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"Please stop claiming the whole country is enraged or protesting. I literally know nobody personally that protesting or enraged enough to consider protesting, I know plenty who think the protesters are going too far though " ..... This. Protest is one thing. Holding the whole country to ransom is a different matter. | |||
"Please stop claiming the whole country is enraged or protesting. I literally know nobody personally that protesting or enraged enough to consider protesting, I know plenty who think the protesters are going too far though ..... This. Protest is one thing. Holding the whole country to ransom is a different matter." who grows your food. Who delivers your food to the supermarket. Everyone I know is 💯 behind this. | |||
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"I will say the hauliers and farmers have every right to protest. Imagine if they couldn't afford to run farm machinery or trucks.. how does your food get on the shelves again? When the government receives €1.50 nearly for every litre this is whats being protested, its also why the government are gaslighting the general public into believing the protectors are the problem!" Protesters * | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣" ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items. | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items." if they can't afford to run their machinery nothing gets grown so you starve it's as simple as that. | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items." and people also have short memories. Who does all the road clearing and helping when we have storms and heavy snowfall the Farmers and the truck driver's. | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items." is that you mehole or is it simple Simon didn't expect ye two on here | |||
"I will say the hauliers and farmers have every right to protest. Imagine if they couldn't afford to run farm machinery or trucks.. how does your food get on the shelves again? When the government receives €1.50 nearly for every litre this is whats being protested, its also why the government are gaslighting the general public into believing the protectors are the problem!" Yes they have a right to protest, but I dont believe they have a right to blockage and stop the supply of fuel to the rest of the population. The cost of fuel like every cost of living issue(and there are many which this government have failed us on) of course affects everyone, but it obviously affects this group disproportionately, which is why they are now protesting in such large numbers. Its an unreasonable approach and equates to a group who have higher medical bills than other's barricading the hospitals | |||
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"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors " you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. | |||
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"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. " I dont know any farmers that grow food | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items. is that you mehole or is it simple Simon didn't expect ye two on here" .... Mockery is most often the last resort of those who know they are on the wrong side of an argument. | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food " do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items.and people also have short memories. Who does all the road clearing and helping when we have storms and heavy snowfall the Farmers and the truck driver's." ..... To get to and from their own homes/farms maybe but most road clearance and storm repair is carried out by local authority workers. | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items.and people also have short memories. Who does all the road clearing and helping when we have storms and heavy snowfall the Farmers and the truck driver's. ..... To get to and from their own homes/farms maybe but most road clearance and storm repair is carried out by local authority workers." no they are not out in the countryside it's done by local farmers and truck driver's we rely on them that's why we back them. | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy." Of course I do but I buy them in a supermarket....I dont know any farmers What difference does it make if I dont know the name of the farmer | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy." ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. | |||
"Like I said on the other thread. Hurting the people who have no skin in the game. The laughing and gloating is distasteful and makes any sympathy I had rapidly dissipate " This. The glee. You'll only get it from people who aren't stuck for money. May ye never know hunger. | |||
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"I think the whole thing is nonsense and opportunism tbh The cost of fuel wasn’t an issue until it spiked due to the conflict in the Middle East which the Irish govt can do sweet fuck all about If farmers aren’t paid enough for their goods, go off and bitch to the supermarkets for they’re the ones pushing prices down I think it’s petty people taking revenge on others and making being miserable as opposed to using the platform to do something constructive" Do you know how much Duty is applied on fuel by our innocent government? | |||
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"I think the whole thing is nonsense and opportunism tbh The cost of fuel wasn’t an issue until it spiked due to the conflict in the Middle East which the Irish govt can do sweet fuck all about If farmers aren’t paid enough for their goods, go off and bitch to the supermarkets for they’re the ones pushing prices down I think it’s petty people taking revenge on others and making being miserable as opposed to using the platform to do something constructive Do you know how much Duty is applied on fuel by our innocent government? " There’s always been duty on fuel, the price of crude oil is what’s caused prices to skyrocket | |||
"I think the whole thing is nonsense and opportunism tbh The cost of fuel wasn’t an issue until it spiked due to the conflict in the Middle East which the Irish govt can do sweet fuck all about If farmers aren’t paid enough for their goods, go off and bitch to the supermarkets for they’re the ones pushing prices down I think it’s petty people taking revenge on others and making being miserable as opposed to using the platform to do something constructive Do you know how much Duty is applied on fuel by our innocent government? " And if they cut the tax on fuel, where is the shortfall going to be made up? I'm curious as to your thinking on this | |||
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"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items." You should remember that because the way the farming community is being treated in this country its just shocking and they will soon be out of buisness thanks to unhelpful people like you... And when this happens i hope you don't get cancer from eating hormonal Brazilian beef because of your lack of actions | |||
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"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade." Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 | |||
"Talking of farmers, milk is over 1.50 a litre yet all they do is milk the cow, pasteurised and put in carton. Diesel and petrol has to be drilled, refined , transported and the dispensed in petrol stations and still cheaper than a alcoholic drink " Of witch the farmer gets 32 cent after feed the cow making winter feed for her running machinery and labour fuck me a cup of tea is 3 euros anywhere for hot water and a teabag . The farmers deserve to earn a decent living too. | |||
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"It seems the protestors are getting their meeting tomorrow afternoon. And of course an ugly precedent has been set. Now I can pitch a circus tent on O'Connell Bridge and demand free nitrous oxide for clowns on behalf of the alien spaghetti monster party. And they will have to listen." You do what makes you feel happy or good about yourself and we'll look after ourselves 😉 | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 " Do the vets not need fuel to travel? Both to their place of work and to make farm visits? | |||
"Im totally behind the protest,its about time people just stood up to this horrible shower in government.Lots of other countries acted immediately to help their citizens with the fuel price increases,ours did the minimum as usual. Michael Martin then made it worse with his terrible interview,goverment are to blame for inflaming situation. Farm to fork .....whats in the middle,transport." https://news.sky.com/story/how-countries-are-dealing-with-rising-oil-and-gas-prices-13526096 Very few countries have capped fuel prices, and some of those only in the last couple of days. More have put limits on amounts of fuel that can be purchased, implemented 4 day working weeks or ordered WFH amongst other rationing schemes. Rationing is by far the most common action that's been taken, however the vast majority of countries have as yet not taken any measures either on price or consumption. | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 " ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. | |||
"Talking of farmers, milk is over 1.50 a litre yet all they do is milk the cow, pasteurised and put in carton. Diesel and petrol has to be drilled, refined , transported and the dispensed in petrol stations and still cheaper than a alcoholic drink Of witch the farmer gets 32 cent after feed the cow making winter feed for her running machinery and labour fuck me a cup of tea is 3 euros anywhere for hot water and a teabag . The farmers deserve to earn a decent living too." Of course they do, but the fact they get so little out of this speaks more about the power of supermarkets and food processors. Is the IFA not supposed to negotiate a fair price for farmers? Regarding fuel, it seems to me that Spain had the right idea. They have reduced VAT on fuel from 21% to 10% till the end of June. At least Vat reduction has an effect when pre-tax prices move upwards. | |||
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"Im totally behind the protest,its about time people just stood up to this horrible shower in government.Lots of other countries acted immediately to help their citizens with the fuel price increases,ours did the minimum as usual. Michael Martin then made it worse with his terrible interview,goverment are to blame for inflaming situation. Farm to fork .....whats in the middle,transport. https://news.sky.com/story/how-countries-are-dealing-with-rising-oil-and-gas-prices-13526096 Very few countries have capped fuel prices, and some of those only in the last couple of days. More have put limits on amounts of fuel that can be purchased, implemented 4 day working weeks or ordered WFH amongst other rationing schemes. Rationing is by far the most common action that's been taken, however the vast majority of countries have as yet not taken any measures either on price or consumption. " Thank you , saved me going to the trouble. In fact the cut in excise duty is one of the largest by any government. People should check out who Christopher Duffy is, and what he stands for, to fully understand what is really going on here. | |||
"eople should check out who Christopher Duffy is, and what he stands for, to fully understand what is really going on here. " Absolutely and I said this in a pevious post. He's not the only one either and this was all instantly hijacked by he usual anti-everything freaks. | |||
" we'll look after ourselves 😉" Finally at least a bit of transparency | |||
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"Think part of the issue is that a lot of people absolutely pissed off with this government There's a lot wrong in this country that concerns most of us before the attack on Iran even happened Housing Health Cost of living Crime Cost overruns by the government on everything When we have an election we vote back in the same people every single tome Thats why the protectors have struck a chord Its a chance for the little guy to fight back Saying that I just heard the list of demands by the leader of the protesters live on the radio that he wanted before the blockades would be lifted Most of them about the cost of fuel for the farmers However they also want the Dail recalled tonight and a bill passed to lift the ban on oil exploration off the west coast of of Ireland or the blockades remain The man's deluded We now have a situation where he says the government invited him in for talks and the government says they didn't Looks like he going to turn up an representative of one of the official groups due to meet them Shouting match on the steps of the meeting room on the news later " I think they have only really struck a chord with a certain section of the population though and they have now alienated the vast majority of the rest of us. And now anyone who says they are not with these people holding the rest of us to ransom are made out to be pro government policy. Its divisive, its now completely selfish and if getting extremely dangerous for the most vulnerable | |||
"Talking of farmers, milk is over 1.50 a litre yet all they do is milk the cow, pasteurised and put in carton. Diesel and petrol has to be drilled, refined , transported and the dispensed in petrol stations and still cheaper than a alcoholic drink Of witch the farmer gets 32 cent after feed the cow making winter feed for her running machinery and labour fuck me a cup of tea is 3 euros anywhere for hot water and a teabag . The farmers deserve to earn a decent living too. Of course they do, but the fact they get so little out of this speaks more about the power of supermarkets and food processors. Is the IFA not supposed to negotiate a fair price for farmers? Regarding fuel, it seems to me that Spain had the right idea. They have reduced VAT on fuel from 21% to 10% till the end of June. At least Vat reduction has an effect when pre-tax prices move upwards." The government have nothing to do with the price farmers negotiate with food processors and supermarkets, so that’s a red herring. As for a VAT reduction, registered hauliers are VAT exempt, so that’s another red herring. Compare our fuel prices to countries like The Netherlands, Germany or France and tell me why those countries are not being held to ransom. | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. " I not say the dairy men have big fancy tractors , certain amount do ,but they have great big fancy sheds , kitted out to the best ,and yes alot of them or not involved, which is a shame, but sure trucks no longer able to take there milk from the cooler , due to the high fuel costs ,its ok , they can dump it out onto the fields , . What a fantastic commet you made , shows how much you know | |||
"Its looking like the government have enraged the whole country at this point 17 different protests in Cork . That alone speaks volumes!! Its going to be a long weekend folks make sure you have bread milk and potatoes 🤣🤣 ..... Farmers are always quick to remind us that they produce the food we eat but does it now look like they are prepared to starve us into submitting to their demands. Shades of "Trevelyan's corn". Irish people have long memories and don't consider it a joke when it comes to being deprived of essential food items.if they can't afford to run their machinery nothing gets grown so you starve it's as simple as that." correct and right ,maybe that's what them type of lad need ,starvation, might put value on where food comes from ,how it made , the whole fucking history behind a loaf of bread should be studied | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. I not say the dairy men have big fancy tractors , certain amount do ,but they have great big fancy sheds , kitted out to the best ,and yes alot of them or not involved, which is a shame, but sure trucks no longer able to take there milk from the cooler , due to the high fuel costs ,its ok , they can dump it out onto the fields , . What a fantastic commet you made , shows how much you know " .... I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. | |||
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" we'll look after ourselves 😉 Finally at least a bit of transparency " Indeed! | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. I not say the dairy men have big fancy tractors , certain amount do ,but they have great big fancy sheds , kitted out to the best ,and yes alot of them or not involved, which is a shame, but sure trucks no longer able to take there milk from the cooler , due to the high fuel costs ,its ok , they can dump it out onto the fields , . What a fantastic commet you made , shows how much you know .... I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric." great stuff you have the intelligence,. I probably have a more detailed knowledge ,in livestock haulage,cutting silage, growing cereals,fert and chemical application than most people on here,and I hope my commets accuracy reflects and not., bla bla | |||
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"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. I not say the dairy men have big fancy tractors , certain amount do ,but they have great big fancy sheds , kitted out to the best ,and yes alot of them or not involved, which is a shame, but sure trucks no longer able to take there milk from the cooler , due to the high fuel costs ,its ok , they can dump it out onto the fields , . What a fantastic commet you made , shows how much you know .... I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric.great stuff you have the intelligence,. I probably have a more detailed knowledge ,in livestock haulage,cutting silage, growing cereals,fert and chemical application than most people on here,and I hope my commets accuracy reflects and not., bla bla" People will lose their livelihoods as a result of these protests. Businesses will close. If the innocent people who suffer as a result of these protests were to blockade you, and all others who have participated in these protests, in to your houses so you couldn’t go about your daily business how would you feel? | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. Not many cattle wondering the motorway or city's of Ireland so i can't see a problem here either 🤔 🙄 ..... Animals sometimes require vet assistance giving birth, and this is still a busy time for calving and lambing on lots of farms so it will start to impact directly on farmers if vets can't get fuel to travel to farms. This will lead to higher animal mortality rates and the knackery wagons won't be able to come and collect the carcasses either. The dairy and sheep farmers, most of whom don't own big fancy tractors or trucks are at home looking after their stock and are not involved in the protests. They may not thank their tillage and contractor buddies for causing them unnecessary animal welfare issues and significant monetary losses. I not say the dairy men have big fancy tractors , certain amount do ,but they have great big fancy sheds , kitted out to the best ,and yes alot of them or not involved, which is a shame, but sure trucks no longer able to take there milk from the cooler , due to the high fuel costs ,its ok , they can dump it out onto the fields , . What a fantastic commet you made , shows how much you know .... I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric.great stuff you have the intelligence,. I probably have a more detailed knowledge ,in livestock haulage,cutting silage, growing cereals,fert and chemical application than most people on here,and I hope my commets accuracy reflects and not., bla bla People will lose their livelihoods as a result of these protests. Businesses will close. If the innocent people who suffer as a result of these protests were to blockade you, and all others who have participated in these protests, in to your houses so you couldn’t go about your daily business how would you feel?" To be fair,the reason for these blockades by these drivers is to protect their livelihoods as they have stressed all along that they are losing money and cannot work any longer with government help.....I personally see the government as the cause of the problem as they haven't helped these drivers at all. | |||
" To be fair,the reason for these blockades by these drivers is to protect their livelihoods as they have stressed all along that they are losing money and cannot work any longer with government help.....I personally see the government as the cause of the problem as they haven't helped these drivers at all." I dont think many people would disagree with the government needing to do more to protect against rising costs in general. But endangering other people's health and livelihoods is not a legitimate form of protest | |||
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" To be fair,the reason for these blockades by these drivers is to protect their livelihoods as they have stressed all along that they are losing money and cannot work any longer with government help.....I personally see the government as the cause of the problem as they haven't helped these drivers at all. I dont think many people would disagree with the government needing to do more to protect against rising costs in general. But endangering other people's health and livelihoods is not a legitimate form of protest " Their livelihoods are in danger already because of policies by this government.More should be done to help households and reduce increasing bills | |||
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"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric." I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets | |||
"I wasn't going to post here at all but reading the above I need to ask a question. If this kind of protest is wrong,what's the alternative? Our government will not listen and they refuse to accept any blame for the mistakes they make and absolutely will not change the way they do things. They waste obscene amounts of money and it doesn't cost them a thought. They have no clue what it's like to worry about paying a bill, only putting a few quid petrol/diesel in the car because you're nearly broke, praying the car doesn't break because you know you can't afford to fix it. Scrimping on the food shop til next pay day. I know what all this feels like, despite working every hour I can! These are real worries for a lot of families and unfortunately the people that are not struggling don't care. Our government certainly don't care. So I ask again...what's the alternative to a protest like this? How can we make our elected representatives listen and actually do something to help?? I genuinely believe that an awful lot of people don't want to be blockading towns and cities but they've had enough. I feel it's pure frustration and can fully understand it. If I could afford to take the time off id probably join them! " We live in a democracy. There is a legitimate mechanism there to remove a government. Meanwhile one of the leaders of this rabble is calling it a revolution. Think about the implications of that. Is that really a legitimate protest? | |||
"I wasn't going to post here at all but reading the above I need to ask a question. If this kind of protest is wrong,what's the alternative? Our government will not listen and they refuse to accept any blame for the mistakes they make and absolutely will not change the way they do things. They waste obscene amounts of money and it doesn't cost them a thought. They have no clue what it's like to worry about paying a bill, only putting a few quid petrol/diesel in the car because you're nearly broke, praying the car doesn't break because you know you can't afford to fix it. Scrimping on the food shop til next pay day. I know what all this feels like, despite working every hour I can! These are real worries for a lot of families and unfortunately the people that are not struggling don't care. Our government certainly don't care. So I ask again...what's the alternative to a protest like this? How can we make our elected representatives listen and actually do something to help?? I genuinely believe that an awful lot of people don't want to be blockading towns and cities but they've had enough. I feel it's pure frustration and can fully understand it. If I could afford to take the time off id probably join them! " The thing is though this protest is causing those issues and pushing them over the edge for alot of those people you are speaking about. Its very frustrating to feel like you are not being heard and powerless but passing on the increasing the misery and suffering onto others is not the way to get this done. Besides the fact that they have now gone so far they've literally pushed the government into a position where they can't simply release a raft of measures or this type of thing will happen everytime a group of people get disgruntled | |||
"I wasn't going to post here at all but reading the above I need to ask a question. If this kind of protest is wrong,what's the alternative? Our government will not listen and they refuse to accept any blame for the mistakes they make and absolutely will not change the way they do things. They waste obscene amounts of money and it doesn't cost them a thought. They have no clue what it's like to worry about paying a bill, only putting a few quid petrol/diesel in the car because you're nearly broke, praying the car doesn't break because you know you can't afford to fix it. Scrimping on the food shop til next pay day. I know what all this feels like, despite working every hour I can! These are real worries for a lot of families and unfortunately the people that are not struggling don't care. Our government certainly don't care. So I ask again...what's the alternative to a protest like this? How can we make our elected representatives listen and actually do something to help?? I genuinely believe that an awful lot of people don't want to be blockading towns and cities but they've had enough. I feel it's pure frustration and can fully understand it. If I could afford to take the time off id probably join them! We live in a democracy. There is a legitimate mechanism there to remove a government. Meanwhile one of the leaders of this rabble is calling it a revolution. Think about the implications of that. Is that really a legitimate protest?" There is a legitimate mechanism that we can use every 5 years! Are you suggesting we wait until the next election to try fix what's wrong now? | |||
"I wasn't going to post here at all but reading the above I need to ask a question. If this kind of protest is wrong,what's the alternative? Our government will not listen and they refuse to accept any blame for the mistakes they make and absolutely will not change the way they do things. They waste obscene amounts of money and it doesn't cost them a thought. They have no clue what it's like to worry about paying a bill, only putting a few quid petrol/diesel in the car because you're nearly broke, praying the car doesn't break because you know you can't afford to fix it. Scrimping on the food shop til next pay day. I know what all this feels like, despite working every hour I can! These are real worries for a lot of families and unfortunately the people that are not struggling don't care. Our government certainly don't care. So I ask again...what's the alternative to a protest like this? How can we make our elected representatives listen and actually do something to help?? I genuinely believe that an awful lot of people don't want to be blockading towns and cities but they've had enough. I feel it's pure frustration and can fully understand it. If I could afford to take the time off id probably join them! The thing is though this protest is causing those issues and pushing them over the edge for alot of those people you are speaking about. Its very frustrating to feel like you are not being heard and powerless but passing on the increasing the misery and suffering onto others is not the way to get this done. Besides the fact that they have now gone so far they've literally pushed the government into a position where they can't simply release a raft of measures or this type of thing will happen everytime a group of people get disgruntled " I hear you, genuinely!! But my question still stands....what's the alternative? It really is frustrating and I can empathise with those involved...and I'm one of those that the protest is hurting! | |||
" I hear you, genuinely!! But my question still stands....what's the alternative? It really is frustrating and I can empathise with those involved...and I'm one of those that the protest is hurting! " They could carry out a very similar protest but allow a reduced flow of fuel to the country. Cause delays and disruption at forecourts without fully stopping supply, so that the most vulnerable don't have to worry about being able to work, access health care, get support of family for care etc..... Similar approach to the roads, cause extremely slow moving traffic but not complete gridlock. | |||
" I hear you, genuinely!! But my question still stands....what's the alternative? It really is frustrating and I can empathise with those involved...and I'm one of those that the protest is hurting! They could carry out a very similar protest but allow a reduced flow of fuel to the country. Cause delays and disruption at forecourts without fully stopping supply, so that the most vulnerable don't have to worry about being able to work, access health care, get support of family for care etc..... Similar approach to the roads, cause extremely slow moving traffic but not complete gridlock. " That's an alternative that could work...but I'd worry the government would just sit in their hands and not actually do anything. Either way, something has to be done. I appreciate the reply too!  | |||
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"A farmer myself, currently in the middle of lambing and just finished calving last week, these protests are becoming embarrassing. Why aren't they protesting outside the American and Israel embassy in Dublin?? Seems it's not really about fuel prices at all when I see the type of people at it. Sadly I wasn't surprised to see those ones there. " When you have Chris Duffy, an anti immigrant campaigner, and James Geoghegan, a tax evader, as the public faces of the protests legitimate questions should be asked. | |||
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"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting " 💯 | |||
"A farmer myself, currently in the middle of lambing and just finished calving last week, these protests are becoming embarrassing. Why aren't they protesting outside the American and Israel embassy in Dublin?? Seems it's not really about fuel prices at all when I see the type of people at it. Sadly I wasn't surprised to see those ones there. When you have Chris Duffy, an anti immigrant campaigner, and James Geoghegan, a tax evader, as the public faces of the protests legitimate questions should be asked. " And Niall McConnell, he's just there stirring absolute hatred and bigotry. False flag wavers. No interest in the price of fuel, just an opportunity to have a go at the gubberment! They are called armchair farmers. | |||
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"One of the protesters has 1/2 million revenue judgement against him." The government, the boys in power , there are all squeaky clean of course . Bet if you go digging you find a lot .I stand with Duffy and geoghagan. If I have to be removed or banned for saying it ,go ahead , could not care less . I saying no more on the matter . Wet evening , better get out of the cab and fill this with diseal , and the add blue ,as to keep the diseal fumes clean. Isn't there a tax on that addblue also. Some amount of taxes has to be paid on this machine | |||
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"One of the protesters has 1/2 million revenue judgement against him.The government, the boys in power , there are all squeaky clean of course . Bet if you go digging you find a lot .I stand with Duffy and geoghagan. If I have to be removed or banned for saying it ,go ahead , could not care less . I saying no more on the matter . Wet evening , better get out of the cab and fill this with diseal , and the add blue ,as to keep the diseal fumes clean. Isn't there a tax on that addblue also. Some amount of taxes has to be paid on this machine " Let’s have a closer look at the people you stand with. You stand with a man who does not pay his taxes. You stand with a man who is cruel to his animals. You stand with a convicted drink driver. You stand with people who espouse hateful racist rhetoric. Do these people really represent you? | |||
"One of the protesters has 1/2 million revenue judgement against him.The government, the boys in power , there are all squeaky clean of course . Bet if you go digging you find a lot .I stand with Duffy and geoghagan. If I have to be removed or banned for saying it ,go ahead , could not care less . " I’d say you’ll probably be arrested, this sort of thing is taken very seriously on a swingers site….. | |||
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"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting " I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here . | |||
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"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want." Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 | |||
"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here ." well said, some people living in cities have no clue what goes on in rural Ireland. | |||
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"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want." You’re going to jail too…..  | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 " I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning. | |||
"Can we not all kiss and make up lads and lassies" diseal has us all drove a bit mad here the last few days | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning." Insider trading,,you’re definitely going to jail…. | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning. Insider trading,,you’re definitely going to jail…." it's good to be friends with some people 😜 | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning." what colour diseal did you put in your tank. Hope its the right colour as in green , | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning. Insider trading,,you’re definitely going to jail…. it's good to be friends with some people 😜" I filled up the Jerry Cans myself……  | |||
"I 💯 stand with the protesters Keep her lit Block me if you want. Well thank God for that post . You deserve 20 liters of diseal free of any charge 😆 I got a bit of information Wednesday night through countryside Vine so I filled the tank on Thursday morning.what colour diseal did you put in your tank. Hope its the right colour as in green , " nope everything above board. Diesel out of the filling station. | |||
"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here . well said, some people living in cities have no clue what goes on in rural Ireland." You could also make the point that some people in Rural Ireland haven't a clue about what goes on it the cities  | |||
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"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here ." Yesterday someone said in another thread that it is a very quiet time for contractors and thats why one had no work for the 6 tractors he had on the protest | |||
"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here . well said, some people living in cities have no clue what goes on in rural Ireland. You could also make the point that some people in Rural Ireland haven't a clue about what goes on it the cities "oh we do,we really do | |||
"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets" .... Never have and possibly never will vote FF but absolutely support the current coalition as the democratically elected government. My post was mearly stating the fact that I happen to have an indepth knowledge of agriculture and agri product processing through my lived experience. I can't change or deny that. My sympathy lies with those most effected by the rise in the cost of living including fuel/energy price inflation but that sympathy does not extend to include those that have taken the disproportionate measure of holding the whole countryto ransome for personal gain. As a lifelong tax payer, currently living on a state pension only, I can neither afford to be arrogant or condescending about the current fuel orice situation but I will always call it as I see it and will not be lead blindly by the nose by self proclaimed populist leaders seeking to gain personal advantage at the expense of the population at large. Having empathy involves walking in the shoes of others to better understand their situation but it is difficult to do so when they have you pinned to the ground with one boot firmly placed on your throat and the other one kicking you up the arse.... Empathy has to be earned and will always be given to those who show equal respect in return towards others. | |||
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"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food Just right because as it is milk farms are being paid 14% less per l than what they can produce milk at would you still do your job if it was running at a loss to you? If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade." | |||
"I think it was your claim that you “have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers” bit, the rest was just jibbers……." ..... Jibbers? 🤔 | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade." milk farms are currently working at a 14% loss per l of milk produced the factorys set the rate for the farms id ask anyone as i would not do it if i was running at a loss never mind a 14 % loss id close the gates and so would anyone else so what would irish people want farms closed and import our food or protest and keep farms open and have fresh local food i know what i want and the goverment needs to run ireland like a country and not a buissness | |||
"I think it was your claim that you “have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers” bit, the rest was just jibbers……." ... My claim was mearly to confirm that I have the knowledge and experience to be in a position to substantiate the well informed comments I had made regarding the fuel blockade.  | |||
"If Irish farmers go out of business then all the major supermarkets would have supply issues for a few days and then fill in the missing gaps on the shelves So can we stop the remember who supplies the food If farmers go bust then they sell the farm and other farmers buy the farm an start again By the way I haven't heard an actual farmer on the radio while driving .....all farming contractors you know contractors are farmers too and the farmers who aren't contractors their bills are even higher with their own fuel bills and paying higher costs on contractors because they are being crucified by fuel bills. Talk to a local farmer and see what he says. I dont know any farmers that grow food do you eat meat do you drink milk do you eat dairy. ..... Milk will go uncollected and have to be spread on the land and cattle will remain unsold in finishing sheds if the employees of the milk and meat processing plants are unable to get to the factories because they have no fuel for their cars. Vets will be unable to visit farms for animal welfare issues and paramedics will be unable to travel to medical emergencies in rural areas due to the fuel shortages caused by an ill thought out blockade. milk farms are currently working at a 14% loss per l of milk produced the factorys set the rate for the farms id ask anyone as i would not do it if i was running at a loss never mind a 14 % loss id close the gates and so would anyone else so what would irish people want farms closed and import our food or protest and keep farms open and have fresh local food i know what i want and the goverment needs to run ireland like a country and not a buissness" .... The 14% loss figure as quoted would apoear to be at odds with the recent figures published by Teagasc. The data shows that average profitability on Irish dairy farms was up by €400/cow in 2025 over 2024 levels. In fact, 2025, on average, was the second most profitable year on Irish dairy farms after 2022. While 2026 figures may drop back to 2024 levels, against a background of costs rising in line with inflation, the level of milk price paid to farmers will continue to remain above the level of their costs therefore milk production will remain a profitable business. The recent drop in milk price is due to over production on the global milk market. Some of the over production is being contributed to by the significant increase in dairy cow numbers in Ireland since the abolition of milk quotas in 2015. Basic economic principles of "supply and demand" in action. 🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄 🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛🥛 | |||
"They made their point very well . Time to stop until the talks conclude . Can’t help thinking if the was hay to be cut and baled . Silage to be made , there would be no protests . A quiet time in agri contracting I heard it all now . Quite time in agri contracting , how you figure that out . Spring time is crazy busy ,tillage sectors getting crops sowed . Beef dairy, fertiliser on to grass as well as slurry spread, with our big stupid environmental friendly tankers ,that takes extra fuel to work the dam thing . Agri contractor covers all aspect of farming ,not just hay and silage . Some just dont have a clue here . Yesterday someone said in another thread that it is a very quiet time for contractors and thats why one had no work for the 6 tractors he had on the protest " didn't see that post. Most contractors are at all aspects of farming, the probably is the odd one who specialises in just silage cutting but ourselves here , we at everything, tillage ,grass ,haulage ,plant hire . Sorry if blunt in the previous message to this .that carbon tax on fuel has been a problem for a good many years now , and that's on the agenda with the boys in dublin today .so I with them, no matter what they done back the years ,with animals tax , racism. | |||
"I will say the hauliers and farmers have every right to protest. Imagine if they couldn't afford to run farm machinery or trucks.. how does your food get on the shelves again? When the government receives €1.50 nearly for every litre this is whats being protested, its also why the government are gaslighting the general public into believing the protectors are the problem! Protesters *" Leave Religion out of it | |||
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"The oil tankers entering Whitegate refinery is "the people's" protest against those who were happy to hold the whole country to ransom. It is good to see the legitimate forces of the State taking back control from the self-appointed rabble. ? Now that is something to fly the National Flag for. 🇮🇪" Seems as you know everything, well educated, great with figures ,percentages,probaly speaks chineese as well as irish . What should have happened to make the goverment listen to the problem instead of this protest ??? | |||
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"The oil tankers entering Whitegate refinery is "the people's" protest against those who were happy to hold the whole country to ransom. It is good to see the legitimate forces of the State taking back control from the self-appointed rabble. ? Now that is something to fly the National Flag for. 🇮🇪Seems as you know everything, well educated, great with figures ,percentages,probaly speaks chineese as well as irish . What should have happened to make the goverment listen to the problem instead of this protest ???" .... Not sure just how well but certainly educated....thanks to the foresight of a FF Education Minister to introduce "Free second level Education" back in the 1960's. Worked in milk/food processing industry and with farmers and agriculture contractors to put myself through college. Not conversant in Mandarin and certainly not fluent in Irish but I am capable of using independent thinking to inform myself of the facts about a situation. I was never one to follow someone just because they were banging the loudest drum. What should have happened is what actually happened to bring about the necessary change....the representatives of the agri and transport sectors engaged with the democratically elected government and a level of agreement was reached. I have no problem with a token protest to bring pressure to bear in any situation but going outside the law to blockade essential service facilities is a step too far....imo. | |||
"The oil tankers entering Whitegate refinery is "the people's" protest against those who were happy to hold the whole country to ransom. It is good to see the legitimate forces of the State taking back control from the self-appointed rabble. ? Now that is something to fly the National Flag for. 🇮🇪Seems as you know everything, well educated, great with figures ,percentages,probaly speaks chineese as well as irish . What should have happened to make the goverment listen to the problem instead of this protest ??? .... Not sure just how well but certainly educated....thanks to the foresight of a FF Education Minister to introduce "Free second level Education" back in the 1960's. Worked in milk/food processing industry and with farmers and agriculture contractors to put myself through college. Not conversant in Mandarin and certainly not fluent in Irish but I am capable of using independent thinking to inform myself of the facts about a situation. I was never one to follow someone just because they were banging the loudest drum. What should have happened is what actually happened to bring about the necessary change....the representatives of the agri and transport sectors engaged with the democratically elected government and a level of agreement was reached. I have no problem with a token protest to bring pressure to bear in any situation but going outside the law to blockade essential service facilities is a step too far....imo." representatives of the agri, had a protest to remove Larry mullin bord bia import of Brazilian beef .that didn't amount to much . Really the agri representatives,I not call them good at there job . Where is leader of representatives of group that suppose to help my line of work .she is in Spain, isn't that correct ,the week this protest all started .. More to this protest that just the price of fuel .our representatives, there a waste of time . Enough enough , boys in dublin stand your ground , I have a couple of tractors with drivers in Midlands tomorrow , putting a irish flag on top of each cab . | |||
"Hank- you’re actually wasting your energy- these are people that probably believes that the bogs should have been shut down, that our peat power stations we’re dirty and we should give away all of our oil & gas. To import bricketts from Germany, oil from Norway All for extortionate prices… you’re wasting your time! " I saying no more on it now,I'm not educated enough to spell it out correctly lol. But yes the gave away everything, bord na mona I could write a book on them if I was educated 😆. And it be a number one seller ha ha | |||
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"Please stop claiming the whole country is enraged or protesting. I literally know nobody personally that protesting or enraged enough to consider protesting, I know plenty who think the protesters are going too far though ..... This. Protest is one thing. Holding the whole country to ransom is a different matter." Totally agree with this. But I do know one headcase gone to whitegate but she would protest if you killed 2 flies. Some people just love the sound of their own voice. | |||
"Please stop claiming the whole country is enraged or protesting. I literally know nobody personally that protesting or enraged enough to consider protesting, I know plenty who think the protesters are going too far though ..... This. Protest is one thing. Holding the whole country to ransom is a different matter. Totally agree with this. But I do know one headcase gone to whitegate but she would protest if you killed 2 flies. Some people just love the sound of their own voice. " Travelled the M50 today … because everyone is avoiding it the journey was probably quicker than it usually is. I agree with the above don’t know anyone enraged, Saw an interview with a tourist who was saying - what’s the problem this 2:20 is the price for diesel in their county before the increases because of the Iran war. | |||
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"Gardai just issued a statement regarding the alleged intimidation and harassment of truck and fuel truck drivers not involved in the protest. Sounds like a peaceful protest threatening people doing their jobs doesn't it? Will the organisers be condemning this? Likely not. " how about the man that was pulled out of his tractor by the law ,put face down on the ground .poor fellow could have a back injury from it .the law there peaceful ain't they. | |||
"Gardai just issued a statement regarding the alleged intimidation and harassment of truck and fuel truck drivers not involved in the protest. Sounds like a peaceful protest threatening people doing their jobs doesn't it? Will the organisers be condemning this? Likely not. how about the man that was pulled out of his tractor by the law ,put face down on the ground .poor fellow could have a back injury from it .the law there peaceful ain't they." If he wasn't blocking vital fuel supplies he would not have been removed from the tractor | |||
"I am genuinely shocked at some of the comments in regard the protesters fighting for our rights not to be ravaged by this government any longer. Anyone that believes that the farmers truckers the construction workers and anybody else who’s part of it are some kind of backward thinking idiots holding the country to ransom. They’re not holding the country to ransom, they’re trying to stop a tyrannical government that are absolutely out of control with their thinking and their beliefs and taxes. Fact of the matter is, if the farmer can’t afford to grow crops he can’t put food on the shelf. If the trucker can afford to put fuel in his truck he can’t bring the food to the shelf. Like, do you guys get it?? I’ve seen one comment “ when the food goes off the shelf, they won’t have any more support from the people. That’s exactly why they are protesting. Idiots, some of ye, absolute idiots. " The difference is between dissent and disruption. In France this protest would be considered 'Tuesday', but they are better at it. The unions give notice and when the national rail network shuts down it has the public support in spite of the inconvenience. The wildcat blockades happening in Ireland is all at once not going far enough on a national level, and going too far in the way it negatively affects the grass roots. I'd love to see the entire country galvanized behind this (remember Irish water?) but the fact that it isn't is telling. Our nations leaders and the so called leaders of the blockades are to blame for that. They all suck great big donkey balls at basic communication. | |||
"Gardai just issued a statement regarding the alleged intimidation and harassment of truck and fuel truck drivers not involved in the protest. Sounds like a peaceful protest threatening people doing their jobs doesn't it? Will the organisers be condemning this? Likely not. how about the man that was pulled out of his tractor by the law ,put face down on the ground .poor fellow could have a back injury from it .the law there peaceful ain't they." What about him? They were asked to move as they were blocking vital infrastructure. They were told this before the Gardai commenced. His own fault along with the rest of them. Don't play whataboutry. Will get you nowhere. | |||
"Gardai just issued a statement regarding the alleged intimidation and harassment of truck and fuel truck drivers not involved in the protest. Sounds like a peaceful protest threatening people doing their jobs doesn't it? Will the organisers be condemning this? Likely not. how about the man that was pulled out of his tractor by the law ,put face down on the ground .poor fellow could have a back injury from it .the law there peaceful ain't they. If he wasn't blocking vital fuel supplies he would not have been removed from the tractor " blocking supplies on the side of a road . Didn't see any supplies, only a supply of men pulling a man from a cab | |||
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"Hank- you’re actually wasting your energy- these are people that probably believes that the bogs should have been shut down, that our peat power stations we’re dirty and we should give away all of our oil & gas. To import bricketts from Germany, oil from Norway All for extortionate prices… you’re wasting your time! " ..... Peat is probably the single most inefficient fuel for use in electricity generation . Historically, peat contributed over 20% of our energy generation related carbon emissions and only 5% of total electricity generated. Perhaps the lads currently manning the blockades could get involved in growing, harvesting and transporting biomass to substitute the imported biomass currently supplementing the locally sourced material used to fuel the former peat electricity generation plant that was converted to biomass. More efficiency, import substitution, reduced sea miles bringing plant material from Brazil and lots of work for the Deere Johns and Mossie Fergusons currently parked up on O'Connell St. The agri industry might also consider investing in biogas production to help in reducing the country's reliance on imported fossil fuels. Some lateral thinking, for the overall good of the nation, rather than a blinkered self-interest, approach might provide an alternative and more profitable use of some marginal land and better use of the trucks and tractors currently bogged down obstructing the national road network and blocking access to oil storage facilities. | |||
"Hank- you’re actually wasting your energy- these are people that probably believes that the bogs should have been shut down, that our peat power stations we’re dirty and we should give away all of our oil & gas. To import bricketts from Germany, oil from Norway All for extortionate prices… you’re wasting your time! I saying no more on it now,I'm not educated enough to spell it out correctly lol. But yes the gave away everything, bord na mona I could write a book on them if I was educated 😆. And it be a number one seller ha ha" ..... A person should never feel the need to put themselves down because of any comparable lack of formal education. Neither should it be necessary for anyone to apologise for the level of academic achievement they have worked hard to attain. Everyone is equal if they are making a genuine effort to contribute to society to the best of their ability. Formal education is not necessarily a requirement for people to ensure that they are well informed and do not blindly follow those seeking to mislead others for the purpose of self promotion. | |||
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"O connell street has been cleared along with a number of blockades along the M50you happy now ." I am yeah because while I agree with the aim the methods weren't right at all especially when the far right are inserting themselves into for their own gain. | |||
"O connell street has been cleared along with a number of blockades along the M50you happy now ." Look on the bright side, the protests will get thirty seconds on Reeling in the Years in years to come. | |||
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"Hopefully the government get off their arses and actually make an announcement today ..this morning if possible to knock any reaction back from the protestors before it restarts Glad it ended peacefully instead of the agitators getting their way and causing confrontation against the Gardai doing their job " Fully agree It was only a matter of time before agitators turned the protests violent and property was destroyed . | |||
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"Majority of the protesters are peaceful hard working people,who not alone the government refused to meet but tried to discredit them by saying there were outside influences, namely far right ,in any crowd there's obviously going to be a % of nutters,by the government meeting today and changing their position, shows how badly handled this crisis has been managed,along with a lot of other government failures " You might have a point only the people leading the protests, and speaking on behalf of the protesters, were shown to have far right views. They were shown to have extremely unsavoury attitudes towards women. Their attitude towards immigrants would be viewed by most as far right. There was also the ultimate irony of a tax dodger looking for a reduction in taxes. It was like a Temu January 6th. | |||
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"Majority of the protesters are peaceful hard working people,who not alone the government refused to meet but tried to discredit them by saying there were outside influences, namely far right ,in any crowd there's obviously going to be a % of nutters,by the government meeting today and changing their position, shows how badly handled this crisis has been managed,along with a lot of other government failures " They aren't doing themselves any favours by letting the likes of duffy speak for them or letting dee wall screech into a microphone. | |||
"Majority of the protesters are peaceful hard working people,who not alone the government refused to meet but tried to discredit them by saying there were outside influences, namely far right ,in any crowd there's obviously going to be a % of nutters,by the government meeting today and changing their position, shows how badly handled this crisis has been managed,along with a lot of other government failures They aren't doing themselves any favours by letting the likes of duffy speak for them or letting dee wall screech into a microphone. " Hadn't heard Dee's voice in ages and up she screeches | |||
"As many said here, the problem is all the right wingers Tommy Robinson types quick to bring in the immigrant angle. The problem is the rich over subsidised, large landlord owners sitting on their 100k+ vehicles sabotaging the country, the Irish people, and government. They’re traitors. And they managed to drag in people who are not that (I’m not saying all protesters are right wingers, anti immigration, MAGA like people - just to be clear). They should blockade every single Israeli and American business from operating in the country. They should be blockading doonbeg. They should blockade Shannon airport, stop every single American military plane that jeopardises Irish neutrality and Irish sovereignty. But they don’t have the balls, and I’m afraid there must be a hidden agenda to push a MAGA like movement here. Yellow vest 2.0." Blockading business mainly effects the lower paid employees more than the bosses as those on lower pay are trying to survive on week by week pay cheque. Blockading tye airport again hurts tye normal person who saved all year to go on holidays and then its all gone with no refund because they can't access the airport. Blockades hurt the normal upright citizen more than anyone else. | |||
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"They protesters fell down on communication and the speakers that they appointed to deliver their grievances,which were genuine,they would have no experience in it,as opposed to the government especially Micheal Martin who has 40 years experience who was a disaster,along with Harris and the justice minister " I think the point people were trying to make was that some self appointed spokes people hijacked the platform to push their own unrelated agendas. It has nothing to do with their experience. Many people support protest but won't support the racists biggots that are trying to front them. | |||
"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets" Absolutely | |||
"We had a sugerbeet industry employed farmers hauliers workers alike for years Would have been perfect for biomass but it was closed down by the government and Europe " It was the sugar company that chose to close the factories Then grerncore bought them and closed the last one I mallow because it only made around 2.5 million profit a year they said it wasn't worth the hassle keeping iy open . | |||
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"We had a sugerbeet industry employed farmers hauliers workers alike for years Would have been perfect for biomass but it was closed down by the government and Europe It was the sugar company that chose to close the factories Then grerncore bought them and closed the last one I mallow because it only made around 2.5 million profit a year they said it wasn't worth the hassle keeping iy open . " The closure of the beet factories was based on out of date data and the fact that the land they were built on were worth a lot more when rezoned for housing. It was pure greed with idiot politicans that allowed them to close. The gov. could of kept a small production operation going but chose not to. Let's not forget, thst a certain gov. minister's brother was also the top man in greencore irl at the time! | |||
"We had a sugerbeet industry employed farmers hauliers workers alike for years Would have been perfect for biomass but it was closed down by the government and Europe " .... The decision to close Carlow and Mallow sugar beet processing plants was made in error by the Department of Agricultural who used out of date data to provide figures to the EU. This was a serious administrative error and a clearly identifiable case of bad government and one which I am more than happy to call out when there is factual evidence available to prove what happened. But it is still possible to create a biomass industry which would be a welcome addition to the agri, forestry and road haulage sectors. But I wonder will those who were out protesting last week be as quick to come out in support of a biomass plant being built in their area.....??? | |||
"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets Absolutely" ..... One person's highlighting of the facts is another person's arrogance and condensation. | |||
"We had a sugerbeet industry employed farmers hauliers workers alike for years Would have been perfect for biomass but it was closed down by the government and Europe It was the sugar company that chose to close the factories Then grerncore bought them and closed the last one I mallow because it only made around 2.5 million profit a year they said it wasn't worth the hassle keeping iy open . The closure of the beet factories was based on out of date data and the fact that the land they were built on were worth a lot more when rezoned for housing. It was pure greed with idiot politicans that allowed them to close. The gov. could of kept a small production operation going but chose not to. Let's not forget, thst a certain gov. minister's brother was also the top man in greencore irl at the time! " ..... ""Let's not forget, that a certain gov. minister's brother was also the top man in greencore irl at the time!"" To be fair, a Mr Dilger was CEO of Greencore at the time when the sugar plants were closed and I don't believe he had a brother who was a government minister. | |||
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"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets Absolutely ..... One person's highlighting of the facts is another person's arrogance and condensation. " Arrogance is Arrogance whatever way you wish to paint it. Does your detailed knowledge come from sitting behind a desk in a safe office and your pension come from those of us who continue to pay for the bail-out your ilk asked for | |||
"I probably have a more detailed knowledge of milk production, storage, transportation and processing than most people on here, including farmers, and I hope my comments accurately reflect that and are not just misinformed rhetoric. I had to check to see if Mehole Martin posted this. IMO this is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts that I have ever seen on the forums and shows a total lack of understanding or empathy as to what has brought the demonstrators to the streets Absolutely ..... One person's highlighting of the facts is another person's arrogance and condensation. Arrogance is Arrogance whatever way you wish to paint it. Does your detailed knowledge come from sitting behind a desk in a safe office and your pension come from those of us who continue to pay for the bail-out your ilk asked for " .... I cannot prevent those who haven't taken the time to fully inform themselves on a particular subject from labelling me as arrogant when I mearly state facts that they were unaware of. The alternative would be for me to risk being called ignorant by blindly agreeing with inaccurate and misleading statements, something which others on here seem quite happy to do on a regular basis. As it happens my knowledge comes from both hands-on experience and from limited desk based study. I have been lucky enough in life to have worked in the agri, haulage, plant hire and food processing industries, at all levels from farm labourer, truck driver, plant operator, factory worker, and engineering manager. A small part of my working life was necessarily desk based but the vast majority of it was very much, and quite literally, hands-on in-the-field. My pension entitlement comes through having paid my taxes, social welfare and levy contributions, as payee worker throughout my woking life. I paid towards previous generations pensions in the same way as those currently paying tax and social welfare contributions will have their entitlements funded by future tax payers. The 2008 bank bail-out,triggered by a global banking failure, resulted for me, like many others, in the loss of my job in the construction sector. I survived for 2 years on a €66/week dole payment and by using up a lifetimes savings to pay a mortgage, college fees and day-to-day living expenses. If that makes me part of some kind of "ilk" then I guess I'm a fully paid up member of whatever is meant by "your ilk". It always saddens me when people on here jump to conclusions and throw out all sorts of spurious populist nonsense, unfounded claims or worse still delibrate misinformation instead of taking time to establish the facts in order to make worthwhile contributions to various debates. People are certainly entitled to state their opinion but should make sure it is well informed. Rather than be accused of being long-winded and hogging a thread while attempting to defend myself I will move on to something less likely to attract personal attack. Have you heard about the guy researching all the cultural dances of the world? Check out the Silly Jokes thread for that and some other good laughs. Now we're suckin diesel! | |||
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"Does your detailed knowledge come from sitting behind a desk in a safe office and your pension come from those of us who continue to pay for the bail-out your ilk asked for Thats terrible .....your ilk is a horrible thing to say about anyone especially since the bail out was down to the bankers and the government The oil price crisis is down to a deranged fucker in the white house and there's fuck all anyone here can do about it " ..... Much appreciated Mr B. (Just to confirm the two B's have never met, probably never will and have had opposing views on here on occasion but have always managed to refrained from trading personal insults). On a lighter note..... Perhaps they will dye the rebated diesel orange insted of green to remind people who actually caused the problem.... 🟢⛽️🟠 | |||
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"Does your detailed knowledge come from sitting behind a desk in a safe office and your pension come from those of us who continue to pay for the bail-out your ilk asked for Thats terrible .....your ilk is a horrible thing to say about anyone especially since the bail out was down to the bankers and the government The oil price crisis is down to a deranged fucker in the white house and there's fuck all anyone here can do about it ..... Much appreciated Mr B. (Just to confirm the two B's have never met, probably never will and have had opposing views on here on occasion but have always managed to refrained from trading personal insults). On a lighter note..... Perhaps they will dye the rebated diesel orange insted of green to remind people who actually caused the problem.... 🟢⛽️🟠" ..... *refrain from... *instead of... Now that may be a tad pedantic but hopefully it illustrates a willingness to admit to and where possible correct mistakes. Always human, humble and hopefully a little bit humorous. 😇 | |||
"Does your detailed knowledge come from sitting behind a desk in a safe office and your pension come from those of us who continue to pay for the bail-out your ilk asked for Thats terrible .....your ilk is a horrible thing to say about anyone especially since the bail out was down to the bankers and the government The oil price crisis is down to a deranged fucker in the white house and there's fuck all anyone here can do about it ..... Much appreciated Mr B. (Just to confirm the two B's have never met, probably never will and have had opposing views on here on occasion but have always managed to refrained from trading personal insults). On a lighter note..... Perhaps they will dye the rebated diesel orange insted of green to remind people who actually caused the problem.... Hey badger Farmer here & i have met you, and you were a gentleman on the evening, but you are spouting rubbish, i could go into the ifs, whys, wheres, what ifs, id be only wearing down my fingerprint, it boils down to this, it took a few farmers to put their neck on the line & quickly followed by other private guys, hauliers, bus companies, private taxi guys & bear in mind that farmers are private businesses also, that are doing their utmost to keep bread on their own particular tables, they speak truth and its gobshites like you that for some reason got to lead this country, and its gobshites like you will make this country fail. When you see the turnout from ordinary working people that used their day off yesterday (sunday) to join in with their support, it speaks volumes 🟢⛽️🟠" | |||
