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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who thinks its coming?"
They’re advertising it on the news. Covid did not work to kill all the plebs so they’re going to send them to the front lone instead!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Witnessing "end of times" as we know it. The world leaders prime goal and a way to get off is to be blood thirsty with goal being steal weapons, drugs, oil and to wipe the sheep out. WW3 is in motion for sure |
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"Witnessing "end of times" as we know it. The world leaders prime goal and a way to get off is to be blood thirsty with goal being steal weapons, drugs, oil and to wipe the sheep out. WW3 is in motion for sure"
Not really tbh.
Name a war that wasn’t about resources, territory or religion?
There will no doubt be escalating tensions here
But it won’t go full tilt as both sides scared of the impacts.
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"Witnessing "end of times" as we know it. The world leaders prime goal and a way to get off is to be blood thirsty with goal being steal weapons, drugs, oil and to wipe the sheep out. WW3 is in motion for sure"
And I thought a way to get off was to hump my husband's leg. I've been doing it wrong for all these years  |
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"Witnessing "end of times" as we know it. The world leaders prime goal and a way to get off is to be blood thirsty with goal being steal weapons, drugs, oil and to wipe the sheep out. WW3 is in motion for sure
And I thought a way to get off was to hump my husband's leg. I've been doing it wrong for all these years "
Your option much more pleasurable  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Theres a possibility itll be a major conflict but i doubt itll be so huge itll merit the title of "WW3"
The issue with this conflict is theres too much at stake for major powers to go all in on this, even for russia. So many major powers will likely want to stay out of it and use diplomacy over military action
Nukes will never be used, the cost of using them will be too great compared to the benefit. Theyre there simply as a deterrence to using them by either side
China will definitely be watching closely on this one though |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Theres a possibility itll be a major conflict but i doubt itll be so huge itll merit the title of "WW3"
The issue with this conflict is theres too much at stake for major powers to go all in on this, even for russia. So many major powers will likely want to stay out of it and use diplomacy over military action
Nukes will never be used, the cost of using them will be too great compared to the benefit. Theyre there simply as a deterrence to using them by either side
China will definitely be watching closely on this one though"
Nukes aside. If nobody to stop Putin taking Ukraine. And he’s talking tough to discourage that. Then what’t to stop him pushing on? He and the Russian nation as a whole will be emboldened. I can easily see this escalating to include a number of other satellites soon enough. They’ve been planning this for years.
Question is what will the West do other than tut tut on the sidelines. And what will China do if West steps up. China will probably take Taiwan.
Can you trust N.Korae not to have a pop under to cover of the fog of war.
Looks like the West will have to lump this one and hope it stops at Ukraine or risk a domino effect.
Either way. Shit just got very real as they day. |
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War is good business for some and bad for others.
Problem is the one's in the know have probably already purchased share's in companies who stand to profit from war.
But as Putin is unofficially the world's richest man I doubt he will give two fucks about his countries wealth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Putin is just testing the West. As long as he only gets a sanction he'll keep on going. We'll only intervene when Russia invades a country with a commodity we need. |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast."
He has billions put away for his war chest. Billions!
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
He has billions put away for his war chest. Billions!
Talk about planning ahead "
Yeah, but the value of his currency is dropping like a stone. That's what did for Germany between the two world wars. It also had the effect of bringing on nazism. Whichever way you look at it, not good. |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
He has billions put away for his war chest. Billions!
Talk about planning ahead
Yeah, but the value of his currency is dropping like a stone. That's what did for Germany between the two world wars. It also had the effect of bringing on nazism. Whichever way you look at it, not good."
I think he's smart enough to have spread his wealth through many currencies. |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
He has billions put away for his war chest. Billions!
Talk about planning ahead
Yeah, but the value of his currency is dropping like a stone. That's what did for Germany between the two world wars. It also had the effect of bringing on nazism. Whichever way you look at it, not good.
I think he's smart enough to have spread his wealth through many currencies."
Possibly, but that's now frozen through sanctions, and for its size Russia is actually quite poor (relative). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been watching RT news, as unsurprisingly they are giving a different spin. A completely different spin.
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I wonder what the odds on Russia Today putting a positive spin on Russia’s actions were. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Putin is just testing the West. As long as he only gets a sanction he'll keep on going. We'll only intervene when Russia invades a country with a commodity we need.
Ukraine is the fifth largest wheat producer in the world.
We'll only intervene though when Putin invades a NATO country as Biden has just confirmed.
The sanctions are not immediate, they sanctions suck an economy dry - so if Russia does in the coming months decides to invade another NATO country it shouldn't be able to put up a fight for long (is my thinking).
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Wheat is so important to Ukraine, their flag shows a blue sky and yellow fields.
Wheat is also used in bio fuels, so this is what the E in E5 and E10 stands for: ethanol.
So combined with this wheat prices may climb...pushing up pump prices for us poor drivers. Before EV drivers get smug, hybrids will be affected too.
If Germany has to look elsewhere for natural gas for heating and electricity generation, then this could put up the fuel prices here.
Covid couldn't infect a better person.  |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
Wales |
"Putins translated message to the world
Whoever interferes with us with retaliation will be met with immediate action of the highest consequences seen in history. "
Head Honcho of NATO was also pretty clear. Go past UKraine and cross into NATO borders and every single NATO Country will join together and retaliate with force.
And he emphasised that many times.
It’s a bit like a high powered game of chicken, but with countless lives on the line.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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all those people for years saying we should get rid of trident in the uk ...maybe they will finally realise whats been protecting us for years ....
i feel for the people in ukraine its no joke and the others around ukraine are now realising they could be next i see mass misplacement of people (i hope we help rehome) but in the end russia will not win the world knows it cant ...
maybe now the time to look at china too and get the rest of the world alot less dependant the world can make russia and china poorer states so weapons and war cant be a option .... something tells me the russian people may turn on putin |
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I feel the same. What is the qualification for it to be classed as a world war?
No one will stop him taking Ukraine, but there are a lot of Nato countries standing in this way next, and we all know an attack on a Nato nation is an attack on all members and the reason for being a member is that article. If just one rocket, bomb, bullet is fired in the way of Nato then we are in deed heading for the history book to be rewritten here and now.
I feel his is the end game for putin though and he knows it now, either he pushes on and we are all involved or he will be ousted by the west. Its a very very bleak outlook. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Putin is just testing the West. As long as he only gets a sanction he'll keep on going. We'll only intervene when Russia invades a country with a commodity we need.
Ukraine is the fifth largest wheat producer in the world.
We'll only intervene though when Putin invades a NATO country as Biden has just confirmed.
The sanctions are not immediate, they sanctions suck an economy dry - so if Russia does in the coming months decides to invade another NATO country it shouldn't be able to put up a fight for long (is my thinking).
Wheat is so important to Ukraine, their flag shows a blue sky and yellow fields.
Wheat is also used in bio fuels, so this is what the E in E5 and E10 stands for: ethanol.
So combined with this wheat prices may climb...pushing up pump prices for us poor drivers. Before EV drivers get smug, hybrids will be affected too.
If Germany has to look elsewhere for natural gas for heating and electricity generation, then this could put up the fuel prices here.
Covid couldn't infect a better person. "
Sorry I just deleted my post. I was about to correct it. It's the fifth largest in Europe, not the world. Also as high up in corn production.
Quite right the EU will have to look elsewhere fast. |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast."
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
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Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements "
These empty statements and sanctions will not matter an ounce to him. He's a man of action and still believes in old outdated values such as his latest stunt. He has fully lost his way now and is head down a one way path. What lies at the end I don't think we want to know |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I predicted this a long time ago and I tried to warn you all. If you don't believe me, ask ErectJim. It doesn't end well for any of us. I'm so sorry guys, the time is very near. So don't forget to hug those closest to you and wank until your cock/clit falls off if that makes you feel better. |
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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"I predicted this a long time ago and I tried to warn you all. If you don't believe me, ask ErectJim. It doesn't end well for any of us. I'm so sorry guys, the time is very near. So don't forget to hug those closest to you and wank until your cock/clit falls off if that makes you feel better."
Is this new NATO strategy? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I predicted this a long time ago and I tried to warn you all. If you don't believe me, ask ErectJim. It doesn't end well for any of us. I'm so sorry guys, the time is very near. So don't forget to hug those closest to you and wank until your cock/clit falls off if that makes you feel better.
Is this new NATO strategy?"
No that's more about sticking your head up your own arse and hoping it all goes away. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Putins translated message to the world
Whoever interferes with us with retaliation will be met with immediate action of the highest consequences seen in history.
Head Honcho of NATO was also pretty clear. Go past UKraine and cross into NATO borders and every single NATO Country will join together and retaliate with force.
And he emphasised that many times.
It’s a bit like a high powered game of chicken, but with countless lives on the line. "
I saw that but I remain unconvinced. Many European NATO countries are also EU countries who have consistently failed to meet their NATO GDP spending commitments. As to their resolve, when Covid V.1 hit Italy, how many of their fellow EU countries rushed to their aid?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don’t think so.
Putin is not stupid, he knows NATO won’t defend Ukraine, so it’s an ‘easy win’ (if I can use that terminology). He’s said that if any country attacked Russia they would face the full force of their Military. I think he knows if he were to go further than Ukraine he’d face a similar thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don’t think so.
Putin is not stupid, he knows NATO won’t defend Ukraine, so it’s an ‘easy win’ (if I can use that terminology). He’s said that if any country attacked Russia they would face the full force of their Military. I think he knows if he were to go further than Ukraine he’d face a similar thing. "
This! The west will arm the Ukraine and try and squeeze putin with sanctions but won’t get directly involved in a military sense |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Putins translated message to the world
Whoever interferes with us with retaliation will be met with immediate action of the highest consequences seen in history.
Head Honcho of NATO was also pretty clear. Go past UKraine and cross into NATO borders and every single NATO Country will join together and retaliate with force.
And he emphasised that many times.
It’s a bit like a high powered game of chicken, but with countless lives on the line.
I saw that but I remain unconvinced. Many European NATO countries are also EU countries who have consistently failed to meet their NATO GDP spending commitments. As to their resolve, when Covid V.1 hit Italy, how many of their fellow EU countries rushed to their aid?
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No expert but NATO doesn't cover health, the UN does eg Ebola.. NATO might help with the logistics of things but sending the military in to cover a health pandemic would have been a disaster as v1 was killing everyone - there were no vaccines and little oxygen |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
If Russia in it's various guises, had invested in it's peoples from the Baltic to the Sea of Japan. Then maybe, just maybe it would have ranked much higher in the GDP stakes.
This quasi continent is too be to be wasted like this.
Look how the Sochi Olympics showed how it could be a tourist resort for us in the West. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don’t think so.
Putin is not stupid, he knows NATO won’t defend Ukraine, so it’s an ‘easy win’ (if I can use that terminology). He’s said that if any country attacked Russia they would face the full force of their Military. I think he knows if he were to go further than Ukraine he’d face a similar thing.
This! The west will arm the Ukraine and try and squeeze putin with sanctions but won’t get directly involved in a military sense "
I think this is going to rubble on the years. He will have his sights set on other countries Moldova is my bet as his next target. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x"
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened. "
I still think that this was coming though x |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"Don't worry, Sharon on Facebook says it's not gonna happen so we are all safe.
Mind you she did say the same about Covid  "
and a YouTuber says "Send in the Karens" "I WANNA SPEAK WITH YOUR MANAGER!"
A Tik Tokker is saying how nice the Black Sea is for a winter break right now.
The IG brigade are doing selfies, with the Russian squaddies in their tanks. |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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not sure it will end up being ww3 if it goes that way then it will all be over for humans anyway, but econimicly its going to hurt us all badly, thought energy was going to cost more,,, you aint seen nothing yet |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Putins translated message to the world
Whoever interferes with us with retaliation will be met with immediate action of the highest consequences seen in history.
Head Honcho of NATO was also pretty clear. Go past UKraine and cross into NATO borders and every single NATO Country will join together and retaliate with force.
And he emphasised that many times.
It’s a bit like a high powered game of chicken, but with countless lives on the line.
I saw that but I remain unconvinced. Many European NATO countries are also EU countries who have consistently failed to meet their NATO GDP spending commitments. As to their resolve, when Covid V.1 hit Italy, how many of their fellow EU countries rushed to their aid?
No expert but NATO doesn't cover health, the UN does eg Ebola.. NATO might help with the logistics of things but sending the military in to cover a health pandemic would have been a disaster as v1 was killing everyone - there were no vaccines and little oxygen"
No shit! My point is that you have the same nations involved and Ukraine isn't even in the club. |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x"
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The only saving grace is that the US is not interested in Ukraine; otherwise we would be heading for Armageddon.
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It's not about not being interested in Ukraine, Because if they weren't interested they wouldn't be putting in severe sanctions. It's about not wanting to physically getting envolved with boots on the ground. |
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"Don't worry, Sharon on Facebook says it's not gonna happen so we are all safe.
Mind you she did say the same about Covid "
Fucking Sharon! Seriously, anyone fucking Sharon? |
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"Don't worry, Sharon on Facebook says it's not gonna happen so we are all safe.
Mind you she did say the same about Covid
Fucking Sharon! Seriously, anyone fucking Sharon? "
If WW3 is fought with nuclear weapons, WW4 will be fought will sticks and stones |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit. "
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x"
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items? |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items?"
If I knew that I would say but there's just been one thing after another over the last few years or so |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements "
He's not scared of anyone, but he's not stupid either. Poisoning people in Salisbury is one thing, but if Putin were to continue pushing westwards into other countries there would come a point where Western fingers would start to hover dangerously over red buttons.
Putin doesn't want a nuclear war any more than we do because he understands that nobody wins. So he'll push just far enough to be able to demonstrate to his countryman and the wider world that he's a leader to be reckoned with but without risking Armageddon. |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items?
If I knew that I would say but there's just been one thing after another over the last few years or so"
I really don't know where you're going with this but the 3 are pretty much unconnected. I suppose very tenuously you could say covid has had a part to play but simply because as I mentioned above economies around the world have been weakened and countries leaders have been distracted which has given Putin an in. |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements
He's not scared of anyone, but he's not stupid either. Poisoning people in Salisbury is one thing, but if Putin were to continue pushing westwards into other countries there would come a point where Western fingers would start to hover dangerously over red buttons.
Putin doesn't want a nuclear war any more than we do because he understands that nobody wins. So he'll push just far enough to be able to demonstrate to his countryman and the wider world that he's a leader to be reckoned with but without risking Armageddon."
Agree
Doesn’t help Ukrainians though unfortunately
Remember Hitler pushed the boundaries with annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia. We did nothing.
Don’t think same scenario here but look through the centuries and there are men who are despots |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items?
If I knew that I would say but there's just been one thing after another over the last few years or so
I really don't know where you're going with this but the 3 are pretty much unconnected. I suppose very tenuously you could say covid has had a part to play but simply because as I mentioned above economies around the world have been weakened and countries leaders have been distracted which has given Putin an in."
Ah but I never said they were connected. I'm simply pointing out that society has brought us difficult situations which could well be a distraction for other things to come x |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items?
If I knew that I would say but there's just been one thing after another over the last few years or so
I really don't know where you're going with this but the 3 are pretty much unconnected. I suppose very tenuously you could say covid has had a part to play but simply because as I mentioned above economies around the world have been weakened and countries leaders have been distracted which has given Putin an in.
Ah but I never said they were connected. I'm simply pointing out that society has brought us difficult situations which could well be a distraction for other things to come x"
But society didn't bring us covid. Also you mention there has been one thing after another in recent years but that's always been the case it's only that the 3 things you mention have directly impacting us here in the UK that we seem to pay attention. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
Hull |
"What could stop him is his own people because they are currently demonstrating in the streets which is very unlike the Russians. "
As explained on some media today, Russian people have a choice of where they source their news.
If in rural, countryside or remote areas they have to rely on State radio and TV. But in cities and major places of population, people have access to social media, foreign TV etc and are hearing what the rest of the world is saying and these people have more positive knowledge of what has occurred from what Russian propaganda has been spewed out by Putin. |
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"It's not a coincidence this has happened after the restrictions of Covid have all been lifted. I think it's all very suspicious. First, Brexit, second, Covid and now this with Russia invading Ukraine. What else is coming? It's a dark day for Europe x
But the restrictions have only been lifted here and not the majority of Europe so that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nothing to do with restrictions being lifted and everything to do with countries have been preoccupied dealing with the covid virus and are economical weakened.
I still think that this was coming though x
Maybe but it has nothing to do with restrictions being lifted or brexit.
Covid, Brexit, Russia. There's a pattern emerging. There's definitely something going on that we're not being told about x
Which is? You are linking a few disparate items?
If I knew that I would say but there's just been one thing after another over the last few years or so
I really don't know where you're going with this but the 3 are pretty much unconnected. I suppose very tenuously you could say covid has had a part to play but simply because as I mentioned above economies around the world have been weakened and countries leaders have been distracted which has given Putin an in.
Ah but I never said they were connected. I'm simply pointing out that society has brought us difficult situations which could well be a distraction for other things to come x"
You did mention a pattern? This indicates a link.
Why not lump in adverse weather conditions we have had lately
Not a helpful comparison on non connected items
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements
He's not scared of anyone, but he's not stupid either. Poisoning people in Salisbury is one thing, but if Putin were to continue pushing westwards into other countries there would come a point where Western fingers would start to hover dangerously over red buttons.
Putin doesn't want a nuclear war any more than we do because he understands that nobody wins. So he'll push just far enough to be able to demonstrate to his countryman and the wider world that he's a leader to be reckoned with but without risking Armageddon.
Agree
Doesn’t help Ukrainians though unfortunately
Remember Hitler pushed the boundaries with annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia. We did nothing.
Don’t think same scenario here but look through the centuries and there are men who are despots"
Same thing happened in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. Allies (England and France) failed to defend Poland and also did not declare war on the Soviet Union when the Red Army marched on Poland. I am affraid that Ukraine will be left alone and no military help will be provided by the western countries. |
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If you’re talking about the Allied betrayal of Poland to the Soviet Union at the end of WWII, don’t forget that they were working WITH Germany early in the war and also invaded Poland from the east in 1939. |
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"There is no doubt Ukraine will fall. Its what happens after that will decide the fate of millions.
I honestly pray to God he stops at the Ukraine border "
Me too. If he doesn’t then things will definitely get very worrying. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"Who thinks its coming?
Definitely not, why would it "
Because if his "ambition" extends past the borders of Ukraine in to a NATO country you pretty much have world wide retaliation from both sides. NATO members defending allies and any alliances Russia has/NATO ally enemies in defense of Russia. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"Isn't he trying to return Russia to the Soviet Union and retake the countries that where part of it?
Or am I wrong?
This is the equivalent of great Britain trying to regain the empire."
It is part of it. He kind of also wants a "barrier" of allied countries between Russia and the rest of Europe.
There will be multiple reasons for his decision but Soviet Union being the majority of reason. |
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"Isn't he trying to return Russia to the Soviet Union and retake the countries that where part of it?
Or am I wrong?
This is the equivalent of great Britain trying to regain the empire."
Think less USSR and think more Peter the great |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who thinks its coming?
This overview by Ross Atkins sums up clearly why the situation has escalated. It won't lead to a 3rd world war.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60518078"
I love his summaries!
This is when I discovered him. 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsD8hLJoBQk |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Putins translated message to the world
Whoever interferes with us with retaliation will be met with immediate action of the highest consequences seen in history.
Head Honcho of NATO was also pretty clear. Go past UKraine and cross into NATO borders and every single NATO Country will join together and retaliate with force.
And he emphasised that many times.
It’s a bit like a high powered game of chicken, but with countless lives on the line.
I saw that but I remain unconvinced. Many European NATO countries are also EU countries who have consistently failed to meet their NATO GDP spending commitments. As to their resolve, when Covid V.1 hit Italy, how many of their fellow EU countries rushed to their aid?
No expert but NATO doesn't cover health, the UN does eg Ebola.. NATO might help with the logistics of things but sending the military in to cover a health pandemic would have been a disaster as v1 was killing everyone - there were no vaccines and little oxygen
No shit! My point is that you have the same nations involved and Ukraine isn't even in the club."
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Who thinks its coming?
This overview by Ross Atkins sums up clearly why the situation has escalated. It won't lead to a 3rd world war.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60518078
I love his summaries!
This is when I discovered him.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsD8hLJoBQk"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Theres a possibility itll be a major conflict but i doubt itll be so huge itll merit the title of "WW3"
The issue with this conflict is theres too much at stake for major powers to go all in on this, even for russia. So many major powers will likely want to stay out of it and use diplomacy over military action
Nukes will never be used, the cost of using them will be too great compared to the benefit. Theyre there simply as a deterrence to using them by either side
China will definitely be watching closely on this one though
Nukes aside. If nobody to stop Putin taking Ukraine. And he’s talking tough to discourage that. Then what’t to stop him pushing on? He and the Russian nation as a whole will be emboldened. I can easily see this escalating to include a number of other satellites soon enough. They’ve been planning this for years.
Question is what will the West do other than tut tut on the sidelines. And what will China do if West steps up. China will probably take Taiwan.
Can you trust N.Korae not to have a pop under to cover of the fog of war.
Looks like the West will have to lump this one and hope it stops at Ukraine or risk a domino effect.
Either way. Shit just got very real as they day. "
Well putin does want to see a return of the soviet union but how much of it he wants back from the eastern bloc with the warsaw pact countires remains to be seen
Ive had this discussion with a buddy of mine, ex tanker for the US army and served in the middle east, now a military historian (well, amateur historian anyway), and we agree that what russia wants most is the crimean peninsula which is a major strategic position both tactically and for resources. Russia needs to secure that against the west SHOULD full scale war break out between both sides
Its true that the cold war didnt end when the berlin wall came down but with how the modern world has developed, its changed the nature of war and how major powers play against each other. I highly doubt we will see full scale war between russia and nato like we expected to see during the cold war a few decades ago. Plus russia is in absolutely no position to win it as a united nato offensive will be too strong for them to make any kind of ground. But with ukraine playing both sides, theyve allowed russia to make their move and try to take it |
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"Old style war is limited. Money is the main motivation these days, and if his cash supply gets cut off, he's toast.
Well said that man!
To repeat what I said in the other thread, Russia's economy is 1/20th that of the USA and just over half that of ours.
Putin knows that economically he cannot compete with the major economies (Russia only ranks 11th in terms of GDP) and his billionaire mates with their investments in the west will be reminding him of that.
Yeah but here's a guy who allowed a chemical attack on British soil in the streets of Salisbury.
I don't think he's running scared of Doris and his piffalling statements
He's not scared of anyone, but he's not stupid either. Poisoning people in Salisbury is one thing, but if Putin were to continue pushing westwards into other countries there would come a point where Western fingers would start to hover dangerously over red buttons.
Putin doesn't want a nuclear war any more than we do because he understands that nobody wins. So he'll push just far enough to be able to demonstrate to his countryman and the wider world that he's a leader to be reckoned with but without risking Armageddon.
Agree
Doesn’t help Ukrainians though unfortunately
Remember Hitler pushed the boundaries with annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia. We did nothing.
Don’t think same scenario here but look through the centuries and there are men who are despots
Same thing happened in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. Allies (England and France) failed to defend Poland and also did not declare war on the Soviet Union when the Red Army marched on Poland. I am affraid that Ukraine will be left alone and no military help will be provided by the western countries. "
Ah yes, but there was no NATO alliance back then. I think that would be the tipping point now and Putin knows it. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
Catthorpe |
Let's hope not. Fear is they attack a small NATO country like boardering Lithuania, will we have the stomach to defend that? Article 5 says we have to, if we do Europe at the very least is going up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And only one way to stop a nut job like that mad Russian who is trying to Bully the world as all Nations come together but don't think anyone will as he's got so much Bombs and so on and the Chinese rubbing their hands to help him god help as but I Pray to God after all we just been though lately and lose of life how meany more Poor children husbands wives friends and partners got to die for Greed of governments so sad |
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but if he threatens my old friend im becoming ukrainian i must protect no matter my sacrifice 