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"I've just looked at the figures (I'm French) . Over 5000 patients on ventilators and 28000 in patients in France , compared to 583 and 4100 in the U.K . Scary ...but the French are generally unrepentant, they don't want lockdown or the vaccine for the most part .... "Time will tell whether they have the right attitude to vaccines but macron hasn't helped by his past comments. Our success will hopefully mean we can resume normal life by mid summer all be it with marks etc in shops etc, which is a very minor issue | |||
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"“We were right not to implement a lockdown in France at the end of January because we didn’t have the explosion of cases that every model predicted,” Macron said last week. “There won’t be a mea culpa from me. I don’t have remorse and won’t acknowledge failure.” Well he bloody well should do, politics before people seems to be his mantra." Well if you dont test people you dont get large numbers, | |||
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"“We were right not to implement a lockdown in France at the end of January because we didn’t have the explosion of cases that every model predicted,” Macron said last week. “There won’t be a mea culpa from me. I don’t have remorse and won’t acknowledge failure.” Well he bloody well should do, politics before people seems to be his mantra." Macron is a total disgrace and has refused to deal with this problem from day one as he is frightened it will harm his political career, which is very likely to come to an end following elections next year. My wife is undergoing serious treatments here in France and was due to have her vaccination yesterday, to have the appointment cancelled 2 hours before as the hospital has no vaccines available and have no idea when any are going to be delivered. What sort of government is it that cannot treat it's residents. Macron should be totally ashamed but won't be, the little insipid man. Good job I can't get near him. | |||
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"“We were right not to implement a lockdown in France at the end of January because we didn’t have the explosion of cases that every model predicted,” Macron said last week. “There won’t be a mea culpa from me. I don’t have remorse and won’t acknowledge failure.” Well he bloody well should do, politics before people seems to be his mantra. Macron is a total disgrace and has refused to deal with this problem from day one as he is frightened it will harm his political career, which is very likely to come to an end following elections next year. My wife is undergoing serious treatments here in France and was due to have her vaccination yesterday, to have the appointment cancelled 2 hours before as the hospital has no vaccines available and have no idea when any are going to be delivered. What sort of government is it that cannot treat it's residents. Macron should be totally ashamed but won't be, the little insipid man. Good job I can't get near him. " I read this morning that the French are in talks with Russia to secure the Sputnik vaccine . Only 6 millions have had their first jab in France , hopefully the Russian Vaccine will allay the French's fear of the Oxford jab . | |||
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"The vaccine is not the magic bullet that everyone thinks it is as the virus will mutate so many times and render any current ones useless in a matter of months. We had the covid symptom last month (2 days of flu like cold sweats, a tickley cough and no taste for 3 weeks) So this week we had a blood test to confirm our suspicion. We both came back with positive antibodies. (Why they don't give this blood test to people who think they had covid before giving them the jab,I don't know) I read a report today from a well known research group that said within a year to 18 months all vaccines will be useless against the new surer strand. To much has been lost already with our loss of rights and not to mention what is going to happen to the West's economy, peoples jobs and livelihoods (and this is just the start, wait until the 'bill' arrives) We need to get on with life and live with it..." But that is the same with the flu jab - need a booster every year. | |||
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"“We were right not to implement a lockdown in France at the end of January because we didn’t have the explosion of cases that every model predicted,” Macron said last week. “There won’t be a mea culpa from me. I don’t have remorse and won’t acknowledge failure.” Well he bloody well should do, politics before people seems to be his mantra. Macron is a total disgrace and has refused to deal with this problem from day one as he is frightened it will harm his political career, which is very likely to come to an end following elections next year. My wife is undergoing serious treatments here in France and was due to have her vaccination yesterday, to have the appointment cancelled 2 hours before as the hospital has no vaccines available and have no idea when any are going to be delivered. What sort of government is it that cannot treat it's residents. Macron should be totally ashamed but won't be, the little insipid man. Good job I can't get near him. I read this morning that the French are in talks with Russia to secure the Sputnik vaccine . Only 6 millions have had their first jab in France , hopefully the Russian Vaccine will allay the French's fear of the Oxford jab . " Somehow I doubt it. The french have always been anti vaccine, not just recently. It is going to need a complete change of mindset for the french to achieve a decent level of vaccination | |||
"I on the other hand back Macron on most things he has done. I look at the UK and am glad that I am no longer there living in a country where the goverment is openly corrupt and controls the media. Yes, France has been poor with the vaccine rollout and it has terrible consequences. Yes, the UK has been fantastic with the rollout of the vaccine. Had the EU got the vaccine first - at the cost of the UK not getting it, would the situation not have been reversed? Would the EU have helped out the UK? There are hundreds of thousands of vaccines in fridges in France which is criticized by the UK media however, the French are keeping these back for the 2nd vaccination rather than risk running out. Going by form, AZ may not have enough vaccines to deliver to the EU for a 2nd dose so this is probably wise. I blame AZ more that the EU for the lack of vaccines. They were not honest when the EU signed the contract. They should have told the EU that the UK's contract was to be fulfilled in full prior to being able to fulfil the contract from the EU. They should have also made it clear that this was due to an agreement with the UK goverment that insisted this was the case signed prior to any agreement for vaccines themselves, by the UK goverment. Had the EU got the number of vaccines they were expecting, they would have been able to ramp up distribution. Many arguments about funding to Oxford for the vaccine however, prior to the end of 2018, the EU and other countries around the World invested in Oxford amongst other institutions. The research was not totally funded by the UK as the UK press would have everyone believe. The EU also paid for the vaccine in advance (as did the UK). The EU paid a lot more due to needing a lot more. AZ has been using that money all along - the EU are still waiting for deliveries. Yes, Macron can be blamed for a lot of things and everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is a democracy. The above prose is mine - many will disagree with it. " Yep totally disagree, think maybe you should do some research into whats been going on and ignore the stupid propaganda being pumped out on both sides of the channel. Just my opinion. | |||
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""Yep totally disagree, think maybe you should do some research into whats been going on and ignore the stupid propaganda being pumped out on both sides of the channel. Just my opinion." Fair enough. Everyone to his / her own opinion but because you disagree with everything I say does not mean that I not carry our any research. I could suggest the same for you but will not as I was only offering my opinion and not getting personal. " I was not getting personal and I am sorry if that's your interpretation of my post, but I do know for a fact a lot of what has been said about Astra zenica and supply issues on the continent is incorrect. As I said too much propaganda from both sides of the channel. | |||
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"Im not surprised the french people dont want the AZ vaccine 1st macron says its not good for over 65,s then he stops it altogether and now he says its only good for over 65,s despite the EMA saying its good for all adults.How are people supposed to trust a word he says with those contradictions in the space of a few weeks? " Where do you get your facts from? Do you know people in France who do not want the AZ vaccine? The circle of friends, Family and acquaintances that I know (here in France) would be happy to get the AZ or any approved vaccine. Are we the only people in France that feel this way. Should I believe the UK media and refuse it because they say that nobody in France wants it because of what Macron has said? An awful lot of (intentionally) incorrect reporting going on and a lot of gullible people believing it. I feel that I am defending France here on a forum that is supposed to be about France and meeting like minded people in this lovely country. Enough said. | |||
"Im not surprised the french people dont want the AZ vaccine 1st macron says its not good for over 65,s then he stops it altogether and now he says its only good for over 65,s despite the EMA saying its good for all adults.How are people supposed to trust a word he says with those contradictions in the space of a few weeks? Where do you get your facts from? Do you know people in France who do not want the AZ vaccine? The circle of friends, Family and acquaintances that I know (here in France) would be happy to get the AZ or any approved vaccine. Are we the only people in France that feel this way. Should I believe the UK media and refuse it because they say that nobody in France wants it because of what Macron has said? An awful lot of (intentionally) incorrect reporting going on and a lot of gullible people believing it. I feel that I am defending France here on a forum that is supposed to be about France and meeting like minded people in this lovely country. Enough said. " Some of us read more than uk news mate Around 42% of French respondents thought the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab unsafe in a YouGov survey last month. But following the suspensions, that has now jumped to more than six-in-ten. A quote from euronews.  | |||
"Im not surprised the french people dont want the AZ vaccine 1st macron says its not good for over 65,s then he stops it altogether and now he says its only good for over 65,s despite the EMA saying its good for all adults.How are people supposed to trust a word he says with those contradictions in the space of a few weeks? Where do you get your facts from? Do you know people in France who do not want the AZ vaccine? The circle of friends, Family and acquaintances that I know (here in France) would be happy to get the AZ or any approved vaccine. Are we the only people in France that feel this way. Should I believe the UK media and refuse it because they say that nobody in France wants it because of what Macron has said? An awful lot of (intentionally) incorrect reporting going on and a lot of gullible people believing it. I feel that I am defending France here on a forum that is supposed to be about France and meeting like minded people in this lovely country. Enough said. Yep, it does come across that you are defending France, a beautiful country and lovely people, just a shame your president is a little shit, here in the UK we are so glad that he can no longer have any say in our destiny. I also dont think British people beleive everything we are fed by the media, we are quite capable at looking at the facts and come to our own conclusions. " | |||
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"I have to question the death rates being published in France, they dont correspond to the infection rate compared to other countries, perhaps they have a different way of recording covid deaths. I am with the poster above regarding leaving the EU and I know of many more who have changed their mind on Brexit over the last few months, the common market was excellent but the EU has become a control monster and we are much better off looking after ourselves without the likes of Macron stirring it for us." Although the minions were elected the hierarchy wasn't, and it was these people who pushed the agenda... Shame as the idea was right! | |||
"I have to question the death rates being published in France, they dont correspond to the infection rate compared to other countries, perhaps they have a different way of recording covid deaths. I am with the poster above regarding leaving the EU and I know of many more who have changed their mind on Brexit over the last few months, the common market was excellent but the EU has become a control monster and we are much better off looking after ourselves without the likes of Macron stirring it for us."  | |||
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"It may cause an even bigger surge in cases as they are actively allowing people to move and spend the lockdown away from home. So all those carriers from the highly infectious areas will now be moving out to the low infection country areas." If the ship is going down would you stop the survivors from getting in your your lifeboat, of course not! We live quietly and safely in the provinces but have family in Paris. Surely it’s better to relieve the social pressure valve of the cities into the more open and vast French countryside. Given the present situation, this is the best solution, No! | |||
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"It may cause an even bigger surge in cases as they are actively allowing people to move and spend the lockdown away from home. So all those carriers from the highly infectious areas will now be moving out to the low infection country areas. If the ship is going down would you stop the survivors from getting in your your lifeboat, of course not! We live quietly and safely in the provinces but have family in Paris. Surely it’s better to relieve the social pressure valve of the cities into the more open and vast French countryside. Given the present situation, this is the best solution, No! " Paris is empty! It is like August! It is getting safer, this is also why they annouce lockdown a bit in advance to let parisian go to other places in FR | |||
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"It may cause an even bigger surge in cases as they are actively allowing people to move and spend the lockdown away from home. So all those carriers from the highly infectious areas will now be moving out to the low infection country areas. If the ship is going down would you stop the survivors from getting in your your lifeboat, of course not! We live quietly and safely in the provinces but have family in Paris. Surely it’s better to relieve the social pressure valve of the cities into the more open and vast French countryside. Given the present situation, this is the best solution, No! " They did on the Titanic !!! | |||
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"Lol I was pretty pissed off with recent events before reading this thread Thanks for the lively debate, very entertaining and god knows I need entertainment stuck here in the Charente I’ve tried reading the government websites and obviously have read the attestations Could I return to England at the moment or do I need to wait until after May 3rd?" If you are resident in France then you should not travel to U.K. but as you have a U.K. passport then you will be allowed back into U.K. - you would have to abide by rules at time of arrival for covid tests etc. Whether they allow you back into France would depend on restrictions at the time. | |||
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"Both had first jab today at health centre ??" Well done. I get my second tomorrow!!! | |||
"and the BIG question is "Why aint there no zombies" lol " Exactly. Why did people bother stockpiling toilet roll if we don’t need a shot gun and an underground shelter!!!! | |||
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