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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?"
Its still their problem
Everyone laughs at jokes until it offends them, then suddenly it’s not allowed.
If you don’t find it funny and are offended feel free to leave. Free speech and all that |
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Got free tickets to see a well known actor/comedian a few years ago and went along despite never being a fan.
I can honestly say i didn't laugh at all. He told a joke about dead babies and a couple who had just lost a child got up and left. At least a quarter of the audience didn't return after the interval. |
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By *nly4funMan
over a year ago
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?"
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hate it when comedians target people who are weak, vulnerable or powerless. Laughing AT people in desperate situations is horrible.
I prefer comedians who punch upwards. "
Yep, if you have to resort to poking fun at the vulnerable/weak etc, you’re probably not that funny anyway. Relying on the shock factor instead. |
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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago
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"I hate it when comedians target people who are weak, vulnerable or powerless. Laughing AT people in desperate situations is horrible.
I prefer comedians who punch upwards. "
Same for me, I much prefer observational humour that’s about situations not people |
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!!"
But then you get branded a snowflake who is against free speach   like its the most offensive thing you can be called  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!!
But then you get branded a snowflake who is against free speach like its the most offensive thing you can be called "
Then you still have the choice to disagree,ignore it and walk away not letting it bither you |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nothing offends me i dont get the younger generation having to be upset for everyone else as well as themselves man up.
At work if im not called a retard fat grey old bastard before i have clocked in i would worry |
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!!
But then you get branded a snowflake who is against free speach like its the most offensive thing you can be called
Then you still have the choice to disagree,ignore it and walk away not letting it bither you"
My point was that even those defending people for being offensive gets upset and name call when someone exercises their freedom of speech to call them out on it. They are offended that people are offended |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!!
But then you get branded a snowflake who is against free speach like its the most offensive thing you can be called
Then you still have the choice to disagree,ignore it and walk away not letting it bither you
My point was that even those defending people for being offensive gets upset and name call when someone exercises their freedom of speech to call them out on it. They are offended that people are offended "
I agree,it’s the same both ways.people do get upset when others get offended easy just like there are many that get offended on behalf of others.just the way it is so dont let it bother you |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The right to be offended vs. the right to not be offended.
The right to not be offended vs. freedom of speech.
But where do you define the limits of freedom of speech? And freedom of speech doesn't come without consequences. If you set-out to say something offensive then you should understand the possible consequences of what you are saying.
But just because X number of people find something offensive should it be stopped or banned?
The right to freedom of speech and the right to not be offended are in constant tension with one another. There is no 'right' answer as the boundaries for different generations shift over time.
What was acceotable 50 years ago is no longer acceptable but in another 50 years could be acceptable again.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Too much insincere Leftist smugness"
1. So its only 'left wing' people who are offended by racism, deliberate nastyness, spite and hate in 'jokes'?
2. You seem to be saying that hate, racism etc dont exist - they are actually a manifestation of 'insincere smugness' in the listener.
Really?
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"I hate it when comedians target people who are weak, vulnerable or powerless. Laughing AT people in desperate situations is horrible.
I prefer comedians who punch upwards.
Same for me, I much prefer observational humour that’s about situations not people "
Situations about what ? There's only people.
Find me a joke that doesn't have a victim/ a focus ..... I can't think of one. |
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Case in point... Jimmy Carr does not laugh at people. A joke may be about a disabled person etc but he does not poke fun at them but rather at the ludicrousness of life and ironic circumstances.
His work as is the work of other comedians inclusive.... not exclusive as some 'do gooders' would insist upon .....
Do gooders like to pretend that races, disabilities and genders do not exist in our world, which is why they continually strive to paint it beige and render it bland.
Good comedians are social commentators they are not Rod Freddy and Jane dressed up nicely to make the kids giggle. They are political to their core. |
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"Case in point... Jimmy Carr does not laugh at people. A joke may be about a disabled person etc but he does not poke fun at them but rather at the ludicrousness of life and ironic circumstances.
His work as is the work of other comedians inclusive.... not exclusive as some 'do gooders' would insist upon .....
Do gooders like to pretend that races, disabilities and genders do not exist in our world, which is why they continually strive to paint it beige and render it bland.
Good comedians are social commentators they are not Rod Freddy and Jane dressed up nicely to make the kids giggle. They are political to their core. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally, I find that comedians are commentators of what is happening around the world, or in society. Humour can and certainly does help people through hardships and bad times. A good comedian certainly doesn't go out of their way to offend, and I don't believe they target individuals/groups that are weak. If someone is offended by a joke, or even offended on behalf of others, would be best in my eyes to take a step back and ask themselves why, said people weren't the focus or subject of the joke or pun.
Maybe we'll all be better of speaking duckspeak in the end. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Humour does help people and can give an insight into life.
I am astonished though by the comments that say if you are offended, its your own fault....that you are too sensitive / politically correct or that any humour is commentary. Ive no doubt that we can all be over sensitive at times but to have such a catch all generalisation is unhelpful.
There can be racism and hate in 'jokes'. Lots of bullying uses 'humour' as a vehicle. How many of us saw, heard, read about racism dressed as humour after the World Cup penalty shoot out? How many of us have seen or been on the receiving end of spite or cruelty dressed in humour in the workplace or playground. How many of our kids have been exposed to this? Just because it makes people laugh, dosnt mean its not hateful or bullying. |
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Offence cannot be given. Offence can only be taken. Offence belongs with the taker. They own it. And I would say they are welcome to it.
The streets are lined with people waiting to take offence these days. Having nothinbg else to do to fill their empty time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Offence cannot be given. Offence can only be taken. Offence belongs with the taker. They own it. And I would say they are welcome to it.
The streets are lined with people waiting to take offence these days. Having nothinbg else to do to fill their empty time."
Your argument is illogical. You seem to be arguing that racism and hate only exist in the mind of those on the receiving end and that the speaker has no intent or responsibilty.
The millions of people who give examples of racism are simply over sensitive and part of that is because they have lots of free time?
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Both of you make good points but we need to distinguish between 'taking offence' and committing a 'hate crime' .... they are very different.
Offence is not given it is taken.
The offended and the outraged make themselves ridiculous.
Mentioning other races is not racist. Saying you prefer male company is not sexist. Thoughts and words are only so if they attempt to 'make lesser' the subjects of such conversations.
Those that oppose all hate crime / bullying / cruelty etc with dignity and intelligence have my vote.
Comedians might overstep your personal sensitivities but they do not overstep legalities.
They are often maligned by those that think saying 'curried goat' is racist. Or that saying 'false eyelashes' is sexist.
Issues are being confused here.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think it's possible for a stand up to offend you during his / her performance ?
If so what would they say that would trigger you ? "
No, because we have a sense of humour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Both of you make good points but we need to distinguish between 'taking offence' and committing a 'hate crime' .... they are very different.
Offence is not given it is taken.
The offended and the outraged make themselves ridiculous.
Mentioning other races is not racist. Saying you prefer male company is not sexist. Thoughts and words are only so if they attempt to 'make lesser' the subjects of such conversations.
Those that oppose all hate crime / bullying / cruelty etc with dignity and intelligence have my vote.
Comedians might overstep your personal sensitivities but they do not overstep legalities.
They are often maligned by those that think saying 'curried goat' is racist. Or that saying 'false eyelashes' is sexist.
Issues are being confused here.
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Thanks Granny - some good points made.
I dont think Im confusing the issues you outline above - Im not confusing people talking about curried goat with racism.
Im simply saying that making generalised comments about all people who are offended being over sensitive is unhelpful and we all have a responsibility for the effect of our words on others.
Just because someone is apparently a 'comedian' or on a stage dosnt innoculate their words, intent or responsibilty. We have all seen Humour used as a vehicle for hate and cruelty.
I think most of us would agree that we want people and society to be tolerant and allow freedom of expression. Understanding other peoples perspectives and accepting that your own views and boundaries may not always be shared by others is very important - and that applies to humour as well.....but lets not pretend that all humour is innocent of hate.
I respect peoples rights and freedoms to see comedians 'joking' about kids and disabled people even though I do find some of it offensive. There is the proverbial line though and its not always clear where it is. I also dont think we need to call people disparaging names like snowflake lol  just because they disagree with you. If we want others to listen to our point of view - then we should all have the courtesy to hear their opinions.
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"If you get offended by jokes that’s your problem
What if it’s racist/ sexist/disabilist?
Then don’t laugh. And/or leave/walk away.
I don’t understand people who go to Jimmy Carr gigs and then kick off because they’ve been offended by something he says. If you don’t want to be exposed to his brand of juvenile, offensive, shock tactics (and you know going in that’s what you’ll get) then don’t go. Simples.
If it happens through a casual meet, call that person out for the bigot / idiot / twat they are!!
But then you get branded a snowflake who is against free speach like its the most offensive thing you can be called
Then you still have the choice to disagree,ignore it and walk away not letting it bither you
My point was that even those defending people for being offensive gets upset and name call when someone exercises their freedom of speech to call them out on it. They are offended that people are offended
I agree,it’s the same both ways.people do get upset when others get offended easy just like there are many that get offended on behalf of others.just the way it is so dont let it bother you"
I don't |
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"Offence cannot be given. Offence can only be taken. Offence belongs with the taker. They own it. And I would say they are welcome to it.
The streets are lined with people waiting to take offence these days. Having nothinbg else to do to fill their empty time."
That's bollocks though isn't it? People know when they are saying something that is or can be seen as offensive. That's why they say 'no offense' before they say it. These shock jock comedians know where the line of decency is yet choose to cross it every time because it brings in the bucks.
It's a choice they consciously make. |
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Seen Jimmy Carr multiple times and there's always a point in his show where he'll tell the audience he's going to see how offensive he can get and still make them laugh.
Ricky Gervais is another good one for skirting the line of good taste.
Seeing Gary delaney soon |
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