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By *yphod OP Man
over a year ago
London |
Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? |
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
Ooh thats one big sweeping allegation.. or just a dig at the club you mention?? |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
I have given up going to clubs unless I am meeting people there.
I never saw any working Girls when I went to Paradise Spa. I do know the LAPC the guy hired the place to.run bis own nights and had pornstars,and a few.other women that were being paid to attend. In a Weds.
Some clubs do allow evenings like this to bring in revenue |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
Depends some.of the girls in LAPC are ladies that like a lot of male attention and do it as a hobby. Some are pornstars who do.the party circuit.
Like all things nothing is straightforward |
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We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long. |
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Paradise spa only had working gals on a Wednesday,other times especially weekends were naturist and swingers nights
Any guys that attended wednesdays that expected the same other times,soon learnt it wasn't the same
Also not all spa's offer extra's most are very professional and have a reputation to withhold,I've seen guys moan they didn't get any extra |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"What's LAPC?
London Adult Party Club, I think."
. Yeah LAPC is London Adult Party Club before Covid19 they were based in Central London Holborn or Oxford Circus I think.Use to be another one called London Swingers Party based in Barons Court then Camden I think they stopped a couple of years ago |
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I think this is a pretty poor post given that most clubs are fighting for survival.
If you’re going to spread rumour & innuendo, try to specify which clubs you’re talking about, rather than tar all clubs with the same brush!
The vast majority of clubs do things in the right way, they do not allow working girls to attend parties & they provide a safe environment for all guests to be themselves and enjoy the experience.
If people can’t cope with not getting guaranteed play, then they aren’t the right people to attend clubs |
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By *yphod OP Man
over a year ago
London |
Why would be make and shame and put a club at risk.
It's an observation I have in the UK and abroad, I have no real opinion on the matter. Just wanted the see what the overall feelings is? |
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There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no. |
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"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long."
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!! |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!"
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
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. As a single guy I went to Paradise spa occasionally on a Saturday as you could get there any time in the evening.As much as I like Rios as a single guy you have to wait until midnight to get in. OP4F also allow 5 single select guys but again you have to register between 12-3 and wait for a txt at about 7.00 pm to see if you are one of the 5 select guys and again wait until midnight which I have done occasionally. |
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
Is this the 1950's....you do realise women work  |
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Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
I am going to state whilst I don’t know for sure that for sure there has been working girls in clubs I would state it’s more than likely
I am going to be a bit stereotypical here older gentleman and younger than me very very attractive lady. Often the couple won’t swap and the lady won’t others join in. I would suggest that these have been organised outside the club by the gentlemen ordering a lady.
For me this is very different for a club organising working girls |
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By *yphod OP Man
over a year ago
London |
I remember Paradise spa and the Wednesday party, advertised as a day time swinging event, without any real indication it was organized my somebody else.
I know of a few clubs that offer "massages" during the day and have been offered extras at some Spa clubs.
It may not happen at proper club parties in the UK certainly it happens in some European clubs |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
. As a single guy I went to Paradise spa occasionally on a Saturday as you could get there any time in the evening.As much as I like Rios as a single guy you have to wait until midnight to get in. OP4F also allow 5 single select guys but again you have to register between 12-3 and wait for a txt at about 7.00 pm to see if you are one of the 5 select guys and again wait until midnight which I have done occasionally."
Cheers Cos19, I have noted your knowledge and fair comments. The case is you have something planned with someone for Saturday night it falls through at the last minute. Paradise Spa was (to my knowledge then) the only place available for a single male. To be honest although Rios would have been nearer and I had been there a few times I never found that Rios did it for me. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"No dig at all. An observation. Seems to be especially prevelent in some parts of Europe.
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No offence... but other than a club in Birmingham that I would not consider to be a swinging club... there are not any clubs in the Uk that I am aware of that use working girls to lure anyone in |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers"
Hi FOLS
I will give the Pritti Patel excuse.
"If people take my comments as wrong then I apologise for the way they took my comments".
But being serious I was hitting hard back in the day and I am not sure I heard of funtimesswingwrs. I was running from Lex to Tease2 to Arousal to Kestrels and a good few others inbetween as I always found Fab pointless for meeting people. I am not sure how I missed it. Where was it based?  |
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"No dig at all. An observation. Seems to be especially prevelent in some parts of Europe.
No offence... but other than a club in Birmingham that I would not consider to be a swinging club... there are not any clubs in the Uk that I am aware of that use working girls to lure anyone in "
Some are better hiding it than others |
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"No dig at all. An observation. Seems to be especially prevelent in some parts of Europe.
No offence... but other than a club in Birmingham that I would not consider to be a swinging club... there are not any clubs in the Uk that I am aware of that use working girls to lure anyone in "
Agreed!  |
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"No dig at all. An observation. Seems to be especially prevelent in some parts of Europe.
No offence... but other than a club in Birmingham that I would not consider to be a swinging club... there are not any clubs in the Uk that I am aware of that use working girls to lure anyone in
Agreed! "
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
. As a single guy I went to Paradise spa occasionally on a Saturday as you could get there any time in the evening.As much as I like Rios as a single guy you have to wait until midnight to get in. OP4F also allow 5 single select guys but again you have to register between 12-3 and wait for a txt at about 7.00 pm to see if you are one of the 5 select guys and again wait until midnight which I have done occasionally.
Cheers Cos19, I have noted your knowledge and fair comments. The case is you have something planned with someone for Saturday night it falls through at the last minute. Paradise Spa was (to my knowledge then) the only place available for a single male. To be honest although Rios would have been nearer and I had been there a few times I never found that Rios did it for me. "
. No problem _ensual when I have been Rios just after midnight you sometime see a queue outside of 10 - 15 guys I was once in Rios with a young lady and noticed from 11.30 - 12.00 most of the couples starting to leave.Rios is very hit and miss for me but my attitude is always to go and enjoy the facilities and anything else is a bonus no expectations no disappointment |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers"
. I remember funtimeswingers on a industrial estate in Hackney yes you didn’t have to book on a Friday or Saturday as a single guy.A nice guy called Mick ran it sadly passed away must be about 10 years now I think his wife / partner name was Linda or Debbie.They also ran Raquels spa in Walthamstow again single guys didn’t have to book on a Saturday night. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is a club in Birmingham that is a sex club slash swingers club and has filmed events there ie bukkake and gangbang parties.The content is used for web sites.
Surprised more clubs dont do it as its always packed. But depens on there license. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no. "
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each? |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?"
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x"
Vicky has hit the nail on the head with her answer. They are very different experiences, but we have found that some single men have trouble understanding the difference. |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x
Vicky has hit the nail on the head with her answer. They are very different experiences, but we have found that some single men have trouble understanding the difference."
I totally agree!!! I've had this conversation a lot of guys over the years lol |
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over a year ago
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x"
Good point very well made.
I must admit I have never been to or know of any sex clubs that fit your eloquent explanation. |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x
Good point very well made.
I must admit I have never been to or know of any sex clubs that fit your eloquent explanation."
There's a place in Birmingham which is quite open about it. There's some in London too. |
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I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs. |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no.
Interesting you make the distinction. I would be interested to know the degrees of separation between each?
There's a very simple, straightforward difference between the two.
When you go to a sex club, you are going for guaranteed sex, usually provided by someone who is paid to supply 'services'. The sole purpose of the visit is sex and you will get it, although some put entertainment on, have a bar etc...
When you go to a swingers club, you go for a night out and sex is a possible option if you hit it off but is never guaranteed. All clientelle are consenting adults with free will to have sex or not and there is no pressure to perform. Nobody is paid to be there. You may walk away having not had sex at all.
Very different experiences
Vicky x
Good point very well made.
I must admit I have never been to or know of any sex clubs that fit your eloquent explanation.
There's a place in Birmingham which is quite open about it. There's some in London too. "
Then thats the point they are sex clubs not swingers clubs.. just like fab is a swingers site not a sex site !!  |
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"There are SOME venues that have working girls but they are quite open about it and are not swinging clubs, they are sex clubs. There's a difference.
The councils across the UK are pretty strict across the board and most swinging club owners have worked very hard to become credible businesses, gaining a good reputation with their licensing officers. They would not risk their integrity, their standing with the council or upset their regulars by enploying escorts.
Sex clubs yes. Swinging clubs no. "
That was our understanding ^^^^
Julia has very occasionally pointed out to me in a club “they’re not a couple” but I’m probably a bit naive about these things.
We wouldn’t go to clubs if there was ever an overt atmosphere of people being paid to go etc. |
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Julia has very occasionally pointed out to me in a club “they’re not a couple” but I’m probably a bit naive about these things.
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There’s plenty of people on Fab who hook up for the purpose of attending a club , I’m one of them . So no I’m not part of a “couple” in the conventional sense but not only do I not get paid but more often than not I pay for my half of the admission fee and been lumbered with the hotel bill !  |
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over a year ago
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"I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs. "
The profession is legal. |
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"I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs.
The profession is legal."
It is for independents working alone . sex clubs ( which I’m not sure what they are ) brothels , more than one sex worker in a premises constitute a brothel etc ...are not . And I’d imagine that the proprietor of such an establishment could be prosecuted for pimping basically . |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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"Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers. I remember funtimeswingers on a industrial estate in Hackney yes you didn’t have to book on a Friday or Saturday as a single guy.A nice guy called Mick ran it sadly passed away must be about 10 years now I think his wife / partner name was Linda or Debbie.They also ran Raquels spa in Walthamstow again single guys didn’t have to book on a Saturday night."
I used to go to Raquels the one near the station |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers. I remember funtimeswingers on a industrial estate in Hackney yes you didn’t have to book on a Friday or Saturday as a single guy.A nice guy called Mick ran it sadly passed away must be about 10 years now I think his wife / partner name was Linda or Debbie.They also ran Raquels spa in Walthamstow again single guys didn’t have to book on a Saturday night.
I used to go to Raquels the one near the station "
. Yes Raquels was near St James Street station in Walthamstow.Downstairs I remember spa facilities as well as a chill out area with a pool table. Upstairs were the playrooms as well as a room showing porn. |
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
Clubs is a bit open ended in this post. I know sex clubs and swingers clubs often get intertwined and tagged as the same, clearly they’re not.
There are a few clubs both UK and worldwide that use both terms, but a swinging club is definitely different to a sex club.
We go to swinging clubs purely to swing and our preference would be that working girls are not there to work, but no problem if they’re there for personal fun.
A sex club absolutely fine, because there is a market and need for it and if there’s a business opportunity, then entrepreneurs will capitalise on it.
A swinging club. If the club put on a specific event and were clear of this, then we’d have no issue. We wouldn’t attend, but that’s simply because it’s not what we’re looking for.
As far as keeping numbers, I’m of the same opinion as the majority. Any club that defines themselves as a swingers club (and do not have any intention of using working girls) typically have a decent database of single men.
I would assume that the majority of these men are members of swingers clubs to be part of the swinging lifestyle and have no interest of attending a sex club (or if they do, they would go to a sex club). |
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a club in doncaster not now running, used to be cpls only on a sat night , it tryed a trial opening on a friday night for mixed, so we popped along when we got into the club early there was about 6 girls all dressed down ,didnt think anything of it till we were told by the barman they worked in the club through the day . |
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"I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs.
The profession is legal.
It is for independents working alone . sex clubs ( which I’m not sure what they are ) brothels , more than one sex worker in a premises constitute a brothel etc ...are not . And I’d imagine that the proprietor of such an establishment could be prosecuted for pimping basically ."
There is no law to say that two consenting adults who meet and money or goods change hands is illegal.
If a sex worker is on the street soliciting then that is an offence. Two or more workers in one establishment could be considered to be running a bother or bawdy house again this is an offence. Controlling or organising such activities could be construed as living off immoral earnings.
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"I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs.
The profession is legal.
It is for independents working alone . sex clubs ( which I’m not sure what they are ) brothels , more than one sex worker in a premises constitute a brothel etc ...are not . And I’d imagine that the proprietor of such an establishment could be prosecuted for pimping basically .
There is no law to say that two consenting adults who meet and money or goods change hands is illegal.
If a sex worker is on the street soliciting then that is an offence. Two or more workers in one establishment could be considered to be running a bother or bawdy house again this is an offence. Controlling or organising such activities could be construed as living off immoral earnings.
Google is a friend!"
There's actually much more to it; google just gives you the basics.
Although prostitution is legal and sex workers can legitimately work from their home (on their own), file tax returns etc... there are laws which basically prohibit them from finding clients coming from every angle. So the act of prostituting itself is not illegal, but they can not legally seek clients in any way. So soliciting, online adverts, flyers in phone boxes (showing my age). The act of curb crawling is also illegal.
In Liverpool we have a few very active red light areas and years ago, the police decided to try and tackle the 'problem' by not targeting prostitutes but targeting their clients. So undercover police would wait for curb crawlers to approach a street worker and then swoop. The aim was to scare clients away and slow down the demand to stop sex workers operating.
This obviously didn't work and actually drove the women even more underground.
It's time the UK legalised the oldest profession in history and protected women from abuse, trafficking and violent pimps. It would be a source of income for the government and the women could trade with the protection of the law. There will always be those who trade underground, but legalising prostitution gives an element of security for the workers if they want it.
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"They don't like it as non sex workers get approached. The council has refused an application for a second zone. "
Shame  We need legal, regulated premises really, rather than legal street soliciting. This country is so backward in many ways.
Kind of hoping the national debt from Covid might make the government think again about legalising prostitution from shared premises and legalising cannabis. Both could be big money makers for the government!
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"They don't like it as non sex workers get approached. The council has refused an application for a second zone.
Shame We need legal, regulated premises really, rather than legal street soliciting. This country is so backward in many ways.
Kind of hoping the national debt from Covid might make the government think again about legalising prostitution from shared premises and legalising cannabis. Both could be big money makers for the government!
Sorry OP, slightly veering off topic lol "
Sorry to go off piste slightly too.
There was a documentary on it a few years back, possibly on BBC. Maybe you can find it on catch up or the tube.
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
There's a question that will polarise opinion!
The club scene is a very diverse and constantly changing one. Those who remember the late 80s and early 90s will remember clubs emerging from massage parlours, saunas (incl gay saunas), etc with business models changing to suit the market. It wasn't uncommon to offer massage during the day and swingers events in the evening, nor to have massage girls reappear during the evening (sometimes to the annoyance of the proprietor). Some clubs continued to openly offer massage during club hours, proving popular with the guys when there were few couples in attendance. Some clubs opened at weekends and offered other events such as stag parties on weeknights. As far as I know all of those that made it as clubs eventually ceased to provide other services.
In more recent times we've seen a rise in what I would call 'paid for parties', both in 'clubs' and private venues, but that's nothing new and it's normally obvious what's going on.
I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard. That said, I do know of clubs where the proprietors themselves have provided a similar service.
If everyone is consenting and happy there shouldn't be a problem. There is, after all, a significant crossover between the lifestyle and the SWer community - but that's a whole different conversation.
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"Your wrong about the only club in London
Being the only club in London to let single blokes in without booking on a Saturday night,,
I will just name one as an example as they have now closed,,funtimeswingers"
I used to work the bar there many moons ago.
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"a club in doncaster not now running, used to be cpls only on a sat night , it tryed a trial opening on a friday night for mixed, so we popped along when we got into the club early there was about 6 girls all dressed down ,didnt think anything of it till we were told by the barman they worked in the club through the day ."
Did visit the club once on a Saturday day time on my way to a QPR game and did find it weird that there was 3 girls and just me and another bloke especially when all 3 wanted me to go upstairs with them(separately) never did find out what the price was but did have a lovely Bacon sarnie and chinwag with the doorman/Pimp
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By *JCouple
over a year ago
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
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Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
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Very interesting thread. I have been on both sides of the debate. Having done LAPC and such, as well as hosting private free swing parties. I do agree it is time to actually have a serious look at the issues raised. Street girls, porn girls, AW girls are wildly open to abuse. Especially the younger newer girls who are promised money and fame only to be pimped out for others to exploit. The clubs I worked in put the girls in charge and we stook together and looked out for each other. I still have some very good friends that still work in them. (when reopen) I don't know how some of them are actually surviving at the moment. I have a normal day job these days. My heart goes out to them. Xx |
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There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl. |
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Very interesting topic and subject matter. Just up the road from me there is a working men’s club and until now I never thought of joining but have the application form now! |
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl. "
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat). |
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"Very interesting topic and subject matter. Just up the road from me there is a working men’s club and until now I never thought of joining but have the application form now!"
Like it!!
It is odd that in these days of sexual equality there are not any "working girl clubs". |
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"Very interesting topic and subject matter. Just up the road from me there is a working men’s club and until now I never thought of joining but have the application form now!
Like it!!
It is odd that in these days of sexual equality there are not any "working girl clubs". "
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Single guys are charged twice as much as couples and pay for single girls who are normally let in for free.
So yes I do think they are a big factor to keeping these places open.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ"
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat). "
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women. |
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat).
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women. "
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat).
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women. "
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat).
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women.
Perhaps women pay for sex too?"
Very rarely but there's definitely a niche market for gigolo's. Rent a Rasta's go down well in Jamaica with lonely American women. I'm sure there's lonely British women who would enjoy some attention, however, I doubt the male gigolo's are victims of the same level of violence by their female clients.
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Its interesting some would rather women live lifes of penury on minimum wage doing carework or other minimum wage jobs (arguably just as exploitative) than work their own hours and make at least £3kpm if full time. Or have a top up cash for Xmas or a holiday.
Typical of the government to account for drugs and whoring yet keep it illegal.
We've found events with a paid element for some reason tend to have fewer timewasters, everyone knows what they're there for and has fun. |
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Very rarely but there's definitely a niche market for gigolo's. Rent a Rasta's go down well in Jamaica with lonely American women. I'm sure there's lonely British women who would enjoy some attention, however, I doubt the male gigolo's are victims of the same level of violence by their female clients.
Saying that, there are plenty of reports of male escorts being abused by men"
Wasn't there that gran who was going out with an Egyptian fella? Embarrassed herself on GMB. Saw a recent news story on Gambian men effectively whoring themselves to old British women.
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
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You pay to enter a club and contribute to it's running costs.. Chat and meet people while in there...
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
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I wentto paradise Spa twice once for a pre arranged meet and.another time.when I took a lady who was interested in the club experience. It was a lot friendlier than most places.
Nastiest place I ever went to was Le Boudouir in Aldgate. Not the people but the ow we is a total prick. |
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ"
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do! |
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!"
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
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A few definitions
a lively and fashionable person who goes to a lot of social events.
a person who engages in group sex or the swapping of sexual partners.
someone who lives an uninhibited lifestyle.
Sure there's loads once you start looking & let's not forget the music scene... Big Band Swingers and Crooners!!! |
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
tell me it isnt true"
So when a couple break up are they no longer considered swingers?
Swinging is a mentality and a lifestyle.
Not all singles are just trying to get a leg over. Swinging is very much a sociable scene and I've seen so many people be parts of a couple and become single and vice versa.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
tell me it isnt true"
So.... the single women you are looking for as part of your profile.... hmmmmmm
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
tell me it isnt true
So.... the single women you are looking for as part of your profile.... hmmmmmm
Hypocrite much "
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard. Clubs 100% whatever they say. And whatever single ladies and couples think are what keeps them going . Because member fees are higher and sentence fees are astronomical.
Let's test it. All swingers clubs bar single.gents and charge what they currently do now for couples and single women.
See how long they last
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!"
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"There is a managed red light district in the Holbeck area of Leeds where sex workers can legally work 8pm - 6am.
I've heard about this. How does it go down with the locals? "
Depends on the locals. Some are very NIMBY about it, others are completely in favour as it's a massive improvement on any of the alternatives. I've had cause to pass through there on foot at night on a number of occasions (I don't drive, and I have friends in that part of Leeds), and it feels bright and clean and safe compared to some other parts of the city I've been to.
DISCLAIMER: I'm a *massive* bloke, so I'm extensively shielded by privileges not available to others.
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By *horty4Man
over a year ago
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"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
I wentto paradise Spa twice once for a pre arranged meet and.another time.when I took a lady who was interested in the club experience. It was a lot friendlier than most places.
Nastiest place I ever went to was Le Boudouir in Aldgate. Not the people but the ow we is a total prick. "
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
tell me it isnt true"
Hold on a bit hypocrite much as on your profile it states you are looking for single women. Also as it has been said swinging is a variety of things predominantly a lifestyle and a certain mindset. For an example if I go to a club I go mostly to socialise and expect nothing if I do end up playing that’s a bonus. |
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I doubt this happens overmuch, I have a few escort mates and if you were to finance them for a night it would cost more than you would earn from more folk through the door. Besides swinging is about consensual fun between adults. Having workers there would turn it into a brothel... Of which there are already options for |
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over a year ago
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I've not encountered working girls being paid by clubs for a very long time, but it's a fairly obvious way of bringing in the single guys that are the lifeblood of most clubs when times are hard.
Do you really believe single guys are the life blood of swinging clubs??
Especially when times are hard??
KJ
Well.... they pay higher membership fees, they pay higher admission fees, and they outnumber women, often vastly so. So yes, I do!
im going to get flamed for this, but single men arent swingers, nor are single women, swinging is about couples swapping, the reason men out number others, is that if they call them selves swingers they think they will get sex.
tell me it isnt true
Hold on a bit hypocrite much as on your profile it states you are looking for single women. Also as it has been said swinging is a variety of things predominantly a lifestyle and a certain mindset. For an example if I go to a club I go mostly to socialise and expect nothing if I do end up playing that’s a bonus. "
I for one.class myself as a swinger because I am interested a d like the lifestyle . I do a lot of dancing and I am also good at it. I get a lot o offers from women so getting sex isnt a problem. The problem is that it's hard to find a woman who is also into the.lifesyle and ghe same for single women. CSO yes you are going to get flamed for it and hiu are being a hypocrite |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat).
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women.
Perhaps women pay for sex too?
Very rarely but there's definitely a niche market for gigolo's. Rent a Rasta's go down well in Jamaica with lonely American women. I'm sure there's lonely British women who would enjoy some attention, however, I doubt the male gigolo's are victims of the same level of violence by their female clients.
Saying that, there are plenty of reports of male escorts being abused by men"
Fun4Two in Holland, which is an amazing club, does a Gigolo night once a month, where they hire in about 10 fit young lads who are dressed in a bow tie (and nothing else) to identify them. If any women want to make use of their services they just go and ask. All included in the entrance fee I believe!
We turned up at Fun4Two one Sunday afternoon and didn't know it was Dutch Mothers day. In honour of the day they had these Gigolos wandering around. Well, we didn't know what the score was as we could not read the Dutch posters. Shel was really disappointed when she learned she could have had any of these chaps, but by the time she found out, they were all booked up!
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"We used to get very frustrated at a club near Heathrow that would allow in men who bring escorts with them, just to get in on couples night... the poor girls just sat there looking bored while the guy runs around trying to get his dick up anyone who stood still for too long.
Same experience here, same club ! We feel you !!!
I have heard this claim about that club before and finacially it does not make sense unless those men were loaded. I really find it hard to believe that there were a huge number of minted men bringing working women to the club. More likely it is men bringing their wives parking them in the corner and running off.
Also what does it have to do with this thread? Even if they were working women, they were not working in tandem with the club.
Following on from a thread about Paradise Spa, I was a fan of it. I never went on a Wednesday night because it was not a swinging night. I went on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Paradise Spa was the only club in London that as a single male you did not have to book in advance to attend. It was the only swinging space (apart from Rios) in London that as single man I could attend on a Saturday night, it was reasonably priced, and there were no working girls on those nights.
. As a single guy I went to Paradise spa occasionally on a Saturday as you could get there any time in the evening.As much as I like Rios as a single guy you have to wait until midnight to get in. OP4F also allow 5 single select guys but again you have to register between 12-3 and wait for a txt at about 7.00 pm to see if you are one of the 5 select guys and again wait until midnight which I have done occasionally."
With all this faffing about it seems inevitable that working girls are going to be involved. One solution may be to not allow couples into clubs. Let the couples go to couples only clubs. |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
newcastle |
"There’s no place for prostitution in clubs. That’s not what swinging is about. The closest we have come to that was a guy who we thought might have hired his date. But it was hard to tell. She was a page 3 girl and he was rich. So those lines were rather blurry. On another note..... I shagged a page 3 girl.
Agree, and as I say it’s not something we’ve really come across in our favourite clubs.
And I don’t think prostitution should be legalised. Would people be happy for their own daughters to pursue it as a career path? Or just other peoples? All this oldest profession trope - it should be condemned to history, society should move on and say it’s not acceptable. (Tin hat).
Unfortunately, you will never stop prostitution, so I would feel happier if there was a system in place to protect them, as there is nothing right now. Believe me, when you see these women beaten to within an inch of their lives in hospital and you hear the conditions that some live and work in, your heart would break.
Clubs are testament that sex sells. Similarly, prostitution is providing a sexual service and some people do actually choose this profession and they are not all drug numbed street walkers. They are also educated women who meet businessmen in hotels and apartments. Yet, all sex workers are at risk, regardless of their 'patch' or clientelle.
Prostitution is legal. Now we need to allow the women to work as safe as possible as you will NEVER stop men paying for sex, but you can make it harder to abuse the women. "
The UK missed a great chance to sort out the prostitution thing (in London at least) a few years ago.
When Battersea Power Station was derelict, the Gov. should have said, "Right, we will allow a developer to do up Battersea Power Station as a zone for prostitution as long as it is fully enclosed and entrance doors are staffed to ensure no under age. All other prostitution in London is now strictly forbidden."
The girls would have been working in a safe area, taxes would be paid and punters would also have confidence in going there.
And just think of the inbuilt publicity !!! Those four big chimneys!! They would just need a big flashing red knob on top of each one and they'd be World famous ! |
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I've been to some 'greedy girls' events that involved working girls. Had a great time. A bit like a pro/am golf event, a great chance to improve your game. Having said that some of the holes can be larger than R&A rules stipulate. |
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We once went to the private club in Aston with a friend who was a member. Don’t know if it’s still going, as I’m taking 15 years or so back. Apart from Lucy the only other ladies in the club were two south Asian ‘entertainers’ who should have had some sort of award for entertaining large numbers of guys at the same time. So yes it does happen in some places and they don’t really have the feel of a proper swingers club because of it. The customers were certainly not complaining though. |
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"We once went to the private club in Aston with a friend who was a member. Don’t know if it’s still going, as I’m taking 15 years or so back. Apart from Lucy the only other ladies in the club were two south Asian ‘entertainers’ who should have had some sort of award for entertaining large numbers of guys at the same time. So yes it does happen in some places and they don’t really have the feel of a proper swingers club because of it. The customers were certainly not complaining though. "
that is squalid
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"It's a great money spinner and fab way to keep people going back, most people don't mind paying club fees if there guaranteed to play."
The op is right and this too, it is a way to keep them going back, otherwise it would be an expensive visit with entrance fee.
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"We once went to the private club in Aston with a friend who was a member. Don’t know if it’s still going, as I’m taking 15 years or so back. Apart from Lucy the only other ladies in the club were two south Asian ‘entertainers’ who should have had some sort of award for entertaining large numbers of guys at the same time. So yes it does happen in some places and they don’t really have the feel of a proper swingers club because of it. The customers were certainly not complaining though. that is squalid "
There is certainly a big difference between a sex club (with paid girls offering sex) and a proper swinging club. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They don't like it as non sex workers get approached. The council has refused an application for a second zone.
Shame We need legal, regulated premises really, rather than legal street soliciting. This country is so backward in many ways.
Kind of hoping the national debt from Covid might make the government think again about legalising prostitution from shared premises and legalising cannabis. Both could be big money makers for the government!
Sorry OP, slightly veering off topic lol "
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There is a lot of hypocricy around sex work and sex in general. The numbers of men who are expecting to "get" sex as if it's their human right are staggering - online and face to face harrassment is ample proof of that. Paying fo sex is "not acceptable" somehow and yet demanding titillation somehow is fine? People might say it is not however I fail to see any real repercussions for this behaviour while sex workers are stigmatised and punished in numerous ways at every turn.
Then of course, plenty of men end up paying for sex in various forms - many can choose not to but many take the route of the least effort because they can. I have been solicited for sex work quite a few times on this very website - and yet when reporting "soliciting" it means a woman offering to provide sex work. Again, it is women who are punished.
Do I like the idea of sex work existing? I absolutely do not because it is just one more way which allows men to treat women as objects, as product to be purchased and I loathe that - but this is completely besides the point when there are so many women who rely on sex work for their livelihood and all these philosophical musings are neither here nor there! Sex workers need real changes now, not in some distant utopian future. They need to be safe now. All the laws around sex work in UK are seemingly there to do good but in reality they do the opposite - they make it so much harder for two or more women to work together and be safer, to have a safe workplace, to advertise properly, to get paid properly etc etc.
Single men being charged exorbitant fees at swingers clubs only make it worse because many of them are expecting to get goods for their money. Ask me how I know.
This problem is not going to go away unless people open their eyes and start doing something to change the current double standards. When harrassment faces very real repercussions this is when things can start to change. When sex work is decriminalised and people can work in safe conditions, this is when things will improve. And anyone who says oh, it's not possible to achieve - well, they haven't actually tried. The truth is that so many platforms are catering for what men want, including clubs and websites. Just surface examples - why is it that Le Boudoir is covered all over the place with pictures of naked women and screening them as well? Where are the photos of naked men? Why is Rio's overrun with men who won't let a naked woman be? The manager is great but is he supposed to be policing people? While I get harrassed there rarely another man does anything to show that this is not OK - people just look on an ignore. And this is a big part of the problem, men watching other men behave badly and saying nothing. Where are the social repercussions? What does reporting actually do on Fab Swingers? Doesn't seem like it does much, there are no repercussions for harrassment as far as I can see and the only reason this website is actually usable for me is due to sheer difference in numbers - as a single woman I am "in demand" and can have more choice. After spending time wading through thirsty demands of course.
So no, it is not possible to have your cake and eat it too. And some of the couples, do get off your high horses. So you are partnered up and can have sex when you mutually want. Good for you. Not everyone has this, show some empathy for people who live differently than you do. There is another side to sex work, some people who buy it do not have so many options and it is a way to sustain their physical and mental wellbeing because while sex is not a human right it sure is a universal human desire and need. The same with those who sell - not everyone has lots and lots of choices and their choice is just as valid as yours.
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
When I took over back in 2000 and something we were very, very quiet on certain evenings. The guys were coming in regularly and the girls were more sporadic. I was running a new business and I had bills to pay. I thought long and hard about this. In principle I don't have a problem at all with escorts. But after tremendous consideration I decided that I would not ask escorts to come, for 2 reasons.
1. Swinging in its purest form is a hobby and lifestyle and paying for sex workers (albeit in a roundabout way) takes it out of that league. I was running a swingers club (and still am).
2. I had decided to work with the local authorities and the police and had assured them that we do not pay anyone to have sex. Years later that honesty has built up and my reputation is important to me, the fact I can look the Chief Inspector in the eye and be truthful to him means we get full support if its ever needed.
Over the years, now and again, popular (at the time) travelling escorts have asked to do private parties, gang bangs etc. So far I have said no.
I don't trash other venues that do have escorts come in, that's up to them, we are all different and different authorities have different views. |
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.........it is not possible to have your cake and eat it too. And some of the couples, do get off your high horses. So you are partnered up and can have sex when you mutually want. Good for you. Not everyone has this, show some empathy for people who live differently than you do. There is another side to sex work, some people who buy it do not have so many options and it is a way to sustain their physical and mental wellbeing because while sex is not a human right it sure is a universal human desire and need. The same with those who sell - not everyone has lots and lots of choices and their choice is just as valid as yours.
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Well said, this is by far the most enlightened post made on this thread. It amazes me how many members of the swinging community claim to be liberated and tolerant of all forms of sexual activity yet have no understanding or acceptance of paid sex in any shape or form.
If a lady pays the same entrance fee as a man and attends a club and has a gangbang she is considered a swinger. If that same lady and attends on a night when she gets free entry or significantly lower entry cost does that make her a working girl? Of course it doesn’t but in theory she has received an economic incentive to attend. Yes I understand that isn’t the same as been given cash to attend but the principle is the same and we are after all talking about principles.
As Glamourousbeautylondon has said everyone has a choice. There is a place for 100% swinger venues as there is for 100% sex clubs and the same should apply to mixed events.
Making this post I can’t help but recall the story of how Sir Winston Churchill supposedly asked Lady Astor whether she would sleep with him for five million pounds. She said she supposed she would. Then he asked whether she would sleep with him for only five pounds. She answered,"What do you think I am?" His response was, "We've already established that; we're merely haggling over price."
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
"There is a lot of hypocricy around sex work and sex in general. The numbers of men who are expecting to "get" sex as if it's their human right are staggering - online and face to face harrassment is ample proof of that. Paying fo sex is "not acceptable" somehow and yet demanding titillation somehow is fine? People might say it is not however I fail to see any real repercussions for this behaviour while sex workers are stigmatised and punished in numerous ways at every turn.
Then of course, plenty of men end up paying for sex in various forms - many can choose not to but many take the route of the least effort because they can. I have been solicited for sex work quite a few times on this very website - and yet when reporting "soliciting" it means a woman offering to provide sex work. Again, it is women who are punished.
Do I like the idea of sex work existing? I absolutely do not because it is just one more way which allows men to treat women as objects, as product to be purchased and I loathe that - but this is completely besides the point when there are so many women who rely on sex work for their livelihood and all these philosophical musings are neither here nor there! Sex workers need real changes now, not in some distant utopian future. They need to be safe now. All the laws around sex work in UK are seemingly there to do good but in reality they do the opposite - they make it so much harder for two or more women to work together and be safer, to have a safe workplace, to advertise properly, to get paid properly etc etc.
Single men being charged exorbitant fees at swingers clubs only make it worse because many of them are expecting to get goods for their money. Ask me how I know.
This problem is not going to go away unless people open their eyes and start doing something to change the current double standards. When harrassment faces very real repercussions this is when things can start to change. When sex work is decriminalised and people can work in safe conditions, this is when things will improve. And anyone who says oh, it's not possible to achieve - well, they haven't actually tried. The truth is that so many platforms are catering for what men want, including clubs and websites. Just surface examples - why is it that Le Boudoir is covered all over the place with pictures of naked women and screening them as well? Where are the photos of naked men? Why is Rio's overrun with men who won't let a naked woman be? The manager is great but is he supposed to be policing people? While I get harrassed there rarely another man does anything to show that this is not OK - people just look on an ignore. And this is a big part of the problem, men watching other men behave badly and saying nothing. Where are the social repercussions? What does reporting actually do on Fab Swingers? Doesn't seem like it does much, there are no repercussions for harrassment as far as I can see and the only reason this website is actually usable for me is due to sheer difference in numbers - as a single woman I am "in demand" and can have more choice. After spending time wading through thirsty demands of course.
So no, it is not possible to have your cake and eat it too. And some of the couples, do get off your high horses. So you are partnered up and can have sex when you mutually want. Good for you. Not everyone has this, show some empathy for people who live differently than you do. There is another side to sex work, some people who buy it do not have so many options and it is a way to sustain their physical and mental wellbeing because while sex is not a human right it sure is a universal human desire and need. The same with those who sell - not everyone has lots and lots of choices and their choice is just as valid as yours.
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That is the best answer To this thread I have seen so far. Thank you.
And you are right at every point. It's why I simy stopped houng to clubs unless I am meeting someone there and being honest it simply dosent happen often.
As for working girls, A lot of women swingers run their own events. Greedy girl parties for example. |
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There have been a few clubs in the Manchester area that have hosted "Dubious" events.
As a paying member of a couple of clubs there have been times when a club i frequented has been holding "Greedy Girl" parties.
Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but when i am expected to be paying £20 extra for entrance because of it I turn around and walk away.
Because if that's happening it's a change in the dynamics, the club is charging additional money for the possibility of guaranteed sex, and if the woman are being paid to do it that's aiding and abetting prostitution.
If they don't receive anything for doing it then the club is exploiting them and shouldn't be charging its membership extra for entrance.
So to answer the question, there are clubs that are willing to allow girls to offer themselves for sex and charge an entrance fee in certain Manchester clubs. Wether they're working girl's or not is debatable. But it's not a widespread problem. |
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I'm not keen as it can give men the wrong expectations in other places. It can already be a pain if men view us as an easy shag, making a uncomfortable for others and deterring women from going, as they don't like the assumption that they are like a free escort.
If places that do it are clearly marketed as such, it's fine but it's ideally not blurred with swinging.
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"There have been a few clubs in the Manchester area that have hosted "Dubious" events.
As a paying member of a couple of clubs there have been times when a club i frequented has been holding "Greedy Girl" parties.
Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but when i am expected to be paying £20 extra for entrance because of it I turn around and walk away.
Because if that's happening it's a change in the dynamics, the club is charging additional money for the possibility of guaranteed sex, and if the woman are being paid to do it that's aiding and abetting prostitution.
If they don't receive anything for doing it then the club is exploiting them and shouldn't be charging its membership extra for entrance.
So to answer the question, there are clubs that are willing to allow girls to offer themselves for sex and charge an entrance fee in certain Manchester clubs. Wether they're working girl's or not is debatable. But it's not a widespread problem. "
People offering themselves for sex and the club taking an enterance fee ..... what are you describing a swingers club .... ? There’s always dogging as they car parks free and so is the lighting ..... |
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Julia has very occasionally pointed out to me in a club “they’re not a couple” but I’m probably a bit naive about these things.
There’s plenty of people on Fab who hook up for the purpose of attending a club , I’m one of them . So no I’m not part of a “couple” in the conventional sense but not only do I not get paid but more often than not I pay for my half of the admission fee and been lumbered with the hotel bill ! "
Or you could simply go single and get a free or heavily reduced entry. |
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When clubs charge £80 odd pound for single men yet allow couples and single women in for next to nothing then there is always going to be issues. The single men will be more inclined to feel ripped off and start to expect sex. There are numerous events/clubs where this happens and hence why these clubs will hire in ladies. There is no right or wrong answer other than to vote with your feet. If you don’t agree with it don’t go, if your ok with it then fine enjoy yourself. |
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"gosh is this thread still going?
does it really matter what a club does?"
Nope its up to them what they do, but its interesting hearing peoples takes on it all, and their opinions as well. Nowt much else to do but talk about it so why not! lol |
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"When clubs charge £80 odd pound for single men yet allow couples and single women in for next to nothing then there is always going to be issues. The single men will be more inclined to feel ripped off and start to expect sex. There are numerous events/clubs where this happens and hence why these clubs will hire in ladies. There is no right or wrong answer other than to vote with your feet. If you don’t agree with it don’t go, if your ok with it then fine enjoy yourself. "
Go to different clubs.
Not all rip guys off |
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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago
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"There have been a few clubs in the Manchester area that have hosted "Dubious" events.
As a paying member of a couple of clubs there have been times when a club i frequented has been holding "Greedy Girl" parties.
Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but when i am expected to be paying £20 extra for entrance because of it I turn around and walk away.
Because if that's happening it's a change in the dynamics, the club is charging additional money for the possibility of guaranteed sex, and if the woman are being paid to do it that's aiding and abetting prostitution.
If they don't receive anything for doing it then the club is exploiting them and shouldn't be charging its membership extra for entrance.
So to answer the question, there are clubs that are willing to allow girls to offer themselves for sex and charge an entrance fee in certain Manchester clubs. Wether they're working girl's or not is debatable. But it's not a widespread problem. "
greedy girls are certainly not offering guarenteed sex... and £20 entrance for a single guy is a good rate.
When clubs were open I'm a regular attendee of greedy girl events.. and trust me I'm there for myself. I pick who,when ,where and if I go and just don't fancy anyone then I go home without.
Guys expecting sex at a swinging club will be disappointed to be fair.... greedy girls night or not. |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"When clubs charge £80 odd pound for single men yet allow couples and single women in for next to nothing then there is always going to be issues. The single men will be more inclined to feel ripped off and start to expect sex. There are numerous events/clubs where this happens and hence why these clubs will hire in ladies. There is no right or wrong answer other than to vote with your feet. If you don’t agree with it don’t go, if your ok with it then fine enjoy yourself.
Go to different clubs.
Not all rip guys off"
Find me one club that dosnt charge men double or triple entrance fee. And I would happily join.
Unfortunately as I ssuf before the clubs exploit single men this way.
Would you ad a couple spend 80 it more to attend a club? |
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"There have been a few clubs in the Manchester area that have hosted "Dubious" events.
As a paying member of a couple of clubs there have been times when a club i frequented has been holding "Greedy Girl" parties.
Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but when i am expected to be paying £20 extra for entrance because of it I turn around and walk away.
Because if that's happening it's a change in the dynamics, the club is charging additional money for the possibility of guaranteed sex, and if the woman are being paid to do it that's aiding and abetting prostitution.
If they don't receive anything for doing it then the club is exploiting them and shouldn't be charging its membership extra for entrance.
So to answer the question, there are clubs that are willing to allow girls to offer themselves for sex and charge an entrance fee in certain Manchester clubs. Wether they're working girl's or not is debatable. But it's not a widespread problem. "
We went to a Manchester club on a greedy girls night. The guy on the door was telling men that they were guaranteed sex that night.
Nasty, creepy and irresponsible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
As long as they are open about it I can't see a problem. If they hide it then some men will get the wrong idea and may assume all women are fair game. Although some men will assume this anyway.
We went to Paradise Spa years ago and there were escort ladies in the rooms. The men were noticeably more respectful than I've experienced on other club visits. |
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I think that those clubs that have paid hostesses (I can think of two in the Birmingham area) include in the conditions of entry that you are not guaranteed sex. This is part of the arrangement that enables them to function legally.
In practice, of course, you may not be turned down. |
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"When clubs charge £80 odd pound for single men yet allow couples and single women in for next to nothing then there is always going to be issues. The single men will be more inclined to feel ripped off and start to expect sex. There are numerous events/clubs where this happens and hence why these clubs will hire in ladies. There is no right or wrong answer other than to vote with your feet. If you don’t agree with it don’t go, if your ok with it then fine enjoy yourself.
Go to different clubs.
Not all rip guys off
Find me one club that dosnt charge men double or triple entrance fee. And I would happily join.
Unfortunately as I ssuf before the clubs exploit single men this way.
Would you ad a couple spend 80 it more to attend a club?"
Easy....ours |
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By *horty4Man
over a year ago
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In my experience the cost of entry or whether there is less of a price differential between sexes has little to do with guys attitude. Club owners need to make it clear that they will deal with miscreants proactively and not just rely on complaints. Ive seen grim behaviour at both ends of the entry cost range. Ive SEEN men told off and thrown out, it does happen. There’s no shortage of men wanting to visit on a singles night so all the more incentive for being strict, there are plenty of other guys who aren’t dicks. |
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"Just wanted to canvas opinion of clubs hiring working girls in clubs to make up numbers of single girls (Paradise Spas downfall), or Spa clubs that offer massages with "extras". A necessity to keep single guys coming? "
Men can use working girls in thuer natural envuronment i for one would like to know when i go as a single business lady i am not being looked upon as a protitute the whole point of swinging is mutual fun ... |
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"We wouldn’t go to any club that has working girls and like has been said clubs don’t have a problem getting single men to attend. "
You would never truly know if a club had working girl's inside. And they might not have a problem getting men to attend, but they might have problems getting them to go back |
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By *itzimadCouple
over a year ago
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there is a fine line between swinging and prostitution .Many girls choose prostitution as a career as they have a high sex drive ,many women with a high sex drive choose to swing
weve met quite a few couples at swingers clubs who are involved in the escort trade
clubs are just buildings and can be used for different things at different times most are available for other promoters to hire for paid gangbangs private parties film work |
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"there is a fine line between swinging and prostitution .Many girls choose prostitution as a career as they have a high sex drive ,many women with a high sex drive choose to swing
weve met quite a few couples at swingers clubs who are involved in the escort trade
clubs are just buildings and can be used for different things at different times most are available for other promoters to hire for paid gangbangs private parties film work "
There really isn’t a fine line at all, there’s a very clear distinction between sex work and swinging. Sex work is done for pay and I don’t think the majority of women go into it because they have a high sex drive - I very much doubt that there’s a great deal of satisfaction to be had for the woman. Swinging is obviously not done for pay and women who swing are usually much more concerned with attraction, connection, and their pleasure. You do a disservice to both groups of women by saying there’s a “fine line”. |
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"there is a fine line between swinging and prostitution .Many girls choose prostitution as a career as they have a high sex drive ,many women with a high sex drive choose to swing
weve met quite a few couples at swingers clubs who are involved in the escort trade
clubs are just buildings and can be used for different things at different times most are available for other promoters to hire for paid gangbangs private parties film work
There really isn’t a fine line at all, there’s a very clear distinction between sex work and swinging. Sex work is done for pay and I don’t think the majority of women go into it because they have a high sex drive - I very much doubt that there’s a great deal of satisfaction to be had for the woman. Swinging is obviously not done for pay and women who swing are usually much more concerned with attraction, connection, and their pleasure. You do a disservice to both groups of women by saying there’s a “fine line”."
Well said, Dirtypretty. Conflation of swinging with paid sex work is really not very helpful (that's the polite version). |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"there is a fine line between swinging and prostitution .Many girls choose prostitution as a career as they have a high sex drive ,many women with a high sex drive choose to swing
weve met quite a few couples at swingers clubs who are involved in the escort trade
clubs are just buildings and can be used for different things at different times most are available for other promoters to hire for paid gangbangs private parties film work
There really isn’t a fine line at all, there’s a very clear distinction between sex work and swinging. Sex work is done for pay and I don’t think the majority of women go into it because they have a high sex drive - I very much doubt that there’s a great deal of satisfaction to be had for the woman. Swinging is obviously not done for pay and women who swing are usually much more concerned with attraction, connection, and their pleasure. You do a disservice to both groups of women by saying there’s a “fine line”."
intwrstinhly I knew a couple of women who ran their own parties who were both married One had a husband who had such a bad heart condition that he was in danger of dying. The other had a virtually sexless marriage.
People do what they do for diffre.r reasons and their are shades of grey. |
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"there is a fine line between swinging and prostitution .Many girls choose prostitution as a career as they have a high sex drive ,many women with a high sex drive choose to swing
weve met quite a few couples at swingers clubs who are involved in the escort trade
clubs are just buildings and can be used for different things at different times most are available for other promoters to hire for paid gangbangs private parties film work "
That’s ridiculous |
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i would have thought the reason single guys get charged a lot more than fems or couples is purely to keep their numbers down.
i wouldnt go as a single for that reason |
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Having run clubs. Worked in porn and been married or had partners that worked in porn Or escorted then I think a few of you have a nieve view of the sex industry or swinging....genuine couples swinging is I guess slightly different to singles swinging ....single men finance the running of most clubs and if they don’t get action most venture off to a parlour or look on adult work ... most clubs use single girls to get guys in ... but there No guarantee of action the fact some of these girls / hosts work in the sex industry is irrelevant. 2020/21 will be a game changer with most clubs not reopening ... the only ones I put money on being here next year is townhouse because it’s run so well and Cupid’s as they own the building ....-all the others it will be a massive struggle |
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There are clubs that have 'house hosts'. Never been to a club that has these. To be honest it has always put me off (Mr). We are supportive of sex workers. But my perception has always been that the single men may have an attitude of entitlement to any woman in a club where they have paid such a high entrance price for frankly the guarantee of sex. However I have read many forum post on here in the past about such clubs. Many couples and single ladies who go to such clubs (in a leisure capacity) say they always feel safe and if anything the guys are more respectful than other clubs. That I found surprising but goes to show maybe I shouldn't judge without seeing for myself. So I'm not going to critise but I don't think these type of clubs are not for us. Its a free market when it comes to choosing which club to go to. But does prove that its worth doing a little research into a club before attending for the first time. |
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"Having run clubs. Worked in porn and been married or had partners that worked in porn Or escorted then I think a few of you have a nieve view of the sex industry or swinging....genuine couples swinging is I guess slightly different to singles swinging ....single men finance the running of most clubs and if they don’t get action most venture off to a parlour or look on adult work ... most clubs use single girls to get guys in ... but there No guarantee of action the fact some of these girls / hosts work in the sex industry is irrelevant. 2020/21 will be a game changer with most clubs not reopening ... the only ones I put money on being here next year is townhouse because it’s run so well and Cupid’s as they own the building ....-all the others it will be a massive struggle "
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"I've never been a customer.
Part of what I find attractive is mutual attraction rather than transaction. It's othing personal or morally dogmatic, just my preference.
I'd rather see sex workers in clubs (both swingers and sex clubs) than putting their lives at risk on the streets.
I went to a daytime club a few years ago with my partner and there were three sort-of-incognito sex workers there with a bunch of single guys.
We were the only couple there.
My partner had a whale of a time and the girls were lovely.
Without them the club would probably have been a non starter or a gentlemans club.
Have some respect and just make the profession legal ffs. "
I actually thought pros÷€£€@%+n was legal, its the actual soliticiting of it that is not |
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