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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Alright , I will be in London near Heathrow on 18/3 night which happens to be a Friday night. Would appreciate advice on whether I should go to abfabs or hellfire.
Being a single male who is very poor at pick up lines which of the two places will I have more chances to score?
Hellfire has a bad girls night , not sure what Abfabs has, both are equally expensive £60-70 so money is not a factor in making a choice.
My last visit to quest was a complete sausage fest to an extent I stopped visiting clubs for a while due PTSD from seeing so many desperate males. ( no offence intended i am a part of them ) |
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Hellfire.
Friendly and fun.
No pool but that’s not what we go to a club for.
Bad Girls night is probably the one night of calendar where you’re in with a good chance of scoring, it’s very popular with single guys.
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Love them both just depends what you are after. Hellfire is more intimate and cosy, abfabs much bigger and with a superb pool and decent hot tubs. Chill at abfabs or mingle at Hellfire, a real first world problem choosing between the two, possibly the best two clubs I’ve visited why not try them both and decide for yourself, have fun |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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Due to what you said about yourself in the opening post, I think Hellfire will be the better choice for you.
I think you should really not worry about any "secret magical" opener pickup line, a friend normal conversation starting with a simple "hello guys" will be perfect. However, if you feel shy about this, then Hellfire's Bad Girls night is specially made for you, as the party is designed around a game when girls need to approach men, so they will come up with the pickup line to you!
Also, due to your age, you might find the crowd in Hellfire more attractive, there will be more ladies of your age or similar there compare to Abfabs. But nothing is guaranteed while everything is possible, so you can have a great time in both places. |
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"Due to what you said about yourself in the opening post, I think Hellfire will be the better choice for you.
I think you should really not worry about any "secret magical" opener pickup line, a friend normal conversation starting with a simple "hello guys" will be perfect. However, if you feel shy about this, then Hellfire's Bad Girls night is specially made for you, as the party is designed around a game when girls need to approach men, so they will come up with the pickup line to you!
Also, due to your age, you might find the crowd in Hellfire more attractive, there will be more ladies of your age or similar there compare to Abfabs. But nothing is guaranteed while everything is possible, so you can have a great time in both places."
I have to disagree you with regarding the age thing at AbFabs. I find most who attend are in their 30s/40s and the whole ‘attractive’ thing - that depends on what you define as being attractive.
AbFabs have a greedy girls night, where there are more single men …. And you don’t have to pay girls …. Just saying. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Now I am confused again. I have to think about it. Please keep the inputs coming. Also anyone planning to go there on 18/3 do give me a buzz. Would love some company beforehand. |
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For a single guy and if the 18th is bad girls at hellfire then would suggest to head to that but any other day/night ab fabs/kestrels gets our vote every time it’s an amazing club with fantastic facilities and great crowds!!!
Hellfire from when we have recently visited has been very quiet and only busy on bad girls events and then u basically get a much higher chance of playing but only because you are paying for it not necessarily because they want to play with you!
If u would rather socialise and get to know people in a more relaxed environment then ab fabs is better in our opinion! |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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"I have to disagree you with regarding the age thing at AbFabs. I find most who attend are in their 30s/40s and the whole ‘attractive’ thing - that depends on what you define as being attractive.
AbFabs have a greedy girls night, where there are more single men …. And you don’t have to pay girls …. Just saying. "
I don't know, probably you are right, I was only talked about my experiences. I used to be a regular in the old Kestrels/Abfabs both daytime and parties, then visited the new venue once before and 3 times after lockdown. My experience was that the crowd has changed a lot compared to the old venue's Friday night parties. Maybe it's not even true, maybe it only happened on that 4 occasions when I visited the club. And even if it is, it's not a bad thing. I think that is actually a positive thing if all demographics can find a place that matches their preferences. 
To be honest, I also find the concept of "play dollars" a bit weird, especially with real cash prizes to be paid out, but I don't think that any of the girls would go their with the mind of "let's earn some money". It's a game, maybe a bit on the edge, but nothing more I guess. I've never been to that event, just read it on their website, btw. I been on their NYE party, and that was amazing for sure.
But as OP said sometimes he struggles with the openers, this game surely can be helpful, as he will be approached. |
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To be honest, I also find the concept of "play dollars" a bit weird, especially with real cash prizes to be paid out, but I don't think that any of the girls would go their with the mind of "let's earn some money". It's a game, maybe a bit on the edge, but nothing more I guess. I've never been to that event, just read it on their website, btw. "
I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me. |
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Just back from Kestrels/Ab Fabs and will be there tomorrow.Great atmosphere whatever age you are and vibe is perfect.All days are different but still great and the people and staff make it a place to be x |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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"I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me. "
Yes, that was my first thought too that this one is a bit edgy. But on the other hand, I like the idea if a club organizes some fun game, which can be a good ice-breaker.
I really don't think that any woman would go there for earning money it's just a bit of fun. I can imagine that some of them will go with all and any men for the sake of the game - which I won't be able to understand as I would never have sex with someone who doesn't attract me. But the event is called "bad girls' night" and to be fair I have seen ladies on other "greedy girls" events too not to be picky at all but suck each and every cock which was available. And they could not care less about what sort of men is on the other side of that dick. For me it's the same I can't understand it, nor will I judge them, if they enjoy it, it's their business... |
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"I don’t understand this event …. Seems a bit like soliciting to me.
Yes, that was my first thought too that this one is a bit edgy. But on the other hand, I like the idea if a club organizes some fun game, which can be a good ice-breaker.
I really don't think that any woman would go there for earning money it's just a bit of fun. I can imagine that some of them will go with all and any men for the sake of the game - which I won't be able to understand as I would never have sex with someone who doesn't attract me. But the event is called "bad girls' night" and to be fair I have seen ladies on other "greedy girls" events too not to be picky at all but suck each and every cock which was available. And they could not care less about what sort of men is on the other side of that dick. For me it's the same I can't understand it, nor will I judge them, if they enjoy it, it's their business... "
I get that. It’s not for me - I’m too picky. I like the greedy girl nights simply because there’s more of a selection of guys - bit because I’d want to go with anyone and everyone. |
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The bad girls event used to really fun and I found helped the single guys to get more involved and added to conversation starters which is why we attended (I never played the game) but recently when we have been and they have upped the prize money it’s become a lot more seedy and basically I have found women who are there to win!!
In my opinion it’s lost the fun aspect of it because of the big pay out now and can get quite serious and extreme at times with men queuing like they are at a bus stop!!
Personally greedy girls at ab fabs is the best club nights we have attended! Lots more single guys and couples attend and it has a very good atmosphere and always had a great night! |
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"Alright , I will be in London near Heathrow on 18/3 night which happens to be a Friday night. Would appreciate advice on whether I should go to abfabs or hellfire.
Being a single male who is very poor at pick up lines which of the two places will I have more chances to score?
Hellfire has a bad girls night , not sure what Abfabs has, both are equally expensive £60-70 so money is not a factor in making a choice.
My last visit to quest was a complete sausage fest to an extent I stopped visiting clubs for a while due PTSD from seeing so many desperate males. ( no offence intended i am a part of them )"
Ab Fabs is a billion times better than Hellfire!  |
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Hi
I started bad girls just as a naughty red light party theme and to my suprise, it proved very successful in creating a busy, fun night.
I have not encountered players who attend professionally, but yes, our prize money has grown; only as a result of our wish to have a 2nd and 3rd place (previously the winner took all the prize money).
However, I accept the criticism that the prize money could induce ladies to play purely to win; therefore, the prize money will be reduced and 2nd and third places may, in future, be an alternative to cash.
The Girls who choose to play the game, love it and unsurprisingly, so do the gents! It will be interesting to see if reducing the prize money reduces attendance.
All new parties are on the way, along with a total refurb of our schoolhouse (finished) and extended play cage in the `Cage On the Stage` area.
Cheers
Peter
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I appreciate you commenting on this post Peter as u know we were regulars and thoroughly enjoyed the club esp the bad girls nights.
I do feel upping the prize money has affected the game in the sense that some couples are going to win the money instead of enjoying the fun atmosphere the game used to create. Esp as play used to go on way after the game finished whereas now people seem to leave as soon as its finished but the 1am close doesn’t help this from what I remember the club never used to close until 2am.
Really hoping the adjustments will help people to attend more as a way to have fun rather than seeing a decline due to prize money being reduced which would be a shame. |
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Thanks @TwoForFun. We close at 1am Fri (Sat morning) and 2am Saturday`s (Sun morning). It is interesting that, we used to close at 4am both nights, but because of that, play would not start until 1 or 2am and for many people, with babysitters, work next day etc, this was frustrating. We do extend occasionally, when there is a lot of play approaching normal close! I am elderly and need my sleep, but fortunately, my staff are young and full of energy! For one year, I will have the perfect age for a swingers club owner when my 69th Birthday party is held on 30th July! |
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Has to be said, the Hellfire staff and management are properly fabulous and helpful.
Abfabs a billion times better ? As someone who has been going to the old and new abfabs for significantly more than 10 years,I just don’t see that. I’m very happy if I get the chance to go to either. |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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I think this bad girls theme might be on the edge a bit, but still, nothing more than an innocent game (okay, I mean "innocent" in a swinger club's level, of course...  ) If it was on the opposite way (I know, it will never happen) and girls would queue up with their "play dollars" for us men, and I could win some cash at the end, I would not feel myself a "male prostitute" at all but would have great fun. And would still politely refuse those when I don't feel the right chemistry - however, it could make that refusal a more awkward feeling, that's true.
I have seen scenes in clubs (some harder BDSM plays and the marks on the girl after...) that I found way more awkward than this game, but that's only my opinion. If all who are involved like it, then good for them.  |
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Hellfire for us every time.
We’ve been to both, old and new AbFabs, but we prefer Hellfire.
Someone mentioned ‘classy’.. Well Hellfire is as classy as any other club we’ve been to and that includes KK and Le Boudoir.
For us, and it’s a personal reason, AbFabs just doesn’t fit.
The Hellfire Bad Girls night is a bit of fun, we’ve never been but have had reports from friends.
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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@HellfireClub, Peter, once you are here, just one question, or maybe an idea. I went to your NYE party, and that was truly amazing! (previously I only visited your club once on a Wednesday 7-8 years ago)
I used to be a regular at the old Abfab's Friday night parties and have been four times in their new club. I really don't mean it as an offence to anyone, but my experience says that a significant part of their clientele seems to haven't followed them to the new venue. I remember that whenever I attended the old club's Friday night, I could literally fall in love 2-3 times a night... :D (that's another question if that "love" has been followed by any action or not. )
This is only my experience, maybe I went at the wrong days to the new place, but that's what I have seen. It can be the effect of LeBoudoir that appeared on the scene and took a big chunk of those couples and girls, I don't know.
But, my question to Peter is: when I've been to your NYE party, finally I had the same feeling again that I used to have at the old Abfabs. I know, that NYE is a very special party, but as you are located close to the old Abfabs, so probably would be a good alternative for their ex-regulars, have you thought about filling up that gap in the "market" which is - in my opinion - definitely exist since the old Abfab closed down?
Maybe a bit longer opening time at the end and some targeted marketing for those who used to be regulars in the old Kestrels could help? |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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"Someone mentioned ‘classy’.. Well Hellfire is as classy as any other club we’ve been to and that includes KK and Le Boudoir. "
Absolutely agree with that, I'm a regular at LB, and due to my NYE visit at Hellfire I can totally confirm that this club matches LB in class. Both the venue and the crowd. The only downside is the location, if you don't drive, that's a bit of a pain to get home at the night. |
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@Freddy81 Hi, in the 11 years I have owned and run Hellfire (14 with Lancaster gate etc), I have never bothered for one minute, where we stand relative to other clubs, looked at how they operate, or commented on them. All Clubs have their USP`s; I only know what I am trying to achieve and believe we are close to that goal: A club, where style, manners, decor and innovative parties attract quality clientele, who in turn, bring their friends along.
We have busy and quiet nights, as with every club, but in the past year, more than doubled the number of couples who regularly attend; where they have come from, frankly, I don`t know.
`A Company Of One` and `Atomic Habits` are the books that best reflect, my approach to running Hellfire. |
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"@HellfireClub, Peter, once you are here, just one question, or maybe an idea. I went to your NYE party, and that was truly amazing! (previously I only visited your club once on a Wednesday 7-8 years ago)
I used to be a regular at the old Abfab's Friday night parties and have been four times in their new club. I really don't mean it as an offence to anyone, but my experience says that a significant part of their clientele seems to haven't followed them to the new venue. I remember that whenever I attended the old club's Friday night, I could literally fall in love 2-3 times a night... :D (that's another question if that "love" has been followed by any action or not. )
This is only my experience, maybe I went at the wrong days to the new place, but that's what I have seen. It can be the effect of LeBoudoir that appeared on the scene and took a big chunk of those couples and girls, I don't know.
But, my question to Peter is: when I've been to your NYE party, finally I had the same feeling again that I used to have at the old Abfabs. I know, that NYE is a very special party, but as you are located close to the old Abfabs, so probably would be a good alternative for their ex-regulars, have you thought about filling up that gap in the "market" which is - in my opinion - definitely exist since the old Abfab closed down?
Maybe a bit longer opening time at the end and some targeted marketing for those who used to be regulars in the old Kestrels could help?"
I'm interested to know how you would target the old Kestrels members. You don't exactly have a membership list.
I do remember that Hellfire offered discount to Ks/Ab Fabs members when it closed down.
Plus to be honest most of the old Kestrels members knew about Hellfire and if they haven't tried it in the time between Kestrels closing on the new one opening I doubt they are likely to bother. |
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So thought we would add our two pennies worth. The old abfabs was 100 times better than the new abfabs. We were hardcore regulars at the old abfabs and new abfabs until lockdown happened. Prior to lockdown the abfabs Christmas and NYE parties were absolutely terrible at the new venue, with their choice of DJs again terrible, we decided we would not do abfabs for Christmas or New Years again after that. The people at new abfabs are on average 80% out of shape, look much older and whilst they are trying to make the club look better still looks like an old mens working club with the clientele to match. (Just look at the profiles who are raving about the club!). Hopefully that has all changed now.
We had been to hellfire many times over the years for different events. More recently it’s become our club of choice for bad girls/greedy girls nights. We went to the hellfire xmas party AND the NYE party and we were glad we did, sexy couples, packed and lots of fun until the early hours of the night. The only thing I would say is that we would have preferred the men to wear tuxedos! The dress code was a little loose.
We are not affiliated to any club, see our many verifications at various clubs, we say it as is and don’t play the games that seem to be going on in this chat.
With regards to bad girls and greedy girls nights at both hellfire and abfabs respectively, we prefer bad girls and the game as it’s easier to engage people with the excuse of the game, and therefore easier to be a “bad girl”. Abfabs has men stalking the couples/ladies and the quality of men wasn’t the best. Also if we are playing a game we play to win, in which case we do, or our friends who come with us do too.
It is true abfabs has a great pool and jacuzzi facilities so if going for water based facilities so give them a go. Hellfire for party atmosphere and sexier couples and singles in our humble opinion.
Also be wary of couples/singles and their personal recommendations on here, obviously people have their preferences on clubs, which we would say, try them all and make your own mind up but beware of the couples which obviously also hold grudges against either clubs. Rise above all that rubbish and try them all on different nights and see what suits you.
We go to clubs all over the world and make our own minds up about each clubs we go to and the various nights held at the clubs. you should try them all ! If you are a newbie then hellfire probably a better greedy girl /bad girl night as the girls approach you in the “game”
With regards to couples and singles having a problem with the game, just remember everyone pays to enter any club and essentially have sex. We like the hellfire badgirls game it’s great fun and wouldn’t want it changed!
In any case and whatever you choose we hope you have fun ! X
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The whole concept of a girl approaching me in a club is both novel and mesmerising. If that happens at hellfire bad girls then … AHH god bless the club! |
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By *redy81Man
over a year ago
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"@Freddy81 Hi, in the 11 years I have owned and run Hellfire (14 with Lancaster gate etc), I have never bothered for one minute, where we stand relative to other clubs, looked at how they operate, or commented on them. All Clubs have their USP`s; I only know what I am trying to achieve and believe we are close to that goal: A club, where style, manners, decor and innovative parties attract quality clientele, who in turn, bring their friends along.
We have busy and quiet nights, as with every club, but in the past year, more than doubled the number of couples who regularly attend; where they have come from, frankly, I don`t know.
`A Company Of One` and `Atomic Habits` are the books that best reflect, my approach to running Hellfire. "
Thanks, for the response, Peter, fair thinking!
As I said, in the past 5-6 years I have been only once in your club, on this NYE. And that party was absolutely amazing with a great and sexy crowd. It's good to hear that the number of couples grow, I think I will visit the club again! I only wish if nighttime public transport was available around Hellfire, as it costs me a fortune to get back to North London by cab... Maybe I should use a cab only until the nearest nightbus. |
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By *redy81Man
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"I'm interested to know how you would target the old Kestrels members. You don't exactly have a membership list "
I don't know, I think promoting a swinger club must be hard in general too (I'm not talking about Hellfire particularly). I doubt if Facebook, Insta or Google would allow running ads on their platforms if it's about swinger clubs, but somehow clubs should reach people outside of these fabs-style pages too. Some fresh blood is always good in a club. I think LB does it well, I don't know what they do, but looking at their crowd it works... |
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"It seems Abfabs is a bit more posh and classy . But hellfire will give more chance for action considering the kind of event they are hosting. "
Are you having a laugh
Go to Our place for fun. |
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Hi Peter, like two for fun we have enjoyed many a night at Hellfire but were disappointed by the early finish almost immediately after the bad girls game last time we attended. In our experience the best sex always used to happen after the game! The extra hour allowed for that. 1am, when you have travelled and maybe booked a hotel, is just too early. Good luck with the new nights  |
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But to answer the question, Hellfire every time. Better people and a sexier more intimate atmosphere. Ab Fabs is great for chilling but too often fails to hit the right sexy vibe for us, for all the reasons Delicious Pleasures outline. |
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"But to answer the question, Hellfire every time. Better people and a sexier more intimate atmosphere. Ab Fabs is great for chilling but too often fails to hit the right sexy vibe for us, for all the reasons Delicious Pleasures outline."
Totally agree!! The best/ longest playtimes we have ever had was at hellfire before lockdown with the later opening!! The nights used to be fun, crazy, busy and very sexy!!!
Some amazing nights had and agree better people especially considering we met eachother there 
If they extend Friday opening I do feel it will encourage more to head out even just until 2am and get it back to how the hellfire once was, we would certainly return if this was the case!!
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The 2 clubs and not really comparable as totally different. Depends what you are looking for because Kestrel's has the wet facilities whereas hellfire doesn't but both are great clubs. |
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Hi
As I said in another post, many people want the party to get going because they need to get home for babysitters or work the next day etc.
However, as Bad Girls play always starts at exactly 10:10pm, I will look at possibly extending that particular party to 2am.
We may look at other Fri parties in future and as spring approaches, Secret Sunday, which was very popular in the past, may return.
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So further to our post above, we tried out greedy girls night at Abfabs last night, seriously???!!! How people are even making a comparison it is amazing to us. It wasn’t a greedy girls night it was couples night, with a few guys not enough to service the many couples. Also the quality of the people including the couples wasn’t great at all. We went and enjoyed the water based facilities (jacuzzi and pool) which was great fun, but won’t be going back to the greedy girls night any time soon. Abfabs is more a club to go and enjoy the facilities with your partner and it’s still way too big, it looked empty even with 20 ish couples, still has that working mens club atmosphere! If you are looking for a club with lots of facilities Abfabs is for you, jacuzzi, swimming pool, pool table, etc but we will stick to Hellfire bad girls night for being a VERY BAD girl lol x |
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"which is the best for a suturday night play?"
that depends on what you’re looking for. Saturday at Abfabs is couples and single fems only. Most Saturdays at Hellfire allow single guys so there will be two different atmospheres.
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