A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
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"iI guess it shows a level of self awareness that he knows he wasn't ready until now. As long as he is fit and healthy he shouldnt be too old to bring up a kid. I had my last child at 46. "
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I would suggest that it indicates significant selfunawareness that he didn't realise until being in his late 50's that he wanted to father a child. Allowing for the time required to meet someone suitable for a family relationship, the possible extended time required in achieving a pregnancy due to the well documented factor of lowered fertility in older men and the duration of the pregnancy, he would be in his mid seventies when the kid reached mid teens....
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Meh.. Plenty of people father children in their teens and twenties and make a shit job of it, and many disappear out of their child's life despite being alive and well. I don't see why this case should be a problem. Once the child is loved and provided for they'll be grand.
There are no guarantees in life. One person could father a child when aged 20 and die aged 21. This man could father a child now and live for another 30 years.
I don't particularly think there's a right or wrong time.
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First I’ve heard of a link between geriatric Fathers and Autism!! Are there statistics available on this subject? I’m sure if the female partner is ok with a pregnancy with an older guy then have at it IMO |
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I would suggest that it indicates significant selfunawareness that he didn't realise until being in his late 50's that he wanted to father a child. Allowing for the time required to meet someone suitable for a family relationship, the possible extended time required in achieving a pregnancy due to the well documented factor of lowered fertility in older men and the duration of the pregnancy, he would be in his mid seventies when the kid reached mid teens....
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A man can know that he isn't ready to have a child, until he feels he is ready. That IS self awareness. It's ok to choose to wait to be ready before making a big choice like this. Plenty of older dads do great jobs and the kids can benefit from the lived life experience and (hopefully) the finances and stability that an order man has. Good luck to him I say! |
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
How completely uneducated can you be in life???? Wtf is right Judge Judy.
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"First I’ve heard of a link between geriatric Fathers and Autism!! Are there statistics available on this subject? I’m sure if the female partner is ok with a pregnancy with an older guy then have at it IMO "
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There is quite an amount of data on this subject from research done by reputable institutions across the globe and the overwhelming results indicate that there is a higher risk of autism in the children of older fathers.
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
How completely uneducated can you be in life???? Wtf is right Judge Judy.
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Education is an ongoing process..."every day is a school day" has long been my mantra on life.
One thing I learned from very early on in my long, and still not totally fully educated, life is that name calling is often the last resort of most the most juvenile and immature among us.
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The relative risk is higher but the absolute risk is still low.
So while the relative risk increases by 400%, the baseline risk is only 1%.
So even with a geriatric parent 96% of kids do not have a risk of autism.
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Soo do we think that everyone with a risk factor for autism shouldn't breed? What about people with ASD relatives? What about people who are neurodivergent themselves? What about women with diabetes? What about people who live in areas of high air pollution? |
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
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Having just come out of a forum ban less than 24hrs ago I am absolutely willing to take another so I'm going to say this..
As the mother of an Autistic child, whose father, and mother were in their 40s when he was conceived, I cannot even begin to describe how utterly disgusted I am with your comments.
There is enough bull being spouted these days on the subject and I guarantee you that more parents than not suffer some amount of (unnecessary bit still there) guilt when they are given their child's diagnosis.
So just think before you type in future. |
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Ok things are getting a little heated.
Let me pull away from autism and ask at 57 how much interaction and input he'll have with rearing the child? Playing wrestling on the floor at 65 hurts.....FFS, I've babysat my friends kids in my 40s and been left exhausted by it. I guess celebrity status affords you the joy of nanny's. |
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And another tuppence worth, as a child with parents who had me in their 40s, I was mortified when they collected me from school. My folks were like everyone else's grandparents. Up side..... inheritance happens sooner. 😁 |
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"And another tuppence worth, as a child with parents who had me in their 40s, I was mortified when they collected me from school. My folks were like everyone else's grandparents. Up side..... inheritance happens sooner. 😁"
I'm in my 50s and collect my kids from school. So thanks for that. |
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Certainly a naive post. I have a partner who is 20 years younger than me. Does it make a difference no. Adults realise what they are getting into. We wouldn’t judge you saying your not good enough for each other- looks or otherwise so jog on m8 |
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"And another tuppence worth, as a child with parents who had me in their 40s, I was mortified when they collected me from school. My folks were like everyone else's grandparents. Up side..... inheritance happens sooner. 😁"
Tbf, that says something about you, not about them.
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"I actually think hes very selfish ...let's get a young woman of breeding age and get her pregnant so that I can be a dad at 57 for the publicity
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I don't even know who this celeb is (I don't do celebrity gossip) but do we know this person is only in it for the publicity? Is it not possible that they genuinely felt they weren't ready until now? I find it pretty unlikely that someone would have a kid for this reason. Reading between the lines I guess most on this thread have something against this person other than the given reasons as it's all a bit tenuous. |
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I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons. |
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"I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons. "
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"I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons. "
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"I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons.
I can lend/give/donate mine to you for a while if you like?? I'll include ice-cream and chocolate - for you, not them."
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"I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons.
I've got one under ten going spare. Comes with batteries"
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"iI guess it shows a level of self awareness that he knows he wasn't ready until now. As long as he is fit and healthy he shouldnt be too old to bring up a kid. I had my last child at 46.
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I would suggest that it indicates significant selfunawareness that he didn't realise until being in his late 50's that he wanted to father a child. Allowing for the time required to meet someone suitable for a family relationship, the possible extended time required in achieving a pregnancy due to the well documented factor of lowered fertility in older men and the duration of the pregnancy, he would be in his mid seventies when the kid reached mid teens....
A man can know that he isn't ready to have a child, until he feels he is ready. That IS self awareness. It's ok to choose to wait to be ready before making a big choice like this. Plenty of older dads do great jobs and the kids can benefit from the lived life experience and (hopefully) the finances and stability that an order man has. Good luck to him I say!"
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"The relative risk is higher but the absolute risk is still low.
So while the relative risk increases by 400%, the baseline risk is only 1%.
So even with a geriatric parent 96% of kids do not have a risk of autism.
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Point well made DI.
But I am interested to know what you are saying the higher risk is relative to.
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"I actually think hes very selfish ...let's get a young woman of breeding age and get her pregnant so that I can be a dad at 57 for the publicity
I don't even know who this celeb is (I don't do celebrity gossip) but do we know this person is only in it for the publicity? Is it not possible that they genuinely felt they weren't ready until now? I find it pretty unlikely that someone would have a kid for this reason. Reading between the lines I guess most on this thread have something against this person other than the given reasons as it's all a bit tenuous."
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I certainly do not have anything against the television celebrity in question but I was prompted to post by what I thought was a topical issue. |
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"Soo do we think that everyone with a risk factor for autism shouldn't breed? What about people with ASD relatives? What about people who are neurodivergent themselves? What about women with diabetes? What about people who live in areas of high air pollution?"
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I for one certainly don't think that way. My post was in relation to someone making an arbitrary decision to have a child in his late 50's because he was probably too self absorbed in his life/career to make, what is one of the most important life decisions, sooner.
People with pre-existing conditions that may impact the health of their children give their decision to start a family a lot of consideration and are guided by medical advice. |
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"Soo do we think that everyone with a risk factor for autism shouldn't breed? What about people with ASD relatives? What about people who are neurodivergent themselves? What about women with diabetes? What about people who live in areas of high air pollution?
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I for one certainly don't think that way. My post was in relation to someone making an arbitrary decision to have a child in his late 50's because he was probably too self absorbed in his life/career to make, what is one of the most important life decisions, sooner.
People with pre-existing conditions that may impact the health of their children give their decision to start a family a lot of consideration and are guided by medical advice. "
So regarding the comment you're replying to here, what pre-existing conditions cause ASD, or any other ND conditions?
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"I’m 45 now and can’t see myself ever having children of my own. That ship has well and truly left the dock, sunk and the wreck is now encrusted with sea life and scuba divers. I’ve 3 nephews from 11 down to 5 and it’s energy zapping trying to keep up with them.
I also think it’s more of a generational gap more than an age gap issue. My own father was around my age when I was born and he was old school traditional and we never really got on. Partly I’d feel because there was probably 2 generations between us.
But if this lad wants to to have kids then I wish him well once it’s for the right reasons.
I can lend/give/donate mine to you for a while if you like?? I'll include ice-cream and chocolate - for you, not them.
As tempting as that sounds I’ll have to pass. I’ll still take the ice cream though"
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
Having just come out of a forum ban less than 24hrs ago I am absolutely willing to take another so I'm going to say this..
As the mother of an Autistic child, whose father, and mother were in their 40s when he was conceived, I cannot even begin to describe how utterly disgusted I am with your comments.
There is enough bull being spouted these days on the subject and I guarantee you that more parents than not suffer some amount of (unnecessary bit still there) guilt when they are given their child's diagnosis.
So just think before you type in future."
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As someone who has experienced forums bans in the past I appreciate it can be a risk to post forthright comments but as long as those comments are not directed in a personal way I am sure the site moderators will not need to intervene.
Having siblings on the autism spectrum and a family member currently waiting on assessment I fully understand the sensitivity of dealing with this condition but it is a fact of life and therefore should be open for discussion in a general way on here.
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I'm very much a live and let live person and usually on most personal decisions think if it makes them happy then go for it. The age gap wouldn't appeal to me and having children at very close to the age mentioned absolutely causes me to break out in a cold sweat with fear. That's a personal perspective and not a judgement on anyone who has made that choice.
In my line of work I interact with many families who have children with autism and other special needs, I have never noticed a particular age profile of the parents. I have noticed the love, care and support in every single case though.
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The guy is Noel Fitzpatrick who says he's been selfish in the past in relationships but feels he's ready now.
Upon Googling, it appears that Britney Spears' 2003 hit Toxic, was inspired by Noel's relationship with co-writer of the song, Cathy Dennis. I did not know that!
Anyone loving/helping animals the way he does gets my vote. Good luck to him. Mrs  |
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"Soo do we think that everyone with a risk factor for autism shouldn't breed? What about people with ASD relatives? What about people who are neurodivergent themselves? What about women with diabetes? What about people who live in areas of high air pollution?
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I for one certainly don't think that way. My post was in relation to someone making an arbitrary decision to have a child in his late 50's because he was probably too self absorbed in his life/career to make, what is one of the most important life decisions, sooner.
People with pre-existing conditions that may impact the health of their children give their decision to start a family a lot of consideration and are guided by medical advice. "
I suspect people with ASD risk factors like the ones I listed are likely to want to have kids the same as everyone else, and should be able to do so without needing medical advice or suffering judgement from elsewhere. Just the same as older men should be able to do considering they also have a tiny higher likelihood than the rest of the population.
I would also disagree that this guy is making an "arbitrary" decision to have kids later in life. This isn't a chance or random decision to decide to have kids later.
It's also pretty problematic to suggest that potentially having an ASD kid is a reason to not have them. I have 3 older ASD kids and have a 6 month old also. Was I wrong to have her because she may have ASD? I certainly have higher risk factors than an older man. Who should have the responsibility for making these decisions? Do others looking on have a right to criticise? This is a minefield.
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The selfishness aspect was actually the main thrust of my OP.
Was it being judgemental of the celeb in question....absolutely.
My highlighting of the possible outcome from such selfish action, while relevant, was a side issue and was actually meant as an effort at poking fun at the latest nonsense from Donnie Orange and RFK Jnr.
The "toxic" reference regarding previous relationships is quite telling in this particular case, imho.
Hoping all dad's, both young and old, get to spend some quality time with their kids this weekend.
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"First I’ve heard of a link between geriatric Fathers and Autism!! Are there statistics available on this subject? I’m sure if the female partner is ok with a pregnancy with an older guy then have at it IMO
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There is quite an amount of data on this subject from research done by reputable institutions across the globe and the overwhelming results indicate that there is a higher risk of autism in the children of older fathers.
Please give links and name of these reputable institions, as someone who volunteered in a youth club with a dedicated night for children on the autisum spectrum, and some relitives who are on the spectrum,not once have I came accross and reliable material linking older fathers to autism in children
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"The irony of someone cheating on their partner calling another persons choices about their own lives self centred and selfish is hilarious. "
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Point noted.....and I am always pleased to bring some hilarity into the lives of people on Fab.
Irony, like beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder and while I fully acknowledge that someone is as entitled to express that opinion as I am to post my original post it could be viewed as somewhat off topic and perhaps an unnecessary personal comment on the original poster rather than the original post.
I am open on Fab about my personal situation and have learned to live with my individual life choices which I fully admit to being selfish and self serving.
Always happy to chat on here or to meet socially and discuss similar or opposing views with openminded Fabbers.
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
Having just come out of a forum ban less than 24hrs ago I am absolutely willing to take another so I'm going to say this..
As the mother of an Autistic child, whose father, and mother were in their 40s when he was conceived, I cannot even begin to describe how utterly disgusted I am with your comments.
There is enough bull being spouted these days on the subject and I guarantee you that more parents than not suffer some amount of (unnecessary bit still there) guilt when they are given their child's diagnosis.
So just think before you type in future.
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As someone who has experienced forums bans in the past I appreciate it can be a risk to post forthright comments but as long as those comments are not directed in a personal way I am sure the site moderators will not need to intervene.
Having siblings on the autism spectrum and a family member currently waiting on assessment I fully understand the sensitivity of dealing with this condition but it is a fact of life and therefore should be open for discussion in a general way on here.
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
How completely uneducated can you be in life???? Wtf is right Judge Judy.
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Education is an ongoing process..."every day is a school day" has long been my mantra on life.
One thing I learned from very early on in my long, and still not totally fully educated, life is that name calling is often the last resort of most the most juvenile and immature among us.
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Juvenile and immature among ud...and you blocked me because my narrative is different to yours, and yours is 100% correct. Right?
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"Meh.. Plenty of people father children in their teens and twenties and make a shit job of it, and many disappear out of their child's life despite being alive and well. I don't see why this case should be a problem. Once the child is loved and provided for they'll be grand.
There are no guarantees in life. One person could father a child when aged 20 and die aged 21. This man could father a child now and live for another 30 years.
I don't particularly think there's a right or wrong time.
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"A certain celebrity vet has announced that at 57 he is thinking of finding a 30something to start a family with.....wtf.
He says he wasn't mature enough to be a father until now....if he didn't mature in his late teens/20's he is never going to mature.
Might be a nice idea for someone who is regretting not committing to a family sooner but is totally unfair on the unfortunate issue of such a selfcentered and selfish desire....imho.
It seems there is a higher risk of autism in the children of geriatric fathers than there is from mothers taking paracetamol for a headache.
How completely uneducated can you be in life???? Wtf is right Judge Judy.
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Education is an ongoing process..."every day is a school day" has long been my mantra on life.
One thing I learned from very early on in my long, and still not totally fully educated, life is that name calling is often the last resort of most the most juvenile and immature among us.
Juvenile and immature among ud...and you blocked me because my narrative is different to yours, and yours is 100% correct. Right?
I'll stick with mine, its called reality. You need to get off Craggy Island. "
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I have all males blocked on my message filters which I am actually encouraged to do by the site as a way of reducing the number of unwanted messages I receive.
I have not blocked you "individually" because of any difference of narrative or for any other reason for that matter. To suggest so is incorrect and a misrepresentation of the facts which might be seen as an ecumenical matter by some of the more fair-minded folk on here.
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