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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. |
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over a year ago
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. "
I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Would you rather women paid the same rate & less went or paid less & more women went?"
paid the same and less went. They are grossly outnumbered as it is. So the club should stay profitable and open. Your not looking at my arguement from a judicial aspect your looking at it from "the woman is more valuable in a swingers club aspect than a man"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes. It is discrimination. It is not covered by the law.
My view though is that no one forces anyone to go to a club. If someone does not want to pay the entry price, then he can walk away. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in "
But how would the restriction be managed - first come first served? Only the good looking blokes get in? If only 5 women turn up one night, does that mean there will only be 10 people in the place?
It's not really a plight, tbh, I don't like the idea so just don't go. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes. It is discrimination. It is not covered by the law.
My view though is that no one forces anyone to go to a club. If someone does not want to pay the entry price, then he can walk away."
totally valid point it's a choice. I choose to pay it. But how is it not covered by the law? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You'd rather less women went? 
Unfortunately it's a case of supply & demand. I think the price should be less than it is for single men but I can understand why they pay more.
I went to Kestrels on a Saturday recently and there were about 5 men to every woman there. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
But how would the restriction be managed - first come first served? Only the good looking blokes get in? If only 5 women turn up one night, does that mean there will only be 10 people in the place?
It's not really a plight, tbh, I don't like the idea so just don't go."
restriction is discrimination so you can't! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
But how would the restriction be managed - first come first served? Only the good looking blokes get in? If only 5 women turn up one night, does that mean there will only be 10 people in the place?
It's not really a plight, tbh, I don't like the idea so just don't go. restriction is discrimination so you can't! "
I thought this was covered by private members' clubs legislation, so they can restrict or price on whatever basis they choose. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You'd rather less women went?
Unfortunately it's a case of supply & demand. I think the price should be less than it is for single men but I can understand why they pay more.
I went to Kestrels on a Saturday recently and there were about 5 men to every woman there."
it is supply and demand yes. Look I'm having a wee moan. I totally understand why it's higher! I totally understand. My proposal is a loyality scheme! The club you mention is the one in referring to. Fancy meeting there? Lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
But how would the restriction be managed - first come first served? Only the good looking blokes get in? If only 5 women turn up one night, does that mean there will only be 10 people in the place?
It's not really a plight, tbh, I don't like the idea so just don't go. restriction is discrimination so you can't!
I thought this was covered by private members' clubs legislation, so they can restrict or price on whatever basis they choose."
it could be! I am not aware of private members club legislation! I've maybe missed the big legal loop hole! Me silly  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Start your own club up. 
And have the prices and admission policy that you feel is correct.......I believe bankruptcy is discharged after 7 years these days "
by the grace of goodwill and financial management I don't know bankruptcy legislation! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Yes. It is discrimination. It is not covered by the law.
My view though is that no one forces anyone to go to a club. If someone does not want to pay the entry price, then he can walk away. totally valid point it's a choice. I choose to pay it. But how is it not covered by the law? "
it is covered by law... and is actually covered in the discrimination act
where you are can prove that a section of people are proportionally under-represented, then you can discount to offset that
all a club would have to do is up the price... watch the numbers of women (and couples) drop.... and prove that!
people like to compare the price to others.... thats not the way i compare, I compare what i would pay to go to a swinging club, to what i would be paying to do anything else on the same night i would be doing otherwise....
for most people, the price isn't the issue... its that the price is stopping people from going as often as they would like |
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not all clubs charge ridiculous prices and memberships. I know of 3 in the Northwest that I've been to.
The problems with clubs that charge so much, I've found that the guys expect to get sex, that they're entitled to it because they've paid so much to get in. They're the type of clubs where guys follow you, thinking they don't need to make an effort to socialise or even say hello. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes. It is discrimination. It is not covered by the law.
My view though is that no one forces anyone to go to a club. If someone does not want to pay the entry price, then he can walk away. totally valid point it's a choice. I choose to pay it. But how is it not covered by the law?
it is covered by law... and is actually covered in the discrimination act
where you are can prove that a section of people are proportionally under-represented, then you can discount to offset that
all a club would have to do is up the price... watch the numbers of women (and couples) drop.... and prove that!
people like to compare the price to others.... thats not the way i compare, I compare what i would pay to go to a swinging club, to what i would be paying to do anything else on the same night i would be doing otherwise....
for most people, the price isn't the issue... its that the price is stopping people from going as often as they would like"
logical approach.. That's how I price it in my head £40 in to look at beautiful woman or £100 a night on the piss and a hangover. Swingers club wins hands down! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd rather less women went?
Unfortunately it's a case of supply & demand. I think the price should be less than it is for single men but I can understand why they pay more.
I went to Kestrels on a Saturday recently and there were about 5 men to every woman there. it is supply and demand yes. Look I'm having a wee moan. I totally understand why it's higher! I totally understand. My proposal is a loyality scheme! The club you mention is the one in referring to. Fancy meeting there? Lol "
A loyalty scheme is an excellent idea |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in "
So you could have a queue of men waiting outside for a similar number of women to turn up? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"not all clubs charge ridiculous prices and memberships. I know of 3 in the Northwest that I've been to.
The problems with clubs that charge so much, I've found that the guys expect to get sex, that they're entitled to it because they've paid so much to get in. They're the type of clubs where guys follow you, thinking they don't need to make an effort to socialise or even say hello. "
disagree slightly... i would say if someone goes with the idea of "well i have paid my money" i don't it matters what the price of the club you got into was..... those people are going to stand out a mile regardless
I think part of the problem is actually the "clubs" that aren't actually clubs feeding a perception that isnt true of most clubs.... that they are a brothel by another name!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
So you could have a queue of men waiting outside for a similar number of women to turn up?"
they'd not queue vast majority are married and affraid to be seen. So it would restrict men lol |
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"not all clubs charge ridiculous prices and memberships. I know of 3 in the Northwest that I've been to.
The problems with clubs that charge so much, I've found that the guys expect to get sex, that they're entitled to it because they've paid so much to get in. They're the type of clubs where guys follow you, thinking they don't need to make an effort to socialise or even say hello.
disagree slightly... i would say if someone goes with the idea of "well i have paid my money" i don't it matters what the price of the club you got into was..... those people are going to stand out a mile regardless
I think part of the problem is actually the "clubs" that aren't actually clubs feeding a perception that isnt true of most clubs.... that they are a brothel by another name!
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It's what I've experienced on many occasions, even to the extent of guys not taking no for an answer, unwanted groping, no matter how vocal I am, in insisting no. It got that bad, that I would only go with a friend, but now I am back to going on my own at the 3 clubs that don't over charge men and now I play with them, whereas I used to only chat to them. I really have noticed a huge difference. |
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Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!  |
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up! "
being pawned?
We are allowed to say no, you know!
Besides, I'm happy to just go socially, chill in the jacuzzi and chat with like minded adults. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do see your point, it is unfair and discrimination, however some clubs like eureka's do charge reasonable prices for men, being the same rate as couples, also offer free silver membership to males/ladies/couples so not charging more for single men
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up! "
But it's totally ok to use a female as a means to get in cheaper? Using your logic those women who accept your kind invite are being pawned but by you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
But it's totally ok to use a female as a means to get in cheaper? Using your logic those women who accept your kind invite are being pawned but by you."
Haha,scored an og there |
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
being pawned?
We are allowed to say no, you know!
Besides, I'm happy to just go socially, chill in the jacuzzi and chat with like minded adults."
I wonder what your confusion is about.
P A W N E D 
We lure the women in with free crisps, free jacuzzi, free ac, free music. And then CHARGE the men to come see/chat/fuck the said women.
Ya git me drift?  |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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I thought this was covered by private members' clubs legislation, so they can restrict or price on whatever basis they choose."
It is and the law was changed in 2010.
Now it is a very grey area of law in certain circumstances they cannot charge diferently based on sex but they can positively discriminate.
This means for example if the owner charges less of femals to boost the female attendence it is positive discrimination and legal. If he/she charges men extra to discourage men attending it is negative discrimination and illegal. |
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I thought this was covered by private members' clubs legislation, so they can restrict or price on whatever basis they choose.
It is and the law was changed in 2010.
Now it is a very grey area of law in certain circumstances they cannot charge diferently based on sex but they can positively discriminate.
This means for example if the owner charges less of femals to boost the female attendence it is positive discrimination and legal. If he/she charges men extra to discourage men attending it is negative discrimination and illegal."
So, in short, it depends on who is looking, innit?  (can't believe I said innit) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"not all clubs charge ridiculous prices and memberships. I know of 3 in the Northwest that I've been to.
The problems with clubs that charge so much, I've found that the guys expect to get sex, that they're entitled to it because they've paid so much to get in. They're the type of clubs where guys follow you, thinking they don't need to make an effort to socialise or even say hello. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Simple economics isn't it, supply and demand.
If people are prepared to pay then that's what will be charged.
Let's get it into perspective, these are places where you can meet women and actually have sex with them, infact that's why the women are there, and your moaning about having to pay to get in |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? "
I am at a loss to understand why anyone is worried about discrimination.
Most people go to sex clubs to satisfy their own selfish needs .
A lot of single men prefer the prices to be high as it keeps the mix of men to ladies \ couples more even.
Anyone believing the prices to be unfair is entitled to organise their own parties and ask those whom they see fit .
No one is compelled to attend a se x club.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up! "
so you use women to get in cheaper as part of a couple....
my.... how noble of you!!!!!!!!!
not so "prinicipled" now.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it's been said before, but prices never drop only rise, so logic would say if you want equal prices everyone would need to pay £70 each for Abfab…… ladies would you pay £70? And couples would you pay £140 to get in?
I thought Abfab did a not too publicised loyalty card. |
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
so you use women to get in cheaper as part of a couple....
my.... how noble of you!!!!!!!!!
not so "prinicipled" now.... "
I am compelled to comment now _abio has spoken.
The only time you will see me in a club is when I go in TOGETHER WITH A WOMAN.
Not to meet someone. Not in the hope of meeting someone. Only TOGETHER WITH A WOMAN.
You find anything wrong with that, well opinions are indeed like noses - flat, pointed, upturned, long, crooked, ..... |
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OK I have gone through this before but here goes, in the real world.
Local club night attendance recently
Single women 2 @ £10 = £20
Single men 20 @ £40 = £800
Couples(MF) 7 @ £30 = £210
Total nights revenue £1030
36 individuals attending
So if each charged equally
= 1030/36 = £28 lets call it £30 and throw in free soft drinks etc.
Odds of the two single females attending 0.01%
Odds of the seven couples attending 0.01%
Interestingly this same club charges couples £60-70 on couples only nights so these numbers seem consistent
No swing club in the UK I am aware of is run by a philanthropist or charitable foundation, they are all commercial enterprises. If they could make more money with a different pricing structure one of them would and the rest would soon follow. So basic economics dictates the current pricing structure.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think it's been said before, but prices never drop only rise, so logic would say if you want equal prices everyone would need to pay £70 each for Abfab…… ladies would you pay £70? And couples would you pay £140 to get in?
I thought Abfab did a not too publicised loyalty card. "
they may do! I'll have to investigate! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"OK I have gone through this before but here goes, in the real world.
Local club night attendance recently
Single women 2 @ £10 = £20
Single men 20 @ £40 = £800
Couples(MF) 7 @ £30 = £210
Total nights revenue £1030
36 individuals attending
So if each charged equally
= 1030/36 = £28 lets call it £30 and throw in free soft drinks etc.
Odds of the two single females attending 0.01%
Odds of the seven couples attending 0.01%
Interestingly this same club charges couples £60-70 on couples only nights so these numbers seem consistent
No swing club in the UK I am aware of is run by a philanthropist or charitable foundation, they are all commercial enterprises. If they could make more money with a different pricing structure one of them would and the rest would soon follow. So basic economics dictates the current pricing structure.
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dear lord I love you! You have put a mathematical solution to this! Great logic and well worked out. Brings me back to uni days do "statistical methods". They always said I'd need it! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
so you use women to get in cheaper as part of a couple....
my.... how noble of you!!!!!!!!!
not so "prinicipled" now.... "
valid point big man! I was in a swingers club and it was suggested by a female I become her entry buddy! In essence she pays nothing I save a tenner. I agreed on one condition she buys me a McDonald's in way home. She's not spoke to me since! |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? "
Simply put its called MARKET FORCES...
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"Yes. It is discrimination. It is not covered by the law.
My view though is that no one forces anyone to go to a club. If someone does not want to pay the entry price, then he can walk away. totally valid point it's a choice. I choose to pay it. But how is it not covered by the law? "
I suggest that you try to bring a test case, then you'll find out if it is or isn't.  |
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By *andcCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire and London |
Private member clubs are allowed to take positive action on memberships. So because less women go to swingers clubs they are allowed to charge less, hoping they will encourage more female members. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Simply put its called MARKET FORCES...
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? "
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over"
the price is not the argument the discrimination is! |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over the price is not the argument the discrimination is! "
I don't see anyone inside complaining. I think most members (with brain cells) understand that the men subsidise the women. That's the only way a club like that can operate effectively |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over the price is not the argument the discrimination is!
I don't see anyone inside complaining. I think most members (with brain cells) understand that the men subsidise the women. That's the only way a club like that can operate effectively "
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
so you use women to get in cheaper as part of a couple....
my.... how noble of you!!!!!!!!!
not so "prinicipled" now.... valid point big man! I was in a swingers club and it was suggested by a female I become her entry buddy! In essence she pays nothing I save a tenner. I agreed on one condition she buys me a McDonald's in way home. She's not spoke to me since! "
I don't blame her. Why would she owe you a McDonald's? Your the one saving a tenner. She would of paid nothing. Better for women to go in by themselves than be lumbered with someone using them to save money. |
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"Well well well, I for one, do not go to clubs anymore simply due to this huge price anomaly.
I won't even meet anyone there!
I will only go to a swinging club if I was going TOGETHER WITH a female.
My advice is VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.
The women whose arses are being "pawned" in these clubs but don't see a dime, are to wake up!
so you use women to get in cheaper as part of a couple....
my.... how noble of you!!!!!!!!!
not so "prinicipled" now.... valid point big man! I was in a swingers club and it was suggested by a female I become her entry buddy! In essence she pays nothing I save a tenner. I agreed on one condition she buys me a McDonald's in way home. She's not spoke to me since!
I don't blame her. Why would she owe you a McDonald's? Your the one saving a tenner. She would of paid nothing. Better for women to go in by themselves than be lumbered with someone using them to save money."
I did quote brain cells earlier. Think the OP is just an attention seeker myself in a sad and lonely world |
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"If you're using a service for "free" then YOU are the product!
Have a think about that guys, especially the ladies... "
A product that is free to decide what to do and does not have to do anything. Until we have artificial intelligence we must be the only product that can think for itself. |
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"If you're using a service for "free" then YOU are the product!
Have a think about that guys, especially the ladies... "
Women at clubs are used as bait. Men don't pay ridiculous prices to go along for a social. To pretend otherwise is delusional. |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? "
I think the men's entry fee to a club should be based on looks better looking in shape guys should get in cheaper ( supply and demand)  |
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"If you're using a service for "free" then YOU are the product!
Have a think about that guys, especially the ladies...
Women at clubs are used as bait. Men don't pay ridiculous prices to go along for a social. To pretend otherwise is delusional."
How dare you say that!!
"We" go there to soak in the atmosphere. Single guys go there because they are bored with their mates or probably they have no mates. Single females go there because they are single and free to go anywhere they choose.
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? I think the men's entry fee to a club should be based on looks better looking in shape guys should get in cheaper ( supply and demand) "
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"You'd rather less women went?
Unfortunately it's a case of supply & demand. I think the price should be less than it is for single men but I can understand why they pay more.
I went to Kestrels on a Saturday recently and there were about 5 men to every woman there."
Yes swingers clubs operate as a business. As a business they operate basic of supply and demand. Which is understandable.
And yes it it direct descrimination which is covered by law.
And yes most single men who go clubs who pay expensive prices are Foolish if they go occasionally like every 3 or months that understandable.
Unfortunately where there's is pussy and potential sex the common sense of a man is out of the door. |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Simply put its called MARKET FORCES...
ok I'll remind you of that when it comes to the wage war etc "
MARKET FORCES. I can't wait too. |
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"You'd rather less women went?
Unfortunately it's a case of supply & demand. I think the price should be less than it is for single men but I can understand why they pay more.
I went to Kestrels on a Saturday recently and there were about 5 men to every woman there."
Also it not fact that single women or couples are less like to come because they are charged fairly
Also for club to over charge single guys because they think it gonna reduce the number of single guys is a lame excuse. Restrictions of single guys is more common sense. |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? I think the men's entry fee to a club should be based on looks better looking in shape guys should get in cheaper ( supply and demand)
How much do you think I would be charged, trade? "
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? "
supply and demand! !nothing to do with discrimination
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"I don't particularly like the idea, but I can completely understand why clubs do it. I stay away from anything that makes me feel like a commodity or bait though, e.g. sites that charge men but not women, and clubs. I 100% agree and I really don't envy your plight. Your followed around like a circus attraction (pardon the pun). But should I pay more for some simpletons lack of manners? Simple restriction policy 1 of each sex in
But how would the restriction be managed - first come first served? Only the good looking blokes get in? If only 5 women turn up one night, does that mean there will only be 10 people in the place?
It's not really a plight, tbh, I don't like the idea so just don't go. restriction is discrimination so you can't!
I thought this was covered by private members' clubs legislation, so they can restrict or price on whatever basis they choose."
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"OK I have gone through this before but here goes, in the real world.
Local club night attendance recently
Single women 2 @ £10 = £20
Single men 20 @ £40 = £800
Couples(MF) 7 @ £30 = £210
Total nights revenue £1030
36 individuals attending
So if each charged equally
= 1030/36 = £28 lets call it £30 and throw in free soft drinks etc.
Odds of the two single females attending 0.01%
Odds of the seven couples attending 0.01%
Interestingly this same club charges couples £60-70 on couples only nights so these numbers seem consistent
No swing club in the UK I am aware of is run by a philanthropist or charitable foundation, they are all commercial enterprises. If they could make more money with a different pricing structure one of them would and the rest would soon follow. So basic economics dictates the current pricing structure.
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If they have loyalty scheme and restrictions of number of men they I believe they would make more money than their current. Imagine because about 8 or more single women would turn and 18 couples because and single men are capped at 15. Single women and couples would attend this club regularly because they feel comfortable because they pay less because of loyalty scheme and restrictions of the number of men. |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over the price is not the argument the discrimination is!
I don't see anyone inside complaining. I think most members (with brain cells) understand that the men subsidise the women. That's the only way a club like that can operate effectively "
You have opinion the OP has opinion. No need to be condescending. If you have brain cells you would know it a debate not an attack on anyone |
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"If you're using a service for "free" then YOU are the product!
Have a think about that guys, especially the ladies...
Women at clubs are used as bait. Men don't pay ridiculous prices to go along for a social. To pretend otherwise is delusional.
How dare you say that!!
"We" go there to soak in the atmosphere. Single guys go there because they are bored with their mates or probably they have no mates. Single females go there because they are single and free to go anywhere they choose.
Watch it! "
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views? I think the men's entry fee to a club should be based on looks better looking in shape guys should get in cheaper ( supply and demand)
How much do you think I would be charged, trade? nice smile but no way you get in cheaper than me hehe "
As long as I don't get to pay £60 while you pay£1.50 and I get to fuck all the big titted women. |
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Take a look out in the big bad world op, theres positive discrimination everywhere, go to a football match, or get on a bus, why should an older or younger person get to sit in the same seats for half the price,
Clubs arent breaking any laws, they arent even charging men more, what they are doing is charging women less, you pay full price, women get a discount,
Think about a supermarket, it has 2 different types of the same product, they both the same price, 1 sells all the time the other barely sells any, so it puts a special offer on and reduces the price to make it more attractive, its the same thing, theres more than enough men so they can charge full price, but they would like more women so they offer a discount, the simple answer is if you dont like it then dont go, no one is forcing you. |
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"Right I know that the topic has been broached before. Costs into clubs are more expensive for single guys that's a fact. Single girls are admitted into clubs cheaper than their male EQUALS. This is in my eyes discrimination. Discrimination is defined as "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age or sex. So when I attend clubs I'm discriminated on due to my sex. Imagine an Irish black pensioner woman going to the cinema and being told your ticket in is more expensive than your White American male under 30s friend. The uproar would be crazy! Any views?
Not this again!!!! Most charge £25-40 depending on day. I think for the service and facilities it's a fair price. I'm sick of reading of how single males are discriminated against. It's just the way of life. The girls always got more spins on the Waltzers - deal with it by thinking about it logically. I'd rather have a choice of clubs than to have them all close down because of equality. Rant over the price is not the argument the discrimination is!
I don't see anyone inside complaining. I think most members (with brain cells) understand that the men subsidise the women. That's the only way a club like that can operate effectively
You have opinion the OP has opinion. No need to be condescending. If you have brain cells you would know it a debate not an attack on anyone"
But the amount of times we've seen it in the forum. The OP should have searched for discrimination and commented on that instead of fanning the flames once more. Nothing will change. As most members have said, it's market forces. Like it or lump it. |
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Take a Look at gov.UK web site. they have examples of what is or isn't discrimination
it says Private clubs are able to offer different types of membership at different prices or on different terms, providing each type of membership is open to all regardless of a person’s protected characteristics.
It also explains what defines a private club and sorry to say they all seem to fall into this category
Our local club offers great value to singles and is free entrance on Wednesday and Thursday's for single members |
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Oh we have found the discrimination police.
Sex isn't a cheap activity. If you don't have the money, don't go.
I have a question for all the men who complain about pricing at a swing club.
Do you go to a pub on ladies night , and complain to management that they don't have a gentleman's night? Which men get in free.  |
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"Take a look out in the big bad world op, theres positive discrimination everywhere, go to a football match, or get on a bus, why should an older or younger person get to sit in the same seats for half the price,
Clubs arent breaking any laws, they arent even charging men more, what they are doing is charging women less, you pay full price, women get a discount,
Think about a supermarket, it has 2 different types of the same product, they both the same price, 1 sells all the time the other barely sells any, so it puts a special offer on and reduces the price to make it more attractive, its the same thing, theres more than enough men so they can charge full price, but they would like more women so they offer a discount, the simple answer is if you dont like it then dont go, no one is forcing you."
Erm, everything you've said above is true. Very true.
I have one issue though. Everything happening here is all what I call "intellectual masturbation" or if you like, mental acrobatics. The OP does not have a problem at all. The topic is not the OP's problem.
Let's keep it impersonal please. |
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"Take a look out in the big bad world op, theres positive discrimination everywhere, go to a football match, or get on a bus, why should an older or younger person get to sit in the same seats for half the price,
Clubs arent breaking any laws, they arent even charging men more, what they are doing is charging women less, you pay full price, women get a discount,
Think about a supermarket, it has 2 different types of the same product, they both the same price, 1 sells all the time the other barely sells any, so it puts a special offer on and reduces the price to make it more attractive, its the same thing, theres more than enough men so they can charge full price, but they would like more women so they offer a discount, the simple answer is if you dont like it then dont go, no one is forcing you.
Erm, everything you've said above is true. Very true.
I have one issue though. Everything happening here is all what I call "intellectual masturbation" or if you like, mental acrobatics. The OP does not have a problem at all. The topic is not the OP's problem.
Let's keep it impersonal please. "
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"OK I have gone through this before but here goes, in the real world.
Local club night attendance recently
Single women 2 @ £10 = £20
Single men 20 @ £40 = £800
Couples(MF) 7 @ £30 = £210
Total nights revenue £1030
36 individuals attending
So if each charged equally
= 1030/36 = £28 lets call it £30 and throw in free soft drinks etc.
Odds of the two single females attending 0.01%
Odds of the seven couples attending 0.01%
Interestingly this same club charges couples £60-70 on couples only nights so these numbers seem consistent
No swing club in the UK I am aware of is run by a philanthropist or charitable foundation, they are all commercial enterprises. If they could make more money with a different pricing structure one of them would and the rest would soon follow. So basic economics dictates the current pricing structure.
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. Nicely presented and a very realistic approach.. |
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