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"The scientists will have s hard time proving their "big bang theory". I dont believe in it." Have "a". | |||
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"The scientists will have s hard time proving their "big bang theory". I dont believe in it." But an invisible sky fairy is more believable? | |||
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"As Richard Feynman said when asked about God in reference to the Earth , consider the restof the universe too. It’s not in proportion." What about the multiverse ? | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! " You are correct. In the future mathematics will evolve and problems that don't currently have answers will be solved. There's plenty of theories about at the moment some more feasible than others. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! " Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too | |||
"As Richard Feynman said when asked about God in reference to the Earth , consider the restof the universe too. It’s not in proportion. What about the multiverse ?" Even more not in proportion | |||
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"Asked my dog about the strawberries and bananas and she said it's a very grey area to her..... God i'm funny. ... Slump!" Too funny
Did your dog say your blue rinse is greyish too | |||
"The scientists will have s hard time proving their "big bang theory". I dont believe in it." Not as hard a time as someone has proving a god exists | |||
"The biggest failure of the creation theory is this… If the universe is too complicated to have sprung into being without there being some higher power who created it…. Where the hell did he come from?" he ? Everyone knows it's genderless  | |||
"Asked my dog about the strawberries and bananas and she said it's a very grey area to her..... God i'm funny. ... Slump! Too funny
Did your dog say your blue rinse is greyish too "No. She knows who can open the chum cupboard. P.S. I don't have a dog. So .. don't ask me to recommend a vet or food or holiday | |||
"Asked my dog about the strawberries and bananas and she said it's a very grey area to her..... God i'm funny. ... Slump! Too funny
Did your dog say your blue rinse is greyish too
No. She knows who can open the chum cupboard.
P.S. I don't have a dog. So .. don't ask me to recommend a vet or food or holiday "Bingo hall? | |||
"Asked my dog about the strawberries and bananas and she said it's a very grey area to her..... God i'm funny. ... Slump! Too funny
Did your dog say your blue rinse is greyish too
No. She knows who can open the chum cupboard.
P.S. I don't have a dog. So .. don't ask me to recommend a vet or food or holiday
Bingo hall?"Clearly you'd have more of an idea than me. I've never been into one. In fact - I don't know anyone who has ..... enjoy. | |||
"Asked my dog about the strawberries and bananas and she said it's a very grey area to her..... God i'm funny. ... Slump! Too funny
Did your dog say your blue rinse is greyish too
No. She knows who can open the chum cupboard.
P.S. I don't have a dog. So .. don't ask me to recommend a vet or food or holiday
Bingo hall?
Clearly you'd have more of an idea than me. I've never been into one. In fact - I don't know anyone who has ..... enjoy. "I was only joking with you | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too" So science is god then | |||
"I gathered. " | |||
"If you have an explosion big enough, then by the laws of probability, some of the dust will coagulate in a way that it becomes self aware and create a website where you can fab photos each others genitals. " | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then " Metaphorically - at present. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then Metaphorically - at present. " Solved that one then | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this? "Very thought provoking. Could we ask the name of the programme please? We would love to watch it. Unlike the view of many that it is definitely yes or definitely no, we remain very open-minded. | |||
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"I thought colour was all perception of our brains.. Are bananas really yellow and strawberries really red? "Things are a certain colour because they reflect light at a certain frequency. We happen to have photo receptors sensitive to that frequency. Often this is a coincidence as most plants tune their colours to attract insects that benefit them in some way. Evolution is basically trial and error if it’s done over a long enough period then many possibilities are likely to be tried. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then " I cant trust science as god, back in the day science told us smoking was good, and a plethora of other BS. | |||
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"Everyone has different opinions. The truth is we wont solve the mystery here." And the art is to respect all different opinions rather than argue against them. There is not any concrete evidence for either argument. | |||
"I thought colour was all perception of our brains.. Are bananas really yellow and strawberries really red? "Colour exists and is proven, however people can't describe colour. We teach children to recognise colour, grass is green, banana is yellow a strawberry is red. We do not know the child is seeing the same colour as we see it but we are teaching them to associate whatever colour they see to the name of a colour. In short we could all be seeing different colours for red, but whatever colour you are seeing you will call it red. Colour is brain bending  | |||
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"The scientists will have s hard time proving their "big bang theory". I dont believe in it." Science, unlike faith, is constantly evolving. What is believed one day is challenged and changed in the light of new findings and the new is then embraced by science. If there is a creator and a vast eternal plan then the creator is a very sadistic entity indeed when you see what has been inflicted on all living creatures. But although sad it is a good thing that Stephen Hawkins is dead as your lack of belief in the big bang would have been devastating for him. | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then " No, science is science. God was invented to explain what science can't. Which is why God shrinks with every scientific discovery | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then No, science is science. God was invented to explain what science can't. Which is why God shrinks with every scientific discovery " So if science explains what was previously attributed to god, that makes science the new, better understood, with explanations god. | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then No, science is science. God was invented to explain what science can't. Which is why God shrinks with every scientific discovery So if science explains what was previously attributed to god, that makes science the new, better understood, with explanations god. " No it doesn't. Why invoke a God when we have a better explanation | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then No, science is science. God was invented to explain what science can't. Which is why God shrinks with every scientific discovery So if science explains what was previously attributed to god, that makes science the new, better understood, with explanations god. No it doesn't. Why invoke a God when we have a better explanation " Yes it does. That god was infact science after all. | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! " Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional  | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then No, science is science. God was invented to explain what science can't. Which is why God shrinks with every scientific discovery So if science explains what was previously attributed to god, that makes science the new, better understood, with explanations god. No it doesn't. Why invoke a God when we have a better explanation Yes it does. That god was infact science after all. " But just postulating a God doesn't meant that one ever existed | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional "So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory? Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved? | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional "Some people just need something to believe in ( that's their choice ) like life after death. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?"You're misunderstanding the word theory | |||
"They reckon there was something here before the big bang now, the big bang wasn't the start anymore
Was it the big bang that started fab "The theory of "The Big Bang": In the beginning, there was nothing... which exploded. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?
You're misunderstanding the word theory"So how is it being used here? "a formal statement of the rules on which a subject of study is based or of ideas that are suggested to explain a fact or event or, more generally, an opinion or explanation" That is how we see it. How do you? | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! " Exactly. | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this? "Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said. Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more. If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power. We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance. We now know that through evolution these things can happen | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen"We know that now? Really?? | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?
You're misunderstanding the word theory
So how is it being used here?
"a formal statement of the rules on which a subject of study is based or of ideas that are suggested to explain a fact or event or, more generally, an opinion or explanation"
That is how we see it. How do you?"So you see the word theory as being just an idea. Do you think the theory of gravity is just an idea? Or would you rather the pilot of your plane didn't just switch the engines off? | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??"We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t | |||
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"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this? "Can you say what the program was called, what channel was it on, can you explain exactly what you mean by a ‘slump’,if there’s a higher power, where did the higher power come from, if a higher created all this who created the high power, I look forward to you answering these questions Shag, but I won’t hold my breath ?! | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?"It is impossible to "prove" the validity of the big bang theory, you would need to either witness it or be able to reproduce it to prove it. However, the observations of the universe and mathematical modelling continue to support the theory. In the absence of a better theory, The Big Bang is the most likely explanation so far. Cal | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t "Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we? We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we? | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t
Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we?
We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we?
"Zero evidence for a higher power Plenty of “something” for evolution. Maybe we can’t call it evidence, but we have fossils, dna mapping, we’ve seen evolution in animals alive today. We’ve even taken our hand at using it to model dogs or farm animals into favourable things to use. But it’s zero for god. | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?
It is impossible to "prove" the validity of the big bang theory, you would need to either witness it or be able to reproduce it to prove it.
However, the observations of the universe and mathematical modelling continue to support the theory. In the absence of a better theory, The Big Bang is the most likely explanation so far.
Cal"Thanks Cal. Like we said nothing proved yet. It is an argument that can go on forever, but in the absence of facts why don't we all respect others beliefs rather than trying to ridicule them?? | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t
Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we?
We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we?
Zero evidence for a higher power
Plenty of “something” for evolution. Maybe we can’t call it evidence, but we have fossils, dna mapping, we’ve seen evolution in animals alive today. We’ve even taken our hand at using it to model dogs or farm animals into favourable things to use.
But it’s zero for god."In your opinion. Explain the evidence for evolution? The 'something' that you talk about? | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t
Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we?
We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we?
Zero evidence for a higher power
Plenty of “something” for evolution. Maybe we can’t call it evidence, but we have fossils, dna mapping, we’ve seen evolution in animals alive today. We’ve even taken our hand at using it to model dogs or farm animals into favourable things to use.
But it’s zero for god.
In your opinion.
Explain the evidence for evolution? The 'something' that you talk about?
"Why don’t you give me some evidence for god and then I can just link you to the Wikipedia article for evolution which is going to have an endless amount of rabbit holes you can go down about the subject and endless books written on the subject | |||
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"I believe in evolution, in the sense that our bodies evolved on this planet under various conditions. But I do not believe our consciousness/ soul evolved here, but comes from somewhere else and our earth-developed bodies are merely vessels. Whether there is a creator or higher power that our souls come from, yes I more believe that. I do not believe our inner self has gone by biological chance. I will no doubt sound far out to some, especially sceptics, but I am comfortable in my beliefs. " Although I don’t believe it, I actually like this idea. And I kinda hope it’s true | |||
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"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t
Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we?
We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we?
Zero evidence for a higher power
Plenty of “something” for evolution. Maybe we can’t call it evidence, but we have fossils, dna mapping, we’ve seen evolution in animals alive today. We’ve even taken our hand at using it to model dogs or farm animals into favourable things to use.
But it’s zero for god.
In your opinion.
Explain the evidence for evolution? The 'something' that you talk about?
"With all due respect you appear to be saying that because you don't know about evolution then that means nobody else does I assume you have had the covid vaccine? The only reason we know how to beat viruses is because we know of our kinship with them | |||
"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Absolutely but these people are like conspiracy theorists, delusional
So we have scientific proof now, or scientific theory?
Is it no longer called the Big Bang Theory? Has it been proved?
It is impossible to "prove" the validity of the big bang theory, you would need to either witness it or be able to reproduce it to prove it.
However, the observations of the universe and mathematical modelling continue to support the theory. In the absence of a better theory, The Big Bang is the most likely explanation so far.
Cal
Thanks Cal.
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Like we said nothing proved yet.
It is an argument that can go on forever, but in the absence of facts why don't we all respect others beliefs rather than trying to ridicule them??
"The issue of religion is always difficult, for those who are brought up as believers it is often impossible to entertain the notation that God's are not real. Obviously for those of us who don't believe, it is beyond ridiculous that the concept of God's is still even discussed in this day and age. I personally fall into the second group and have no doubt in my mind that the existence of any sort of higher beings would be very easy to evidence if they were real. On the other hand though, it is totally fine for people to believe whatever it is that they believe. Cal | |||
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"No mention of evolution in the opening post, like everything came into being in its current state, humans have always been around. " Bananas have 5 ridges around it We have 5 fingers It’s the perfect set up to pickup and eat You can’t say that was by accident | |||
"No mention of evolution in the opening post, like everything came into being in its current state, humans have always been around. Bananas have 5 ridges around it We have 5 fingers It’s the perfect set up to pickup and eat You can’t say that was by accident " It’s all making sense now, I’m a believer. | |||
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"No mention of evolution in the opening post, like everything came into being in its current state, humans have always been around. Bananas have 5 ridges around it We have 5 fingers It’s the perfect set up to pickup and eat You can’t say that was by accident " Just like a puddle thinking to itself how perfectly the dip in the ground fits him | |||
"No mention of evolution in the opening post, like everything came into being in its current state, humans have always been around. " That is the creationists view, how the various holy texts sat it happened. Cal | |||
"There is no perfection in life, which to me is the biggest proof of evolution or 'slump' as I'm guessing you're referring to. We need oxygen to survive but it slowly ages and kills us. Our bodies are highly vulnerable to injury and disease, all ensuring there is enough death to allow for evolution to continue. " I personally think that to a large extent, modern medical practices have stopped to evolution of humans. Survival of the fittest has been replaced of "Survival of almost everyone" due to access to medical services. There is no longer any evolutionary advantages from being bigger/stronger/faster etc. Cal | |||
"There is no perfection in life, which to me is the biggest proof of evolution or 'slump' as I'm guessing you're referring to. We need oxygen to survive but it slowly ages and kills us. Our bodies are highly vulnerable to injury and disease, all ensuring there is enough death to allow for evolution to continue. I personally think that to a large extent, modern medical practices have stopped to evolution of humans. Survival of the fittest has been replaced of "Survival of almost everyone" due to access to medical services. There is no longer any evolutionary advantages from being bigger/stronger/faster etc. Cal" You are forgetting about the sexual selection part of evolution. Evolution is all about who can pass on their genes. You don’t need to be bigger or stronger or smarter to do that. | |||
"There is no perfection in life, which to me is the biggest proof of evolution or 'slump' as I'm guessing you're referring to. We need oxygen to survive but it slowly ages and kills us. Our bodies are highly vulnerable to injury and disease, all ensuring there is enough death to allow for evolution to continue. I personally think that to a large extent, modern medical practices have stopped to evolution of humans. Survival of the fittest has been replaced of "Survival of almost everyone" due to access to medical services. There is no longer any evolutionary advantages from being bigger/stronger/faster etc. Cal" If anything I’d say evolution is harming us now. Welfare states allow the dumbest to procreate without risk. Council estate mums having 5 kids with no father present. Back in the day survival of the fittest would have fixed that. There’s now no risk to being sexually irresponsible and financially unstable | |||
"There is no perfection in life, which to me is the biggest proof of evolution or 'slump' as I'm guessing you're referring to. We need oxygen to survive but it slowly ages and kills us. Our bodies are highly vulnerable to injury and disease, all ensuring there is enough death to allow for evolution to continue. I personally think that to a large extent, modern medical practices have stopped to evolution of humans. Survival of the fittest has been replaced of "Survival of almost everyone" due to access to medical services. There is no longer any evolutionary advantages from being bigger/stronger/faster etc. Cal" Yes this is probably true. Although there is still plenty of death, so natural things might be the only evolution now ... Such as immunity against diseases. I'm not just talking about humans though, evolution applies to all living creatures. One of the flaws of humanity (in my opinion) is that we rate ourselves more important than other living things. | |||
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"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved." Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s | |||
"There is no perfection in life, which to me is the biggest proof of evolution or 'slump' as I'm guessing you're referring to. We need oxygen to survive but it slowly ages and kills us. Our bodies are highly vulnerable to injury and disease, all ensuring there is enough death to allow for evolution to continue. I personally think that to a large extent, modern medical practices have stopped to evolution of humans. Survival of the fittest has been replaced of "Survival of almost everyone" due to access to medical services. There is no longer any evolutionary advantages from being bigger/stronger/faster etc. Cal You are forgetting about the sexual selection part of evolution. Evolution is all about who can pass on their genes. You don’t need to be bigger or stronger or smarter to do that. " But there are still no evolutionary advantages to ensure "getting laid", in the animal world that usually works through being the strongest or best fighter and earning the right to impregnate all the females. In people, the females are allowed to choose their own mates and their preferences are infinite. Cal | |||
"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s" Evolution is happening right now. It's all around us. Mostly it's too slow to see because it takes generations for small changes to occur, but you can see it very easily in bacteria and even viruses, they evolve quickly and it's very visible. | |||
"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s Evolution is happening right now. It's all around us. Mostly it's too slow to see because it takes generations for small changes to occur, but you can see it very easily in bacteria and even viruses, they evolve quickly and it's very visible. " The /s at the end means sarcasm. I completely understand that I can’t see it with my own eyes. It’s satire aimed at the creationalists that use that type of reasoning Sorry should have explained better | |||
"No mention of evolution in the opening post, like everything came into being in its current state, humans have always been around. Bananas have 5 ridges around it We have 5 fingers It’s the perfect set up to pickup and eat You can’t say that was by accident " Also it's one of our five a day. | |||
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"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s" There are actually many cases of evolution in our own lifetimes, so yes the evolutionary process has been proven. The argument about bananas though is fairly irrelevant, our fingers don't actually rotate in a way as to allow us to place one digit on each side... so if this was "by design" then it needs updating | |||
"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s There are actually many cases of evolution in our own lifetimes, so yes the evolutionary process has been proven. The argument about bananas though is fairly irrelevant, our fingers don't actually rotate in a way as to allow us to place one digit on each side... so if this was "by design" then it needs updating "See my comment above about what /s means I forget this isn’t Reddit | |||
"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s There are actually many cases of evolution in our own lifetimes, so yes the evolutionary process has been proven. The argument about bananas though is fairly irrelevant, our fingers don't actually rotate in a way as to allow us to place one digit on each side... so if this was "by design" then it needs updating
See my comment above about what /s means
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! Indeed. The God of the gaps is really all that's left. What science cant explain yet is always attributed to God. Until science fills that gap too So science is god then I cant trust science as god, back in the day science told us smoking was good, and a plethora of other BS." Obviously scientific evidence can and does change. It will also be used by some people to justify their own ends, however loosely or closely they adhere to it. The tobacco industry, like other discredited bodies, employed people to sow doubt and confusion amongst the public as well as governments, to enable them to continue their profit making. Governments used the same tactics too sometimes - but it doesn't devalue the scientific process, which remains as robust as ever, merely the vested interests that employed the illusion of scientific evidence backing their message and demands. | |||
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"The thing is that a lot of these programs are subjective. The program makers have a view they wish to present and then interview people who support that view and as such is not an unbiased presentation of facts. Evolution has been proved. Hmm… I’ve never seen evolution happen with my own eyes, so how can it be proved? Plus, look at my banana example. 5 ridges, 5 fingers, that can’t be by accident. /s There are actually many cases of evolution in our own lifetimes, so yes the evolutionary process has been proven. The argument about bananas though is fairly irrelevant, our fingers don't actually rotate in a way as to allow us to place one digit on each side... so if this was "by design" then it needs updating
See my comment above about what /s means
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"I recommend the book "Climbing Mount Improbable" by Richard Dawkins for an excellent explanation of how complexity in nature can arise through simple physical and biological processes. [Note that this does imply any endorsement of Dawkins latter day views, he was a good scientist who more recently seems to have become somewhat insufferable, mysogynistic and transphobic.] The emergence of consciousness is a more complex question for which there currently seem to be no definitive answers, but there has been some interesting speculation and tendrils of ideas around the subject. The works of Douglas Hofstadter and Daniel Dennett are well worth a read. The big bang theory gives the current best fit to cosmological evidence and particle physics knowledge. There is ongoing refinement of and conflicting ideas from different physicists about specific details of the theory. This does not imply any disagreement about the fundamental concept of the big bang, more that discerning the exact details of the first few microseconds of the bang and what if anything happened "before" the bang is still a work in progress. ("before" in quotes as there is strong reason to believe that the whole concept of time becomes invalid when trying to probe beyond the start of the bang)." | |||
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"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! " I would not say that the Big Bang Theory is wrong. It is incomplete, and there are conflicting ideas about how it could be refined. But as per your point 4, the overall concept of the BBT has stood every test against it from the 1960's onwards (in fact I think it was back in the late 40's that Fred Hoyle mockingly came up with the name while promoting his alternative Continuous Creation theory). I suspect that we are in fact in very broad agreement about the BBT, merely emphasising details in different ways. | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this?
Can you elaborate on the part where you said “the more we know about the universe the more it points towards a higher power” or whatever it is you said.
Because I’d argue the opposite. The idea of a higher power due to the complexities of life is an old religious belief, it’s not something we develop as we understand more.
If anything the more we learn, the more we think there isn’t a higher power.
We used to think god created man and animals because nothing so perfect could be made by chance.
We now know that through evolution these things can happen
We know that now? Really??
We know it far more than we know anything about a higher power, so I’m questioning why as we learn more, OP thinks it points towards a higher power. It clearly doesn’t
Without trying to appear argumentative, we don't really know anything either way do we?
We are not trying to lean either way, but we still do not know anymore facts do we?
Zero evidence for a higher power
Plenty of “something” for evolution. Maybe we can’t call it evidence, but we have fossils, dna mapping, we’ve seen evolution in animals alive today. We’ve even taken our hand at using it to model dogs or farm animals into favourable things to use.
But it’s zero for god.
In your opinion.
Explain the evidence for evolution? The 'something' that you talk about?
Why don’t you give me some evidence for god and then I can just link you to the Wikipedia article for evolution which is going to have an endless amount of rabbit holes you can go down about the subject and endless books written on the subject "Hate to piss on your flames. Rabbit holes are not facts, Theories are not facts. The facts are that there is no evidence of your argument or ours, so why on go on about it? | |||
"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! " Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you? | |||
"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you?" We share a common ancestor | |||
"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you? We share a common ancestor" Doesnt all life on earth? | |||
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"For those who are also sceptical about life after death which judging by some of the comments here is a good guess, I think we can at least agree that humans are energy. When we die, that energy does not die, it lives on and maybe in a different form "Complete bollocks! Humans are made of matter, not energy. Sure, we make electrical, heat and mechanical energy, but stop doing so when we die. The various energies then dissipate into the environment, just like the heat from a boiled kettle. These energies aren’t “alive” by any definition of the word, and to say they “live on” is utter nonsense. When we die, our brains and all stored memories still remain as material chemical constructs, and are “resurrected” routinely in hospitals around the world. A person in a deep induced coma, is very nearly dead. Almost all electrochemical activity has ceased. Very little energy of any type is being created or used. The brain stops most communications within itself, and with most of the rest of the body. No memories are being created, organised, or recalled. The body lies still. The person would have been declared “dead” a hundred years ago. Then, hospital staff click a few switches, and, hey presto! All life returns. Memories and personality are intact. Muscles function as usual. Most of the time, most of a person’s brain is “dead”. There is no electrochemical activity present – just the material constructs that, all together, are our memories, personalities, etc. There is no volume of our brains that in any way represent our personality, soul or id. It’s all in the various ways that the whole shebang is wired-up. This wiring is by a very long way the most complicated system in the known universe, and remains intact in the absence of energy, which, for most of the time, is most of it. When you’re dead, mate, you’re DEAD. The end! | |||
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"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you? We share a common ancestor Doesnt all life on earth?" Yes, but we're like, cousins to monkeys in the grand billions of years scheme | |||
"I watched a very interesting program about it, the more knowledge we get from the universe the stronger becomes the hypotheses that there is a creator of a higher power. That is the best explanation of why we exist, the thought that the universe have appeared by slump is very slim. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? Why are there yellow bananas and red strawberries, there are more examples to this, is this all a slump? Or is there a creator that are behind all this? "Ah! The old "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" debate... Or rather the sperm or the egg...??? Guess we'll never really know.  Just one of lifes' big mysteries.
I just know I'm here because of my parents', and they had me because of theirs and so on.
Whatever the story that brought us all here, we should all live like today is gonna be our last and never, never say "I'm bored" because for somebody, somewhere, they may be breathing their last.
Eat the cake, drink the beer, f**k the hottie, suck the joy out of every single moment.
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"You know what always cracks me up? I have never wanted or had any inclination to try to convince anyone that God exists, if someone doesn't believe I really couldn't care less. But people who don't believe, they see it their job to convince people like me that their way is the only way. That to me stinks of insecurity. Just saying." How many people murdered other people today because they were “unbelievers” in some esoteric religious fantasy? How many scientists murdered other people today because they were “unbelievers” in some esoteric scientific theory? Does the difference the two numbers crack you up? Is trying peacefully to convince people like you of your stupidity “stink of insecurity”, or does it maybe demonstrate a desire to stop the widespread religious insanity? If you’re a Proddy, you’d care a bit more when a Catholic knife was stuck in your back! Just saying, like. | |||
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"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you? We share a common ancestor Doesnt all life on earth? Yes, but we're like, cousins to monkeys in the grand billions of years scheme" pretty sure i see a documentary saying we share 85% na with bananas, | |||
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"If you believe in quantum physics we are mere holographic images of what exists on the outer reaches of the universe We are just a speck of dust floating in an infinitesimal sea of matter "Quantum physics tells me I am a region of space with certain properties. | |||
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"Actually the more scientific knowledge we gain the less likely a creator becomes! " Coincidentally I just fabbed a couple of your pics, and now I look at this thread and see this comment from you which I'd also like to fab | |||
"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you?" Not that we evolved from monkeys specifically, no. However at some stage the various types of primate all shared some common ancestor, which species is very unlikely to still be around. Further back the primates ancestor shared some more distant common ancestor with say the feline species. Further back still there would be some point of divergence of mammals and avian species. Further back etc, until some type of primordial sludge that is ancestor to all live on Earth. Where did the primordial sludge come from? Fairly simple chemistry experiments show that water + primordial type atmosphere (methane, nitrogen, carbon dioxide etc) + big electric sparks (lightning) will produce amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The step from there to anything resembling life has not been recreated in the lab, but given enough oceans full of protein soup and enough time, it only takes one accidental combination into a self reproducing molecule (some kind of precursor to RNA/DNA) and zing! Life becomes inevitable. | |||
"'higher power' is a human construct.. I dont think the universe can't be arsed with that. Although, I like the idea that my existence may be just an elaborate game or idea or even a mistake. It saves me from troubling over the meaning! I love not knowing. The great mystery. " Or, "ooh, science doesn't know everything! Science knows it doesn't know everything - otherwise, it'd stop" Dara O'Briain | |||
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"Blimey my mate Brian was right, the secrets of the universe and why we are here are being uncovered on a swinging site forum. He doesn't want me to mention his last name, he thinks you will assume it is a wind up, being a swingers site you wouldn't take hime seriously, so it is just Brian (for now). Rest assured budding philosophers, quantum mechanics (ps if you are, do you know how to fold up a decathlon kayak so it goes back in the bag?) relatively junkies and flat earthers he is watching and learning. Perpetual motion rocks and things can only get better, Brian. "Of course the secrets of the universe get discussed on a swinging site forum! Why else would any of us be here? | |||
"Blimey my mate Brian was right, the secrets of the universe and why we are here are being uncovered on a swinging site forum. He doesn't want me to mention his last name, he thinks you will assume it is a wind up, being a swingers site you wouldn't take hime seriously, so it is just Brian (for now). Rest assured budding philosophers, quantum mechanics (ps if you are, do you know how to fold up a decathlon kayak so it goes back in the bag?) relatively junkies and flat earthers he is watching and learning. Perpetual motion rocks and things can only get better, Brian.
Of course the secrets of the universe get discussed on a swinging site forum! Why else would any of us be here? "Don't start asking difficult questions | |||
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"Blimey my mate Brian was right, the secrets of the universe and why we are here are being uncovered on a swinging site forum. He doesn't want me to mention his last name, he thinks you will assume it is a wind up, being a swingers site you wouldn't take hime seriously, so it is just Brian (for now). Rest assured budding philosophers, quantum mechanics (ps if you are, do you know how to fold up a decathlon kayak so it goes back in the bag?) relatively junkies and flat earthers he is watching and learning. Perpetual motion rocks and things can only get better, Brian.
Of course the secrets of the universe get discussed on a swinging site forum! Why else would any of us be here?
Don't start asking difficult questions "Nothing like uncovering the secrets of the universe and life inbetween the sea of tits and penises, it beats smoking a ciggie | |||
"The thing is what created the creator? Why did it exist for an eternity then think “ mmm I need a cosmos?” Thing is as far as we know, we’re the only things mapping the universe. Would it exist if nothing was there to observe it? It has a beginning we can see and by prediction a very slow and dismal burn out." This is the perfect answer to "this complexity can't just happe, it needs a creator". By supposing a creator, you have added an extra layer of complexity and so not answered your own questions. Take the following convo, Where did all this come from? It was created Where did the creator come from? The middle statement simply shifts the question one step on. Having a creator causes all kinds of new difficulties (why did they create the universe, how did they create it, what is their plan etc etc) yet it gives no answers. Occams razor says to take the simplest explanation so I give higher credence to explanations that don't involve a hypothetical invisible being. Mr | |||
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"Why do we exist? Was it by a slump or by a higher power? 1. To the best of our current knowledge, we don’t exist for any reason. We evolved by accident, and were not manufactured by any “higher power”, either directly or indirectly. 2. The Big Bang theory is WRONG. BIG TIME. It fails to provide adequate explanations for: The absence of most of the anti-mater which was created at the same time as the matter - about 100% of the universe Dark energy - about 73% of the universe Dark matter - about 23% of the universe The horizon problem - the lack of “lumpiness” or clumping in the universe The flatness problem - the universe’s energy density shouldn’t still be “flat” The extreme weakness of gravity And much more. 3. Scientists are very, very well aware of all this, and billions of pounds are being spent on attempts to find solutions to these problems. 4. However, the Big Bang theory DOES do a very good job of explaining the observable universe and the way in which if functions. A very large number of its postulates have been proven to be correct without any possible doubt. 5. I find it astonishing that educated people will readily believe even the most outlandish fantasies rather then simply admitting that they don’t know. 6. The Covid-19 virus is evolving rapidly, the Chinese Sinovac vaccine gives far less protection against the Delta virus than the original one. But people STILL don’t believe in evolution! Evolution is real, but i dont believe we evolved from monkeys, do you?" You presumably think that humans and monkeys have evolved from earlier species though - you're just not certain about the specifics? Humans today include many of us, especially those with Caucasian European ancestry, who have a mixture of Neanderthal and Homo sapiens DNA - we're hybrids, though had evolves from an earlier common ancestor, as well as interbreeding with other human species. It seems reasonable clear from the current evidence that the various humans and apes evolved from shared ancestors, rather than humans trickling down from a cricket etc, whilst apes came from the earlier ancestor of apes, for example. With enough time, sufficient mutations occur, to enable the mutations to better fit the world as it had also changed. Most of the earlier, less suited to the newer world environment, became dead ends and became extinct. That evolutionary principles have been shown to exist and to explain how forms of life have managed to develop, to be sufficiently well suited to the world as it progressively came to be, is enough for me to accept that we're just another form of life here. The evolution of the universe seems no less explicable than evolution of earth and the life on it, everything has just been changing from the very start of it. There doesn't seem to be any need for anything other than the very physical processes that have existed, to get this to happen, no need for some thing that has special magical powers. The universe and ourselves, are just aspects of the mundane, yet wondrous to us, progression of an enormous system of energy and matter. It's all been a succession of experience that just needed space and time | |||
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