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By *inaTitzTV/TS 13 weeks ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
"Crossdresser decides they are now trans and moves to the trans category. Nothing has changed other than they now feel they are trans.
What has been achieved? "
This. On other sites where people can opt for whichever one they please, many make the choice that feels right for them. |
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Personally, it would very much be appreciated if TS was separate from TG/CD
I don't have male bits, have never been male, and it is somewhat annoying to have to repeatedly deal with messages from men looking for TG/CD gay sex.
I'd also suggest some methodology so that TS's can define themselves as pre or post op transmale or transfemale
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By *lowupdollTV/TS 13 weeks ago
Herts/Beds/Leeds/London |
"Personally, it would very much be appreciated if TS was separate from TG/CD
I don't have male bits, have never been male, and it is somewhat annoying to have to repeatedly deal with messages from men looking for TG/CD gay sex.
I'd also suggest some methodology so that TS's can define themselves as pre or post op transmale or transfemale
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
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Won’t make much difference as people will label themselves as they feel, but like fab straights.
I’ve seen profiles on here describing themselves as women but have rubber tits, a cock, but in their head there a women.
Most profiles put it in the written bio which no one ever reads
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
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A pre-op TS has been medically assessed as being born TS female (brain sex different to genital sex), suffering from Gender Dysphoria caused by that brain/body mismatch, and is/seeks medical therapy. Being TS is a born biological human reality. Not a sexuality nor gender expression.
A TV (usually) is a male brained / male bodied person who enjoys cross dressing as part of their masculine identity. Often but not always associated to latent homosexual desires.
The two are very different and claiming a TS is someone who has decided they want to be a women demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the issue and of human sexual development. Referring to a TS female as a "he" is called transphobia.
In short, a TS is not a highly dedicated TV as you imply. They did not decide to be a woman, and they are not a "he". |
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By *lowupdollTV/TS 13 weeks ago
Herts/Beds/Leeds/London |
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
A pre-op TS has been medically assessed as being born TS female (brain sex different to genital sex), suffering from Gender Dysphoria caused by that brain/body mismatch, and is/seeks medical therapy. Being TS is a born biological human reality. Not a sexuality nor gender expression.
A TV (usually) is a male brained / male bodied person who enjoys cross dressing as part of their masculine identity. Often but not always associated to latent homosexual desires.
The two are very different and claiming a TS is someone who has decided they want to be a women demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the issue and of human sexual development. Referring to a TS female as a "he" is called transphobia.
In short, a TS is not a highly dedicated TV as you imply. They did not decide to be a woman, and they are not a "he"."
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
There is no clinical test for brain gender. But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it. |
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I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
"Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it."
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
"There is no clinical test for brain gender."
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
"But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it."
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care. |
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"I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
There is no clinical test for brain gender.
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it.
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care."
Trading society norms as you call them are a construct of a patriarchal society and, women have found these disempowering and constraining. Hence feminism. |
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By *lowupdollTV/TS 13 weeks ago
Herts/Beds/Leeds/London |
"I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
There is no clinical test for brain gender.
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it.
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care."
I’m not upset by your views. Believe whatever comforts you.
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"Tradi[tional][sic] society norms as you call them are a construct of a patriarchal society and, women have found these disempowering and constraining. Hence feminism. "
I totally agree. Traditional social gender norms i.e. regimented "acceptable" gender expressions for females, are a social construct of a patriarchal society, the principle tool of female oppression and feminism is the fight against that sexism.
Likewise, defining a TS female by her outward appearance/fashion choices, instead of her born biological reality, is transsexism. Founded upon binary sexist theology and manifesting as transmisogyny.
However, again, I'd suggest this is not the place for a debate upon feminism, transfeminism, and/or the transsexism and transmisogyny common within straight and gay males. |
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Things have definitely gotten harder to define under the transgender umbrella.
TV was used for someone who took it more seriously than a CD. The TERFS renaming everything now as AGP But then Americans categorized TV as just shy of full SRS at which point you were TS.
Personally, I view TS as set on a pathway to transition. Whether you have been assessed yet or on the way. If you've spoken to a doctor or are on a waiting list, you're on the TS bus. It may not have left the station, but you're on your way.
TV is more sexual. Doll up for the weekend or the night, but then she goes back into the box and Barry turns into a plumber Monday to Friday. Wouldn't take a massive leap for Barry to become Barietta and graduate to TS. Maybe a big life change, loss of partner or cancer scare to say "to hell with societal rules! I NEED to do this!!
Cd is for fetish, but I'd class as TV-lite. May or may not have a beard still. Prob doesn't bother with a wig.
Sissy, loves the frillies and the image of being in them. Dreams of a woman putting them on themselves
A Lil bit problematic in today's world tbh
Hairy panty wearers - low effort, likes shiny material on their genitals. That's all. |
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"Things have definitely gotten harder to define under the transgender umbrella.
TV was used for someone who took it more seriously than a CD. The TERFS renaming everything now as AGP But then Americans categorized TV as just shy of full SRS at which point you were TS.
Personally, I view TS as set on a pathway to transition. Whether you have been assessed yet or on the way. If you've spoken to a doctor or are on a waiting list, you're on the TS bus. It may not have left the station, but you're on your way.
TV is more sexual. Doll up for the weekend or the night, but then she goes back into the box and Barry turns into a plumber Monday to Friday. Wouldn't take a massive leap for Barry to become Barietta and graduate to TS. Maybe a big life change, loss of partner or cancer scare to say "to hell with societal rules! I NEED to do this!!
Cd is for fetish, but I'd class as TV-lite. May or may not have a beard still. Prob doesn't bother with a wig.
Sissy, loves the frillies and the image of being in them. Dreams of a woman putting them on themselves
A Lil bit problematic in today's world tbh
Hairy panty wearers - low effort, likes shiny material on their genitals. That's all."
This has clarified a lot for me! Although it's the hairy panty wears that genuinely get on my tits, but weird you're wearing your wife's knickers while meeting other women |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS 7 weeks ago
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Coming from a different angle
Why doesn't the site have a separate category for Transgender/TV/CD couples?
Currently only MF, MM and FF are available as options. Why no TT?
Seems like a far more egregious oversight to me than the uninspired "Cd AnD TrAnS aR dIfFeReNt" hobby horse that gets routinely peddled out by normies/outsiders, who just want to say something for the sake of saying it, and does nothing but feed into a division that doesn't really exist amongst the community concerned in my experience. |
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It's for the benefit of the trans community. Our identification should not be for the pleasure or benefit directly of those who aren't with this protected characteristic. They may gain indirectly.
Has the OP searched through the thousands of posts on this. I suggest they do so. |
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"Coming from a different angle
Why doesn't the site have a separate category for Transgender/TV/CD couples?
Currently only MF, MM and FF are available as options. Why no TT?
Seems like a far more egregious oversight to me than the uninspired "Cd AnD TrAnS aR dIfFeReNt" hobby horse that gets routinely peddled out by normies/outsiders, who just want to say something for the sake of saying it, and does nothing but feed into a division that doesn't really exist amongst the community concerned in my experience."
Benefits for us first, please! There's a glaring omission in relationship options for trans men and trans women here. |
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Correct Terms:
Crossdresser - Someone who dressers the opposite gender at birth.
Transvestite - The term transvestite is considered outdated and offensive. It was used in older medical literature and media, often pathologizing people and conflating gender identity with fetishism or mental illness.
Transsexual - Sexualised slur (which sits in the same camp as Shemale and Tranny).
Transgender - Someone who has changed their Gender (not limited to medically or surgically)
He-She/Shemale/Lady Boy - Fetishizing and degrading.
Trap/Femboy/Sissy - Fetishizing and Objectifying, should only be used con sensually.
Also Calling a transgender person a crossdresser implies that their gender identity isn't real, and that they are simply wearing clothes for expression or pleasure, which invalidates their lived experience and identity.
The Gender groups that should be updated to:
Man
Woman
Crossdresser
Transgender Feminine
Transgender Masculine
Couples should be removed altogether and just add Person 1's Gender & Person 2's Gender |
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"Correct Terms:
Crossdresser - Someone who dressers the opposite gender at birth.
Transvestite - The term transvestite is considered outdated and offensive. It was used in older medical literature and media, often pathologizing people and conflating gender identity with fetishism or mental illness.
Transsexual - Sexualised slur (which sits in the same camp as Shemale and Tranny).
Transgender - Someone who has changed their Gender (not limited to medically or surgically)
He-She/Shemale/Lady Boy - Fetishizing and degrading.
Trap/Femboy/Sissy - Fetishizing and Objectifying, should only be used con sensually.
Also Calling a transgender person a crossdresser implies that their gender identity isn't real, and that they are simply wearing clothes for expression or pleasure, which invalidates their lived experience and identity.
The Gender groups that should be updated to:
Man
Woman
Crossdresser
Transgender Feminine
Transgender Masculine
Couples should be removed altogether and just add Person 1's Gender & Person 2's Gender"
Sounds good, although I'd add Gender Fluid and Non-Binary
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By *glyBettyTV/TS 6 weeks ago
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"TV is crossdresser. Tg should have tits, that would help me out. If no tits but live life as a female then go under TV until tits start sprouting. "
Here's the definitive explanation we didn't know we needed, but received anyway 🙄 |
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By *ickerMan 6 weeks ago
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"TV is crossdresser. Tg should have tits, that would help me out. If no tits but live life as a female then go under TV until tits start sprouting.
Here's the definitive explanation we didn't know we needed, but received anyway 🙄"
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The site needs a whole gender and sexuality shake up! Other sites have many categories for both and keep adding more. They also have many more what are you into categories. It all helps people describe themselves for others and leads to understanding rather than putting people in boxes. IMHO
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"Tradi[tional][sic] society norms as you call them are a construct of a patriarchal society and, women have found these disempowering and constraining. Hence feminism.
I totally agree. Traditional social gender norms i.e. regimented "acceptable" gender expressions for females, are a social construct of a patriarchal society, the principle tool of female oppression and feminism is the fight against that sexism.
Likewise, defining a TS female by her outward appearance/fashion choices, instead of her born biological reality, is transsexism. Founded upon binary sexist theology and manifesting as transmisogyny.
However, again, I'd suggest this is not the place for a debate upon feminism, transfeminism, and/or the transsexism and transmisogyny common within straight and gay males."
A TS female was born a man, they are biologically male, that's the reality.
They have required medical assistance to feminise themselves,
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As a white, straight man I appreciate that I have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by having an opinion on this matter but I completely agree that a trans person is a totally different thing to a cross dresser. I am judging neither person and not attempting to divide people or cause more conflict. I'm simply adding to the conversation. Enjoying the feeling of sitting in a sports car doesn't mean you are a professional formula one driver. It simply means you have an acquired taste. Throughout history men have treated women like second class citizens and claimed to understand their personal circumstances better than they themselves do. We are now doing the same with trans women by dressing up and claiming to be the same as them. I cannot imagine the journey a trans person has to embark on throughout their life, puberty, comparing themselves with other boys and girls, the confusion, the feeling of isolation and unacceptable in society, the grieving of the old self and fear of the new. Me putting on a dress will never get me any closer to understanding that journey though either. We are now unfortunately at a stage where a trans woman cannot use a ladies toilet because their is a risk that cross dressers will also take this privilege. This is very wrong and puts the trans woman at the same risk we are trying to protect biological women from. All because of a section of men who feel they have a right to do what they want. |
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