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"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid"
I don't think it's too bad for my journeys. I have 320 range if I get 250 miles actual think that's enough but might need to plan a bit more if I have to make onward journeys. |
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"I don’t have an EV but I got my first automatic just over a year ago. Gawd it is soooo good and as for the auto hold.  "
I used to love manual but since my office moved, I can't wait for auto. So much traffic on my route |
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"I'm getting a new BYD seal soon. Has anyone driven EV? It's crazy fast but the one foot driving is a bit weird.
What are your views on them?"
Nothing beats a V8, but my mate has a SF90 and *don't tell DVLA* we do pulls up and down the M25 with my black series and the instant torque you get from EVs is incredible. When they get a bit more character and soul they'll be decent machines. |
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"I'm getting a new BYD seal soon. Has anyone driven EV? It's crazy fast but the one foot driving is a bit weird.
What are your views on them?
Nothing beats a V8, but my mate has a SF90 and *don't tell DVLA* we do pulls up and down the M25 with my black series and the instant torque you get from EVs is incredible. When they get a bit more character and soul they'll be decent machines."
My friend has a lexus hybrid and that felt really quick. It pumps the engine sound through speakers and makes it sound more meaty. I know it's a bit artificial but added a bit more charector. Wish my EV would do that |
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over a year ago
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"I did about 500 miles in mine this weekend, had to stop once to charge while I got a quick lunch. The car was ready to go quicker than I was 
Hope you didn't get any idle time charge. "
No, I got back in time, but the idea of waiting for the car to charge just isn’t true in my experience. The car is waiting for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nothing beats a V8, but my mate has a SF90 and *don't tell DVLA* we do pulls up and down the M25 with my black series and the instant torque you get from EVs is incredible. When they get a bit more character and soul they'll be decent machines."
A V8 is lovely, I’ve really enjoyed the 3 I owned, but most people don’t drive something like that so it’s not really a comparison.
For most people, most of the time, compared to a 4 cylinder 1.6, an electric motor is no worse. The character has been dialled out of family cars before electric came along. |
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"Nothing beats a V8, but my mate has a SF90 and *don't tell DVLA* we do pulls up and down the M25 with my black series and the instant torque you get from EVs is incredible. When they get a bit more character and soul they'll be decent machines.
A V8 is lovely, I’ve really enjoyed the 3 I owned, but most people don’t drive something like that so it’s not really a comparison.
For most people, most of the time, compared to a 4 cylinder 1.6, an electric motor is no worse. The character has been dialled out of family cars before electric came along."
Nice what V8s did you have? Currently got a w204 black series but looking to swap it out for another black series when the market settles. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
I will not get an EV. First to have would mean a lot of work at my house to install a charger cost wise. ( I am retired electrical engineer )
Next after that my hobby is sea fishing. Where I go from my house is around 130 miles around trip . If motorways have diversions then lot more mileage. So would have to plan a fishing trip like military campaign . Then hope chargers on route working.
Yes some will say charge up before going. Instance I will give. Last year trip planned and went allowing plenty of time to go to fishing tackle shop. Pick up bait and go to where fishing. Normal journey approx 1.5 hours. This time stuck on motorway for due to hold up for two hours moving very slow. If was EV then would have had to find charger to get home
There are no near chargers where I fish. Yet my car is diesel. Plenty of choices to fill up if needed. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Cheeseville, Somerset |
"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid
Err where are you travelling that you are struggling to find chargers? "
It's not all about the travel.
I live in a flat. Nowhere to charge one at home. 🤷♂️ |
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EV are fun very fast and loaded with tech. The down side is fast charging points they're not enough in some areas. if you plan a long trip plan ahead where you gona recharge. Is great around the city's and cheap to run |
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We've been self charging hybrid for about 8 years now.
Wouldn't go full EV.
Whilst they are the size of a house it's pointless because they weigh loads far too much technology so kinda pointless in terms of economy.
Will go petrol or diesel next.
Maybe another hybrid perhaps a plug in one to get best of both worlds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid
Err where are you travelling that you are struggling to find chargers?
It's not all about the travel.
I live in a flat. Nowhere to charge one at home. 🤷♂️"
Oh that's fair enough, I get it now - also expensive charging away from home inconvenient |
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Got an Audi EV. Best car I’ve ever owned.
luckily I can charge at home which makes it impossibly cheap to run. Longest range I’ve had was 340 miles but longer journeys have been very easy to deal with. |
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"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid
Err where are you travelling that you are struggling to find chargers?
It's not all about the travel.
I live in a flat. Nowhere to charge one at home. 🤷♂️"
Most people are in a similar situation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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EV's are not for everyone including me. However I get fucked off with the one foot driving that doesn't always indicate to the car behind your actually braking. |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
"I don’t have an EV but I got my first automatic just over a year ago. Gawd it is soooo good and as for the auto hold.
I used to love manual but since my office moved, I can't wait for auto. So much traffic on my route "
I enjoy driving again now that I have an automatic. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Cheeseville, Somerset |
"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid
Err where are you travelling that you are struggling to find chargers?
It's not all about the travel.
I live in a flat. Nowhere to charge one at home. 🤷♂️
Oh that's fair enough, I get it now - also expensive charging away from home inconvenient "
Don't get me wrong.
I'd love a Panamera Turbo S Hybrid myself. 202mph, 0-60 in 2.9 seconds and 65ish mpg.
Only two problems. Nowhere to plug in at home and the small matter of not having £175k lying around in my bank account to buy one. 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂😂 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They’re too expensive for my budget.
£1500 runarounds is all I can afford to buy at any one time. Fuck financing, ain’t getting into more debt for a fancy car. |
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"the charging infrastructure is not there for electric cars. i went hybrid
Err where are you travelling that you are struggling to find chargers?
It's not all about the travel.
I live in a flat. Nowhere to charge one at home. 🤷♂️"
Me too. A woman in my block has an ev. She has a permanent charger cable handing out of a window across the car park to get to the car. She's on the ground floor so can be done but really impractical. |
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"If you run out of petrol/diesel on a trip you get the can out of the boot and carry on to a garage. You can’t keep electric in a can in the boot"
Or like i did once when stranded, paid a bloke on a moped to get petrol for you in an empty Coke bottle 😆 half the money before then the rest upon returning! |
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By *rLothbrokMan
over a year ago
Lancs/North Wales |
There aren’t many ICE cars that would now pull me away from the EV market. It’s quick and comfortable, with a fair range.
I’m going to be test driving the Seal, as I’m keeping an eye out for good deals on a new EV. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Cheeseville, Somerset |
"I accept some are fast but I'd swap the extra speed for a decent noise and manual gear box...
For me they have no soul
Cali
( as Mr does like them lol ) "
Isn't there a button in some you can push to make them go 'vroom vroom' though? 🤔😂 |
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95% of the time and electric car would be fine for me. I do less than 200 miles a week typically. Most electric cars have a range of 200+ so I'd only need to charge once a week. So it'd be great .....but. I'm going to Wales at weekend. Fully loaded with bags, tents and shit like that. Id need a full charge before I left and I'd probably get most of the way there. So I'd need a full charge and a top up to get there and back....and that's subject to finding compatible chargers that are available.....it's the longer trips where the problems arise . Because as said previously, the overall infrastructure isn't quite there.
If I was that arsed, I'd get a self charging hybrid like a Prius or corolla.
But for now, my petrol workhorse will do a treat |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"95% of the time and electric car would be fine for me. I do less than 200 miles a week typically. Most electric cars have a range of 200+ so I'd only need to charge once a week. So it'd be great .....but. I'm going to Wales at weekend. Fully loaded with bags, tents and shit like that. Id need a full charge before I left and I'd probably get most of the way there. So I'd need a full charge and a top up to get there and back....and that's subject to finding compatible chargers that are available.....it's the longer trips where the problems arise . Because as said previously, the overall infrastructure isn't quite there.
If I was that arsed, I'd get a self charging hybrid like a Prius or corolla.
But for now, my petrol workhorse will do a treat"
I think the infrastructure issues were more related to at home charging, if you are in housing with no access to an outside space charging, ie a driveway
Driving around the UK, the infrastructure is great and plentiful. I haven't had to wait/ queue for a few years. Actually some of the fast chargers at the services are done quicker than it takes to go to the loo and wait for a coffee !
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"I accept some are fast but I'd swap the extra speed for a decent noise and manual gear box...
For me they have no soul
Cali
( as Mr does like them lol )
Isn't there a button in some you can push to make them go 'vroom vroom' though? 🤔😂"
not the same lol I was so happy when alfa said that their fast cars would remain with the v6 bi turbo.. |
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EV,s are not for me at the moment, the depreciation it’s utterly insane and until battery replacements improve the better, they are also utterly terrible in cornering speed due to the massive weight of batteries. That said there is a particular stretch of road near me that is always fun for proving that when an ev pulls up thinking it’s fast. |
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"EV,s are not for me at the moment, the depreciation it’s utterly insane and until battery replacements improve the better, they are also utterly terrible in cornering speed due to the massive weight of batteries. That said there is a particular stretch of road near me that is always fun for proving that when an ev pulls up thinking it’s fast. "
as a petrol head through and through... be careful which ev you pick to test that.. some handle exceptionally well
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"EV,s are not for me at the moment, the depreciation it’s utterly insane and until battery replacements improve the better, they are also utterly terrible in cornering speed due to the massive weight of batteries. That said there is a particular stretch of road near me that is always fun for proving that when an ev pulls up thinking it’s fast. as a petrol head through and through... be careful which ev you pick to test that.. some handle exceptionally well "
I went out in my friends tycan and driving that was the most connected I've felt to an EV, actually felt like a Porsche not a RC car. Once battery tech catches up a bit and the market stabilises that might be a good one to pickup as long.
Saying that though, nothing will ever beat the sound of a supercharged V8, would never imagine selling mine. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes Departure Lounge in NN9 |
Being in lifes departure lounge I will not be buying an EV.
I will happily stick with my 6 speed,manual,proper handbrake and full size spare wheel Skoda.
And when the sun shines my Mazda Hood down MX5 will do me nicely. |
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"EV,s are not for me at the moment, the depreciation it’s utterly insane and until battery replacements improve the better, they are also utterly terrible in cornering speed due to the massive weight of batteries. That said there is a particular stretch of road near me that is always fun for proving that when an ev pulls up thinking it’s fast. as a petrol head through and through... be careful which ev you pick to test that.. some handle exceptionally well "
Not well enough ha ha. |
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If you can charge them at home they are good, if tou can't they are fucking expensive.
The acceleration is amazing, my xc40 left quite a few cars for dead up 100 mph.
Range is shit compared to a petrol or diesel car, I got 500 miles from a tank in my Duster.
I have never lost any fuel capacity when it is cold, but I lost up to 10% in winter.
Put the air con on and lose up to 40 miles in range, I never got that that with a petrol or diesel car. |
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By *ChubsMan
over a year ago
West Midlands |
Since owning an EV, I've come to.the conclusion that those who dislike them don't live with one day to day! Admittedly, my daily drive is a diesel VW Caddy van & my EV wouldn't do the miles I do per day on a full charge but when we have had to do a long journey planning and knowing where to stop for an hour to charge has been painless! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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From my experience in 20 years there where there are 20 petrol pumps left across the whole country you'll have petrol heads complaining that EV infrastructure isn't there yet and they don't have enough range for their 10 mile work commutes. |
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"Which ones have the range to get me to London and back on one charge with the stereo and air con on and phone on charge - oh and the heated seat? "
You must have an iron bladder if you’re driving all that way without stopping to use the toilet |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have an EV. I used to spend over £100 per week in fuel. Now I have free charging in work and it’s costs less than £10 to charge at home for 300 miles! No service costs. Crazy acceleration and a fun family car. What’s not to like? |
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By *aven3Man
over a year ago
Stoford |
Retired,doing less then a 150 miles a month,not worth changing.Also, driving a convertible,and a small truck,EV equivalent,not available,even if I was willing to pay the huge amount it would cost to change vehicles,and arrange charging. |
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Any real world range in miles guides from owners.
Model and range achieved regularly, ideally 350 plus needed
Looking for first ev but reading huge differences between manufacturers figures and actual real world. |
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I think the only jet due is the time it takes to recharge. It's not like you can pull up and refuel as quick as petrol or diesel engines. The power is there and they are modern styled. But they don't suit all situations. For tootling round town and commuting then yeah. |
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I miss mine and will look at getting an EV camper van once my new venture is up and running.
It's not for everyone, but I enjoyed moving like shit off of a shovel without sounding like a dick.
Recharging is just a mindset. Most people recharge at home and so you rarely have anything but a full tank.
If you are doing distance, the chances are you will be having a break somewhere on the 300 mile journey. Charge then. Multitasking innit (maybe that's why men like ICE)
Even if you don't have home charge it's all very doable. I didn't and charges at work or while at the pub or while walking the dog. You get used to spotting chargers.
I found most people who didn't like them were either purists (that's cool, I get the joy there) or couldn't quite shift their thinking and imagined it was like having a petrol car and driving to empty before refilling. |
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I found most people who didn't like them were either purists (that's cool, I get the joy there) or couldn't quite shift their thinking and imagined it was like having a petrol car and driving to empty before refilling. "
You missed a third tranche of people - the ones who use a vehicle for work for example: anyone transporting heavy payloads and/or towing trailers. EV just isn’t practical given the range reduces by 30-50% when towing |
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I’ve been driving EV’s for years now.
They don’t work for everyone and I’d only recommend them if you can charge from home. Relying on public infrastructure would get tiresome and expensive. Technology is always improving and ranges too. |
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Love my Polestar - 400BHP. The infrastructure has massively improved over the last three years. I regularly drive around the country and, yeah whilst it can get expensive using public chargers - I’m fortunate enough that all the company offices I visit have free charging |
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I went for a 1yr old hybrid car as my work commute is what the electric range is and after that im happy to use fuel the rare occasions I do travel further.
Find that my car goes quicker when it kicks into fuel mode, certainly feel the lunge forward
Do like the car but feel aggrieved I have to pay over £600 a year in tax |
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By *abioMan 19 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'm getting a new BYD seal soon. Has anyone driven EV? It's crazy fast but the one foot driving is a bit weird.
What are your views on them?"
If you have ever driven an automatic you will get use to it… best example I can give is it’s like driving a bumper car!
At the beginning your left foot and leg arm will feel twitchy because they have nothing to do, but it will feel so relaxing  |
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By *abioMan 19 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I went for a 1yr old hybrid car as my work commute is what the electric range is and after that im happy to use fuel the rare occasions I do travel further.
Find that my car goes quicker when it kicks into fuel mode, certainly feel the lunge forward
Do like the car but feel aggrieved I have to pay over £600 a year in tax "
That’s why I always now suggest to people don’t get a brand new one… get one that is 2-3 years old because of the depreciation and the road tax is £200 per year rather than £600 |
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Have any EV drivers on the thread had any trouble using car parks?
I note that EV's have been banned from the underground car park at the Houses of Parliament due to fire risk from the lithium ion batteries and other car park operators are following suit too due to increasing problems with their insurance companies regarding EV's as high risk  |
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BEVs are the wrong solution to a real problem. I'm hopeful the law makers will wake up before implementation. Synthetic petrol is completely sustainable. Hydrogen as a fuel is completely sustainable. Having Chinese children extract rare earth metals to manufacture batteries isn't. |
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I’m still not sold still very expensive to buy if you call 20k cheap wow lol
Still not sure about the re charging network either needs more Stn
Need more out there to get true costs on buying and running the cars |
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"Have any EV drivers on the thread had any trouble using car parks?
I note that EV's have been banned from the underground car park at the Houses of Parliament due to fire risk from the lithium ion batteries and other car park operators are following suit too due to increasing problems with their insurance companies regarding EV's as high risk "
as long as the hose of parliament haven't removed their own gas pumps then I'm sticking with ICE. |
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By (user no longer on site) 18 weeks ago
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Currently have an ev and love the way it drives, but lost so much value off it and due to change, so don’t know wether to stick with an ev or revert back to petrol. |
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By *ty31Man 18 weeks ago
NW London |
"No good for me
Can't have a home charger and I do about 25,000 miles a year"
My sentiments too- using public charging makes the cost not much different to filling up at the pumps plus the new road charging scheme is real killer as I use the vehicle for working across multiple locations.
I like the idea of reducing air pollution but I'm still not 100% sure about battery life span over numerous charging cycles and there's still the ethics of how the materials were mined for the batteries.
Still, less mechanical parts than a traditional ICE engine so maybe they are less hassle long term? |
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I guess the best option still depends on individual circumstances. We have home charging and don’t often need to use public chargers. We have a Tesla and we get preferential rates on the Tesla superchargers, about half the typical rate. We haven’t had to pay anything for servicing, none has been required and we’ve had it nearly three years. Battery shows no loss of range after 27k miles. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Have any EV drivers on the thread had any trouble using car parks?
I note that EV's have been banned from the underground car park at the Houses of Parliament due to fire risk from the lithium ion batteries and other car park operators are following suit too due to increasing problems with their insurance companies regarding EV's as high risk "
That actually a bit misleading…
ICE vehicles actually go up on fire more often than an EV vehicle does on a per car basis..
EV vehicles can be harder to put out and can be more poisonous |
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Best vehicle I've ever owned was a diesel capable of running on cooking oil from the supermarket.
Cheap to run and pulled any load with ease.
How I wish that keeping it had been practical.
Proper right hand drive vehicle as well, not bodged Euro spec like everything they now want us to embrace. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Always bought second hand ex fleet cars and vans from BCA and similar. Leave the Sunday morning car washers polishing pcp/ finance payments to it. "
This is exactly what I did with my Toyota Prius…. 2nd hand ex fleet after the business had gotten their tax breaks, and the biggest part of depreciation had been done with
Because lots of cars now have 7-8 years 100-120k miles warranties on car and batteries, even if you buy a, let’s say, 2-3 yr old car with 50k on it, if you are the average driver doing 10k per year or less.. you will be fine and never hit the warranty limit
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"I like the idea and the technology but being a massive petrol head I cant get over no engine noise. I still need the loud pedal "
Ah but the loud pedal is now replaced by a “fucking hell that’s quick” pedal. |
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"I'm getting a new BYD seal soon. Has anyone driven EV? It's crazy fast but the one foot driving is a bit weird.
What are your views on them?"
They are the devils work, I would rather walk than ever entertain driving one. I prefer petrol power 99 octane for life. |
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The problem is going to be when they are out of warranty the value will be virtually nothing. A new battery cost's a fortune and the old ones can not yet be disposed of. I have been around the trade a long time, I worked for Jaguar a couple of years ago and a new battery for an I Pace is £30,000. I know the local Landrover dealer has done a lot under warranty and Landrover don't want the old one's back and they have a container full of batteries they can't get rid of as no one will touch them. |
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"You'll never see a classic EV in 30-40 years time they serve a purpose but ultimately throw away goods"
You won’t see a classic version of 99.9% of cars sold in the last two decades, in 30 years time. The appeal of modern cars is the bells and whistles, practicality and convenient ergonomic designs. We don’t buy cars for the same reason that we did in the 1970s and 80s. In 30 years, they’ll be obsolete and not worth anything. When was the last car design that made people in the industry legitimately impresssed? Everything is an SUV, because that’s what most people want. |
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By *orcsmatMan 18 weeks ago
Kidderminster |
"Love mine and super powerful and cheap to run. On my 2nd one now. "
We drive annually to the south of France.
Fancy a race? My diesel MPV vs your EV?
Seriously, when we stop doing that, we'll get a small EV for shopping. |
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I still can't fathom why hydrogen fuel cells aren't the dominant "green" motive power.
In a physics lesson at secondary school we produced oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater (two thirds of the planet is covered in seawater). Use the right reaction process in the fuel cell and the waste product produced is H²O. You need far less - highly polluting - rare earth metals than a regular battery to construct such a fuel cell.
It just makes no sense to me. |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech "
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though. |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though. "
Isn't latest tech much better for the planet whether that's a more eco-and efficient home, vehicle or even low energy washing machine?
I'm looking at the Dacia duster, traditional hybrid, eight year warranty on the battery, doing the calculations, the cost over 8 years to buy this new are cheaper than renting a car, and cheaper than running & maintaining my six-year-old car. So it's a no brainer rarely latest tech is more efficient better for the planet and better for your pocket.
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"I still can't fathom why hydrogen fuel cells aren't the dominant "green" motive power.
In a physics lesson at secondary school we produced oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater (two thirds of the planet is covered in seawater). Use the right reaction process in the fuel cell and the waste product produced is H²O. You need far less - highly polluting - rare earth metals than a regular battery to construct such a fuel cell.
It just makes no sense to me."
Infra, same with other fuels like methane and butane that were patented back in the 60s and are freely available to buy the devices, I had one actually in Nigeria powering a small building! But you need infra, to make transport and manage those liquids, EV just piggyback on the national grid |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though.
Isn't latest tech much better for the planet whether that's a more eco-and efficient home, vehicle or even low energy washing machine?
I'm looking at the Dacia duster, traditional hybrid, eight year warranty on the battery, doing the calculations, the cost over 8 years to buy this new are cheaper than renting a car, and cheaper than running & maintaining my six-year-old car. So it's a no brainer rarely latest tech is more efficient better for the planet and better for your pocket.
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Definitely NOT better for the planet look at all the rare minerals they use to produce batteries.
The long term wear to roads is far greater than ICE vehicles.
The solution caused when a battery pack overheats and sets fire to the car.
Road fund licences are starting to rise and soon there will be a mileage charge, Rachael from accounts will have to replace the fuel duty thats starting to be lost.
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EV would be absolutely no use to me.
I'll stick stick to my 2 diesel guzzlers and the little petrol princess. If im feeling eco friendly, I'll borrow a horse 😂
Also people knocking finance, its actually a really clever idea. Bought my current car new, financed 40% of it on 2.9% over 4 years, I could have paid it all cash. However it had problems and the dealership were adimit it wasnt covered under warranty. Got in touch with finance company and its amazing what happens when a lawyer from the bank wants to protect their assets... magically my car was replaced under warranty with a brand new car, within 6 weeks of calling finance company. |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though.
Isn't latest tech much better for the planet whether that's a more eco-and efficient home, vehicle or even low energy washing machine?
I'm looking at the Dacia duster, traditional hybrid, eight year warranty on the battery, doing the calculations, the cost over 8 years to buy this new are cheaper than renting a car, and cheaper than running & maintaining my six-year-old car. So it's a no brainer rarely latest tech is more efficient better for the planet and better for your pocket.
Definitely NOT better for the planet look at all the rare minerals they use to produce batteries.
The long term wear to roads is far greater than ICE vehicles.
The solution caused when a battery pack overheats and sets fire to the car.
Road fund licences are starting to rise and soon there will be a mileage charge, Rachael from accounts will have to replace the fuel duty thats starting to be lost.
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You should do some proper research on this; zero CO₂ or air pollutants when driving, Even with battery production , most studies show EVs have lower emissions over their lifetime even in coal heavy grid areas and bypass the whole diesel/petrol supply chain - extraction-refining-transportation, not to mention clean air in cities. You would need to heavily biased to belive EVs are not a better solution all round |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though.
Isn't latest tech much better for the planet whether that's a more eco-and efficient home, vehicle or even low energy washing machine?
I'm looking at the Dacia duster, traditional hybrid, eight year warranty on the battery, doing the calculations, the cost over 8 years to buy this new are cheaper than renting a car, and cheaper than running & maintaining my six-year-old car. So it's a no brainer rarely latest tech is more efficient better for the planet and better for your pocket.
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Renting a car is always more expensive. That’s a no brainer. No, new tech with planned obsolescence and no right to repair is not good for the planet no matter who spins the narrative. It may be cheaper than your six year old car in the short term. You should do what you think best for you and I’m sure you will. |
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"I switched to EV a few months ago. Definitely not a car that could last years but do love the tech. In a way, it will force me to upgrade more often and get more out of new tech
That’s the thing though isn’t it? Force me to upgrade = costs you more money and a disposable vehicle is not good for the planet.
They are fast though.
Isn't latest tech much better for the planet whether that's a more eco-and efficient home, vehicle or even low energy washing machine?
I'm looking at the Dacia duster, traditional hybrid, eight year warranty on the battery, doing the calculations, the cost over 8 years to buy this new are cheaper than renting a car, and cheaper than running & maintaining my six-year-old car. So it's a no brainer rarely latest tech is more efficient better for the planet and better for your pocket.
Definitely NOT better for the planet look at all the rare minerals they use to produce batteries.
The long term wear to roads is far greater than ICE vehicles.
The solution caused when a battery pack overheats and sets fire to the car.
Road fund licences are starting to rise and soon there will be a mileage charge, Rachael from accounts will have to replace the fuel duty thats starting to be lost.
You should do some proper research on this; zero CO₂ or air pollutants when driving, Even with battery production , most studies show EVs have lower emissions over their lifetime even in coal heavy grid areas and bypass the whole diesel/petrol supply chain - extraction-refining-transportation, not to mention clean air in cities. You would need to heavily biased to belive EVs are not a better solution all round "
I think that they make perfect city cars where short trips are regular.
I don’t think that they are the better solution all round though.
I regularly drive long road trips and they just aren’t suitable for that. |
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I'm surprised that more people don't want petrol powered washing machines. The noise they could make would be music to some ears, judging by some posts in this thread..
Luckily, petrol powered lawn mowers are still widely available for those wh don't want a quiet life! |
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"I'm surprised that more people don't want petrol powered washing machines. The noise they could make would be music to some ears, judging by some posts in this thread..
Luckily, petrol powered lawn mowers are still widely available for those wh don't want a quiet life!"
Is a v8 version available..😂 |
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"Not the slightest bit interested in EV. I’ve got two diesel vans and my car is a 4.6ltr V8.
The day I’m forced to drive an EV is the day I hand my license in 😂"
Genuinely why?
I love engines and petrol powered cars, adore the noise and recently changed a car to have more of an analog experience (webers and points). Love driving and spend my summer touring with my mates in our petrol powered toys.
But for a daily driver my EV is the best car I have ever owned. Mainly because daily driving involves getting stuck in traffic jams, boring motorway miles and stress from work / life, and in these situations a car that is quite, comfortable and isolates the world is perfect.
I agree no one should be forced but it will eventually happen. When I grew up it was always said petrol will run out before I stopped driving. But what makes a vehicle move shouldn’t result in not wanting to move in the first place. A similar argument was had back in the 80s with diesel and petrol.
For reference I got my first EV because modern cars are boring, fast yes, but boring. I wanted to learn something and have a change from the same old things. What I learned is EV are perfect for A to B daily boring drives, and toys are perfect for all other occasions. |
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"Not the slightest bit interested in EV. I’ve got two diesel vans and my car is a 4.6ltr V8.
The day I’m forced to drive an EV is the day I hand my license in 😂"
I don't think you need to worry yet, the powers that be are already backtracking on the cutoff dates for banning the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles so I don't think anyone's going to be forced to drive EV's if they don't want to.
You can also use HVO diesel in your vans which is significantly less polluting than standard diesel |
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By *ndisMan 18 weeks ago
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Mine works for me, love it! Can charge in work for a nominal monthly fee, the only downside is this new tax coming in 2028. 3p a mile for electric and 1.5p a mile for hybrid. But of a pain sewing as they want us to go ev. |
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"Don't touch them !
Wise words, they’re shocking……"
But watt is the solution? And why so much resistance? People are overloading their circuits and are blowing their fuse over these cars!
There’s so much positive current regarding these, but on the negative side we are all getting Flemings left hand rule confused with our right.
Sooner or later the positives and negative alternating views will be rectified into a nice easy to manage path of least resistance all flowing in one direction.
For those that know, know… lol |
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"Don't touch them !
Wise words, they’re shocking……
But watt is the solution? And why so much resistance? People are overloading their circuits and are blowing their fuse over these cars!
There’s so much positive current regarding these, but on the negative side we are all getting Flemings left hand rule confused with our right.
Sooner or later the positives and negative alternating views will be rectified into a nice easy to manage path of least resistance all flowing in one direction.
For those that know, know… lol"
Shocking! I see watt you did there but it seems you have a fairly neutral view. |
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EV,s are a knee jerk reaction and a flawed cure to climate change...What happens when all you ev owners plug in at night and go to sleep with a clear concience about saving the planet....YOU ARE NOT
When you plug in the power stations go into overdrive and belch out thousands of tons more co2 into the sky......all you ev owners are doing in moving the point of polution...THINK before you buy... |
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"EV,s are a knee jerk reaction and a flawed cure to climate change...What happens when all you ev owners plug in at night and go to sleep with a clear concience about saving the planet....YOU ARE NOT
When you plug in the power stations go into overdrive and belch out thousands of tons more co2 into the sky......all you ev owners are doing in moving the point of polution...THINK before you buy..."
part of the thinking is that a central source of CO2 etc can be better managed. As well as other toxins. Plus, if we move to other green fuels that would help. ICE spunks it's toxins out wherever.
But as with many initiatives, intent matters. If there are greener iterations then brilliant. People will move. Knowing people will move gives the incentive to invest. |
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Although the full costs are very low in every other aspect they are incredibly expensive. And it's going to get worse with millage charging. High insurance,terrible depreciation,expensive tyres and constant hassle of range anxiety etc. They'll get there one day but im not ready to switch yet. |
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"Although the full costs are very low in every other aspect they are incredibly expensive. And it's going to get worse with millage charging. High insurance,terrible depreciation,expensive tyres and constant hassle of range anxiety etc. They'll get there one day but im not ready to switch yet. "
tbh I've had more anxiety having gone back to ICE than with an EV. And that was without an at home charger. Pretty much all can "our range" a sensible amount of driving. If I'm driving 270 mikes (about 4 hours of driving), I'm stopping at least once for a break. My old EV had a greater range than my bladder !!
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"Although the full costs are very low in every other aspect they are incredibly expensive. And it's going to get worse with millage charging. High insurance,terrible depreciation,expensive tyres and constant hassle of range anxiety etc. They'll get there one day but im not ready to switch yet. "
Depreciation is terrible on most things, my petrol car has lost half of its value in 2 years. |
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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago
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IMO I’d avoid EV’s over the next 5ish years until the new solid state batteries are implemented as standard across the automotive world as it will make all the current EVs beyond obsolete (mileage wise) I’d much rather go with a hybrid best of both worlds! and you don’t need a BS dealership that charges over the odds to fix them (usually) However the appeal is very much there as they’re cheap as chips to run! Just throwing my large 2p in haha! |
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By *aked beachMan 15 weeks ago
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I’m going to change my car this year, I have a couple of EV on the possibles list. Not totally convinced, the range isn’t so much of an issue as I don’t do many long journeys, my reservations are that if I do, the charging network isn’t anything like the choice for ice cars, plus I occasionally decide at 7pm on a Friday to book a hotel, chuck the golf clubs in the car and go off for a round of golf. Easily done in my old diesel Jag, even if it’s empty. The time it takes to charge an EV wouldn’t work if it was on empty. |
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By *ddie1966Man 15 weeks ago
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If I was only travelling around town and into London, I'd get an EV....
Who am I kidding.. I'd have to move house first, to one with a driveway so I could charge overnight.
PHEV.... had a Mitsubishi outlander. Great car but expensive servicing.
Due to long single journey mileage, I now drive a 2 litre turbo diesel auto (Ford Kuga AWD).
It suits my needs perfectly can tow without problems, 400 mile journey in a day, no problem, comfortable .
Had a tesla for a week. If I want to go fast, I ride my bike and smile all the time I'm on it. |
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From wbat i,ve read in the motoring press zer germans are ditching ev and throwing mega money at diesel again developing super clean engines
And with more and more motor sports useing synthetic fuel(developed by zer germans in the second world war)
I think the ev will die the death and only be used in citys which is the only place where there is sufficient charge points anyway. |
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I've started hearing about 'Mild hybrids'.
Sounds like a recipe for more to go wrong with no real advantages and with the added complication/expense of a 48V electrical system.
Mugs are born every minute for the benefit of the motor industry, it would seem.
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
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"I’ll stick with my trusted skids diesel for the time being , £20 year road tax , 64 mpg cheap insurance "
Got some bad news for you…
A) if you are paying 20 quid for your road tax now, the next one will be 195 pounds
B) even at 64 mpg.. with diesel being £1.90 per litre, your 64 miles comes at a cost of £8.64 |
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"I’ll stick with my trusted skids diesel for the time being , £20 year road tax , 64 mpg cheap insurance
Got some bad news for you…
A) if you are paying 20 quid for your road tax now, the next one will be 195 pounds
B) even at 64 mpg.. with diesel being £1.90 per litre, your 64 miles comes at a cost of £8.64"
WRONG |
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Hate them, will never ever own one. Have you seen how lithium is mined? Resale value is shite as nobody wants second hand EV's, cost of replacement battries is ridiculas, not enough chargers, nothing wrong with a diesel engine with SCR/DPF, what comes out the exhaust is as clean as what goes in. |
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"I’ll stick with my trusted skids diesel for the time being , £20 year road tax , 64 mpg cheap insurance
Got some bad news for you…
A) if you are paying 20 quid for your road tax now, the next one will be 195 pounds
B) even at 64 mpg.. with diesel being £1.90 per litre, your 64 miles comes at a cost of £8.64
WRONG"
I have it as a company car. The saving on taxable benefit is insane and never had issues with charging or range. Also saving 130 a month on fuel relating to my personal milage..also overnight tariff means I can run my home Aircon at 20% of the price |
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