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Should this site have TS as status?
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I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
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By *9alMan 14 weeks ago
Bridgend |
"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John"
its not as simple as that, what about TS at the start of the journey ? top but not bottom surgery? how people think of themselves may not coincide with how others see them, some TVs are very feminine not all TS are |
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By *ucka39Man 14 weeks ago
Newcastle |
"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John
its not as simple as that, what about TS at the start of the journey ? top but not bottom surgery? how people think of themselves may not coincide with how others see them, some TVs are very feminine not all TS are "
Hi
it's not about how others may see the individual but more so how they see themselves as a gender |
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It's very private personal information and may not go as successfully for some, as we'd wish it to. It should be for our benefit only, not for others', including their facility. In almost 20 years, it's been done to death here |
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"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John"
This has been asked for many times but always gets ignored. |
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The options for ‘sexuality’ as it’s called, are pretty embarrassing all around for 2023 it has to be said. It comes across as being put together in the last millennium, and to be honest I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if it was in fact the actual case. |
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It's going to be very hard to keep everyone happy. On the one hand, you shouldn't have to classify yourself, but on the other, you have to accept that people with specific preferences are going to be searching for you, that's the nature of the site.
My 2p would be to have:
- TS (Pre)
- TS (Post)
- TS (Unspecified/Mind your own business)
So it's optional whether you disclose pre/post etc, and those that have a specific preference can choose whether to exclude the unspecified
I'd also question controversially whether CD/TV even needs to on the list, when cross dressing is a searchable option on the "likes" list |
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TV/TS is such an old out dated and insulting term for transgender people.
I'm transgender female to male but refuse to label what is seen as a slur to some of us.
I think CD - transgender male - transgender female and non binary should be added.
If another certain website can do it, so can here. |
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This has been mentioned so many times in the forum. I don't know who is a really running this site but no suggestions from the forums have ever been implemented on fab.
Suggestions are a waste of effort here |
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This website has barely changed in years. I doubt they would implement this.
Whenever this gets brought up there's an influx of crossdresses defending the site and saying it's fine, as if they are speaking on behalf of trans.
Even "TV" is such an outdated term. |
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We messaged the site a while ago about this. We would meet ftm as we have a close family member who is this. We said they should use transgender or TG as a status as its the correct term and have TV or CD as an alternative. Not a big change, but would really help. |
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By *lsiePTV/TS 10 weeks ago
Gateshead |
Trans women and crossdressers are completely different. The categories should exist for us to identify ourselves, bit as a way to categorise us for people who want to have sex with us.
Even then, I imagine plenty of people would rather have a crossdresser and not a transgender person, just like plenty of other people would rather the reverse.
The labels being merged helps nobody. |
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By *unchalMan 10 weeks ago
Dartford |
"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John"
No! |
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By *J GeminiTV/TS 10 weeks ago
Northumberland |
"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John"
I agree 100%, there should be a TS category.
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"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John"
should also have bi , as a filter on all |
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Site changes to CD/TV and adds Transgender or TS.
New thread will be started not long after.
‘Why do so many TV or Men put themselves in the wrong category ?’
‘The TS category should have post and pre op’
‘Why is there a TS category when those Trans Women could just label themselves as women ?’
‘Noticed that the most attractive Trans Women aren’t using the TS category’
Or some such thread.
Let’s be honest on a sex site, what people who want the category changing really want….
‘Can we have a category for women with a penis who are attractive or feminine looking’
I doubt the majority of the people who want to meet a Trans Woman really want her without the fun bits.
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Simply Fix with a TS/TG category. Then doesn't matter what stage of the journey we are on.
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"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John
its not as simple as that, what about TS at the start of the journey ? top but not bottom surgery? how people think of themselves may not coincide with how others see them, some TVs are very feminine not all TS are "
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"Simply Fix with a TS/TG category. Then doesn't matter what stage of the journey we are on.
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I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
John
its not as simple as that, what about TS at the start of the journey ? top but not bottom surgery? how people think of themselves may not coincide with how others see them, some TVs are very feminine not all TS are "
Just wanted to say Daniella I think you are one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen xx your profile is inspiring xx |
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TS isn't really a thing though. transsexual implies changing sexuality.
The general term currently used for trans people is transgender, TG, but even that is problematic as it is also a blanket term to describe the whole trans spectrum, TV CD and others.
Transwoman, transfemale, transfeminine, Transman, transmale, transmasculine. There are a few different options which would suit the descriptor better.
But, as has been pointed out, even that isn't clear cut. The OP states a preference for post op transwomen and pre/non op transmen, many men interested in transwomen want pre-op.
My personal thought, use one of the descriptors I mention or abbreviate them and potentially add an option for pre-op, however, if a transwoman has had genital surgery I would expect them to drop the trans part and just register as female
But, don't hold your breath as this has been mentioned many times in the past and the site owners show no interest in changing things.
as a postscript, I would also say that swinger clubs are getting just as bad as many appear to be treating transwomen as transvestites, the discrimination is actually getting worse not better
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By *anpussTV/TS 2 weeks ago
Cardiff |
"TS isn't really a thing though. transsexual implies changing sexuality.
The general term currently used for trans people is transgender, TG, but even that is problematic as it is also a blanket term to describe the whole trans spectrum, TV CD and others.
Transwoman, transfemale, transfeminine, Transman, transmale, transmasculine. There are a few different options which would suit the descriptor better.
But, as has been pointed out, even that isn't clear cut. The OP states a preference for post op transwomen and pre/non op transmen, many men interested in transwomen want pre-op.
My personal thought, use one of the descriptors I mention or abbreviate them and potentially add an option for pre-op, however, if a transwoman has had genital surgery I would expect them to drop the trans part and just register as female
But, don't hold your breath as this has been mentioned many times in the past and the site owners show no interest in changing things.
as a postscript, I would also say that swinger clubs are getting just as bad as many appear to be treating transwomen as transvestites, the discrimination is actually getting worse not better
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100% agree with the last bit, and adding that most just treat trans men as women *from my experience at clubs*. Even the clubs that are extremely vocal about being inclusive online, generally are not as inclusive as they like to think they are. |
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"I think it's wrong to have CD/TV lumped in with TS - surely this isn't right ?
I'm interested in FTM and post op MTF *not* cd/tv guys... there is a big difference... why do the owners persist in this ??
Johnshould also have bi , as a filter on all "
Bi comes under sexual orientation which is completely different to the current topic. |
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"TS isn't really a thing though. transsexual implies changing sexuality.
The general term currently used for trans people is transgender, TG, but even that is problematic as it is also a blanket term to describe the whole trans spectrum, TV CD and others.
Transwoman, transfemale, transfeminine, Transman, transmale, transmasculine. There are a few different options which would suit the descriptor better.
But, as has been pointed out, even that isn't clear cut. The OP states a preference for post op transwomen and pre/non op transmen, many men interested in transwomen want pre-op.
My personal thought, use one of the descriptors I mention or abbreviate them and potentially add an option for pre-op, however, if a transwoman has had genital surgery I would expect them to drop the trans part and just register as female
But, don't hold your breath as this has been mentioned many times in the past and the site owners show no interest in changing things.
as a postscript, I would also say that swinger clubs are getting just as bad as many appear to be treating transwomen as transvestites, the discrimination is actually getting worse not better
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A massive shout out to After Dark in Edinburgh. Thank you for treating me so well on my last couple of visits. Trans women, you will be welcome here xx  |
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Thank you kindly Amelie. Blush blush! My point is that TS is an outdated term for trans women which many of us don’t like. (As ever I speak for all trans women when I say I don’t speak for all trans women!). xx |
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"Yeah, think it's a difference.
TV is like dressing up as a fetish often as a secret, TS is when you do it openly all the time.
You really think that’s the difference between tv and ts?"
Honestly? Yeah. TS is a personality, TV is a kink |
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Yes I agree. there is a difference between a TS and a TV/cd.im not really attracted by TVs or CDs as most are just hairy guys wearing women's underwear,but a TS is a guy who wants to be a woman and looks like a woman and they are sexy as hell.been lucky enough to fuck one or two and they are such a turn on and yes should be classed separately. |
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"Yes I agree. there is a difference between a TS and a TV/cd.im not really attracted by TVs or CDs as most are just hairy guys wearing women's underwear,but a TS is a guy who wants to be a woman and looks like a woman and they are sexy as hell.been lucky enough to fuck one or two and they are such a turn on and yes should be classed separately."
The identification process should only be done for the requirements of the trans person, not those who may be attracted to them etc. There have been extensive discussions about this, for almost 20 years in Fab. |
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"Yes I agree. there is a difference between a TS and a TV/cd.im not really attracted by TVs or CDs as most are just hairy guys wearing women's underwear,but a TS is a guy who wants to be a woman and looks like a woman and they are sexy as hell.been lucky enough to fuck one or two and they are such a turn on and yes should be classed separately."
you are totally wrong and a bit naive assuming every tv is a hairy guy wearing feminine clothing.
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"Yes I agree. there is a difference between a TS and a TV/cd.im not really attracted by TVs or CDs as most are just hairy guys wearing women's underwear,but a TS is a guy who wants to be a woman and looks like a woman and they are sexy as hell.been lucky enough to fuck one or two and they are such a turn on and yes should be classed separately.you are totally wrong and a bit naive assuming every tv is a hairy guy wearing feminine clothing. "
You're right, some are just accidentally metrosexual men who neither eat nor work out  |
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I agree totally.... Transvetites/Cross Dressers & Transexuals should definitely not be in the same bracket. It's very clear to see some Trans are very much women
We wouldn't put Men & Women in the same bracket would we.... |
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"They should have TG not TS and then crossdresser/TV. They should also just have trans woman and trans man as well as NB, GQ, and agender."
Ridiculous ... so many abbreviations. What does NB and GQ even mean?
You're either male, female, transitioning from one to the other (trans), or a TV.
The rest can go into the profile description. |
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"Yes I agree. there is a difference between a TS and a TV/cd.im not really attracted by TVs or CDs as most are just hairy guys wearing women's underwear,but a TS is a guy who wants to be a woman and looks like a woman and they are sexy as hell.been lucky enough to fuck one or two and they are such a turn on and yes should be classed separately.you are totally wrong and a bit naive assuming every tv is a hairy guy wearing feminine clothing. "
I said most TVs CDs,not all.this is from my experience of this site and seeing some at clubs.a TS is so much more sexy and feminine than a hairy stocky guy in his wifes panties!!!
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You're very pretty btw.