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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
With Kestrels still trying to find premises, it got me thinking, was there an alternative way to set up a club? As part of a hotel for example? Reception already set up to keep ID records and take credit cards, and if info is compromised, it's held by a hotel, not a swingers club, all perfectly innocent.
Give us a floor to ourselves, top floor probably easiest, beds showers, toilets, etc already in place, maybe just take out a couple of walls to join two rooms together to create larger spaces for social areas, a bar (hotel will already have a license in place), couples room, etc, remove a couple of bathrooms and replace with steam room, sauna and hot tubs if you can get the floor to support the weight, open up a balcony for smokers and as long as your sound proofing is reasonable, which should be the case anyway in a hotel, regular guests shouldn't even know what's going on. Neighbours shouldn't be disturbed as most big city hotels will have guests coming and going at odd hours anyway.
Feel free to poke holes in the idea, it was just a thought, unless of course anyone knows a struggling hotelier who could use the extra revenue.  |
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There are lots of factors to consider when opening a club or a prefab/temp club.
The main factors which will stop this going ahead is location location location. No just the council under which the venue comes under, but where it is in conjunction to surrounding businesses, churches, schools and houses.
Then the licences needed may not be granted in such premises. Would it be granted the sex entertainment venue licence? This allows people to have sex in public, walk around scantilly clad, grind someone during a lap dance... you get my drift lol
Each council has it's own list of additional licences which are specific to that area. There's a reason why some areas have lots of clubs and some have none. Some councils, like ours on the Wirral are super strict and you need a letter from God to have a club approved. Whereas the Greater Manchester Councils are more open to clubs and will help owners along with the licence applications and maybe a bit more lenient.
All licences would have to be approved by said surrounding business, schools, churches and houses before it was granted.
Long gone are the days were you have a space doing nothing and you can just open a club I'm afraid.
There's nothing stopping people approaching a hotel for a one off hire of a floor, but anything more regular would need proper authority or the hotel could be shut down.
Lastly, there's the money factor. All the stuff you suggested like moving walls etc... it all costs and regardless of the hotel already having some stuff in place, it's not set up for the security and discretion that is needed for a club, so there would be a fair amount of work to be done....we'd be talking tens of thousands for a basic set up and licences.
If only it was as easy as you make out hey??  |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
Stoke area |
What's to stop other hotel guests pressing the top floor button in the lift and stumbling across the naughtiness ! They then take photos and go to the press .
It seems a clever idea initially, but don't think it's possible, plus all the stuff townhouse said  |
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
Oh, I know it wouldn't be easy, I mentioned Kestrels at the start so I know what a nuisance councils can be on the subject, I just thought it might be easier with this sort of business and infrastructure already in place than starting from scratch with a blank canvas. |
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
"What's to stop other hotel guests pressing the top floor button in the lift and stumbling across the naughtiness ! They then take photos and go to the press .
It seems a clever idea initially, but don't think it's possible, plus all the stuff townhouse said "
Quite a few hotels use room key cards to control lifts so you can only "get off" at your floor. |
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Townhouse are right about the legal issues but IMHO the original poster wasn’t too far off the mark with their suggestion of using a hotel. Mixing swingers with regular guests however would never work. Hotels are very dependent on good reviews on Tripadvisor to attract guests and a split use hotel would have lots of negative comments.
What should work is buying or leasing a small/medium hotel and making it an exclusive swingers hotel. An existing hotel will have all the necessary zoning approval and licenses and a council would find it hard to object to a lifestyle hotel especially as no change of usage would have to be declared. The big hotel chains are putting more and more pressure on the independent sector. Specialisation and niche positioning is one way small operators can survive and prosper. It wouldn't be cheap to do but it still could be a very profitable venture if done correctly.
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It’s one of those things that sounds great on paper but probably wouldn’t work in reality.
Taking a floor out would have to make sense financially as to whether it would yield a better return than keeping it vanilla.
And then, let’s say month on month, the numbers stack up, you’ve then got the issues of vanilla guests on the floor beneath complaining. Then the reputation of the hotel earns the perceived reputation of being “seedy” in the vanilla world and the initial return that was added to the monthly figures from the top floor gets sucked up to compensate for the loss of return in their main stream. And may even still run below normal figures.
A shame really because if culturally we were ready for such a venue (as a mainstream), then it would be like expanding on the model of the love motel, which are, I understand, a success in Japan. |
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There are B&Bs in Blackpool that run this model, albeit a smaller scale.
Despite the small area being saturated with B&Bs, I’d have thought that it’s a fantastic idea to mix the two together, especially to be different to the majority of hotels.
I know a couple have unfortunately closed in the past, but one or two to my knowledge are still open. It would suggest that it’s probably a lot tougher to implement, despite it all sounding so right. |
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
There's definitely issues with the idea. Complaints from the floor below could be minimised by keeping the swingers who also book a room on that floor, but the TripAdvisor statement is right. I'm sure that most on here if going into a place like this would be sensible and discreet enough to try and blend in with the vanilla guests as you came through the lobby but it only takes one idiot trying to convince a bunch of girls staying there for a sales conference to come up and try the place out and the negative publicity would start circulating pretty quick. |
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We went to a social which also incorporated vanilla patrons of the pub. It was ok, but certainly wasn't ideal tbh.
Probably wouldn't work OP for this reason alone.
What about seperate houses that host regular organised parties in turn? All you would need is a few willing swingers to work together and have swanky pads |
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
"We went to a social which also incorporated vanilla patrons of the pub. It was ok, but certainly wasn't ideal tbh.
Probably wouldn't work OP for this reason alone.
What about seperate houses that host regular organised parties in turn? All you would need is a few willing swingers to work together and have swanky pads "
Yeah, I've been to socials in pubs where you're not sure who's a swinger or what the people at the next table might have over heard, lol.
Not sure I have many friends with swanky pads.  |
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By *inkvaderMan
over a year ago
london/manchester/ringwood |
Mood and music!!!
Music Plays a massive factor.... I've been in the music business for over 20 years playing clubs and festivals… Music sets the ambience....
What ideas do you have ... when it comes to incorporating lighting with your music
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
"Mood and music!!!
Music Plays a massive factor.... I've been in the music business for over 20 years playing clubs and festivals… Music sets the ambience....
What ideas do you have ... when it comes to incorporating lighting with your music"
Not thought that far to be honest, but my general opinion on music in swingers clubs is it should be background only, you need to be able to have a conversation in the social areas of any club. I love going to Eurekas with friends and being out on the dance floor but as a single guy it's very difficult to meet anyone new when you have to shout over the music in the main part of the club. Also, in the kind of club I'm talking about above, the music can't be loud enough to be heard in the hotel rooms below.
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We’ve been to several hotel “takeovers” in the USA. The organisers usually hire the whole building for a long weekend...Often Thursday to Sunday, and then have the ability to monitor and regulate the areas. It also then allows the pools to be clothing optional etc.
They have theme parties each evening and make several of the rooms into playrooms.
Florida, Las Vegas and especially New Orleans are famous for them. They are awesome.... |
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By *onny MC OP Man
over a year ago
Crawley |
"We’ve been to several hotel “takeovers” in the USA. The organisers usually hire the whole building for a long weekend...Often Thursday to Sunday, and then have the ability to monitor and regulate the areas. It also then allows the pools to be clothing optional etc.
They have theme parties each evening and make several of the rooms into playrooms.
Florida, Las Vegas and especially New Orleans are famous for them. They are awesome...."
That does sound awesome, I spoke to the couple who run Swingfields about getting a holiday camp for a weekend off-season (like the promoters do for festivals like Hard Rock Hell or All Tomorrow's Parties) after The Sun got a photographer in in 2016 as it would be a more secure site but they wanted to stick to the summer. |
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Most American swinging clubs. Are 100% couples with all paying the up keep of the club. .... so if the bills are £1600 a week it’s divided between each member. ..... they tend to invite a few male or female porn stars as guests ( paid though ) at events. .... it’s totaly different in the US. |
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By *inkvaderMan
over a year ago
london/manchester/ringwood |
"Mood and music!!!
Music Plays a massive factor.... I've been in the music business for over 20 years playing clubs and festivals… Music sets the ambience....
What ideas do you have ... when it comes to incorporating lighting with your music
Not thought that far to be honest, but my general opinion on music in swingers clubs is it should be background only, you need to be able to have a conversation in the social areas of any club. I love going to Eurekas with friends and being out on the dance floor but as a single guy it's very difficult to meet anyone new when you have to shout over the music in the main part of the club. Also, in the kind of club I'm talking about above, the music can't be loud enough to be heard in the hotel rooms below.
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Agree with keeping some parts as ambient .. but others areas require a selected tempos and lighting to enhance |
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By *inkvaderMan
over a year ago
london/manchester/ringwood |
"We’ve been to several hotel “takeovers” in the USA. The organisers usually hire the whole building for a long weekend...Often Thursday to Sunday, and then have the ability to monitor and regulate the areas. It also then allows the pools to be clothing optional etc.
They have theme parties each evening and make several of the rooms into playrooms.
Florida, Las Vegas and especially New Orleans are famous for them. They are awesome...."
You'll have to point me in that direction and recommend a couple of places ..I'm heading out west soon |
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