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By *olo180 OP Man 7 weeks ago
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There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
See so many these days raging from kids to adjusts.
Why oh why do they think it’s ok to cycle on the road like this?! |
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Based on what?
If they’re breaking the law by cycling at night without front and rear lights and reflectors, they’re negligent.
As long as you weren’t speeding etc. and it was unreasonable to see the cyclist (e.g. poorly lit road) you’d be unlikely to be found culpable. Even if you were doing something that took away some of your full attention and ability to react to the conditions of the road, the cyclist would still almost certainly be held partially culpable. |
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
See so many these days raging from kids to adjusts.
Why oh why do they think it’s ok to cycle on the road like this?! "
My friends passed one on the motorway last week (food delivery rider on an e-bike) |
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By *lakeyMan 7 weeks ago
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As a keen biker myself don’t call myself a cyclist as I ride different bikes most of the time.
I find it hard to call just people who are on bikes with no helmets or lights on actual cyclists imo they are just people on bikes I always wear bright clothes no matter when I’m riding so I can be seen
People who wear black and riding in the dark with no lights are on a hiding to nothing imo |
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By *olo180 OP Man 7 weeks ago
West London |
"Based on what?
If they’re breaking the law by cycling at night without front and rear lights and reflectors, they’re negligent.
As long as you weren’t speeding etc. and it was unreasonable to see the cyclist (e.g. poorly lit road) you’d be unlikely to be found culpable. Even if you were doing something that took away some of your full attention and ability to react to the conditions of the road, the cyclist would still almost certainly be held partially culpable. "
I’d still have to live with it if I killed or seriously hurt someone tho |
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"Based on what?
If they’re breaking the law by cycling at night without front and rear lights and reflectors, they’re negligent.
As long as you weren’t speeding etc. and it was unreasonable to see the cyclist (e.g. poorly lit road) you’d be unlikely to be found culpable. Even if you were doing something that took away some of your full attention and ability to react to the conditions of the road, the cyclist would still almost certainly be held partially culpable.
I’d still have to live with it if I killed or seriously hurt someone tho "
You would I agree and I think my response clearly recognises that some cyclists cycle dangerously and are a pain in the arse. |
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By *olo180 OP Man 7 weeks ago
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"Would you really class them as cyclists?? "
To me someone riding a bike is cycling therefore a cyclist…they are not pedestrians or motorists.
It’s not about the label, it’s about the amount of people on bikes not giving a shit if they are visible or not |
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
To me someone riding a bike is cycling therefore a cyclist…they are not pedestrians or motorists.
It’s not about the label, it’s about the amount of people on bikes not giving a shit if they are visible or not "
‘‘Tis true,
It’s like blaming all the motorists for the reckless ones who jump red lights and are always on their phones and don’t bother with insurance.
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
To me someone riding a bike is cycling therefore a cyclist…they are not pedestrians or motorists."
As I see it a cyclist is someone riding a bicycle; i.e. they generally have to pedal (cycle) it to propel it. This is also true of legal electric bikes as they are power assisted; i.e. the motor - which can't be more powerful than 250W - must cut out at 15.5mph.
Anything electric that doesn't meet those requirements is classed as a motorbike and therefore requires a suitable licence, helmet, insurance, MOT, tax etc. The only exceptions are those idiotic local authority-run "e-scooter" schemes which allow someone to hire one of the scooters with a valid driving licence. |
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"Pet peeve is the weekend cyclists who come in pairs or triplets and seem to think it's perfectly ok to not be in single file and hog the whole lane"
You mean cycling as the police recommend because it's safer and shortens the amount of time the car has to be in the oncoming lane? |
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"Pet peeve is the weekend cyclists who come in pairs or triplets and seem to think it's perfectly ok to not be in single file and hog the whole lane
You mean cycling as the police recommend because it's safer and shortens the amount of time the car has to be in the oncoming lane?"
Absolutely this.. 
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By *loydyMan 7 weeks ago
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
See so many these days raging from kids to adjusts.
Why oh why do they think it’s ok to cycle on the road like this?! "
probably saving battery life |
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I pass a guy a couple of mornings a week walking along a narrow country road in complete darkness and dressed from head to toe in black.
I've met him at different spots along that road including some blind corners but at least I know now to look out for him.
Other drivers may not be aware and I'm amazed he hasn't been killed.
The limit along there is 50 and most obey that but he can't be seen until my headlights pick him up.
I don't care if he is breaking the law but if I hit him I have to live with that knowledge.
The same goes for a number of cyclists I've passed with no lights either. |
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there are a whole bunch of the self entitled idiots with videos on the very popular normal video sharing site "you" know the one.
basically they film themselves breaking every highway code rule to blame a car driver and claim they had the driver prosecuted. their defence is the hierachy of road users. showing ignorance of what it says.
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
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As long as you hadn’t done anything wrong then you wouldn’t have been punished - if he was still alive he would be.
The new Highway Code is _very_ clear on the need for cyclists to be visible - if they are not then the law is making them liable for accidents. A good lawyer would get you off. |
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
its straight forward illegal to ride with out the lights.
As long as you hadn’t done anything wrong then you wouldn’t have been punished - if he was still alive he would be.
The new Highway Code is _very_ clear on the need for cyclists to be visible - if they are not then the law is making them liable for accidents. A good lawyer would get you off."
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Likelihood is they'll take their side from the get go .. some idiots about. I was out on a country road a few months ago. Approaching this cyclist warily as I always do as lets face it they own the road. He suddenly leaned over and was trying to wipe his left hand in the grass, AS HE WAS STILL RIDING ALONG, must have been eating something sticky, suddenly lost balance as he tried to get back up, and went arse over tit over bike, and it was all I could do to stop in time. I wound my window down fuming, but politely informed him how stupid he'd been. he was very apologetic which of course made everything fine. Bless him |
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished!
See so many these days raging from kids to adjusts.
Why oh why do they think it’s ok to cycle on the road like this?! "
That would depend on who had right of way and if you had a chance to see him. Remember he was breaking the law, not displaying lights. I have a camera which records what i see. |
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"There seems to be a growing trend of cyclists riding at night with no lights whatsoever. Nearly just ran over a fast food biker who was dressed in all black, on a black electric bike with zero lights or reflectors. Yet If I’d have hit him, I’d be the one who would be punished! "
Couldn’t you just eat him? |
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
What else would you class someone that’s riding a bicycle?"
I guess it comes down to your definition
The definition for a bicycle is 'a vehicle consisting of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.'
The example given by the OP is an e-bike ... In this instance I struggle to tar them with the broad cyclist brush.
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I'm a driver and a cyclist.
From my point of view the cyclist isn't the danger, the driver of the car is.
In a collision of bicycle and a car regardless of fault, who do you think is in danger?
If as a driver you obey the rules of traffic you have nothing to worry about in majority of cases.
As a cyclist if you obey the rules of traffic you still have to worry about overtaking cars that are stopped on the side of the road because the driver behind might not give you the space. |
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"Cant even be done for pedalling furiously any more can they LOL as they don't need to pedal to go very fast."
Hacked e-bikes come with a string of fines/penalties and it can be confiscated and crushed.
The rules are something like pedal-assist only, max assist speed of 15.5mph and max 250W motor.
The grey import jobbers are electric motorbikes with throttle control, couple of kW motor and no restrictions.
Those are generally the ones with the entire frame triangle taped up because it’s full of battery. |
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
No, they’re twats on bikes.
This I can get behind! "
As a cyclist, I agree.
These aren’t cyclists.
They are twats.
If they aren’t helping you to see them, then clearly they don’t care if you hit them.
If you hit them, take a picture of what they are wearing and a picture of their bike. Get their details and insurance will pay up and the police will absolutely support you.
If you have a dash cam aswell, even better. |
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most cyclists down here are dickheads and very unaware of surroundings .. I see old people falling off their bikes/riding into things , going through lights , cutting people up pretty much daily ...
bognor / pagham is like the Wild West for these nutters  |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
What else would you class someone that’s riding a bicycle?
I guess it comes down to your definition
The definition for a bicycle is 'a vehicle consisting of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.'
The example given by the OP is an e-bike ... In this instance I struggle to tar them with the broad cyclist brush.
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E bikes are still pedal bikes there just electrically assisted that’s why they still get classed as bicycles and not motorcycles sure there’s a massive difference between a twat and someone doing things responsibly but a cyclist is a cyclist same as a twat in a car is a motorist |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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I got home last night to find a crowd outside my house a lad had come off his electric bike
I dashed into crowd with people asking am I a doctor?
My answer was "no that's my pizza" !!! |
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
What else would you class someone that’s riding a bicycle?
I guess it comes down to your definition
The definition for a bicycle is 'a vehicle consisting of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.'
The example given by the OP is an e-bike ... In this instance I struggle to tar them with the broad cyclist brush.
E bikes are still pedal bikes there just electrically assisted that’s why they still get classed as bicycles and not motorcycles sure there’s a massive difference between a twat and someone doing things responsibly but a cyclist is a cyclist same as a twat in a car is a motorist "
There is no pedalling on the ones in my city 
I am assuming they are illegally modified
Twats all around us  |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"As someone who cycles most days, I find these 'bad' cyclists just as annoying as you motorists do. They give us all a bad name. "
there’s idiots in every walk of life mate but that idiot within that group of people doesn’t make the full group idiots. I cycle not everyday I’m more of a fair weather cyclist on country cycling routes but when I’m out cycling I’m still a cyclist
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Self entitled most of them. They don't give 2 fucks who else is on the roads. I'm a lorry driver and I see it all over the country from country lanes to towns centers and city centres all times of the day and night. |
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"Self entitled most of them. They don't give 2 fucks who else is on the roads. I'm a lorry driver and I see it all over the country from country lanes to towns centers and city centres all times of the day and night. "
Off you fuck then, back to some lay-by to throw litter and bottles of piss at each other after you’ve finished holding everyone up on motorways trying to pass each other but taking 15 miles to do it.
There are cunts on every mode of transport. |
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By *batMan 7 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"Off you fuck then, back to some lay-by to throw litter and bottles of piss at each other after you’ve finished holding everyone up on motorways trying to pass each other but taking 15 miles to do it.
There are cunts on every mode of transport."
Hah! Nicely observed!
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"Self entitled most of them. They don't give 2 fucks who else is on the roads. I'm a lorry driver and I see it all over the country from country lanes to towns centers and city centres all times of the day and night.
Off you fuck then, back to some lay-by to throw litter and bottles of piss at each other after you’ve finished holding everyone up on motorways trying to pass each other but taking 15 miles to do it.
There are cunts on every mode of transport."
Well most motorways have 3 or 4 lanes so try using the outside lane to pass us cutie pie |
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its buy a dash cam that goes around the vehicle nowadays.
it proves non fault and also saves any claim on your insurance.
if there dumb enough not to be seen its there own problem and the dash cam proves this.
if they work for a company then you have a right to claim off there companys insurance for loss of earnings, stress, if youve hit a cyclist you will suffer some sort of of stress.
its also the same with pedestrians too careless nowadays head stuck in there phones and not watching where they are going.
all you need to do is prove non fault and the dashcam shows this |
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"Would you really class them as cyclists??
What else would you class someone that’s riding a bicycle?
I guess it comes down to your definition
The definition for a bicycle is 'a vehicle consisting of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.'
The example given by the OP is an e-bike ... In this instance I struggle to tar them with the broad cyclist brush.
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the legal definition of a cycle is
bicycle” means a two-wheeled vehicle that is propelled solely by the muscular energy of the person on that vehicle by means of pedals and has not been constructed or adapted for propulsion by mechanical power.
an eletric cycle is defined as (electrically assisted pedal cycle)
When your bike is an EAPC
An EAPC:
must have pedals that can be used to propel it
can have more than 2 wheels, for example a tricycle
It can be propelled up to 15.5mph without pedalling but only if it’s been approved.
Its electric motor:
must have a ‘continuous rated power’ output of no more than 250 watts
must not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling at more than 15.5 miles per hour (mph)
they become an electric motorcycle
Your bike is not an EAPC if it:
can be propelled at more than 15.5 miles per hour (mph) by the motor
has a continuous rated power output higher than 250 watts
does not have pedals that can propel it
as such they must be registered, taxed and wear a motorcycle helmet |
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"Self entitled most of them. They don't give 2 fucks who else is on the roads. I'm a lorry driver and I see it all over the country from country lanes to towns centers and city centres all times of the day and night.
Off you fuck then, back to some lay-by to throw litter and bottles of piss at each other after you’ve finished holding everyone up on motorways trying to pass each other but taking 15 miles to do it.
There are cunts on every mode of transport.
Well most motorways have 3 or 4 lanes so try using the outside lane to pass us cutie pie "
you are all supposed to use the left lane. any other lanes are for overtaking only. you then move back to the left.
that is why it is now a specific offence not to do so. |
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By *batMan 7 weeks ago
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"The police don't seem to be bothered about even giving a word of advice where appropriate..."
In fairness to the police, they are too under resourced to deal with some crimes let alone hand out advice to literally tens of thousands of people everyday. And in any event, I don't think many people appreciate words of advice from the police so usually a wasted effort.
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"The police don't seem to be bothered about even giving a word of advice where appropriate...
In fairness to the police, they are too under resourced to deal with some crimes let alone hand out advice to literally tens of thousands of people everyday. And in any event, I don't think many people appreciate words of advice from the police so usually a wasted effort.
Gbat "
Yeah, you're right... To busy on DEI courses and chasing criminals for hurty words and offending someone's teddy bear!! Dont get me started on some cyclists... However I will say this... The world would be a much better place if you could smack someone in the mouth once in a while...not beat them up,just make that ONE really count!🤣 |
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"Look both ways at one way streets before crossing. I did and a cyclist past me going the 'wrong' way!"
There are quite a few one way streets in Cheltenham with a cycle lane going the other direction. It’s a mad design when pedestrians don’t know about them - seen quite a few near misses. |
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By *batMan 7 weeks ago
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"Yeah, you're right... To busy on DEI courses "
What do you mean by that? Don't you think that policing is enhanced by Diversity, Equity and Inclusion? (I bet you'd have never used that phrase normally. It's very U.S. and in vogue at the mo).
A lack of diversity in policing is like having a huge toolkit but every tool is a phillips screwdriver. You do in fact need a diverse range of tools for a good tool kit.
" and chasing criminals for hurty words and offending someone's teddy bear!! "
They only respond "hurty words" and "teddy offending" when people complain about it, and boy do they complain about it. They'd much rather be dealing with some oaf who thinks it's a good idea to smack someone in the mouth when they don't get their way.
And don't get me started on some ranting gammons. However, I will say this, they are easy to spot.
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By *batMan 7 weeks ago
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"The difference between a driver and a cyclist is that one is taxed for using the road and the other behaves as though they own it."
Come on Colin, you know that's unfair.
First off, many cyclists might pay as much or more Vehicle Excise Duty as you do. Perhaps they own the road less, as much or more than you do?
Secondly, it's tax! It's not the cyclists fault that you've got to pay it. And of course you know it doesn't go toward the upkeep of the roads, it's just a tax.
Have you tried mindfulness? It'll help you to keep calm when a cyclist makes you 37 seconds late for an appointment.
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By *ornLordMan 7 weeks ago
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"The difference between a driver and a cyclist is that one is taxed for using the road and the other behaves as though they own it.
Come on Colin, you know that's unfair.
First off, many cyclists might pay as much or more Vehicle Excise Duty as you do. Perhaps they own the road less, as much or more than you do?
Secondly, it's tax! It's not the cyclists fault that you've got to pay it. And of course you know it doesn't go toward the upkeep of the roads, it's just a tax.
Have you tried mindfulness? It'll help you to keep calm when a cyclist makes you 37 seconds late for an appointment.
Gbat "
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