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pricing single guys out of clubs part 2

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Continue here, its interesting what you all think about it

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I'm going to pull out something that you wrote... because i think it is rather telling..

" If you read my profile you'll see that I'm interested in a rapport with people. I'm not going to get that at a swingers club. Nor would I in a vanilla club of course. "

so speaking as someone who does go to clubs to someone who has never been to a club, can i ask as to why you think there is no rapport going on at swinging clubs.... i think there is a misconception going on here

what do you think happens with a lot of the popular guys... people just dragged them by the cock off somewhere!!

I think a lot of the guys who do go will tell you it helps if you do build rapport with people....

I am personally not interested in playing with people that i haven't spoken to, or have some type of feel for

"What does attract me to a swingers club is to see people into the swinging scene going about there thing.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you.... but for a lot of people at clubs or outside of them... its as much about the socialising and building a rapport (you used the word first) as it is about the playing element......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

I think managing numbers with a guest list is a much better idea than deterring people with high prices.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How I see it,from reading the comments on forums is, couples don't like single men in numbers clogging up their clubs. So,simplistic view if it-as I'm a simple woman-stop single men from attending and charge couples enough money to keep the clubs in profit. Single men could use their money to hire an escort,you can chat with escorts too before fucking them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get that some men don't agree with the pricing and I get that some think that "for 40 quid I expect sex" some do.

I go to clubs as I like to socialise before getting into a room with someone

Some men don't get this and don't understand about personal safety.

I'd happily pay to get in some clubs Nd I do often.

Why

As I like the club the facilities

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or,give single people their own night,charge everyone the same,don't limit single men,up to capacity of course,make it bi friendly and they can get their money's worth from each other. Simple solution really

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without single men paying membership and higher entrance fees I doubt if some clubs are financially viable ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Or,give single people their own night,charge everyone the same,don't limit single men,up to capacity of course,make it bi friendly and they can get their money's worth from each other. Simple solution really

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

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I agree but would also only let hot ladies in this is of course in the interests of a balanced clientle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How I see it,from reading the comments on forums is, couples don't like single men in numbers clogging up their clubs. So,simplistic view if it-as I'm a simple woman-stop single men from attending and charge couples enough money to keep the clubs in profit. Single men could use their money to hire an escort,you can chat with escorts too before fucking them "

I bloody love this!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

Charge the couples double because there's two of them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm going to pull out something that you wrote... because i think it is rather telling..

If you read my profile you'll see that I'm interested in a rapport with people. I'm not going to get that at a swingers club. Nor would I in a vanilla club of course.

what do you think happens with a lot of the popular guys... people just dragged them by the cock off somewhere!!

I think a lot of the guys who do go will tell you it helps if you do build rapport with people....

I am personally not interested in playing with people that i haven't spoken to, or have some type of feel for

What does attract me to a swingers club is to see people into the swinging scene going about there thing.

I like to build up a rapport over time not just one night in a club. Yes you have to start somewhere of course. I'll concede I worded it wrong. What I meant was i don't feel that a club is the right environment for me to start that process off. I'd just be going for a giggle if you understand me. Of course your right I haven't been and I could be completely wrong and have the best night ever. My point is simply that the cost is too high for me personally to take that chance. It's simply not something I'm too fussed about.

Please dont worry about breaking anything to me. I'm a grown man.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

Charge the couples double because there's two of them."

If it's free for ladies and 40 quid for men then how about charging 40 quid for mf couple. Ff it's free mm it's 80

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

Charge the couples double because there's two of them."

Then many couples wouldnt go. I know we dont go to some clubs on certain days as you pay per person instead of as a couple.

you could limit single guys as much as you want but I know quite a few places that put the couples and single ladies prices up, and they couples and single ladies just went elsewhere.

So you still end up with a club full of guys.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

And therein lies the problem. From reading a number of these threads, one thing has become clear - there are a very large number of women and couples who know that they have the economic power over the clubs, because the clubs need them to attend, and are perfectly happy to exploit that power. Over and over again I've seen couples and single women say that they simply won't go to a club if they don't get discounted entry.

It's been pointed out, repeatedly, that this is simply the market at work. For clubs, customers are a commodity. Men are in the greatest supply, therefore they have the least value and can be charged the most.

That is indeed the market at work. That doesn't make it right. At the end of the day, if someone won't attend unless they get a discount, they're saying they'd rather see the clubs close than pay their own way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

I'd pay a nominal fee to get into a club. Any more and id just go to a club that let's ladies in for a nominal fee. If the first club closes i wouldn't lose sleep over it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Certain single males may be priced out of certain clubs on certain nights!

If you really want to go to that club on that night, as has been said, save up for it. If you think the price is too high, don't go. I'm sure plenty of other single males will take your place. If enough don't go then a price change drop just happen in future.

To say that single males are being priced out of all clubs is just pure rubbish. Yeah some clubs may well charge you £40-£60 or maybe even more to attend and you might even have to pay membership on top of that as well. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay those sort of prices though.

Take a look through the forums and at swingers clubs web sites. Some offer Free membership/discounted nights/themed nights and socials where membership isn't needed and lots more.

I've been to clubs as a single male and only paid £5 to get in and also plenty of times only £10. £15-£20 is about average and I don't find that bad for a decent night out with people who as a rule have the same sort of mindset as me.

Instead of just whining and saying how hard done by us single males are, do some research and make an effort and you can get into a fair few clubs in different areas for a reasonable amount.

If I think a club isn't worth what they're charging on a certain night, then I don't go to it. I might go on a night when it seems more reasonable price wise or I'll just go to a club that I think is priced right FOR ME!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Several people have said that single men should budget to pay the higher entrance prices. So far, none of them have said why is right that they should have to budget for a higher price.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

I think you're over thinking this...the vast majority of couples that we know just don't think in those kinds of terms...they don't break it down to the fact they they're "happy to exploit their economic power", they just want to go to a place they can afford, where they can mix and potentially play with the kind of people they're looking to mix and play with, in surroundings that are conducive to the kind of play they want...it never even occurs to us that we want anyone or expect anyone to subsidise us and neither do any of our friends...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well then let's hear this silent majority speak. So far, the majority who've spoken in threads on this subject have been the ones saying that they won't go to clubs if they have to pay more, that they have the power, that they're the ones the clubs need and that single men should shut up and take what they're given.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well then let's hear this silent majority speak. So far, the majority who've spoken in threads on this subject have been the ones saying that they won't go to clubs if they have to pay more, that they have the power, that they're the ones the clubs need and that single men should shut up and take what they're given. "

Your point is ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?"

Yes they would.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would."

Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your point is ?"

That expecting people to subsidise you and be grateful for the privilege is, at the very least, ungracious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?"

Because without the single men paying the bills, your entry fees would have to go up or the club would have to close.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?

Because without the single men paying the bills, your entry fees would have to go up or the club would have to close. "

So clubs like chameleons open Saturday nights for couples only for charitable reasons ? Grow up !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?

Because without the single men paying the bills, your entry fees would have to go up or the club would have to close. "

Maybe with some clubs but not all by a long shot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So clubs like chameleons open Saturday nights for couples only for charitable reasons ? Grow up !"

It's called a loss leader. Some people won't go to a club when there are single men there. Having a night without them can bring in new customers, who may then return on other nights helping to bring in single men. I'd also note that some clubs increase the price for couples on 'no single men' nights. Abfabs, for instance, charges a couple £30 on Fridays, when single men are allowed in, and £50 on Saturdays, when they aren't.

Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the clubs do make a profit on couple and single woman entry fees, and the men are just being shamelessly gouged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Vote with your feet if it means so much to you. If I was single I would go to clubs which I thought was best for me. Albeit I am in quite a good financial position but if the shoe was on the other foot your damn right I would begrudge it.

Luckily however I'm kinda of a big deal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go "

You still haven't explained why it should be better value for a couple or woman than for a man? As I've said before, the complaint isn't that men have to pay £X, it's that they have to pay £X more than couples or women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So clubs like chameleons open Saturday nights for couples only for charitable reasons ? Grow up !

Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the clubs do make a profit on couple and single woman entry fees, and the men are just being shamelessly gouged."

Perhaps reduce costs for single men then and let's have the places swamped with guys who object to paying then no couples and very few single females that should work well lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

Charge the couples double because there's two of them.

Then many couples wouldnt go. I know we dont go to some clubs on certain days as you pay per person instead of as a couple.

you could limit single guys as much as you want but I know quite a few places that put the couples and single ladies prices up, and they couples and single ladies just went elsewhere.

So you still end up with a club full of guys.

Well they can't have it all their own way. They can either exclude single men and cough up the dough,or suffer the single men for a cheap night out with other couples and single women

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Ok simple question would you fuck our female ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps reduce costs for single men then and let's have the places swamped with guys who object to paying then no couples and very few single females that should work well lol "

As I've said before, if the price difference was intended to control the number of single men, it's been an abject failure. If it worked, there would be no need for clubs to have limited places for single men, with guest lists that fill up well in advance.

If you're concerned about the number of single men attending a club, then the way to resolve that is to limit the number of single men you allow in. It's simple, and it works. As a justification for the difference in pricing it simply doesn't hold water

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Ok simple question would you fuck our female ?"

I don't know. I haven't met her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps reduce costs for single men then and let's have the places swamped with guys who object to paying then no couples and very few single females that should work well lol

Not concerned at all the more the merrier tbh but don't like to hear this constant whining about cost

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?"

Some couples meet single guys. Some women meet single guys.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not concerned at all the more the merrier tbh but don't like to hear this constant whining about cost "

Of course, it's whining. No possibility that it could be a legitimate complaint.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go "

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

When you put it like that then yes they are!

Great isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

Doubt there would be many single guys queuing if there was nt any couples or single fems tbh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

Doubt there would be many single guys queuing if there was nt any couples or single fems tbh "

You enjoy clubs using you as bait so they can lure guys in and make loads of money from them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

Doubt there would be many single guys queuing if there was nt any couples or single fems tbh

You enjoy clubs using you as bait so they can lure guys in and make loads of money from them?"

We don't feel that but we go on couples only nights

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

Doubt there would be many single guys queuing if there was nt any couples or single fems tbh

You enjoy clubs using you as bait so they can lure guys in and make loads of money from them?"

Absolutely the club we use chameleons has invested heavily in making the surroundings fantastic and the guys who attend enjoy as much as we do

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

On certain nights vet the single men so only the hot ones get in,don't charge them or the single females and let the couples pick up the tab. I've got so many great ideas

Charge the couples double because there's two of them.

If it's free for ladies and 40 quid for men then how about charging 40 quid for mf couple. Ff it's free mm it's 80

I like that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Surely if every night was full to the gunnels with single guys who don't get to play, after a while the numbers would naturally reduce as the ugly/socially inept ones realise they are wasting their time and cash?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Surely if every night was full to the gunnels with single guys who don't get to play, after a while the numbers would naturally reduce as the ugly/socially inept ones realise they are wasting their time and cash?"

The voice of reality tf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The voice of reality tf

So now reducing the price for single men actually wouldn't cause a problem?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Perhaps reduce costs for single men then and let's have the places swamped with guys who object to paying then no couples and very few single females that should work well lol

I think you have missed the point. The high price is not used as a control to limit single men. A "f**k off, we are full", works much better

The high price charged for single men is to balance the books. The number of single women attending is a fraction (1:5, at best) of the number of single men attending. And this is when entrance is free for women. This number is likely to decrease, certainly not increase, if clubs started charging single women

Take the following scenario:

20 single men x £40 = £800

4 single women x £0 = £0

Total = £800

The club will need to charge single women and single men £33.33 each to maintain the £800 total. And this is assuming that the number of single women attending does not fall. The single men will be better off by £6.66

It is quite possible that the club will make more money as the number of single men will increase marginally but at the same time, the number of single women attending will decrease, worsening the ratio

Now hands up all who are in favour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The voice of reality tf

So now reducing the price for single men actually wouldn't cause a problem?"

Do you go to clubs or have you been to any can I ask ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you have missed the point. The high price is not used as a control to limit single men. A "f**k off, we are full", works much better

Take the following scenario:

20 single men x £40 = £800

4 single women x £0 = £0

Total = £800

Now hands up all who are in favour

I haven't missed the point - what you've said is exactly what I've said on the 'part 1' thread of this discussion - that many couples and single women won't pay the true cost of their admission and insist that single men pay it for them. I don't question the economies of it, just the morality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you have missed the point. The high price is not used as a control to limit single men. A "f**k off, we are full", works much better

Take the following scenario:

20 single men x £40 = £800

4 single women x £0 = £0

Total = £800

Now hands up all who are in favour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The voice of reality tf

So now reducing the price for single men actually wouldn't cause a problem?

Do you go to clubs or have you been to any can I ask ?"

Yes, I have, and I plan to do so again. I can question the morality of the current pricing structure and accept the reality of it - I really am that good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The voice of reality tf

So now reducing the price for single men actually wouldn't cause a problem?

Do you go to clubs or have you been to any can I ask ?

Yes, I have, and I plan to do so again. I can question the morality of the current pricing structure and accept the reality of it - I really am that good

Ha fair enough, I can understand where you are coming from, to be fair we do pay a bit more for couples nights and don't mind at all

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By *ngel delight 69Woman over a year ago

Torquay

"Continue here, its interesting what you all think about it

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not all clubs charge men that much. The one in Swingers Quay Torquay is only £20.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I think you have missed the point. The high price is not used as a control to limit single men. A "f**k off, we are full", works much better

Take the following scenario:

20 single men x £40 = £800

4 single women x £0 = £0

Total = £800

Now hands up all who are in favour

The number of single men will increase irrespective of whether the number of single women decreases or not which will up the ratio to perhaps 1:7 or maybe even worse

So the guys will save £6.66 for even stiffer competition. I am in favour as my choice and chances will increase but your choice and chances will decrease

Thinking with a cool head, do single guys want to save £6.66 each so that the numbers attending goes from:

Men 20

Women 4

to:

Men 28

Women 4

The clubs are really doing you guys a favour by encouraging women to attend. It is in your interest as otherwise men will pay ~15% less but more will end up with a 100% loss, as it were

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Josie, you're aiming that reducing the price for single men means more single men will attend. That will only happen in the club allows it - even on current prices, clubs that limit single men are today oversubscribed. The only impact that lowering the price for single men would have is that the club would have to reduce its margins or increase the prices for women and couples to compensate - which brings us right back to the question of single men either subsidising everyone else, or just being gouged by the clubs.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I think you have missed the point. The high price is not used as a control to limit single men. A "f**k off, we are full", works much better

Take the following scenario:

20 single men x £40 = £800

4 single women x £0 = £0

Total = £800

Now hands up all who are in favour

I can easily afford to pay £35.00. Whether I pay £0.00 or £35.00, my odds of having fun are always 100% (or nearly always)

But even with the existing ratios, I see the 'zombies' at the clubs simply 'tailing' the women but never getting any fun. My paying £35.00 and you saving a fiver will increase the 'zombie' population

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Josie, you're aiming that reducing the price for single men means more single men will attend. That will only happen in the club allows it - even on current prices, clubs that limit single men are today oversubscribed. The only impact that lowering the price for single men would have is that the club would have to reduce its margins or increase the prices for women and couples to compensate - which brings us right back to the question of single men either subsidising everyone else, or just being gouged by the clubs."

My Dear Talldarkandpervy; xxx

The clubs will have to permit more single men to attend as the number of single women attending will fall. To a club the (hypothetical) £800 matters, and not what combination of genders makes up that total

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can easily afford to pay £35.00. Whether I pay £0.00 or £35.00, my odds of having fun are always 100% (or nearly always)

Why? Why is the club going to increase the number of single men it allows in, if there's no financial loss from keeping the number the same?

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By *rivate roomMan over a year ago

Bracknell

They usually provide the entertainment, particularly the ones that like to be watched.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My Dear Talldarkandpervy; xxx

I was answering your statement that the number of men would increase regardless of whether the number of women falls, and therefore argued on the basis that the number of women wouldn't fall. If, as you're now saying, the number of women WILL fall of they're charged more, we yet again come back to the issue of women and couples demanding subsidised admission.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

My Dear Talldarkandpervy; xxx

I am not demanding anything. Like some of the men who do not want to pay £nn.nn more than what they think is reasonable (or affordable) and therefore 'vote with their feet', women who too have similar financial constraints will vote with their feet

Nobody will win, unless the guys saving £6.66 on the current £40.00, is a worthwhile saving for an even more skewed ratio

It is not the club being moral or immoral. The club is a business and needs to cover its overheads and make a reasonable profit for its owners. They are using a tried and tested business model. This business model (with slightly better ratios) works in niteclubs too

There is a West End club which lets me in for free before 23:00 but charges me £20.00 after. For guys, there in no 'early-bird' rebate; they pay £20.00 no matter what time they arrive

I guess one could argue that this niteclub is using women as 'bait' so that guys see a club packed full of women and think that their chances of 'scoring' have increased. Sorry, but that is how humans (in fact most species) behave and nothing is going to change this behaviour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just throwing this out there.

Does it cost more to run a swingers club than a standard nightclub?

If it's the same then price the same.

If it's slightly more expensive, say perhaps an extra license required then charge slightly more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not demanding anything. Like some of the men who do not want to pay £nn.nn more than what they think is reasonable (or affordable) and therefore 'vote with their feet', women who too have similar financial constraints will vote with their feet

Nobody will win, unless the guys saving £6.66 on the current £40.00, is a worthwhile saving for an even more skewed ratio

There is a West End club which lets me in for free before 23:00 but charges me £20.00 after. For guys, there in no 'early-bird' rebate; they pay £20.00 no matter what time they arrive

You may not be demanding anything, but there are plenty of people who are, by stating that they'll refuse to attend clubs where they don't get a discount. I agree that the clubs aren't doing anything wrong (unless they really are just gouging single men), it's their customers that I think are doing something wrong. I know that women and couples can 'vote with their feet', I just think that it's wrong for them to do so - they should be willing to pay the cost of their own admission, not using their position of power to extort a reduced price. The fact that nightclubs use similar pricing strategies just gives me another reason why I don't go into them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change. "

And people complain abouot single men being rude and arrogant...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Just throwing this out there.

Does it cost more to run a swingers club than a standard nightclub?

If it's the same then price the same.

If it's slightly more expensive, say perhaps an extra license required then charge slightly more.

I don't know the answer to that but a cocktail at the niteclub I go to starts from £8 and I am usually not the one buying these for myself and staying alone the entire night

So do factor in those costs when heading to a niteclub to 'get lucky'

Still no guarantees, in fact, less chance for a single guy at a niteclub if the intention is end the night by having sex

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change.

And people complain abouot single men being rude and arrogant..."

Anyone can be rude and arrogant regardless of sex. My point is factual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change. "

Lmao. Lovely sentiment. Your right but fucking hell lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just throwing this out there.

Does it cost more to run a swingers club than a standard nightclub?

If it's the same then price the same.

If it's slightly more expensive, say perhaps an extra license required then charge slightly more.

I don't know the answer to that but a cocktail at the niteclub I go to starts from £8 and I am usually not the one buying these for myself and staying alone the entire night

So do factor in those costs when heading to a niteclub to 'get lucky'

Still no guarantees, in fact, less chance for a single guy at a niteclub if the intention is end the night by having sex"

Fair point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change.

And people complain abouot single men being rude and arrogant...

Anyone can be rude and arrogant regardless of sex. My point is factual. "

No.

The fact that people of my sex have treated people of your sex badly does not entitle you to treat me with contempt.

The fact that people of my sex are a majority on this site does not entitle you to treat me with contempt.

The fact that you have, regardless, treated me with contempt does entitle ME to treat YOU with equal contempt.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Nobody will win, unless the guys saving £6.66 on the current £40.00, is a worthwhile saving for an even more skewed ratio

There is a West End club which lets me in for free before 23:00 but charges me £20.00 after. For guys, there in no 'early-bird' rebate; they pay £20.00 no matter what time they arrive

I think that in this golden age of equality, everybody has a right to vote with their feet. It is not the exclusive domain of single men, who if I have read this thread correctly, are already doing so

In a typical month, I attend 8 different venues; 4 are swingers clubs where I typically spend £20 entrance (2 charge me £10 each, 2 are free); 4 are niteclubs where I typically pay a total of £40 as entrance (half the time I get there late). So, I spend approx £60.00 per month on entrance

Now, increase my costs at all swingers venues to £35.00 per visit. I will either have to increase my budget to £180.00 or decrease my entertainment by cutting down the number of swingers clubs to one per month and 3 niteclubs per month. Do you think I would be immoral or demanding if I did the latter?

I don't think anyone is demanding anything. If anyone is, then it is the single men demanding that their entrance must be lowered by swinging club owners whilst maintaining the gender balance. This is clearly not going to happen. Not in a swingers club, not in a niteclub and not on a date. And it is not because club owners are greedy or because women and couples are demanding; it is because of what the other lady said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All jobs should go to men and women should stay at home and raise the kids.

Runs off laughing.

This is a joke people don't come after me like a lynchmob haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Josie, I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Thank you for actually arguing your case, which is more than some people have done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change.

And people complain abouot single men being rude and arrogant...

Anyone can be rude and arrogant regardless of sex. My point is factual.

No.

The fact that people of my sex have treated people of your sex badly does not entitle you to treat me with contempt.

The fact that people of my sex are a majority on this site does not entitle you to treat me with contempt.

The fact that you have, regardless, treated me with contempt does entitle ME to treat YOU with equal contempt."

My comment wasn't directed at you personally, but hey, I'm a sucker for a little contempt as long as it quality.

I know you really, really, really hate this….my point is still factual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My comment wasn't directed at you personally, but hey, I'm a sucker for a little contempt as long as it quality.

I know you really, really, really hate this….my point is still factual. "

No, it isn't. The fact that women have in the past, and still are, treated badly by some men doesn't justify your attitude. The correct response is to rectify the problem, not lash out at any man who comes within range in an indiscriminate search for revenge.

The fact that there are a lot of men around here does not justify treating them as valueless and interchangeable. People are people and should be treated with respect until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The only way I would pay £40-£60 to get into a club is if it was packed with hot men all wanting sex with me. No time for building up a rapport with them,and no intention of sitting having a nice little chat. Just hello and off to a room for sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The only way I would pay £40-£60 to get into a club is if it was packed with hot men all wanting sex with me. No time for building up a rapport with them,and no intention of sitting having a nice little chat. Just hello and off to a room for sex."

Then why should men be expected to pay that much if they want to attend?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Then why should men be expected to pay that much if they want to attend?"

Nobody is forced to pay for anything

Just like some people will pay $1.5M+ for a Koenigsegg Agera, so some guys will pay £40.00 (or £60.00 down in the Old Smoke) to enter a swingers club; neither is essential for survival

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At the risk of going round in circles, why should a man who wants the Koenigsegg have to pay 1.5 million when a couple can get it for 750 K and a single woman for 375 K?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"At the risk of going round in circles, why should a man who wants the Koenigsegg have to pay 1.5 million when a couple can get it for 750 K and a single woman for 375 K?"

A single woman laying half naked on one, would. I don't know the answer to that either. Why do you think she would?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At the risk of going round in circles, why should a man who wants the Koenigsegg have to pay 1.5 million when a couple can get it for 750 K and a single woman for 375 K?

A single woman laying half naked on one, would. I don't know the answer to that either. Why do you think she would?

I think I've figured out where the difference in our arguments lies. You're telling me why she WOULD get it for 375, I'm asking you why she SHOULD. You're offering me economic explanations when what I want is a moral justification.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"At the risk of going round in circles, why should a man who wants the Koenigsegg have to pay 1.5 million when a couple can get it for 750 K and a single woman for 375 K?

A single woman laying half naked on one, would. I don't know the answer to that either. Why do you think she would?

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

I know I am stretching my 'argument' to the nth degree but why should you f**k and forget whilst I gain weight over the next 9 months and then go through hellish labor pains for 8 - 12 hours? Is that fair?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

No, which is why I wouldn't 'fuck and forget' and anyone who would is contemptible. The only way I wouldn't be right there with you is if you didn't let me.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

No, which is why I wouldn't 'fuck and forget' and anyone who would is contemptible. The only way I wouldn't be right there with you is if you didn't let me. "

It was just an example and not meant personally. And probably not a very good one either

I do agree with what you are saying. I do not believe that you should have to spend more for the same or similar products and services than me. Just as you should not get paid more for doing the same job and hours as I do

But businesses are entities and cannot be asked to consider moral issues. Where they do pretend to address issues of morality or equality, it is usually (not always) to either position their brand better or to have a larger margin

Case in point is car insurance. Insurance companies have 'equalised' premiums for men and women. Statistically, women are safer drivers. However, I now pay the same as you but you are not paying less either!

Swingers clubs need to increase female footfall. How do you think they should do this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then why should men be expected to pay that much if they want to attend?"

Because they will pay it. Even though the women there will not all be hot and they have no guarantee of getting sex. Yet still they pay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then why should men be expected to pay that much if they want to attend?

Because they will pay it. Even though the women there will not all be hot and they have no guarantee of getting sex. Yet still they pay. "

The fact that they will doesn't mean that they should.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

No, which is why I wouldn't 'fuck and forget' and anyone who would is contemptible. The only way I wouldn't be right there with you is if you didn't let me.

It was just an example and not meant personally. And probably not a very good one either

Swingers clubs need to increase female footfall. How do you think they should do this?"

Given all the complaints I've seen, I can't help wondering if one way to do it wouldn't be to reduce the number of single men admitted.

Beyond that... I don't know. I'll gladly admit to being a bit of a utopian on the subject. I think everyone should pay the same at clubs, but then I also think there should be more women and couples on the scene instead of all the single male 'giz a fuck' chances.

I understand the economic realities, as much as I hate them, and I know things aren't likely to change in the near future however much I'd like them to. Really, all I want to see is a more general acknowledgment that the current situation, though unavoidable, isn't fair, rather than the attitude of "you're a single male, suck it up" and the Fabio chorus of BUDGET!BUDGET!BUDGET!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

No, which is why I wouldn't 'fuck and forget' and anyone who would is contemptible. The only way I wouldn't be right there with you is if you didn't let me.

It was just an example and not meant personally. And probably not a very good one either

Swingers clubs need to increase female footfall. How do you think they should do this?

Given all the complaints I've seen, I can't help wondering if one way to do it wouldn't be to reduce the number of single men admitted.

Been lurking and reading. Had to pop up and

this lol

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

If everything else in this world was equal too, then she shouldn't

No, which is why I wouldn't 'fuck and forget' and anyone who would is contemptible. The only way I wouldn't be right there with you is if you didn't let me.

It was just an example and not meant personally. And probably not a very good one either

Swingers clubs need to increase female footfall. How do you think they should do this?

Given all the complaints I've seen, I can't help wondering if one way to do it wouldn't be to reduce the number of single men admitted.

And I would pay more if asked to but then in common with the men, I too will have to limit my excursions. I would extrapolate that similar constraints will be imposed by many other women on themselves

Since a reduction in charges will increase the number of men wishing to attend, clubs will have to impose limits

However, the number of women attending will, invariably, fall and to maintain a reasonable ratio, clubs will have to limit the number of single men attending even further

There will be no reduction in overheads and therefore clubs will yet have to increase charges for everyone, which will result in even fewer women attending and .....

You can see the extent of the problem which club owners face (and no, I am not a club owner)

I don’t think there is an easy solution as the problem isn’t created by club owners or attendees. The problem simply exists because there are fewer sexually uninhibited women in the world

Nite, nite

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So there really is a where the only solution is more horny women?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So there really is a where the only solution is more horny women? "

Yes

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

I'd also note that some clubs increase the price for couples on 'no single men' nights. Abfabs, for instance, charges a couple £30 on Fridays, when single men are allowed in, and £50 on Saturdays, when they aren't.

Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the clubs do make a profit on couple and single woman entry fees, and the men are just being shamelessly gouged."

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

When I was single I didn't mind paying the higher price.. it helps to reduce single male numbers, which in turn made it a better night for me.

Now I'm part of a couple, we prefer couples only nights, and are more than happy to pay a higher price for that... we wouldn't be willing to pay that higher price for a mixed night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?"

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So there really is a where the only solution is more horny women? "

No, can't we just increase the hot single men? I'd like more choice.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"So there really is a where the only solution is more horny women?

No, can't we just increase the hot single men? I'd like more choice.

Step aside; me first

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"...

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

..."

What, like a Gay man night?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

...

What, like a Gay man night?

Count me in, sounds like heaven! Better than the 'bi' nights full of straight men hoping to perve on women...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"...

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

...

What, like a Gay man night?

Count me in, sounds like heaven! Better than the 'bi' nights full of straight men hoping to perve on women..."

I like bi men and bi women or Gay women. They are honest and fun. I equally like straight men. The only ones I don't get along with that well are straight women

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs)."

I made this statement to prompt discussion I would certainly miss them but there's a cost to everyone and to the men who don't like the cost vote with your feet but stop whining

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

I made this statement to prompt discussion I would certainly miss them but there's a cost to everyone and to the men who don't like the cost vote with your feet but stop whining "
Single men and membership fees subsidise clubs so that couples benefit from a neutral social environment in which to play. You may not like it but its an economic fact?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not really whining. The debate was about whether single guys are being priced out. The answer is yes some are. The answer is also others will take their place. Clubs aren't going to change. People's attitudes aren't going to change. Nonetheless it was a good feisty debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

I made this statement to prompt discussion I would certainly miss them but there's a cost to everyone and to the men who don't like the cost vote with your feet but stop whining Single men and membership fees subsidise clubs so that couples benefit from a neutral social environment in which to play. You may not like it but its an economic fact?"

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact

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By *unknSoulCouple over a year ago

Dumfriesish

Its simple. Choose a club you would like to attend. See how much they are going to charge you to get in. If you think it is worth it go if not dont. You choose your choice simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact "
There are single ladies who enjoy recreational sex and that is a fact!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

It is simple if the club owners don't mind watching their profit plummet. They will have the same clientele attending but take considerably less money from the single men. We live in a capitalist society where it is essential to make a profit or you will fail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

...

What, like a Gay man night?

Count me in, sounds like heaven! Better than the 'bi' nights full of straight men hoping to perve on women..."

True, bi nights are disappointing. Single men should felate the bouncer as proof of bi ness before being granted entry. Sometimes twice!

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"...

I'd also think that they would reduce the price for single men if they had a single men only night....

...

What, like a Gay man night?

If you reduced the price for single men, it would mean more single men would attend, deter couples from going, so eventually there would end up all single men and no couples, so effectively a single men only night....

Or have a singles of night and everyone pays the same price..

Which would effectively be a single men of night...

But, hey, you've got your reduced single men price...

Don't look at it that single men are charged mire, look at it that couples get a discount in order to attract them in in nights when single men attend.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Singles should pay more than couples no matter what sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact There are single ladies who enjoy recreational sex and that is a fact!"

Is that swinging ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thank goodness for threads like this s they are wonderful people filters

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go

Clubs are good value for who? Single women that get in free? Couples that get in cheap?

I see.

Doubt there would be many single guys queuing if there was nt any couples or single fems tbh

You enjoy clubs using you as bait so they can lure guys in and make loads of money from them?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OK this is quite simply in my opinion, Swinging means to swop partners. So a single can not really swing. The most important point as I hold parties its money with out the over priced prices for men the clubs would not turn a profit

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By *xijenWoman over a year ago

manchester

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact "

I don't need couples to swing. It's not all about couples, you can swing quite easily without tem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OK this is quite simply in my opinion, Swinging means to swop partners. So a single can not really swing."

If you're not a swinger (by your own logic, because you're single) then why are you on a swinging website talking about swingers clubs?

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

The original question was "are single guys being priced out of clubs?"

Anyone who actually goes to clubs, rather than just talks about it on here, knows they are full of single guys. There is no shortage of single guys at clubs, so the answer is NO.

If the next question is "is it fair that single guys pay more?", life isn't fair, deal with it. If you want to pay in then go, if it's too much don't go. If you really champion equality open your own club and charge everyone the same - good luck with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact

I don't need couples to swing. It's not all about couples, you can swing quite easily without tem."

Nope singles meeting singles is normal swinging is different sorry to put you straight but it's true

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By *lactontogMan over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

"Continue here, its interesting what you all think about it

Swinging is the biggiest sex industry now in the UK & they have taken over where the adult sites left off with single guys.

As a webmaster myself my main aim is getting in the guys otherwise i wouldn't have a business & i am upfront with that, glossing it all over & charging silly amounts for single guys at parties is no different as it nets the swinging industry a small fortune.

A single person eats/drinks less than a couple so why charge double for their party entry, its easier for the guys to go to an organised gang bang/bukkake where they are guarantied sex for the same money as the two parties are no different in terms of money.

Yes couples are sometimes put off by loads of single guys so why not have different party nights to cater for single guys too without having to use the same old excuse to charge them more...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact

I don't need couples to swing. It's not all about couples, you can swing quite easily without tem.

Nope singles meeting singles is normal swinging is different sorry to put you straight but it's true "

I guess if they're not swinging then, single women should be prevented from going to swinging clubs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

About time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact

I don't need couples to swing. It's not all about couples, you can swing quite easily without tem.

Nope singles meeting singles is normal swinging is different sorry to put you straight but it's true

I guess if they're not swinging then, single women should be prevented from going to swinging clubs."
not what I ve said fun is open to all and I certainly welcome single guys to swinging clubs but it all costs money so if someone aint happy best to move on and find a cheaper pastime that's my opinion

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

I've stopped going to clubs as a single woman, unless I'm meeting friends for a catch up like FFFF because I prefer to play with single men. The dynamic between a single woman and a couple can be tricky becuase im not Bi in its truest form.

By not paying, or paying a minimal amount, I sometimes feel like I'm just bait.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

Getting really pee'd off with single guys very, very close at certain clubs, and asking my partner if they can play, rather than me - we have just decided not to go to them anymore, and only go to one or two we feel comfortable in - they are a little more pricey (yes, I am on topic!). I was curious though, a few weeks ago, as to how easy it is to follow someone - not as easy as it looks, guys, timing and personal space and all - gave me a new perspective on single guys. Hats on on that respect! Pepper

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact There are single ladies who enjoy recreational sex and that is a fact!

Is that swinging ?"
don't know is it? So you are the swinging interpretation police now? You are talking via your bum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've stopped going to clubs as a single woman, unless I'm meeting friends for a catch up like FFFF because I prefer to play with single men. The dynamic between a single woman and a couple can be tricky becuase im not Bi in its truest form.

By not paying, or paying a minimal amount, I sometimes feel like I'm just bait.

I feel that way too, which is why I prefer fetish clubs that have a swing aspect, because everyone usually pays the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact There are single ladies who enjoy recreational sex and that is a fact!

Is that swinging ? don't know is it? So you are the swinging interpretation police now? You are talking via your bum?"

You re no longer here and your bum ain't a good view byeeeeeee

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

By not paying, or paying a minimal amount, I sometimes feel like I'm just bait.

I feel that way too, which is why I prefer fetish clubs that have a swing aspect, because everyone usually pays the same."

I can be found quite often in fet clubs, or swing clubs that are happy for a bit of fet play with the swingers watching on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change. "

How arrogant and pathetic. There's other words for you....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes. I'm not interested in playing with mf couples at clubs. Only single men or mm couples (or women at gay clubs).

Without couples willing to play there is no swinging you may not like it but it's fact

I don't need couples to swing. It's not all about couples, you can swing quite easily without tem."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would personally feel very hard done by if I was a club going single guy but with that as has been pointed out before, supply and demand.

You could always club together (pardon the pun) and take a club to court for discrimination and see what happens. Most likely outcome is you would win... clubs would get overrun with single guys... couples and single ladies would stop going and it would turn into a cockfest and close down... but I may be wrong.

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By *anchester_gentMan over a year ago

Cheshire / Manchester border

Wow - as a single guy who goes to a fair few clubs I can happy say I'm prepared to pay the price to have a (mostly) decent mix of clientele. Well done to the owners and managers of those clubs for all your efforts to make your clubs work.

But what his thread shows is that virtually everyone on here has an innovative pricing model for a successful new type of club. So I guess we should be looking forward to a load of new clubs opening soon?

Otherwise it's just like kids complaining that their sweets cost too much...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love the single men being upset about inequality. Check the history books boys and shut the fuck up!

Cock is plentiful and therefore has little value. You're the swinging equivalent of brass. Get used to it because it's never going to change. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?"

Because many single women prefer to meet single guys rather than couples! And many of the ladies in couples like mmf, mmmmf or more! IMHO single guys are just as vital to swinging as couples, single fems, and tv's/ts's are! In my opinion swinging would be far poorer, and not viable, without any group! Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Singles should pay more than couples no matter what sex."

Bollocks!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?

The best answer we ve seen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the longest threads for a while and in two parts. Safe to say opinion is divided on the matter. If nothing else despite all the simplistic views being voiced, safe to say not everyone is prepared to just stand there and take it.

Stick it to the man brothers and sisters.

I'll get my coat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?

The best answer we ve seen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We think what single guys are charged (in some clubs) sucks, Some real nice guys that we have met in the past don't go as they can't afford £40 plus and yet they are a credit to the scene!

All should pay the same per head.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would single guys be missed at clubs ?

Yes they would.

Why?

Fantasic answer, well done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We think what single guys are charged (in some clubs) sucks, Some real nice guys that we have met in the past don't go as they can't afford £40 plus and yet they are a credit to the scene!

All should pay the same per head."

Exactly. We're all getting the same potential amount of fun from a club. And if everyone paid the same there wouldn't be as much burden on those paying less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...

Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

At last someone thinks like me clubs can and should manage amount of single guys coming in but wont because they can get away with it for all the couples etc who moan re single men fact is for clubs its them making club money by charging as they do.

Quite simple question for those who moan re single men at clubs are you willing to regularly pay say 30 quid a shot and pay a membership fee too as what happens at some clubs.

As this poster put on what planet is it ok to charge single men such high price.

Clubs should control it better.

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"At last someone thinks like me clubs can and should manage amount of single guys coming in ..."

Sits waiting for all the threads from guys moaning that they can't get into clubs because the quota of guys is already full.

It is so easy to try and set business plans for club owners from behind a keyboard. There are enough people who have whinged on the many threads on this subject to get together and finance a club run on price equality. Somehow it hasn't happened yet though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So there really is a where the only solution is more horny women?

No, can't we just increase the hot single men? I'd like more choice.

But who decides on who is hot?

I'm not hot, I'm just ordinary.

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By *dventuroususCouple over a year ago

sunderland

"...

Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

again many people miss the point of why prices are the way they are, its got nothing to do with charging men more, its about concessions, so for eg, a club works out its entry needs to be £40, that is what single guys pay because theres an abundance of them wanting to attend, couples and single females are under represented, so they offer concessions to try and attract more through the doors, much like a special offer at a supermarket, although not quite the same, which is why on other nights the entry changes depending on what the night is aimed at and which are the under represented parties.

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By *dventuroususCouple over a year ago

sunderland

"...

Absolutely... just like a pub.

But who in their right mind would pay £40 just to get into a pub?

THAT is the issue.

It's NOT ok to penalise guys by making them pay more to get into clubs. Everyone should pay the same.

The club wouldn't be overrun with men, just limit the number of guys allowed in. Simple.

Quite simple question for those who moan re single men at clubs are you willing to regularly pay say 30 quid a shot and pay a membership fee too as what happens at some clubs.

As this poster put on what planet is it ok to charge single men such high price.

Clubs should control it better."

as a couple this is about what we pay.

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By *aveandkate35Couple over a year ago

telford

Ok I've read numerous posts on this...

Let's just turn this on it's head...

So, where exactly, are all the clubs where single guys don't visit because the prices are too high??

From what I can see the good clubs have waiting lists for single guys.

So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

It's been debated multiple times - it's legal. So the only other issue is an moral one.

Again - why would any business that literally has people queuing up for their services want to change???

If you all feel that strongly about it - don't go! - stay in, have a wank, light your pipe and admire your resolution to sticking to your principals.

Then if everyone does the same you'll all then be able to join a waiting list with even more people on (because it's now cheaper) and be safe in the knowledge you're now sat at home with less chance of going, but if you ever do, you'll be paying £20 less.

Now, I don't want to wee on anyone's parade but while you're at home boycotting your local club, waiting for all the other single males to do the same... Other Single males will be going and paying their money and having a night out with like minded folk.

We love having single males in clubs, so please don't think we are against them, but not once when chatting in a club have we heard a guy moaning about the price. Normally they say how much fun they are having.

To be honest we'd walk away from someone moaning in a club anyway, we're there to have a laugh and a bit of fun.

Going to a club is not a right, it's a luxury, the same as a yaht, some people can afford luxuries, some can not. That is just life. By moaning about it, when in reality it's not a huge amount of money, doesn't help your online image.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone.

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone."

A club is a business. Why on earth would it reduce profit to be 'fair'. Where does it stop? Reduce the price to £20+ and there will still be people who can't afford it, what about them? If I were to list the things that I would love to do, or own, but can't afford then it would be a very long list. Being able to afford to go to a club is not a right.

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By *aveandkate35Couple over a year ago

telford

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone."

Ok, so how is that any different to someone not going on holiday because they have kids and can only do it in term time at over inflated prices? It's still the exact same product but different pricing due to supply and demand.

It's not like we're talking about denying people medical treatment here.

And let's just look at the figures, let's say it's £100/year membership and £40 a time entry. Let's say someone goes once every 2 months ( which is more than we have recently!) that's £340/year or less than £30/month.

I'd suggest if someone is struggling to find £30 a month towards a night out they have more pressing priorities than going to a club - swinging or otherwise.

I honestly don't care what they pay - if clubs decided we all pay the same, then fine, I'll still have the exact same choice as any single male out there whether to pay it it not.

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By *dventuroususCouple over a year ago

sunderland

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone."

but it would still be £40 for the guys, they would just put the price for single women and couples back to full price which is £40, so the same guys still wouldnt be able to afford to go, this is the point many miss, its not putting the price for men up that clubs do, its making a concession on the other prices because not so many of those attend on certain nights so its an incentive to try and attract them, whereas there is always plenty of men so they dont need to offer a concession.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well saying not going to a club because you can't afford it is like not going on holiday as you can't afford it is a silly argument.

Why?

Because going on that holiday or whatever else in the list is the same if you are single or a couple and that is what the debate is about.

It should be the same price for all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone.

If it was the same for all, then the single guys prices could be lowered.

Instead of, free for single women, £20 couples and £40 single males (£60 total), why not just have £15 per head (would still work out to £60) fairer to all as all paying the same.

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By *dventuroususCouple over a year ago

sunderland

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone.

If it was the same for all, then the single guys prices could be lowered.

Instead of, free for single women, £20 couples and £40 single males (£60 total), why not just have £15 per head (would still work out to £60) fairer to all as all paying the same.

but then the club is losing out if they manage to fill to capacity, the reason they do it the way they do is to say our entry is £40 but you can get in for £20 its an incentive, so at the minute they can fill there capacity with single males but not couples or single females, if they were to charge every one the same the club would lose out in the long run, do you not think club owners will have researched all this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but then the club is losing out if they manage to fill to capacity, the reason they do it the way they do is to say our entry is £40 but you can get in for £20 its an incentive, so at the minute they can fill there capacity with single males but not couples or single females, if they were to charge every one the same the club would lose out in the long run, do you not think club owners will have researched all this."

Hmm they manage to do ok and normally fill to capicity when it's just a couples night so I don't think that is the problem.

When it's a couples night, If it was the same price for all/per head, they would actually make more anyway if was say charging £15 per head instead of £20 per couple.

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By *aveandkate35Couple over a year ago

telford

"Well saying not going to a club because you can't afford it is like not going on holiday as you can't afford it is a silly argument.

Why?

Because going on that holiday or whatever else in the list is the same if you are single or a couple and that is what the debate is about.

It should be the same price for all."

I think you've missed the point, supply and demand and that's it. Whether it's holidays or swinging clubs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you've missed the point, supply and demand and that's it. Whether it's holidays or swinging clubs.

I probably have, Just don't think it's very fair

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

I agree that single guys do get the rough end of the stick with entrance prices, however I can see why the clubs do it.

Also having seen many posts and had conversations with people about parties/gangbangs/guest lists and having helped organise one myself last year for the clubs to limit the amount of single guys is great idea in principle but I think they would have to book and maybe pre pay to secure their place) everyone could do this not just the guys mind you) as a lot of people say they are going to attend then don't bother.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your putting the same arguments up now that have been said loads of times on this very same thread already.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

"Your putting the same arguments up now that have been said loads of times on this very same thread already. "

No different to most other threads then.

I didn't read them all so no idea what was already said..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Your putting the same arguments up now that have been said loads of times on this very same thread already.

No different to most other threads then.

I didn't read them all so no idea what was already said.. "

Yeah I'm sorry.

Just grown weary of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone.

I think the issue is that it's only guys that are being charged £40 per person.

If you go to Tesco, they don't charge you more for things if you're a single man. And you don't get things cheaper because you're a couple.

It's fundamentally not fair, because clubs charge women and couples less than single men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

WOnder what would be said if they changed it to single guys get in free and women not or couples free and singles not

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"It's fundamentally not fair, because clubs charge women and couples less than single men."

No, it's not fair - it's market forces.

Is it fair that students get discounts or OAP's get discounts - that's age discrimination. Why do theme parks do family tickets instead of charging per head? Why do hairdressers charge more than barbers when they cut short hair? All things that aren't fair.

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By *ollypops181Woman over a year ago

exmouth

"Singles should pay more than couples no matter what sex."

Not one to normally get involved in these but I had to with this one! I'm sorry to say that morally wrong or not the fact stands that whether or not you attend a club for the social side or the sex, the chances are that as a man you would be very hard pushed to get more than one or two 'like minded' women to come socialise like this with you anywhere else, were as, as a single women I could very easily arrange to have ten like minded men come straight to my house (not a brag, fact of life). The unfortunate fact for you guys is we have other options to get a night like those hosted by clubs, most men especially single ones don't have that option. The clubs know this and need us to keep their business running.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's fundamentally not fair, because clubs charge women and couples less than single men.

No, it's not fair - it's market forces.

No, they aren't fair. You're right.

But we're not talking about those things, we're talking about swingers clubs.

Personally I find it pretty fucking distasteful to decide how much money to charge someone based on their genitals. That isn't the same as financial status - like students.

(If any clubs want to do a student discount though - I'm all ears!)

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"It's fundamentally not fair, because clubs charge women and couples less than single men.

No, it's not fair - it's market forces.

No, they aren't fair. You're right.

But we're not talking about those things, we're talking about swingers clubs.

Personally I find it pretty fucking distasteful to decide how much money to charge someone based on their genitals. That isn't the same as financial status - like students.

(If any clubs want to do a student discount though - I'm all ears!)"

So you're happy for me to subsidise you then because you're a student?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"(If any clubs want to do a student discount though - I'm all ears!)

So you're happy for me to subsidise you then because you're a student?"

It was a bit tongue in cheek. I don't need a discount to afford a £40 night out, but I appreciate that I work very hard as a freelancer to be able to afford nice things.

I don't have a problem with subsidising those who are on reduced incomes. Disability, benefits, students. That's good business sense, because it means that you're getting their loyalty for when they do have money.

I find it distasteful to charge someone more based on a bit of skin though. And I dislike all the implications that has for women who are being used as 'bait'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where is the issue?? Really? I just don't get it??

I will just comment on this bit.

The issue is,

It's nothing to do with how big the single male queue to join is, some guys just cant afford £40+ plus membership that would love to go so charge per head I think and make it fairer to everyone."

I'd love an Aston Martin so I think they should just charge everyone what I can afford to pay for one...that would be fair...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I will do a part 3 when thread is full.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd love an Aston Martin so I think they should just charge everyone what I can afford to pay for one...that would be fair..."

Aston Martin don't give them away to single women, and charge couples less.

Your argument is flawed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We re not anti single guys at all but this whining about entry fees ffs if you re not happy go and have a wank or book a pro the clubs are good value if you don't like don't go "
..iv been as a single guy and payed the prices and found a lot of the single guys were just old fellas who didnt have a chance of getting a fuck anywere i am now in a couple and yes its nice to get in free or reduced but i can see why..honey for the bees lol

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