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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Blimey.......the government want to pass a bill that the lowest price of a bottle of plonk will be £4.38......how much is meths at B&Q?
Hic.
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not quite....
what they want to do is that they are going to do in scotland and charge a mini price per unit of alcohol...... which is provisionally set at 45p per unit..
which should cut down the amount of drink related incidences..... such as trips to a&e, |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Blimey.......the government want to pass a bill that the lowest price of a bottle of plonk will be £4.38......how much is meths at B&Q?
Hic.
not quite....
what they want to do is that they are going to do in scotland and charge a mini price per unit of alcohol...... which is provisionally set at 45p per unit..
which should cut down the amount of drink related incidences..... such as trips to a&e, "
It won't. 'Problem' drinkers will still find enough dosh for their bevvy. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Artificial manipulation of the open market.....not sure that is a good thing in a time of recession and austerity measures."
but still not the same as supermarkets actually selling the stuff at a loss to entice people in...
notice that the pub association actually like the legistlation and supermarkets actually hate it... |
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I can't see it stopping people drinking to excess. Many d*unks get pissed on 6 pints but carry on drinking, so they'll still have 6 pints and will still be pissed.
They'll just have fewer drinks and spend less money.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Artificial manipulation of the open market.....not sure that is a good thing in a time of recession and austerity measures.
but still not the same as supermarkets actually selling the stuff at a loss to entice people in...
notice that the pub association actually like the legistlation and supermarkets actually hate it..."
That's not quite true re all supermarkets. Morrison's, for one, are dead against it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Where on earth can you buy wine cheaper than that anyway ?
Aldi....and such like.
or Halfords do a nice line in antifreeze.
No, it's Aldi for the antifreeze"
Lol....good point! |
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Governments interfering with an open market, so what next after alcohol?
One of the easiest ways to control a population is to artificially control the retail food and drink market....just ask the Chinese.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where on earth can you buy wine cheaper than that anyway ?
asda 3 for £10 on selected wines  "
We only have M&S or Waitrose round here. I'll have to start looking further afield. I think there is a sainsburys in the next town. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Governments interfering with an open market, so what next after alcohol?
One of the easiest ways to control a population is to artificially control the retail food and drink market....just ask the Chinese.
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I've always maintained that after the attack on smoking that alcohol would be next. My mistake was assuming a socialist govt would be keen on the idea but it seems it's a cross party utopia to have total control over the masses.
I predict that after alcohol has been dispensed with (and anyone who disagrees with curbs on alcohol will be labelled a racist, bigamist, sizeist wanker) that foods that make you fart will be next.
(obv that last statement was tongue in cheek) |
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"Governments interfering with an open market, so what next after alcohol?
One of the easiest ways to control a population is to artificially control the retail food and drink market....just ask the Chinese.
I've always maintained that after the attack on smoking that alcohol would be next. My mistake was assuming a socialist govt would be keen on the idea but it seems it's a cross party utopia to have total control over the masses.
I predict that after alcohol has been dispensed with (and anyone who disagrees with curbs on alcohol will be labelled a racist, bigamist, sizeist wanker) that foods that make you fart will be next.
(obv that last statement was tongue in cheek)"
If they ban baked beans and sprouts I'm setting up a resistance movement  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Where on earth can you buy wine cheaper than that anyway ?
asda 3 for £10 on selected wines
We only have M&S or Waitrose round here. I'll have to start looking further afield. I think there is a sainsburys in the next town. "
One of the ploys mooted to get round a Scottish 50p/ unit minimum was to buy alcohol via home delivery 'cos it would be deemed to have been purchased at the supermarket's head office (usually in England) even if the delivery came from round the corner. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blimey.......the government want to pass a bill that the lowest price of a bottle of plonk will be £4.38......how much is meths at B&Q?
Hic.
not quite....
what they want to do is that they are going to do in scotland and charge a mini price per unit of alcohol...... which is provisionally set at 45p per unit..
which should cut down the amount of drink related incidences..... such as trips to a&e, "
Is that the same as 'hiding fags' behind sliding doors will stop young people smoking them lol - no I don't smoke by the way
Young people drinking is like breaking a taboo. So the government put the price up, increasing the tax paid, but youngsters save up that little bit more and still break the taboo. Government gain more money under the pretence of trying to protect money.
If young people want to drink, they will drink.
Similar hypothesis - chams add £5 to price of entry for single men on a Friday night. Will it really effect the number of single men ? Probably a handful will stop going, but there will be others who are happy to pay.
At the end of the day, every government enforced increase means they pocket that bit more. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Governments interfering with an open market, so what next after alcohol?
One of the easiest ways to control a population is to artificially control the retail food and drink market....just ask the Chinese.
I've always maintained that after the attack on smoking that alcohol would be next. My mistake was assuming a socialist govt would be keen on the idea but it seems it's a cross party utopia to have total control over the masses.
I predict that after alcohol has been dispensed with (and anyone who disagrees with curbs on alcohol will be labelled a racist, bigamist, sizeist wanker) that foods that make you fart will be next.
(obv that last statement was tongue in cheek)
If they ban baked beans and sprouts I'm setting up a resistance movement "
ooo you fifth columnist you. 
If they ban baked beans I'm with you brother but if you wanna keep sprouts then grab a weapon and stand opposed. Devil's fartballs them things.  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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At the end of the day, every government enforced increase means they pocket that bit more."
That's the wierd bit.
This isn't a tax. The money doesn't go to the Treasury (cept for a tiny bit of extra VAT - and, if consumption actually DOES go down, that's in jeopardy too) it stay with the shop. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"as long as they don't touch vodka!!!!!
agreed 
The proposal is ALL alcohol at 45p/ unit.
Wiki says 25ml of spirits = 1 unit.
Which will make a 1litre bottle £18!!!
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......... £20.00 in Scotland. |
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"as long as they don't touch vodka!!!!!
agreed
The proposal is ALL alcohol at 45p/ unit.
Wiki says 25ml of spirits = 1 unit. "
So a 700ml bottle of spirits £12.60 and a litre £18.00 that would put paid to supermarket cheap brands. |
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"The proposal is ALL alcohol at 45p/ unit."
Irrespective of strength?
Yes. If spirits are stronger than, say, wine, the volume of liquid in a unit will just be less."
sorry worra silly old sod I am....didn't read the post properly....it said for 25 ml of spirits.....it didn't register in my brain.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blimey.......the government want to pass a bill that the lowest price of a bottle of plonk will be £4.38......how much is meths at B&Q?
Hic.
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Thats cheaper than petrol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Artificial manipulation of the open market.....not sure that is a good thing in a time of recession and austerity measures.
but still not the same as supermarkets actually selling the stuff at a loss to entice people in...
notice that the pub association actually like the legistlation and supermarkets actually hate it..."
Easier to stop bing drinking - first time legless at hospital £100, 2nd time £400 if on benefits tough first pay then get benefits again. If all would be charged when they arrive d*unk at hospital it would stop. Would leave us who drink "normal" without having to carry the "can" for the 5% |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are partial to a drink then nothing is going to stop you getting that drink,A&E will still be as busy but id be looking at what people are doing to get the money to pay for the drink as they'll get it no matter what |
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices. "
Blimey you been on the vodka? 700ml is 28 units. (700/25). Therefore 28 x 45p = £12.60 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices. "
1000 / 25 = 40 units
40 x 0.45 = £18.00 ( litre)
18 x 0.70 = £12.60 ( bottle)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where on earth can you buy wine cheaper than that anyway ? "
The way I understand it, it means that the MINIMUM price for the wine would be, say £4.38. Then you'd have tax, manufacturers profit, vendors profit etc on top. So it would be more expensive than that. The government want a minimum price for the alcohol in the container.
Means you wouldn't get Aldi £3 metal polish specials anymore. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices. "
Step away from the bottle Wishmeister..... |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"as long as they don't touch vodka!!!!! "
Going to be at least £12 a bottle, so stock up now!
Time to start making my own booze again.  Thats a point though - will the tax be applicable to wine kits? 5 litres for £10. Bargain! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices.
Step away from the bottle Wishmeister..... "
That's what I thought. It's 70cl bottles innit?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices. "
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Eh?
700ml gives 28 x 25ml units, making it 12.60 GBP by my calculation. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Where on earth can you buy wine cheaper than that anyway ?
The way I understand it, it means that the MINIMUM price for the wine would be, say £4.38. Then you'd have tax, manufacturers profit, vendors profit etc on top. So it would be more expensive than that. The government want a minimum price for the alcohol in the container.
Means you wouldn't get Aldi £3 metal polish specials anymore. "
Nah, the 45p/ unit of alcohol includes all the appropriate taxes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I worry about this being an issue to people I really do. I can't remember when I bought a cheap bottle of fine last as most is above £7 or more the same with spirits a decent brand is well over £10 so its only going to affect the binges on the cheap stuff in reality. It may actually make some of the real ales and speciality bears more competitive and stop all this aussie and yank muck crossing the waters. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
I suppose the real question is 'is it the job of government to stop the dregs of society from drinking themselves into an early grave?'
I appreciate there are implications for the emergency services/ NHS/ etc but it ought not to be beyond the wit of man to work out a solution to that one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If 25ml = 1 unit, it would mean 700ml / 0.24 * 0.45p = £78.75
Can't see Tescos selling much Vodka at those prices.
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Eh?
700ml gives 28 x 25ml units, making it 12.60 GBP by my calculation. "
My mistake. I divided 700ml by .25 not 25 as I should have done.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suppose the real question is 'is it the job of government to stop the dregs of society from drinking themselves into an early grave?'
I appreciate there are implications for the emergency services/ NHS/ etc but it ought not to be beyond the wit of man to work out a solution to that one."
Wit is scarce, alcohol is cheap, the government is there to ensure law and order is maintained. The police put forward a case that cheap alcohol was making people unruly so the problem was addressed. Its a positive mood for a change so I am all for it. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"I suppose the real question is 'is it the job of government to stop the dregs of society from drinking themselves into an early grave?'
I appreciate there are implications for the emergency services/ NHS/ etc but it ought not to be beyond the wit of man to work out a solution to that one.
Wit is scarce, alcohol is cheap, the government is there to ensure law and order is maintained. The police put forward a case that cheap alcohol was making people unruly so the problem was addressed. Its a positive mood for a change so I am all for it. "
It seems likely to be struck down by the European courts so the government and the Scottish Executive may have to have a rethink. |
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There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up...."
Or that the govt (any govt) doesn't want us out there running amok and enjoying ourselves. We're much easier to control when locked down inside our houses after 5pm. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"I'm told George Osborne has similar problems with the decimal point
Feckin metric. We should go back to imperial, was much easier. "
Metric is brilliant. Everyone can do 10s much easier than 12s.
What we did wrong was not wait till all the old folk were dead. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up...."
That's correct many don't but they are often more southerly. The binge is more prevalent in countries with short winter days if you look From Russia, Poland, parts of Scandinavia and Britain too.
Higher pricing won't stop it but may reduce it by a little bit. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up....
Or that the govt (any govt) doesn't want us out there running amok and enjoying ourselves. We're much easier to control when locked down inside our houses after 5pm."
Either that or they're in hock to the brewers, distillers and Pubco's and are determined to push higher profits in their direction via more punters in pubs instead of preloading on cheap bevvy ay home. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suppose the real question is 'is it the job of government to stop the dregs of society from drinking themselves into an early grave?'
I appreciate there are implications for the emergency services/ NHS/ etc but it ought not to be beyond the wit of man to work out a solution to that one.
Wit is scarce, alcohol is cheap, the government is there to ensure law and order is maintained. The police put forward a case that cheap alcohol was making people unruly so the problem was addressed. Its a positive mood for a change so I am all for it.
It seems likely to be struck down by the European courts so the government and the Scottish Executive may have to have a rethink."
They may as I think that Cameron has annoyed a few with subsidy issues. However when cocacola is more expensive than alcohol something needs to be done so its a matter of saying F U to Europe and do our own thing. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up....
That's correct many don't but they are often more southerly. The binge is more prevalent in countries with short winter days if you look From Russia, Poland, parts of Scandinavia and Britain too.
Higher pricing won't stop it but may reduce it by a little bit. "
Yet alcohol pricing in Scandinavia seems to be seriously higher than elsewhere in Europe without reducing the levels of alcoholism and alcohol related illnesses.
What I can't establish is whether Scandinavia has the same levels of violence, domestic or otherwise, as the rest of Europe, especially the UK. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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It seems likely to be struck down by the European courts so the government and the Scottish Executive may have to have a rethink.
They may as I think that Cameron has annoyed a few with subsidy issues. However when cocacola is more expensive than alcohol something needs to be done so its a matter of saying F U to Europe and do our own thing."
Water, in some outlets, is more expensive than alcohol.
Cameron is under pressure from the enemies behind him to pick a fight with Europe.
Salmond has an issue with judicial decisions not taken in Scotland.
Both are simply waving their willies about. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"The government should pass the law that the top price for a bottle of wine should be £20.
Get the people off vodka / lager / cider and on to claret / burgundy / port, I say!"
Are you trying to ruin the Scotch whisky industry?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are plenty of countries in Europe where Alcohol is cheaper than in the UK yet they don't suffer the same social problems the UK has with drink....
I think has less to do with price than it does with the British social make up....
That's correct many don't but they are often more southerly. The binge is more prevalent in countries with short winter days if you look From Russia, Poland, parts of Scandinavia and Britain too.
Higher pricing won't stop it but may reduce it by a little bit.
Yet alcohol pricing in Scandinavia seems to be seriously higher than elsewhere in Europe without reducing the levels of alcoholism and alcohol related illnesses.
What I can't establish is whether Scandinavia has the same levels of violence, domestic or otherwise, as the rest of Europe, especially the UK."
No the violence the rowdy behaviour on the streets and the binge drinkers are far less visual. Norway in particular is triple UK prices in places and it has reduced public alcoholism. But they do the booze cruses like the Brits do to drink at home. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The government should pass the law that the top price for a bottle of wine should be £20.
Get the people off vodka / lager / cider and on to claret / burgundy / port, I say!"
Well as I am partial to claret, port and the odd burgundy I would say NO as there would be less available for me. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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What I can't establish is whether Scandinavia has the same levels of violence, domestic or otherwise, as the rest of Europe, especially the UK.
No the violence the rowdy behaviour on the streets and the binge drinkers are far less visual. Norway in particular is triple UK prices in places and it has reduced public alcoholism. But they do the booze cruses like the Brits do to drink at home. "
You may very well be right. 5 years and more ago I used to travel to mainland northern Europe many weekends and Glasgow Airport was hoaching with Icelanders (before the banking collapses) desperate to spend money in Glasgow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The thing is we are all moaning about the government putting the prices up but hey we the public voted the buggers into power in the first place and as usual once in power they bend us over and shaft us right up the ass typical polotitions really |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The thing is we are all moaning about the government putting the prices up but hey we the public voted the buggers into power in the first place and as usual once in power they bend us over and shaft us right up the ass typical polotitions really"
Those who voted for either of the coalition parties ought to be suitably ashamed of themselves.
Word is the Horsefly is seeking to distance himself from Camoron's position by making a personal statement (on Leveson) in the House later today.
You kinda have to feel sorry for the boy. I doubt he ever envisaged being so unceremoniously rogered from behind as he has been |
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"The thing is we are all moaning about the government putting the prices up but hey we the public voted the buggers into power in the first place and as usual once in power they bend us over and shaft us right up the ass typical polotitions really
Those who voted for either of the coalition parties ought to be suitably ashamed of themselves.
Word is the Horsefly is seeking to distance himself from Camoron's position by making a personal statement (on Leveson) in the House later today.
You kinda have to feel sorry for the boy. I doubt he ever envisaged being so unceremoniously rogered from behind as he has been"
I have envisaged doing that to him on more than one occasion! Now if only I could get him to agree to it taking place then...... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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You kinda have to feel sorry for the boy. I doubt he ever envisaged being so unceremoniously rogered from behind as he has been
I have envisaged doing that to him on more than one occasion! Now if only I could get him to agree to it taking place then...... "
Maybe if you offered him a job he's wholly unqualified to do and wholly unelected to deserve, he might go for it.
It worked last time. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Fuck that, I only drink at home, I get as pissed as a twat, I've never had to go to A&E...the Government can kiss my fucking hairy arse.
My word, that was eloquent ! Too much wine..."
I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it. |
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"Fuck that, I only drink at home, I get as pissed as a twat, I've never had to go to A&E...the Government can kiss my fucking hairy arse.
My word, that was eloquent ! Too much wine...
I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it."
Where do I sign ?
It's like the recent phenomenon of 'binge drinking'...doesn't that cover pretty much anyone that doesn't drink every night of the week to excess but goes out and gets d*unk at weekends, generally making their way home safely to bed without causing harm to anything but their wallets ? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it.
Where do I sign ?
It's like the recent phenomenon of 'binge drinking'...doesn't that cover pretty much anyone that doesn't drink every night of the week to excess but goes out and gets d*unk at weekends, generally making their way home safely to bed without causing harm to anything but their wallets ?"
It's not a 'recent' phenomonon.
As far back as (and possibly before) the First World War the government at the time chose to take the supply of alcohol into state control. |
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I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it.
Where do I sign ?
It's like the recent phenomenon of 'binge drinking'...doesn't that cover pretty much anyone that doesn't drink every night of the week to excess but goes out and gets d*unk at weekends, generally making their way home safely to bed without causing harm to anything but their wallets ?
It's not a 'recent' phenomonon.
As far back as (and possibly before) the First World War the government at the time chose to take the supply of alcohol into state control."
Are you being deliberately obtuse, I mean't the phrase, not the fact that people have been going out and getting pissed for generations. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it.
Where do I sign ?
It's like the recent phenomenon of 'binge drinking'...doesn't that cover pretty much anyone that doesn't drink every night of the week to excess but goes out and gets d*unk at weekends, generally making their way home safely to bed without causing harm to anything but their wallets ?
It's not a 'recent' phenomonon.
As far back as (and possibly before) the First World War the government at the time chose to take the supply of alcohol into state control.
Are you being deliberately obtuse, I mean't the phrase, not the fact that people have been going out and getting pissed for generations."
No, but I have an acute (d'ye see what I did there?) understanding about the reality which some people choose to ignore. |
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I suspect THIS government would go for that.
Abuse yourself all you like and we'll let you but, in return, you and your family have to promise not to demand 999/ NHS services if you overdo it.
Where do I sign ?
It's like the recent phenomenon of 'binge drinking'...doesn't that cover pretty much anyone that doesn't drink every night of the week to excess but goes out and gets d*unk at weekends, generally making their way home safely to bed without causing harm to anything but their wallets ?
It's not a 'recent' phenomonon.
As far back as (and possibly before) the First World War the government at the time chose to take the supply of alcohol into state control.
Are you being deliberately obtuse, I mean't the phrase, not the fact that people have been going out and getting pissed for generations.
No, but I have an acute (d'ye see what I did there?) understanding about the reality which some people choose to ignore."
That was actually quite funny ! So fill me in on this understanding that I'm guessing you presume I have to idea about ? |
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