yes i could do so it’s no biggie - tbh i am quite happy to have an excuse for a weekend roadtrip to Germany ?? | |||
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"Every day we see posts blaming Brexit for any number of things, some have the most tenuous of links to Brexit in my opinion, and that has got me thinking! What has been the impact of Brexit to you personally? I personally get to see the country run by people who would never have got a sniff of a Ministerial job (and whatever Dominic Cummings was) if it wasn't for every non-Brexiteer being hounded out of the Conservative party. Also years of distraction from actually making people's lives better through the endless cycle of negotiations to leave the EU followed by renegotiation. On top of that the psycho-drama of the Conservative party's civil war. All directly as a consequence of Brexit as it has infected the news for eight years. Agree with the above along with the utter social division which has arisen. However, in a minor point I want to buy a Rose road bike… Rose now no longer ship to the UK due to brexit (see their website- explicitly stated) so now I need to drive to Germany to get my bike…. Can’t you arrange a DHL, FedEx or UPS pick up and drop off? Or are trying to fly under the tax radar yes i could do so it’s no biggie - tbh i am quite happy to have an excuse for a weekend roadtrip to Germany ??" A side order of Brexit benefit | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. Productivity down. Imports down. Exports down. New deals insufficient to replace lost trade. From the OBR: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions" So do you always expect growth grow grow grow.. | |||
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"The economic impact has been dramatic and undeniable - of course the day-to-day depends on individuals, their work, their family/relationships etc. some have had to pay lots for citizenship stuff that they previously never had to consider, others have seen businesses collapse or customer bases decline. The proof of the pudding is when even ardent brexiters struggle to give a cogent argument on what benefits we’ve seen since leaving. Sorry you say The economic impact can you be more specific as I personally have not seen it. There's a hermit in Snowdonia who also hasn't seen the economic impact. Allegedly." Yes things are more expensive but due to the lack of cheap labour income is up business is booming to be honest. So not noticed an economic impact. Still booki g holidays to nice places. And interest on savings and investment is doing well.. | |||
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