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Hi,Firstly this is not a sex post.
So if you find it funny please don't reply.
I would like to ask people's opinion on the tragic drowning in Cork a couple of days ago. The loss of life is never good .
But the fact that people stood by and recorded it as it happened, some even live streaming it. Instead of trying to help! And even restricting access for emergency services. How would they like it if it was the other way around?
My questions are,
Is this what we expect now?
Do you, think this behaviour is now OK?
Because I don't, or am I now classed as behind the times?
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By *og-ManMan 13 weeks ago
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Sadly it's been going on for a number of years now but that was particularly bad especially getting in the way of the emergency services
About 5 years ago a woman died in a car crash on the M50
A really bad crash and pictures of her decapitated body were taken by cars slowing down and within minutes were all over social media
Like all the selfies taken at the pope's coffin
Like every concert
It's like people think it's removed from them by watching it through a phone
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By (user no longer on site) 13 weeks ago
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I agree with all your posts.... but the reality is we live in a big brother world now. Whist it's horrible and disgusting of them to record what happened unfortunately people are feeding that culture. They all want the gruesome details.
Also rescuing a drowning person is just as dangerous for an inexperienced hero. Hard enough for emergency services helping 2 people, imagine them trying to save 10.
Unfortunately I was there to see those emergency services and the coast guard chopper hovering. I certainly didn't grab for my phone.
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"Sadly it's been going on for a number of years now but that was particularly bad especially getting in the way of the emergency services
About 5 years ago a woman died in a car crash on the M50
A really bad crash and pictures of her decapitated body were taken by cars slowing down and within minutes were all over social media
Like all the selfies taken at the pope's coffin
Like every concert
It's like people think it's removed from them by watching it through a phone
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Concerts are put on for show, and while it may be annoying to those around them I believe people are entitled to capture a memory of something they have paid to see.
The pope laying in state was a public event, where his remains were deliberately put on public display so people were entitled to grab a selfie after queuing for hours for a brief peek at the recently passed pontiff.
It is totally different when people record moments of personal tragedy just to have content to share on their socials.
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By *oo32Man 13 weeks ago
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Recording or snapping or photographing tragedy seems to be normalised now
It's all about the likes and shares
A similar story,a few years ago I was driving through my local town,there was a house on fire,maybe between 6-8 people standing around,half of them recording/taking pics
Id pulled in at this stage and decided to call the local guards,the incident hadn't been reported at all
So they had time to record/photograph the incident but hadn't the common sense/courtesy to ring the feckin guards/fire brigade |
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Unfortunately the world we live in today is one where bystanders will record what's happening but fail to act because of the ingrained idea that if they help and something happens then they will be sued by the person's family. |
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"Unfortunately the world we live in today is one where bystanders will record what's happening but fail to act because of the ingrained idea that if they help and something happens then they will be sued by the person's family. "
Well let's just correct that idea now. If you see an life endangering situation:
Phone the emergency services by calling 112 or 999 from any phone. Both numbers are free of charge. 112 works in any EU country and from any phone.
You won't be sued for alerting services to an emergency or for providing a life-buoy to a person in trouble in the water. You may save a life. |
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By (user no longer on site) 13 weeks ago
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"Sadly it's been going on for a number of years now but that was particularly bad especially getting in the way of the emergency services
About 5 years ago a woman died in a car crash on the M50
A really bad crash and pictures of her decapitated body were taken by cars slowing down and within minutes were all over social media
Like all the selfies taken at the pope's coffin
Like every concert
It's like people think it's removed from them by watching it through a phone
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Concerts are put on for show, and while it may be annoying to those around them I believe people are entitled to capture a memory of something they have paid to see.
The pope laying in state was a public event, where his remains were deliberately put on public display so people were entitled to grab a selfie after queuing for hours for a brief peek at the recently passed pontiff.
It is totally different when people record moments of personal tragedy just to have content to share on their socials.
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So when you go to a removal be it a family member, friend or acquaintance that’s recently passed you would have no problem taking a selfie inside the funeral home with the deceased. The pope is a public figure but also possibly a brother, uncle, cousin or close friend to someone else. |
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I was one of the first at the scene of a traffic accident last year involving 4 adults and 4 or 5 kids under the age of 10.
It was a miracle there were no serious injuries but both cars were completely mangled.
We got everyone out of the vehicles and they were all sitting on the verge.
It was a crossroads so I parked in a way to slow the traffic on the main road and started directing traffic from 4 directions.
It took the cops 30 minutes to get there but in that time I had a blazing row with at least half a dozen drivers who blocked the road and got out to record the scene including the small kids.
I was worried about another pile up because of the way they abandoned their cars but 2 nurses had to scream at them to stop recording the kids. They just didn't give a fuck as long as they had something to post on social media or with their mates.
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By *eturning MGMan 13 weeks ago
mayo galway roscommon sligo....West Of Ireland |
I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society |
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"I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society"
Did they get out? |
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"Unfortunately the world we live in today is one where bystanders will record what's happening but fail to act because of the ingrained idea that if they help and something happens then they will be sued by the person's family.
Well let's just correct that idea now. If you see an life endangering situation:
Phone the emergency services by calling 112 or 999 from any phone. Both numbers are free of charge. 112 works in any EU country and from any phone.
You won't be sued for alerting services to an emergency or for providing a life-buoy to a person in trouble in the water. You may save a life. "
Personally we agree with you and helping to save someone is how we've been raised no matter what |
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By (user no longer on site) 13 weeks ago
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It's disgusting, that poor man would easily have been saved there were life bouys there.
I genuinely fear at times for the way society is going. It would have taken one person to save him. I'm not a strong swimmer but fuck me I would have grabbed the bout and tried. |
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By *eturning MGMan 13 weeks ago
mayo galway roscommon sligo....West Of Ireland |
"I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society
Did they get out? "
Yes got forced door and boot open and get iron bar from van involved to keep it open. Got in through boot to stabelise them. 1 ok . 1 bad back injuries. Easily 150 cars past before firebrigade got there and nobody else stopped |
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By (user no longer on site) 13 weeks ago
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"I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society
Did they get out?
Yes got forced door and boot open and get iron bar from van involved to keep it open. Got in through boot to stabelise them. 1 ok . 1 bad back injuries. Easily 150 cars past before firebrigade got there and nobody else stopped"
That's shocking, I wonder are people afraid to get involved in case when trying to help they hurt someone and get sued. |
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It's absolutely shocking and frightening to think this is happening. Definitely a conversation to be had at home with everyone.
Should there be a law against this ?
Like it's so morally wrong ,that's just my opinion
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"I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society
Did they get out?
Yes got forced door and boot open and get iron bar from van involved to keep it open. Got in through boot to stabelise them. 1 ok . 1 bad back injuries. Easily 150 cars past before firebrigade got there and nobody else stopped
That's shocking, I wonder are people afraid to get involved in case when trying to help they hurt someone and get sued. "
A lot of people just simply wouldn't know what to do.... Some people freeze in situations like that! Just diall 999, it's the best bet and they can talk you through what you need to do, first of all, check to see if they're alive or dead.... |
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By *eturning MGMan 13 weeks ago
mayo galway roscommon sligo....West Of Ireland |
"I was driving last week and there was a crash ahead of me. One car rolled and 2 women trapped inside. 3 of us stopped. Peek traffic. I was disgusted. We were struggling to get doors open and smoke flowing out if car and nobody got out to help us. Sad reflection on society
Did they get out?
Yes got forced door and boot open and get iron bar from van involved to keep it open. Got in through boot to stabelise them. 1 ok . 1 bad back injuries. Easily 150 cars past before firebrigade got there and nobody else stopped
That's shocking, I wonder are people afraid to get involved in case when trying to help they hurt someone and get sued. "
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The schools could do some more towards practical live skills.
Transition year isn't being utilized properly.
All the children should learn how ti drive, it would raise safety awareness and get a structure.
Basic first aid and life saving(swimming) skills should be trained
Basic cookery for optimum nutrition.
Household DIY.
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I am aware that this isn't in the complete light if the original post, but if the bystanders were better equipped in swimming and life saving , perhaps one might have tried something. |
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"The schools could do some more towards practical live skills.
Transition year isn't being utilized properly.
All the children should learn how ti drive, it would raise safety awareness and get a structure.
Basic first aid and life saving(swimming) skills should be trained
Basic cookery for optimum nutrition.
Household DIY.
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I am aware that this isn't in the complete light if the original post, but if the bystanders were better equipped in swimming and life saving , perhaps one might have tried something. "
The problem is that some people think they have the training and end up making things worse.
I had an incident at work where someone almost lost a finger. All the trained first aiders stood and looked at him while the health and safety officer ran off to ring the paramedics.
Someone who's mum was a nurse jumped in to help and almost severed the finger completely.
I had Rec3 first aid training but I'm a complete amateur and I had to take over at that point before he bled out.
I've seen people jump into rivers to rescue someone without knowing what they were doing and ending up having to be rescued themselves.
Again, I'm trained in swift water rescue but only to wading depth so anything beyond that and I'm not qualified.
Every single SAR training course I've been on the instructor has always repeated multiple times that you have to be aware of every eventuality before attempting a rescue and that jumping in blind to help can often make the situation much worse.
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
Giving people basic first aid skills is great and comes in handy with minor injuries.
Unfortunately many people with first aid training have zero idea how to use that training in a practical situation and just freeze. |
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I'm unfortunately not surprised. This is a very well know psychological trait of humanity. It's well documented and is called the bystander effect. In short it's basically boils down to the fewer people around the more likely you are to get help. The more people around mean humans are more likely to transfer the responsibility on to the other people around them.
Disturbingly in modern times the bystander effect now also includes recording ones inaction on a mobile phone.
It's origins are in the Kitty Genovese case |
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"I'm unfortunately not surprised. This is a very well know psychological trait of humanity. It's well documented and is called the bystander effect. In short it's basically boils down to the fewer people around the more likely you are to get help. The more people around mean humans are more likely to transfer the responsibility on to the other people around them.
Disturbingly in modern times the bystander effect now also includes recording ones inaction on a mobile phone.
It's origins are in the Kitty Genovese case"
What's even more interesting is that the bystander effect in the Genovese case was by in large fabricated.
I think there is a massive difference between people not actively trying to partake on a rescue (which can be for a multitude of reasons) and people taking out their phones and recording or livestreaming tragedies |
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"I'm unfortunately not surprised. This is a very well know psychological trait of humanity. It's well documented and is called the bystander effect. In short it's basically boils down to the fewer people around the more likely you are to get help. The more people around mean humans are more likely to transfer the responsibility on to the other people around them.
Disturbingly in modern times the bystander effect now also includes recording ones inaction on a mobile phone.
It's origins are in the Kitty Genovese case
What's even more interesting is that the bystander effect in the Genovese case was by in large fabricated.
I think there is a massive difference between people not actively trying to partake on a rescue (which can be for a multitude of reasons) and people taking out their phones and recording or livestreaming tragedies "
I think it's just the next evolution of the bystander effect. A modern day version. Either way it's absolutely sickening and narcissistic. As a person said above, it's more for likes and followers on social media than empathy for whoever or whatever transpires in front of them.
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"Sadly it's been going on for a number of years now but that was particularly bad especially getting in the way of the emergency services
About 5 years ago a woman died in a car crash on the M50
A really bad crash and pictures of her decapitated body were taken by cars slowing down and within minutes were all over social media
Like all the selfies taken at the pope's coffin
Like every concert
It's like people think it's removed from them by watching it through a phone
.....
Concerts are put on for show, and while it may be annoying to those around them I believe people are entitled to capture a memory of something they have paid to see.
The pope laying in state was a public event, where his remains were deliberately put on public display so people were entitled to grab a selfie after queuing for hours for a brief peek at the recently passed pontiff.
It is totally different when people record moments of personal tragedy just to have content to share on their socials.
So when you go to a removal be it a family member, friend or acquaintance that’s recently passed you would have no problem taking a selfie inside the funeral home with the deceased. The pope is a public figure but also possibly a brother, uncle, cousin or close friend to someone else. "
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There is a significant difference between a family funeral and an organised lying-in-state where tv cameras are brought in to broadcast the viewing of the remains to the world at large.
I'm not sure the late pontiff's family or friends were given any say in the arrangements for his funeral. |
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"Sadly it's been going on for a number of years now but that was particularly bad especially getting in the way of the emergency services
About 5 years ago a woman died in a car crash on the M50
A really bad crash and pictures of her decapitated body were taken by cars slowing down and within minutes were all over social media
Like all the selfies taken at the pope's coffin
Like every concert
It's like people think it's removed from them by watching it through a phone
.....
Concerts are put on for show, and while it may be annoying to those around them I believe people are entitled to capture a memory of something they have paid to see.
The pope laying in state was a public event, where his remains were deliberately put on public display so people were entitled to grab a selfie after queuing for hours for a brief peek at the recently passed pontiff.
It is totally different when people record moments of personal tragedy just to have content to share on their socials.
So when you go to a removal be it a family member, friend or acquaintance that’s recently passed you would have no problem taking a selfie inside the funeral home with the deceased. The pope is a public figure but also possibly a brother, uncle, cousin or close friend to someone else.
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There is a significant difference between a family funeral and an organised lying-in-state where tv cameras are brought in to broadcast the viewing of the remains to the world at large.
I'm not sure the late pontiff's family or friends were given any say in the arrangements for his funeral. "
It's extremely distasteful.
But them so is rolling him out in a balcony when he could hardly speak in my opinion
And this is the organisation that tours around human remains for worship. |
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By *rystalsswingCouple 13 weeks ago
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"Hi,Firstly this is not a sex post.
So if you find it funny please don't reply.
I would like to ask people's opinion on the tragic drowning in Cork a couple of days ago. The loss of life is never good .
But the fact that people stood by and recorded it as it happened, some even live streaming it. Instead of trying to help! And even restricting access for emergency services. How would they like it if it was the other way around?
My questions are,
Is this what we expect now?
Do you, think this behaviour is now OK?
Because I don't, or am I now classed as behind the times?
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In hadn't heard this story. But as you've described it,it sounds horrendous. I would never, nor anyone I like to associate with, stand by and observe something like this.
Shame on all of them 👊 |
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I hadn't heard about this. I can only presume those filming had no training in rescue or dealing with any emergency. If untrained people try to rescue someone in the water, they too can become a casualty and need rescuing. We have no idea how any of us might behave in an emergency , even with training. The default response seems to be get out your phone and record it.. perhaps it's a shock response,when we feel unable to help. As a poster above has said, TY students could easily spend their year learning useful life skills, like how to call 999, first aid, driving, fire safety, CPR, etc.
I've been involved in a few emergency situations where lives were in danger, and did the "right" thing, thankfully due to very good training. |
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I don't think people are afraid to react,And yes people who are not trained should not get involved but ring the emergency services. I did training for confined spaces and rescue done by professional fire men. The first question they asked was would you run into a burning building to safe someone. We all said yes. The next statement was 'What good is you losing your life to safe someone and the emergency services having to try and bring two people out.
Yes untrained should not get involved. But people restricting emergency services from doing their job(trained people), because they want to get a record and get "likes" is wrong. Yes if you can help do, if you can't, call those who can.And stay out of the way. This man's family have to live with what has happened. Let alone seeing it All over the Internet. It's so sad, that this is who we and our children have become.all I ask is you show your kids why isn't is so wrong. Ask them how they would feel if it was someone they loved. I am glad in one way ,that this post had got so many opinions |
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That’s disgusting. Dozens of people and not one of them got a life buoy and threw it in.
Filming something and watching it through your phone screen removes you from the reality of it. People have always wanted validation from their peers but now they get it on a global scale and an unusual event like this makes them think of all the likes they’ll get for it. 99% of young people on social media vying for likes and this happens.
The law here protects anyone who helps in an emergency but maybe some don’t know that.
And you have to be careful as well. So well intentioned person or worse, someone who wants to be the hero at a scene can make things worse. I know of a person paralysed for life because someone moved them after an injury instead of waiting for the Ambulance. They’d have been fine otherwise.
If you’re ever injured and someone goes to help you ask them if they’re trained before you let them touch you. |
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