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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Please can you add pansexual as an option when registering.
Also change the term TV it’s so outdated and offensive now. Trans/CD would be better than TV.
There’s so many more genders and sexual pretences these days. It would be better to be more inclusive.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Please can you add pansexual as an option when registering.
Also change the term TV it’s so outdated and offensive now. Trans/CD would be better than TV.
There’s so many more genders and sexual pretences these days. It would be better to be more inclusive.
Thanks "
That should say preferences *** |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I prefer tgirl to cd as the latter conjures up an image I don't associate with. "
Tgirl is trans friendly but TV to me is transvestite it’s not a image that trans girls want to associate with.
Either way there should be more inclusive terms used like on the fetish lifestyle site.
Also add the option for pan! Not everyone is gay straight bi.
Also non binary would be good.
Be more inclusive. |
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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago
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Tgirl isn't broadly transfriendly. It's not a term widely supported by many lgbt groups because it's predominantly used in porn.
If people choose to use the term to describe themselves thats their prerogative but it's a risky term to use to describe transwomen generally as many will find it offensive
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Please no.
Beyond tedious, divisive navel gazing & garbage, made-up concepts such as "non binary.
Laden with the boring need to be a victim
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Pansexual is bisexual |
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Posted ad nauseum here and discussed forever. These are several different elements of what it is to be human. The trans area, as a protected characteristic, is something that only should be for those of us identified these ways, should have sway over - it should not be subject to what is preferable etc to other people.
The trans categorisation here is largely very good. |
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"Please no.
Beyond tedious, divisive navel gazing & garbage, made-up concepts such as "non binary.
Laden with the boring need to be a victim
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Pansexual is bisexual"
Pan is not bi. Nor is NB a made up concept. You may not believe in it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I'm shocked that someone who is experimenting with gender has that attitude. (I can't actually tell from your profile if you're a CD, TV or TS!)
Which just strengthens the argument we need a little more refinement.
Crossdressing is identified as an activity, and has no bearing on gender, so perhaps CD's should use that instead of having their own gender?
When I was a TV (or TGirl as I preferred at the time) I had my own persona so a different gender to male makes sense. Also TV could refer to F2M (TBoy?) so I guess TV allows both.
But now I've started down the TS route I can see it's different again, but as its still a general term (again could mean M2F or F2M) it's difficult to express myself without a good write up in the profile.
I'd like to see 3 main options for single genders. Male, female and non-binary. Then have options for TV and TS to supplement it, so for example I started as a male who enjoyed crossdressing, then I was a male TV, now I'm a female TS. Might also allow couples with a TV or TS partner to identify easier too? |
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How can anyone even attempt to respond to this without fear of offending someone. We are living in a no win world and that goes for everyone.
What I will say though is there are options:
1. You don’t have to be here, it’s voluntary.
2. Identify and specify. Use a box to loosely identify and specify with your profile heading (usually catches the eye) even more identify specifically in your profile.
3. Pictures-we all know a picture paints a thousand words.
4. Create your own group of friends and use the ban button (sure I’ll get a shit load after this)
5. It’s not all about YOU. This is a social site for people who are into swinging. People forget this!!
6. Last but not least. Sandra and Sharon from FB have a hotline, it’s a bit like Dear Deidre for those that read that crap tabloid.
Have a lovely day everyone and remember we are all Gods creatures unless you are the devils work
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yet another thread related to Trans issues being dogpiled by a crossdresser.
Every time they come into threads like this with hostility parroting the same transphobic shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Most people on here dont care what you call yourself. If you have a body they want to fuck with and youll let them, they dont care.
But if youre going to make a song and dance about it, most will stay away and not bother you.
Write it in your bio, put some pics up so they know what you look like and get on with enjoying yourself
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Honestly, given the lack of any sort of response from the admins and seeing how these threads get dogpilled once and again, I would recommend that trans women just categorize themselves as women and then mention it in their profiles, which is very much what I do.
Don't give in to the haters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Please no.
Beyond tedious, divisive navel gazing & garbage, made-up concepts such as "non binary.
Laden with the boring need to be a victim
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Pansexual is bisexual
Pan is not bi. Nor is NB a made up concept. You may not believe in it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I'm shocked that someone who is experimenting with gender has that attitude. (I can't actually tell from your profile if you're a CD, TV or TS!)
Which just strengthens the argument we need a little more refinement.
Crossdressing is identified as an activity, and has no bearing on gender, so perhaps CD's should use that instead of having their own gender?
When I was a TV (or TGirl as I preferred at the time) I had my own persona so a different gender to male makes sense. Also TV could refer to F2M (TBoy?) so I guess TV allows both.
But now I've started down the TS route I can see it's different again, but as its still a general term (again could mean M2F or F2M) it's difficult to express myself without a good write up in the profile.
I'd like to see 3 main options for single genders. Male, female and non-binary. Then have options for TV and TS to supplement it, so for example I started as a male who enjoyed crossdressing, then I was a male TV, now I'm a female TS. Might also allow couples with a TV or TS partner to identify easier too?
Christ
Do you not realise how beyond BORING You lot are??
Everyone is sick of it!
It's also fucking up so many young people's lives with this cult mumbo jumbo.
Also tramples all over women's rights
Causing a huge backlash
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I just think a little more inclusivity would be a good thing. My girlfriend is a trans woman a though she is post op so I just see her as female. I am pan.
I’ll put it in my profile but it would be good to see it added to the site as an option.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Please no.
Beyond tedious, divisive navel gazing & garbage, made-up concepts such as "non binary.
Laden with the boring need to be a victim
Ps
Pansexual is bisexual
Pan is not bi. Nor is NB a made up concept. You may not believe in it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I'm shocked that someone who is experimenting with gender has that attitude. (I can't actually tell from your profile if you're a CD, TV or TS!)
Which just strengthens the argument we need a little more refinement.
Crossdressing is identified as an activity, and has no bearing on gender, so perhaps CD's should use that instead of having their own gender?
When I was a TV (or TGirl as I preferred at the time) I had my own persona so a different gender to male makes sense. Also TV could refer to F2M (TBoy?) so I guess TV allows both.
But now I've started down the TS route I can see it's different again, but as its still a general term (again could mean M2F or F2M) it's difficult to express myself without a good write up in the profile.
I'd like to see 3 main options for single genders. Male, female and non-binary. Then have options for TV and TS to supplement it, so for example I started as a male who enjoyed crossdressing, then I was a male TV, now I'm a female TS. Might also allow couples with a TV or TS partner to identify easier too?"
My girlfriend started out as a dresser. She is now a post op trans woman and I couldn’t be prouder of her. Transition and gender is not linear and the cis and non ally folk don’t realise this. That’s what bothers me. There’s some awful attitudes being expressed here and it’s fear. People fear the unknown. The looks me and my girl got yesterday out for a meal we’re incredibly hurtful and I just wish people would see the amazing human she is rather than worrying about what box to put her in.
Good luck with your journey my lovely. If you want someone to talk to who gets it I’m here. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Honestly, given the lack of any sort of response from the admins and seeing how these threads get dogpilled once and again, I would recommend that trans women just categorize themselves as women and then mention it in their profiles, which is very much what I do.
Don't give in to the haters "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ok if people are so against this idea what about the option to add your preferred pronouns? "
Why can't you just add them in your bio?
And that's shit form btw when you were out with your partner. Regardless of my opinions on this whole thing, folk have no business staring. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ok if people are so against this idea what about the option to add your preferred pronouns?
Why can't you just add them in your bio?
And that's shit form btw when you were out with your partner. Regardless of my opinions on this whole thing, folk have no business staring."
True but this isn’t specific to just me it’s for everyone. I have them on my social media pages.
And people are shit. Xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ok if people are so against this idea what about the option to add your preferred pronouns?
Why can't you just add them in your bio?
And that's shit form btw when you were out with your partner. Regardless of my opinions on this whole thing, folk have no business staring.
True but this isn’t specific to just me it’s for everyone. I have them on my social media pages.
And people are shit. Xx"
Everyone doesn't want to or believe that they should have to state their pronouns though. So for those who want to, crack on and put them in your bio. Like minded folk will see that and respect it. There should be no issue with that.
I'd never state mine though and have point blank refused to in any work situation. And I see no issue with that either.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are:
Gay, straight, binary, non-binary, pansexual, asexual, twin flamed....or any other term you can make up....
None of that matters, none of it!
What does matter?
Do I find you attractive and are you nice to me?
Most of us are a combination of the two. I don't need to know your pronoun to take you up the ass or let you take me up the ass. Just be nice to each other and be attracted to each other.
And I don't fear the unknown, I just don't like being told I'm an "ist" of some kind because I won't play guess the pronoun with you. Why should I have to respect your opinion when you obviously don't respect mine?
And I won't hate you for it or have some irrational fear of you, I just won't respect you because of the names you call me, because respect is earned.
And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. It just means you don't have the same beliefs in life.
If you look for problems you'll always find them. Try looking for resolution instead of just your own way all the time. You'll find people are much nicer in return and will respect you more. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If you are:
Gay, straight, binary, non-binary, pansexual, asexual, twin flamed....or any other term you can make up....
None of that matters, none of it!
What does matter?
Do I find you attractive and are you nice to me?
Most of us are a combination of the two. I don't need to know your pronoun to take you up the ass or let you take me up the ass. Just be nice to each other and be attracted to each other.
And I don't fear the unknown, I just don't like being told I'm an "ist" of some kind because I won't play guess the pronoun with you. Why should I have to respect your opinion when you obviously don't respect mine?
And I won't hate you for it or have some irrational fear of you, I just won't respect you because of the names you call me, because respect is earned.
And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. It just means you don't have the same beliefs in life.
If you look for problems you'll always find them. Try looking for resolution instead of just your own way all the time. You'll find people are much nicer in return and will respect you more. "
I assume this wasn’t a personal attack on myself and rather a generalised pov. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you are:
Gay, straight, binary, non-binary, pansexual, asexual, twin flamed....or any other term you can make up....
None of that matters, none of it!
What does matter?
Do I find you attractive and are you nice to me?
Most of us are a combination of the two. I don't need to know your pronoun to take you up the ass or let you take me up the ass. Just be nice to each other and be attracted to each other.
And I don't fear the unknown, I just don't like being told I'm an "ist" of some kind because I won't play guess the pronoun with you. Why should I have to respect your opinion when you obviously don't respect mine?
And I won't hate you for it or have some irrational fear of you, I just won't respect you because of the names you call me, because respect is earned.
And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. It just means you don't have the same beliefs in life.
If you look for problems you'll always find them. Try looking for resolution instead of just your own way all the time. You'll find people are much nicer in return and will respect you more.
I assume this wasn’t a personal attack on myself and rather a generalised pov. "
Never a personal attack. I don't know you personally and what you said wasn't directed at me personally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you are:
Gay, straight, binary, non-binary, pansexual, asexual, twin flamed....or any other term you can make up....
None of that matters, none of it!
What does matter?
Do I find you attractive and are you nice to me?
Most of us are a combination of the two. I don't need to know your pronoun to take you up the ass or let you take me up the ass. Just be nice to each other and be attracted to each other.
And I don't fear the unknown, I just don't like being told I'm an "ist" of some kind because I won't play guess the pronoun with you. Why should I have to respect your opinion when you obviously don't respect mine?
And I won't hate you for it or have some irrational fear of you, I just won't respect you because of the names you call me, because respect is earned.
And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. It just means you don't have the same beliefs in life.
If you look for problems you'll always find them. Try looking for resolution instead of just your own way all the time. You'll find people are much nicer in return and will respect you more. "
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"Honestly, given the lack of any sort of response from the admins and seeing how these threads get dogpilled once and again, I would recommend that trans women just categorize themselves as women and then mention it in their profiles, which is very much what I do.
Don't give in to the haters "
Exactly what I've done now, thankfully admin were awesome and processed it really quick. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fab trans topic bingo:
The CDs who claim everything is fine and dandy, and recognising trans people is somehow causing division.
The TERFs who claim recognising trans women lessens their rights.
The ignorant people who claim trans people are "looking for a problem".
OP deletes their account because they realise Fab is full of transphobes and mods allow them to abuse trans people."
According to the OP herself, she left because she met someone on Tinder and wanted to focus on their relationship.
But that doesn’t fit your narrative....never let the truth get in the way of a good story,eh?
And please stop using the term TERF. |
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"If you are:
Gay, straight, binary, non-binary, pansexual, asexual, twin flamed....or any other term you can make up....
None of that matters, none of it!
What does matter?
Do I find you attractive and are you nice to me?
Most of us are a combination of the two. I don't need to know your pronoun to take you up the ass or let you take me up the ass. Just be nice to each other and be attracted to each other.
And I don't fear the unknown, I just don't like being told I'm an "ist" of some kind because I won't play guess the pronoun with you. Why should I have to respect your opinion when you obviously don't respect mine?
And I won't hate you for it or have some irrational fear of you, I just won't respect you because of the names you call me, because respect is earned.
And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. It just means you don't have the same beliefs in life.
If you look for problems you'll always find them. Try looking for resolution instead of just your own way all the time. You'll find people are much nicer in return and will respect you more. "
The fact that you're mentioning gender and sexuality in the same sentence shows how ignorant you are in this topic.
You're gaslighting people into thinking they are the ones who are causing an issue. You're gaslighting them into thinking they're being offended over nothing.
If you don't like being called an 'ist' then perhaps you should educate yourself in this topic rather than put on this defiant act.
There is a resolution - Recognise trans people for who they are. You're being presented with a solution but you're refusing to accept it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fab trans topic bingo:
The CDs who claim everything is fine and dandy, and recognising trans people is somehow causing division.
The TERFs who claim recognising trans women lessens their rights.
The ignorant people who claim trans people are "looking for a problem".
OP deletes their account because they realise Fab is full of transphobes and mods allow them to abuse trans people.
According to the OP herself, she left because she met someone on Tinder and wanted to focus on their relationship.
But that doesn’t fit your narrative....never let the truth get in the way of a good story,eh?
And please stop using the term TERF. "
People who constantly go into threads like these, going out of their way to make trans people feel as subhuman and shitty as possible are TERFs
It's rather pathetic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fab trans topic bingo:
The CDs who claim everything is fine and dandy, and recognising trans people is somehow causing division.
The TERFs who claim recognising trans women lessens their rights.
The ignorant people who claim trans people are "looking for a problem".
OP deletes their account because they realise Fab is full of transphobes and mods allow them to abuse trans people.
According to the OP herself, she left because she met someone on Tinder and wanted to focus on their relationship.
But that doesn’t fit your narrative....never let the truth get in the way of a good story,eh?
And please stop using the term TERF.
People who constantly go into threads like these, going out of their way to make trans people feel as subhuman and shitty as possible are TERFs
It's rather pathetic."
So is the constant hyperbole.
At no point have I ever suggested anyone is subhuman, simply that I have a different opinion.
And it's a public forum. If I see an opinion I want to challenge, question or agree with then I can. Deal with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok, you have your opinion, whatever. But if it was up to you, would trans women be allowed to go about their lives as women socially? E.g. use women's toilet, be registered as such at work, etc
Because I have no problem if you have your opinions and the answer to these is yes. Now, if it the answer is no it's not just "opinions" that you have, it's that you would rather restrict my life. And that, I find unacceptable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So is the constant hyperbole.
At no point have I ever suggested anyone is subhuman, simply that I have a different opinion.
And it's a public forum. If I see an opinion I want to challenge, question or agree with then I can. Deal with it."
There it is, the gaslighting. The issue isn't being blown out of proportion nor is it constant hyperbole. But once again a transphobe has decided that it is.
The green button paints a nice picture. You've expressed homophobic views too.
You clearly can't deal with being called a TERF so you're in no position to say we should 'deal with it'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So is the constant hyperbole.
At no point have I ever suggested anyone is subhuman, simply that I have a different opinion.
And it's a public forum. If I see an opinion I want to challenge, question or agree with then I can. Deal with it.
There it is, the gaslighting. The issue isn't being blown out of proportion nor is it constant hyperbole. But once again a transphobe has decided that it is.
The green button paints a nice picture. You've expressed homophobic views too.
You clearly can't deal with being called a TERF so you're in no position to say we should 'deal with it'."
Where have I expressed homophobic views? That is complete and utter nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The fact that you're mentioning gender and sexuality in the same sentence shows how ignorant you are in this topic.
You're gaslighting people into thinking they are the ones who are causing an issue. You're gaslighting them into thinking they're being offended over nothing.
If you don't like being called an 'ist' then perhaps you should educate yourself in this topic rather than put on this defiant act.
There is a resolution - Recognise trans people for who they are. You're being presented with a solution but you're refusing to accept it."
You don't agree with me therefore you need educated, you're gaslighting and you don't recognise trans people.
Hmmmm.......thanks for confirming my original statement about lack of manners and respect. I will add this caviat though. You're inability to discuss or debate comes from the fact your ideology is based on lies and not fact or evidence. Therefore you are unable to debate or discuss the topic.
Come up with something tangible instead of name calling and I may take you seriously.
Note: whoever you are and whatever you believe, I will always see you as an equal, sadly I suspect I will not been seen as an equal in your eyes. |
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"Ok, you have your opinion, whatever. But if it was up to you, would trans women be allowed to go about their lives as women socially? E.g. use women's toilet, be registered as such at work, etc
Because I have no problem if you have your opinions and the answer to these is yes. Now, if it the answer is no it's not just "opinions" that you have, it's that you would rather restrict my life. And that, I find unacceptable."
We discussed this last week and the exchange ended with you being rather verbally abusive and telling me to go fuck myself.
I don't think transwomen are women. I think they're transwomen. Therefore I don't believe they should be using female only spaces. If they do, they are no longer female only spaces. Other than that you should, of course, be allowed to go about your day to day business like any other person in society. I'm sure you're a nice person and believe it or not, despite our heated
exchanges, I have no issue with you personally. My problem is when we look at the bigger picture and accept that any person born male (who says he is a woman) must be accepted as such by society. The SNP are moving that way as I'm sure you are aware and I think this is effectively opening the flood gates for "some" men (who are not genuinely trans) to exploit the rules. This is illustrated by the number of men identifying as TW in prison which has rocketed in recent years. Not because genuine transwomen are more likely to commit crime but because these guys want an easier time in a female prison or worse, access to vulnerable women.
How do we address the fact that you would most likely get aggro (at best) or worse if you were to use the male toilets or other exclusively male spaces? That's another even bigger question. But basically I don't think it's acceptable to expect women to accommodate a male bodied person (who identifies as a woman) into her space. We're effectively being used as human shields to protect you from male violence. (And violence towards you is of course completely unacceptable).
3rd spaces have been suggested as an option but I know many transpeople feel this is "othering" them and would not be acceptable to you I imagine since you see yourself as a woman.
And so we're right back where we started....
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"Ok, you have your opinion, whatever. But if it was up to you, would trans women be allowed to go about their lives as women socially? E.g. use women's toilet, be registered as such at work, etc
Because I have no problem if you have your opinions and the answer to these is yes. Now, if it the answer is no it's not just "opinions" that you have, it's that you would rather restrict my life. And that, I find unacceptable.
We discussed this last week and the exchange ended with you being rather verbally abusive and telling me to go fuck myself.
I don't think transwomen are women. I think they're transwomen. Therefore I don't believe they should be using female only spaces. If they do, they are no longer female only spaces. Other than that you should, of course, be allowed to go about your day to day business like any other person in society. I'm sure you're a nice person and believe it or not, despite our heated
exchanges, I have no issue with you personally. My problem is when we look at the bigger picture and accept that any person born male (who says he is a woman) must be accepted as such by society. The SNP are moving that way as I'm sure you are aware and I think this is effectively opening the flood gates for "some" men (who are not genuinely trans) to exploit the rules. This is illustrated by the number of men identifying as TW in prison which has rocketed in recent years. Not because genuine transwomen are more likely to commit crime but because these guys want an easier time in a female prison or worse, access to vulnerable women.
How do we address the fact that you would most likely get aggro (at best) or worse if you were to use the male toilets or other exclusively male spaces? That's another even bigger question. But basically I don't think it's acceptable to expect women to accommodate a male bodied person (who identifies as a woman) into her space. We're effectively being used as human shields to protect you from male violence. (And violence towards you is of course completely unacceptable).
3rd spaces have been suggested as an option but I know many transpeople feel this is "othering" them and would not be acceptable to you I imagine since you see yourself as a woman.
And so we're right back where we started....
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By (user no longer on site)
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As I thought. What you express is not just "an opinion". You want to make my life and the lives of my friends hell. At that point me telling you to go fuck yourself is the lesser of things. I would not and could not exist in the world you mention. It would kill me, and I would quite literally kill myself. You are expressing extremely hateful views that if realised would change the lives of hundreds of thousands and make them hell (while having zero impact on anyone else, other than butch women, who get a lot of heat from it too) and then you are saying "it's just an opinion". Yes, the same way that "I genuinely think you should live under house arrest" is just an opinion. To that the response "fuck you" is the politest thing that comes to mind.
What you said us what I suspected you would say, it's the same talking points repeated over and over. There is no point in addressing them, they have been addressed once and again. I’m disappointed though that this is the stated with some members of the Scottish swingers community. You don't "see me as subhuman" but I am worth sacrificing for made up problems. It's "not about ne personally" but what you say would very much affect me personally. Your solutions are not even to stay with current legislation, it's to roll back in time and enforce draconian measures, somehow (bevause there no straightforward way to do so).
Happy for me I'm not a UK citizen and I come from a country who has already passed as law that very thing that you so irrationality fear, and I already made use of that. So just so you know, that piece of legislation doesn't even affect everyone, the rest of the world can move on.
Anyway. Good you showed your true colors. But please. Don't tell me that what you have is "just an opinion". |
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So what you're saying is.......and then you spew nonsense instead of what we said.
Typical double-speak.
Lets change this around, why don't you tell us what concerns women have instead? Miss muff and I will argue your point and you try and argue womens points.
This should make for a more tolerant debate if you're game?
Miss muff, how about you? |
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I have no interest in talking to you. But don't paint this as a "women vs trans" thing. There are plenty of women (in fact, the majority) that are for trans equality. I am one if them. Good bye TERFs, stay mad that I'm living my life |
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Shock horror, another name calling session with random inaccurate statements about being supported and an inability to debate.
Stop misnaming and categorising me, its offensive. Something I thought you would have been well aware of.
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Oh no, she is calling me trans exclusionary when I only want to exclude her from womanhood and public spaces fir women because she is trans, what an inaccurate depiction of my goals. |
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Oh people like me very much, my life is full with partners and lovers and friends. It's just you and the likes who insist in making it miserable for god know what reason. |
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Then whats your problem? If you're loved and have friends, why be on here calling people names and being horrible?
I suspect you're full of shit. You're on here to cause trouble because you're not nice and have trouble being liked.
Wait, did I just make assumptions which be totally inaccurate but spout them asthe truth because my feelibgs were hurt over you denying my existence asa human being??
How horrible of me for acting like you have. Lol |
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"Ok, you have your opinion, whatever. But if it was up to you, would trans women be allowed to go about their lives as women socially? E.g. use women's toilet, be registered as such at work, etc
Because I have no problem if you have your opinions and the answer to these is yes. Now, if it the answer is no it's not just "opinions" that you have, it's that you would rather restrict my life. And that, I find unacceptable.
We discussed this last week and the exchange ended with you being rather verbally abusive and telling me to go fuck myself.
I don't think transwomen are women. I think they're transwomen. Therefore I don't believe they should be using female only spaces. If they do, they are no longer female only spaces. Other than that you should, of course, be allowed to go about your day to day business like any other person in society. I'm sure you're a nice person and believe it or not, despite our heated
exchanges, I have no issue with you personally. My problem is when we look at the bigger picture and accept that any person born male (who says he is a woman) must be accepted as such by society. The SNP are moving that way as I'm sure you are aware and I think this is effectively opening the flood gates for "some" men (who are not genuinely trans) to exploit the rules. This is illustrated by the number of men identifying as TW in prison which has rocketed in recent years. Not because genuine transwomen are more likely to commit crime but because these guys want an easier time in a female prison or worse, access to vulnerable women.
How do we address the fact that you would most likely get aggro (at best) or worse if you were to use the male toilets or other exclusively male spaces? That's another even bigger question. But basically I don't think it's acceptable to expect women to accommodate a male bodied person (who identifies as a woman) into her space. We're effectively being used as human shields to protect you from male violence. (And violence towards you is of course completely unacceptable).
3rd spaces have been suggested as an option but I know many transpeople feel this is "othering" them and would not be acceptable to you I imagine since you see yourself as a woman.
And so we're right back where we started....
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May I ask how you would feel about a F2M trans man using your female only spaces? Using the same rationale as you've presented they would not be welcome in male only spaces, yet with surgery and testosterone HRT would be more masculine than M2F trans women? |
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"Honestly, given the lack of any sort of response from the admins and seeing how these threads get dogpilled once and again, I would recommend that trans women just categorize themselves as women and then mention it in their profiles, which is very much what I do.
Don't give in to the haters "
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"The fact that you're mentioning gender and sexuality in the same sentence shows how ignorant you are in this topic.
You're gaslighting people into thinking they are the ones who are causing an issue. You're gaslighting them into thinking they're being offended over nothing.
If you don't like being called an 'ist' then perhaps you should educate yourself in this topic rather than put on this defiant act.
There is a resolution - Recognise trans people for who they are. You're being presented with a solution but you're refusing to accept it.
You don't agree with me therefore you need educated, you're gaslighting and you don't recognise trans people.
Hmmmm.......thanks for confirming my original statement about lack of manners and respect. I will add this caviat though. You're inability to discuss or debate comes from the fact your ideology is based on lies and not fact or evidence. Therefore you are unable to debate or discuss the topic.
Come up with something tangible instead of name calling and I may take you seriously.
Note: whoever you are and whatever you believe, I will always see you as an equal, sadly I suspect I will not been seen as an equal in your eyes."
I've not called you anything. I said you are attempting to gaslight people, and you're still trying to do that.
The very fact that you can't differentiate gender and sexuality shows you know little about this.
This isn't an "ideology", just as not being a racist isn't an ideology.
You can put on the act of being the more logical person, pretending you'll accept everyone (even though your views say otherwise) but it really isn't working. |
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"Ok, you have your opinion, whatever. But if it was up to you, would trans women be allowed to go about their lives as women socially? E.g. use women's toilet, be registered as such at work, etc
Because I have no problem if you have your opinions and the answer to these is yes. Now, if it the answer is no it's not just "opinions" that you have, it's that you would rather restrict my life. And that, I find unacceptable.
We discussed this last week and the exchange ended with you being rather verbally abusive and telling me to go fuck myself.
I don't think transwomen are women. I think they're transwomen. Therefore I don't believe they should be using female only spaces. If they do, they are no longer female only spaces. Other than that you should, of course, be allowed to go about your day to day business like any other person in society. I'm sure you're a nice person and believe it or not, despite our heated
exchanges, I have no issue with you personally. My problem is when we look at the bigger picture and accept that any person born male (who says he is a woman) must be accepted as such by society. The SNP are moving that way as I'm sure you are aware and I think this is effectively opening the flood gates for "some" men (who are not genuinely trans) to exploit the rules. This is illustrated by the number of men identifying as TW in prison which has rocketed in recent years. Not because genuine transwomen are more likely to commit crime but because these guys want an easier time in a female prison or worse, access to vulnerable women.
How do we address the fact that you would most likely get aggro (at best) or worse if you were to use the male toilets or other exclusively male spaces? That's another even bigger question. But basically I don't think it's acceptable to expect women to accommodate a male bodied person (who identifies as a woman) into her space. We're effectively being used as human shields to protect you from male violence. (And violence towards you is of course completely unacceptable).
3rd spaces have been suggested as an option but I know many transpeople feel this is "othering" them and would not be acceptable to you I imagine since you see yourself as a woman.
And so we're right back where we started....
May I ask how you would feel about a F2M trans man using your female only spaces? Using the same rationale as you've presented they would not be welcome in male only spaces, yet with surgery and testosterone HRT would be more masculine than M2F trans women?"
I wouldn't personally have an issue with F2M trans using women's spaces. But doubt they would want to. I have read about instances where F2M prisoners have been detained in women's prisons for their own safety as it's evident the men in an all male prison would tear them to pieces.
With regards to your second point, whilst I've seen some exceptionally attractive and convincing transwomen on here, they are by far and large in the minority. I can almost always clock a M2F trans person. The hands, gait, voice... it's usually quite obvious. So I don't accept that they are usually more feminine than someone who was born female and transitioned to become a man. |
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"So what you're saying is.......and then you spew nonsense instead of what we said.
Typical double-speak.
Lets change this around, why don't you tell us what concerns women have instead? Miss muff and I will argue your point and you try and argue womens points.
This should make for a more tolerant debate if you're game?
Miss muff, how about you?"
Nah...it's school ground pish with the name calling to be honest.
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"As I thought. What you express is not just "an opinion". You want to make my life and the lives of my friends hell. At that point me telling you to go fuck yourself is the lesser of things. I would not and could not exist in the world you mention. It would kill me, and I would quite literally kill myself. You are expressing extremely hateful views that if realised would change the lives of hundreds of thousands and make them hell (while having zero impact on anyone else, other than butch women, who get a lot of heat from it too) and then you are saying "it's just an opinion". Yes, the same way that "I genuinely think you should live under house arrest" is just an opinion. To that the response "fuck you" is the politest thing that comes to mind.
What you said us what I suspected you would say, it's the same talking points repeated over and over. There is no point in addressing them, they have been addressed once and again. I’m disappointed though that this is the stated with some members of the Scottish swingers community. You don't "see me as subhuman" but I am worth sacrificing for made up problems. It's "not about ne personally" but what you say would very much affect me personally. Your solutions are not even to stay with current legislation, it's to roll back in time and enforce draconian measures, somehow (bevause there no straightforward way to do so).
Happy for me I'm not a UK citizen and I come from a country who has already passed as law that very thing that you so irrationality fear, and I already made use of that. So just so you know, that piece of legislation doesn't even affect everyone, the rest of the world can move on.
Anyway. Good you showed your true colors. But please. Don't tell me that what you have is "just an opinion"."
Glad we cleared that up then. Just you carry on being fabulous surrounded by lovers and friends.
And I'll live in the real world. |
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"As I thought. What you express is not just "an opinion". You want to make my life and the lives of my friends hell. At that point me telling you to go fuck yourself is the lesser of things. I would not and could not exist in the world you mention. It would kill me, and I would quite literally kill myself. You are expressing extremely hateful views that if realised would change the lives of hundreds of thousands and make them hell (while having zero impact on anyone else, other than butch women, who get a lot of heat from it too) and then you are saying "it's just an opinion". Yes, the same way that "I genuinely think you should live under house arrest" is just an opinion. To that the response "fuck you" is the politest thing that comes to mind.
What you said us what I suspected you would say, it's the same talking points repeated over and over. There is no point in addressing them, they have been addressed once and again. I’m disappointed though that this is the stated with some members of the Scottish swingers community. You don't "see me as subhuman" but I am worth sacrificing for made up problems. It's "not about ne personally" but what you say would very much affect me personally. Your solutions are not even to stay with current legislation, it's to roll back in time and enforce draconian measures, somehow (bevause there no straightforward way to do so).
Happy for me I'm not a UK citizen and I come from a country who has already passed as law that very thing that you so irrationality fear, and I already made use of that. So just so you know, that piece of legislation doesn't even affect everyone, the rest of the world can move on.
Anyway. Good you showed your true colors. But please. Don't tell me that what you have is "just an opinion".
Glad we cleared that up then. Just you carry on being fabulous surrounded by lovers and friends.
And I'll live in the real world. "
Babes, I very much live in the real world. The future belongs to us, you belong to the past. Stay mad |
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"As I thought. What you express is not just "an opinion". You want to make my life and the lives of my friends hell. At that point me telling you to go fuck yourself is the lesser of things. I would not and could not exist in the world you mention. It would kill me, and I would quite literally kill myself. You are expressing extremely hateful views that if realised would change the lives of hundreds of thousands and make them hell (while having zero impact on anyone else, other than butch women, who get a lot of heat from it too) and then you are saying "it's just an opinion". Yes, the same way that "I genuinely think you should live under house arrest" is just an opinion. To that the response "fuck you" is the politest thing that comes to mind.
What you said us what I suspected you would say, it's the same talking points repeated over and over. There is no point in addressing them, they have been addressed once and again. I’m disappointed though that this is the stated with some members of the Scottish swingers community. You don't "see me as subhuman" but I am worth sacrificing for made up problems. It's "not about ne personally" but what you say would very much affect me personally. Your solutions are not even to stay with current legislation, it's to roll back in time and enforce draconian measures, somehow (bevause there no straightforward way to do so).
Happy for me I'm not a UK citizen and I come from a country who has already passed as law that very thing that you so irrationality fear, and I already made use of that. So just so you know, that piece of legislation doesn't even affect everyone, the rest of the world can move on.
Anyway. Good you showed your true colors. But please. Don't tell me that what you have is "just an opinion".
Glad we cleared that up then. Just you carry on being fabulous surrounded by lovers and friends.
And I'll live in the real world.
Babes, I very much live in the real world. The future belongs to us, you belong to the past. Stay mad "
Should you not be busy with your pals, lovers,train spotting group and stamp collectors appreciation chums instead of posting on here.
BTW, that comment was ageist (tut).
Thankfully there are a whole army of women my age raising their children to accept reality and recognise delusion when they see it.
And I'm not mad that you're so happy. Stay wonderful and fabulous. Mwah. X |
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Absolutely love the sentiment of this topic.
Hell will freeze over before gender and sexuality expand's out of the dark ages......
I love this site so much, but it was born in the dark ages of 70s keys in a bowl mentality and is unlikely to see pass the basic categories.
I would love to be proven wrong, but having been here almost 10 years very little has changed to the profile set up and options.
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